Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

The Juggler

Biden

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

2020 is not 2016.

nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 

It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 

Lol, I know right?! 

It's like people think Trump is the one polling at 50% and not in the mid to low 40's...

Gern Blansten

Biden

yeah it sticks to the degree that tRump has consistently trailed Biden by 7-8%....that's good enough

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

2020 is not 2016.

nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 

It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 

he is still polling at about the same numbers as hillary was in 2016, who most of us thought was going to win, after everything that's come out about him. i'd say he's pretty teflon. 

The Juggler

Biden

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Bloomby dear savior ought to buy 40 million of those and airdrop them at night in all those red districts. Let people find them on their dog walks and getting into their trucks in the morning. Might move the needle by a vote.

Unfortunately, this is a positive to his voters. To them, it shows that he is a smart business man who knows how to avoid over taxation. They think by having him as president he will share his good fortunes and help them avoid taxes as well. Many Trump supporters are in favor of payments off the record so the government doesn't get a hold of their money. I've had first hand interactions with these people. While I agree, taxes should be commensurate upon your wealth, I don't think paying nothing is a good thing either.

Not so fast. Here's the rub: that argument could and did, to an extent, work for him in 2016. In 2016 he blatantly admitted to gaming the system and his supporters thought he was a genius. At the same time he was telling us he was gaming the system, he used that as his outsider pitch and would say "who better than me to fix it?" Right? He knew how to game the system so he knows better than anyone else how to fix it. But he didn't. 

So here we are four years later and not only did he not fix the system, he rigged it further into his favor with that unnecessary tax cut for predominantly wealthy folks and corporations.

Biden's gotta hammer him on this relentlessly tonight. It's more of a winning issue for dems moreso now than it was when he was the outsider four years ago. Of course 40% of his supporters will never desert him, but those precious few undecideds are the pot of gold who Biden needs to lock this up. 

OnWis97

Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

2020 is not 2016.

nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 

It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 

he is still polling at about the same numbers as hillary was in 2016, who most of us thought was going to win, after everything that's come out about him. i'd say he's pretty teflon. 

Some of that...combined with all the cultish stuff that leads people to be dedicated to him under any imaginable circumstances.  Throw in a little "I'll never admit I was wrong."

I guess you could call him teflon but I think the teflon is sort of created by some other things.

The Juggler

Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

2020 is not 2016.

nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 

It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 

he is still polling at about the same numbers as hillary was in 2016, who most of us thought was going to win, after everything that's come out about him. i'd say he's pretty teflon. 

But Biden is polling about 5% higher than Hillary. That's a huge difference. 

You could argue that Biden is more teflon considering the sheer amount of garbage the Trump campaign has thrown at him and he's still sitting at 50% while Trump's floundering in the low 40's....

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

2020 is not 2016.

nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 

It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 

he is still polling at about the same numbers as hillary was in 2016, who most of us thought was going to win, after everything that's come out about him. i'd say he's pretty teflon. 

But Biden is polling about 5% higher than Hillary. That's a huge difference. 

You could argue that Biden is more teflon considering the sheer amount of garbage the Trump campaign has thrown at him and he's still sitting at 50% while Trump's floundering in the low 40's....

anyone other than trump would be polling in the low 30's with everything that has come out over the last 5 years. actually, they probably would have been primaried. 

Halifax2TheMax

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

2020 is not 2016.

nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 

It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 

he is still polling at about the same numbers as hillary was in 2016, who most of us thought was going to win, after everything that's come out about him. i'd say he's pretty teflon. 

But Biden is polling about 5% higher than Hillary. That's a huge difference. 

You could argue that Biden is more teflon considering the sheer amount of garbage the Trump campaign has thrown at him and he's still sitting at 50% while Trump's floundering in the low 40's....

Can’t spell Teflon without felon.

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

what's the over/under on the date that Bill Barr will announce the DOJ is investigating Biden? I'm thinking October 26 or so. 

The Juggler

Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

2020 is not 2016.

nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 

It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 

he is still polling at about the same numbers as hillary was in 2016, who most of us thought was going to win, after everything that's come out about him. i'd say he's pretty teflon. 

But Biden is polling about 5% higher than Hillary. That's a huge difference. 

You could argue that Biden is more teflon considering the sheer amount of garbage the Trump campaign has thrown at him and he's still sitting at 50% while Trump's floundering in the low 40's....

anyone other than trump would be polling in the low 30's with everything that has come out over the last 5 years. actually, they probably would have been primaried. 

What's your point? We know that. Doesn't change the fact that he's still in the low 40's while  his opponent is at 50% despite being smeared by Trump's campaign for about a year now. 

The Juggler

Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

what's the over/under on the date that Bill Barr will announce the DOJ is investigating Biden? I'm thinking October 26 or so. 

Considering there are reports that the Durham report is pushed back till after the election, I'd take the over. 

mrussel1

Biden

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what's the over/under on the date that Bill Barr will announce the DOJ is investigating Biden? I'm thinking October 26 or so. 

Considering there are reports that the Durham report is pushed back till after the election, I'd take the over. 

They'll find something to announce to attempt to drive a news cycle.  I think most people are fairly numb to the theatrics though.

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

2020 is not 2016.

nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 

It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 

he is still polling at about the same numbers as hillary was in 2016, who most of us thought was going to win, after everything that's come out about him. i'd say he's pretty teflon. 

But Biden is polling about 5% higher than Hillary. That's a huge difference. 

You could argue that Biden is more teflon considering the sheer amount of garbage the Trump campaign has thrown at him and he's still sitting at 50% while Trump's floundering in the low 40's....

anyone other than trump would be polling in the low 30's with everything that has come out over the last 5 years. actually, they probably would have been primaried. 

What's your point? We know that. Doesn't change the fact that he's still in the low 40's while  his opponent is at 50% despite being smeared by Trump's campaign for about a year now. 

My point is you said this: Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined

my response was directly to that point, that you seem to be forgetting that nothing sticks to trump. yeah, he's got skeletons. most of them are out of the closet already and it hasn't mattered one bit. even after being elected he's never polled at 50%. yeah, he's polling lower than biden, but i'm saying any other candidate would be polling much lower than he is. i think these poll numbers are more of a reflection of the covid response than anything to do with him personally. 

i think we all know it's not 2016, but some here seem to think this is all done. there's just over a month to go. a lot can still happen. and probably will. 

The Juggler

Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

2020 is not 2016.

nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 

It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 

he is still polling at about the same numbers as hillary was in 2016, who most of us thought was going to win, after everything that's come out about him. i'd say he's pretty teflon. 

But Biden is polling about 5% higher than Hillary. That's a huge difference. 

You could argue that Biden is more teflon considering the sheer amount of garbage the Trump campaign has thrown at him and he's still sitting at 50% while Trump's floundering in the low 40's....

anyone other than trump would be polling in the low 30's with everything that has come out over the last 5 years. actually, they probably would have been primaried. 

What's your point? We know that. Doesn't change the fact that he's still in the low 40's while  his opponent is at 50% despite being smeared by Trump's campaign for about a year now. 

My point is you said this: Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined

my response was directly to that point, that you seem to be forgetting that nothing sticks to trump. yeah, he's got skeletons. most of them are out of the closet already and it hasn't mattered one bit. even after being elected he's never polled at 50%. yeah, he's polling lower than biden, but i'm saying any other candidate would be polling much lower than he is. i think these poll numbers are more of a reflection of the covid response than anything to do with him personally. 

i think we all know it's not 2016, but some here seem to think this is all done. there's just over a month to go. a lot can still happen. and probably will. 

They do matter though. They’re helping to keep him polling in the low 40’s. Meaning he’s not been capable of expanding his base. 

And again, for all the nonsense thrown at Biden, he’s at 50%. Perhaps he fends off this stuff better. 

Nobody thinks the election is over. That’s ridiculous 

dignin

Great thread.

https://twitter.com/DanAlexander21/status/1310342791336284160?s=20

That's a lot of debt.

The Juggler

Biden

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what's the over/under on the date that Bill Barr will announce the DOJ is investigating Biden? I'm thinking October 26 or so. 

Considering there are reports that the Durham report is pushed back till after the election, I'd take the over. 

They'll find something to announce to attempt to drive a news cycle.  I think most people are fairly numb to the theatrics though.

For sure. I think it’s noteworthy that Maria Bartilaroma (or whatever her name is) was the one who first reported it though. 

OnWis97

Biden

With Covid, people are voting now.  I plan to do so this week.  I wonder whether the "October surprise" factor is not going to be as big of a thing for that reason.  Comey opening up the email investigation last time was enormous.  But I don't know whether that can be matched.

mickeyrat

Biden

https://apnews.com/a745b2e59de2c85e8bcffce3f8466eeb

on taxes, lies, and subterfuge

The Juggler

Biden

Wonder if this has something to do with Parscale's suicide attempt?  This article was from over the summer but maybe another big shoe is about to drop?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/07/28/non-partisan-watchdog-accuses-trump-campaign-of-laundering-170-million/#71c935c61283

Non-Partisan Watchdog Accuses Trump Campaign Of ‘Laundering’ $170 Million

The Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan campaign finance watchdog group, filed a complaint with the Federal Elections Commission Tuesday accusing the Trump campaign of “laundering” $170 million through numerous companies, some with connections to former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale.

LEXINGTON, KY - NOVEMBER 04: Brad Parscale, campaign manager for U.S. President Donald Trump, ... [+] GETTY IMAGES

KEY FACTS

“The Trump campaign and Trump Make America Great Again Committee disguised nearly $170 million of campaign spending by laundering the funds through firms,” the complaint claims.

It adds that the firms are “headed by Trump’s recent campaign manager, Brad Parscale, and/or created by Trump campaign lawyers.”

The complaint alleges that the Trump campaign paid millions of dollars to campaign-connected vendors without reporting those payments to the FEC, specifically honing in on American Made Media Consultants (AMMC), a firm created by Parscale, which has been paid over $106 million, making it the campaigns largest vendor.

AMMC was ostensibly created to circumvent media buyers, but the complaint points to FCC records that show the campaign has used media buying firm Harris Sikes to place some of its ads, alleging the campaign is “failing to report payments to the firms and is instead using AMMC as a conduit for its payments to the firms.”

The complaint also points to an app called Phunware, which Parscale has said was created and is “directly owned” by the campaign, but which has never appeared in the campaign’s spending reports because, as the complaint alleges, it was paid through AMMC.

 campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh denied the charges made in the complaint, telling Forbes, “The campaign reports all payments to AMMC as required by the FEC. The campaign complies with all campaign finance laws and FEC regulations.”

CRUCIAL QUOTE

By failing to report payments to the campaign’s true vendors and employees, the Trump campaign and Trump Make America Great Again Committee have violated, and continue to violate, federal law’s transparency requirements,” the complaint asserts, adding that such activities “undermine the vital public information role that reporting is intended to serve.”

KEY BACKGROUND

Parscale was named as Trump’s campaign manager in February 2018 but was replaced in that role by Bill Stepien earlier this month. Parscale’s firms have long been the object of media scrutiny for receiving large sums from the Trump campaign and for Parscale maintaining a lavish lifestyle well beyond the means of most presidential campaign managers.

CHIEF CRITIC

"Voters have a right to know how campaigns are spending money to influence elections," CLC founder and President Trevor Potter, a Republican and former FEC Chair, told CNN. "This scheme flies in the face of transparency requirements mandated by federal law, and it leaves voters and donors in the dark about where the campaign's funds are actually going."

NEWS PEG

The allegation comes amid reports that the Trump campaign also moved millions in campaign funds to Trump’s private business interests. Forbes’ Dan Alexander and Michela Tindera reported earlier this month that the Trump campaign has pushed nearly $7 million towards Trump’s businesses since the president entered office.

WHAT TO WATCH FOR

The complaint asks the FEC, which regulates campaign finance, to “conduct an immediate investigation” and “seek appropriate sanctions for any and all violations, including civil penalties sufficient to deter future violations.”

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

just like everything else, trump will go unscathed while everyone around him crumbles.