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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    For fuck's sake (or is it fucks sake?  Please let me know- I want this post to look professional), PLEASE don't blow it, Joe!

    Joe Biden is repeating the same mistakes that cost Hillary Clinton the election

    Biden is trying to woo unhappy Republicans, when he should be mobilizing hundreds of thousands of Democrats



    I'm trying to understand why the author believes that he isn't or can't do both.  Why is it a binary choice between appealing to white working class and black working class?  And looking at the vote total in 16 compared to 12 is disingenuous considering Obama is not on the ticket.  The 16 levels dipped back to the 2004 levels, if I'm not mistaken.  Biden put Harris on the ticket precisely to try and increase the levels back closer to 12.  He won't get there, but he improving the number is definitely the goal. 

    True, M, doing both makes sense.  I think this article concerns me because it is one of a couple I have seen recently that bring up the same concern.  And why I am concerned, of course, is related to my intense worry that Trump could be re-elected.  I want everything legal that could possibly be done to see to it that Biden wins. 
    I hear you, but don't stress yourself out.  People on both sides write these type of articles to get published.  Being critical is how they make their money.  I'm not saying that he isn't being true to his feelings, but people write articles to get clicks too.  

    Good point and thanks for the reminder!  A for not stressing out- I'll let you know how that's going in about 5 1/2 weeks!
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,071
    Biden
    trump is not moving the needle at all. nothing is sticking to biden. his only hope is to make people think their vote does not matter. 

    i still think trump is going to win by cheating. but he is not moving the needle in the states he has to win.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    trump is not moving the needle at all. nothing is sticking to biden. his only hope is to make people think their vote does not matter. 

    i still think trump is going to win by cheating. but he is not moving the needle in the states he has to win.
    That’s right.  His schtick is played out.  The number have been remarkably stable.
  • mickeyrat
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    Biden
    more is always revealed....


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  • Lerxst1992
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    mickeyrat said:
    more is always revealed....


    Probe into ‘discarded’ ballots becomes campaign outrage fuel”



    This is an interesting topic. Just watched Bill Maher and he was all about what will the Dems do. They don’t have any power to fight back. And nobody brings up what I have researched, that Pelosi does have extraordinary powers if trump tries to bully his way to steal a contested election 



    Trumpublicans are feeling their oats with a 6-3 Court and control of most swing state legislatures, which they believe, GUARANTEES them victory because they can play mail in ballot games in all the close states. All challenges go to the Court, which locks it in for them. And if not, the constitution says state legislatures name the electors sent to Congress.   Depressing.

    But.

    Ive been reading a lot about this and I think many know the House, as per the constitution, picks the president. Usually it’s a rubber stamp of the actual vote. But in contested elections, the House is directed by the constitution to vote for president, but its one state one vote, and republicans hold 26 states, so they win again if trump does his manipulations.

    BUT.

     The constitution ALSO says the House decides WHO votes. It would be a ballsy move by Pelosi, but the majority has the power who to seat and can refuse to seat any representative-elect in a close election, and can even delay seating a gerrymandered district. This would be a perfect way to fight trumps effort to get this settled in Court. It’s in Article I, Section 5. NOBODY is talking about this.

    This would be on a level of McConnell rule manipulation, but what choice do Dems have? Are the Dems are willing to fight for the presidency? We know what the gop would do.

    they stole Gore’s election. They bullied RBG into not retiring with constant Obama filibustering. They stole Merrill Garlands seat.

    When will Dems fight for power like McConnell does?


  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    more is always revealed....


    Probe into ‘discarded’ ballots becomes campaign outrage fuel”



    This is an interesting topic. Just watched Bill Maher and he was all about what will the Dems do. They don’t have any power to fight back. And nobody brings up what I have researched, that Pelosi does have extraordinary powers if trump tries to bully his way to steal a contested election 



    Trumpublicans are feeling their oats with a 6-3 Court and control of most swing state legislatures, which they believe, GUARANTEES them victory because they can play mail in ballot games in all the close states. All challenges go to the Court, which locks it in for them. And if not, the constitution says state legislatures name the electors sent to Congress.   Depressing.

    But.

    Ive been reading a lot about this and I think many know the House, as per the constitution, picks the president. Usually it’s a rubber stamp of the actual vote. But in contested elections, the House is directed by the constitution to vote for president, but its one state one vote, and republicans hold 26 states, so they win again if trump does his manipulations.

    BUT.

     The constitution ALSO says the House decides WHO votes. It would be a ballsy move by Pelosi, but the majority has the power who to seat and can refuse to seat any representative-elect in a close election, and can even delay seating a gerrymandered district. This would be a perfect way to fight trumps effort to get this settled in Court. It’s in Article I, Section 5. NOBODY is talking about this.

    This would be on a level of McConnell rule manipulation, but what choice do Dems have? Are the Dems are willing to fight for the presidency? We know what the gop would do.

    they stole Gore’s election. They bullied RBG into not retiring with constant Obama filibustering. They stole Merrill Garlands seat.

    When will Dems fight for power like McConnell does?


    We’re not there yet. Not even close.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Biden
    mace1229 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mace1229 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mace1229 said:
    jerparker20 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Not familiar with this news source, but seems to be confirmed by FBI and the WH press.
    9 mail in ballots for Trump were in the trash. 

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/09/24/mcenany-pennsylvania-ballots-for-trump-were-found-in-the-trash-n2576851
    Media Bias website rates Townhall.com as a “ questionable” news source.

    “A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence. Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source.”

    *** Local news and Newsweek have both posted story now.
    The site screamed biased, but still contained a video of the WH confirming and claims that the FBI has also confirmed. So I'm guessing its true.

    Do you normally get news from people like Katie Pavlich and websites like Townhall though? How many times has Trumped praised her? She is not a journalist. And, I mean, it says this at the bottom of the article: 


    lol

    Regardless, it's a blatantly politically motivated thing designed to help Trump to state who the ballots were cast for. Ironically, Luzerne County happens to be in the middle of the state which is as red as Alabama. Don't get me wrong though, it should be investigated. But we're talking about 9 ballots here.

    I think, this time around, these stories of Trump trying to steal the election in the courts are going to motivate dems in to come out in droves, especially in my area of Pennyslvania (suburban Philly) which came through in 2018.



    No I don’t, that’s why I never heard of that site like I said. My brother texted me and asked if I’d heard about the ballots, and when and did a Google search to check for myself it was only right wing sites like that that popped up with info at the time with the story in the search results. So I shared it, you can decide for yourself if you believe the comments from the FBI and WH or not.
    I believe there is an investigation, sure. I googled it too but I found a much more reliable source than Townhall, which just parrots talking points from the White House. I mean do you consider Kayliegh McKenney a reliable source? I sure as hell don't.

    There are reports today that Trump was talking about this on some radio show prior to this story becoming public. Personally, I think that the fact that the president is having his DOJ do this and announce who the ballots were for is much more of an issue than 9 ballots being tampered with in a deep red county of PA. 
    I had about 5 minutes to look at the time, maybe if I searched through pages I could have found more acceptable resources. But even today, doing a google search of "9 trump ballots in trash" on Google (my browser actually defaults to Bing, not Google), the entire first page of results are from sites I'm unfamiliar with but can easily tell they are not unbiased, with names like "coalregioncanary" "americanmilitarynews" and so on. If I add CNN to the search it comes up empty, although I'm sure they have mentioned it, it just isn't a big story they are pushing, and so they aren't among the top search results.  I bet if it was 9 Biden ballots they would though.
    Not sure why the source on a story like this is an issue. I posted a link, said I questioned the source but story seems real, and said decide for yourself. If the story is true, why does the source still matter at this point? I do believe right sources are happy to push the idea mail voting can't be trusted, but that's irrelevant when just sharing information. 
    Dude. You're talking about nine ballots. Do you think this deserves national news coverage? Drudge Report doesn't even have anything on it. I don't even see it on Trump's twitter feed. 

    And again, I think the fact that the president knew about what is supposed to be an independent investigation, and the fact that this independent investigation blatantly said who the votes were cast for is the bigger story than nine fucking ballots. It's essentially a campaign ad for him to claim there is massive voting fraud happening when there is not. It's actually scary if you think of how he has the government actively working to advance his dangerous rhetoric. But Katie Pavlich and Townhall are not going to objectively tell you that. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Biden
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    For fuck's sake (or is it fucks sake?  Please let me know- I want this post to look professional), PLEASE don't blow it, Joe!

    Joe Biden is repeating the same mistakes that cost Hillary Clinton the election

    Biden is trying to woo unhappy Republicans, when he should be mobilizing hundreds of thousands of Democrats



    I'm trying to understand why the author believes that he isn't or can't do both.  Why is it a binary choice between appealing to white working class and black working class?  And looking at the vote total in 16 compared to 12 is disingenuous considering Obama is not on the ticket.  The 16 levels dipped back to the 2004 levels, if I'm not mistaken.  Biden put Harris on the ticket precisely to try and increase the levels back closer to 12.  He won't get there, but he improving the number is definitely the goal. 

    True, M, doing both makes sense.  I think this article concerns me because it is one of a couple I have seen recently that bring up the same concern.  And why I am concerned, of course, is related to my intense worry that Trump could be re-elected.  I want everything legal that could possibly be done to see to it that Biden wins. 
    I hear you, but don't stress yourself out.  People on both sides write these type of articles to get published.  Being critical is how they make their money.  I'm not saying that he isn't being true to his feelings, but people write articles to get clicks too.  

    Good point and thanks for the reminder!  A for not stressing out- I'll let you know how that's going in about 5 1/2 weeks!
    Ask yourself how the democrats won the house in 2018. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Biden
    mickeyrat said:
    more is always revealed....


    @mace1229
    This right here is good, sound, unbiased reporting on this subject 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    The Juggler said:
    mace1229 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mace1229 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mace1229 said:
    jerparker20 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Not familiar with this news source, but seems to be confirmed by FBI and the WH press.
    9 mail in ballots for Trump were in the trash. 

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/09/24/mcenany-pennsylvania-ballots-for-trump-were-found-in-the-trash-n2576851
    Media Bias website rates Townhall.com as a “ questionable” news source.

    “A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence. Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source.”

    *** Local news and Newsweek have both posted story now.
    The site screamed biased, but still contained a video of the WH confirming and claims that the FBI has also confirmed. So I'm guessing its true.

    Do you normally get news from people like Katie Pavlich and websites like Townhall though? How many times has Trumped praised her? She is not a journalist. And, I mean, it says this at the bottom of the article: 


    lol

    Regardless, it's a blatantly politically motivated thing designed to help Trump to state who the ballots were cast for. Ironically, Luzerne County happens to be in the middle of the state which is as red as Alabama. Don't get me wrong though, it should be investigated. But we're talking about 9 ballots here.

    I think, this time around, these stories of Trump trying to steal the election in the courts are going to motivate dems in to come out in droves, especially in my area of Pennyslvania (suburban Philly) which came through in 2018.



    No I don’t, that’s why I never heard of that site like I said. My brother texted me and asked if I’d heard about the ballots, and when and did a Google search to check for myself it was only right wing sites like that that popped up with info at the time with the story in the search results. So I shared it, you can decide for yourself if you believe the comments from the FBI and WH or not.
    I believe there is an investigation, sure. I googled it too but I found a much more reliable source than Townhall, which just parrots talking points from the White House. I mean do you consider Kayliegh McKenney a reliable source? I sure as hell don't.

    There are reports today that Trump was talking about this on some radio show prior to this story becoming public. Personally, I think that the fact that the president is having his DOJ do this and announce who the ballots were for is much more of an issue than 9 ballots being tampered with in a deep red county of PA. 
    I had about 5 minutes to look at the time, maybe if I searched through pages I could have found more acceptable resources. But even today, doing a google search of "9 trump ballots in trash" on Google (my browser actually defaults to Bing, not Google), the entire first page of results are from sites I'm unfamiliar with but can easily tell they are not unbiased, with names like "coalregioncanary" "americanmilitarynews" and so on. If I add CNN to the search it comes up empty, although I'm sure they have mentioned it, it just isn't a big story they are pushing, and so they aren't among the top search results.  I bet if it was 9 Biden ballots they would though.
    Not sure why the source on a story like this is an issue. I posted a link, said I questioned the source but story seems real, and said decide for yourself. If the story is true, why does the source still matter at this point? I do believe right sources are happy to push the idea mail voting can't be trusted, but that's irrelevant when just sharing information. 
    Dude. You're talking about nine ballots. Do you think this deserves national news coverage? Drudge Report doesn't even have anything on it. I don't even see it on Trump's twitter feed. 

    And again, I think the fact that the president knew about what is supposed to be an independent investigation, and the fact that this independent investigation blatantly said who the votes were cast for is the bigger story than nine fucking ballots. It's essentially a campaign ad for him to claim there is massive voting fraud happening when there is not. It's actually scary if you think of how he has the government actively working to advance his dangerous rhetoric. But Katie Pavlich and Townhall are not going to objectively tell you that. 
    9 ballots is nothing. I thought it was worth mentioning and I shared a link, some seemed to agree given that  this could potentially be used to fuel the mail ballot debate. You asked if I always get my news from that site, I said no and explained that was just the top search result and didn’t feel like digging further. You asked if it should be national news, and now here we are. Still not sure why it even matters. I shared a link, prefaced it with it’s a biased source. Believe the source or not. 
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Biden
    mace1229 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mace1229 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mace1229 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mace1229 said:
    jerparker20 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Not familiar with this news source, but seems to be confirmed by FBI and the WH press.
    9 mail in ballots for Trump were in the trash. 

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/09/24/mcenany-pennsylvania-ballots-for-trump-were-found-in-the-trash-n2576851
    Media Bias website rates Townhall.com as a “ questionable” news source.

    “A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence. Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source.”

    *** Local news and Newsweek have both posted story now.
    The site screamed biased, but still contained a video of the WH confirming and claims that the FBI has also confirmed. So I'm guessing its true.

    Do you normally get news from people like Katie Pavlich and websites like Townhall though? How many times has Trumped praised her? She is not a journalist. And, I mean, it says this at the bottom of the article: 


    lol

    Regardless, it's a blatantly politically motivated thing designed to help Trump to state who the ballots were cast for. Ironically, Luzerne County happens to be in the middle of the state which is as red as Alabama. Don't get me wrong though, it should be investigated. But we're talking about 9 ballots here.

    I think, this time around, these stories of Trump trying to steal the election in the courts are going to motivate dems in to come out in droves, especially in my area of Pennyslvania (suburban Philly) which came through in 2018.



    No I don’t, that’s why I never heard of that site like I said. My brother texted me and asked if I’d heard about the ballots, and when and did a Google search to check for myself it was only right wing sites like that that popped up with info at the time with the story in the search results. So I shared it, you can decide for yourself if you believe the comments from the FBI and WH or not.
    I believe there is an investigation, sure. I googled it too but I found a much more reliable source than Townhall, which just parrots talking points from the White House. I mean do you consider Kayliegh McKenney a reliable source? I sure as hell don't.

    There are reports today that Trump was talking about this on some radio show prior to this story becoming public. Personally, I think that the fact that the president is having his DOJ do this and announce who the ballots were for is much more of an issue than 9 ballots being tampered with in a deep red county of PA. 
    I had about 5 minutes to look at the time, maybe if I searched through pages I could have found more acceptable resources. But even today, doing a google search of "9 trump ballots in trash" on Google (my browser actually defaults to Bing, not Google), the entire first page of results are from sites I'm unfamiliar with but can easily tell they are not unbiased, with names like "coalregioncanary" "americanmilitarynews" and so on. If I add CNN to the search it comes up empty, although I'm sure they have mentioned it, it just isn't a big story they are pushing, and so they aren't among the top search results.  I bet if it was 9 Biden ballots they would though.
    Not sure why the source on a story like this is an issue. I posted a link, said I questioned the source but story seems real, and said decide for yourself. If the story is true, why does the source still matter at this point? I do believe right sources are happy to push the idea mail voting can't be trusted, but that's irrelevant when just sharing information. 
    Dude. You're talking about nine ballots. Do you think this deserves national news coverage? Drudge Report doesn't even have anything on it. I don't even see it on Trump's twitter feed. 

    And again, I think the fact that the president knew about what is supposed to be an independent investigation, and the fact that this independent investigation blatantly said who the votes were cast for is the bigger story than nine fucking ballots. It's essentially a campaign ad for him to claim there is massive voting fraud happening when there is not. It's actually scary if you think of how he has the government actively working to advance his dangerous rhetoric. But Katie Pavlich and Townhall are not going to objectively tell you that. 
    9 ballots is nothing. I thought it was worth mentioning and I shared a link, some seemed to agree given that  this could potentially be used to fuel the mail ballot debate. You asked if I always get my news from that site, I said no and explained that was just the top search result and didn’t feel like digging further. You asked if it should be national news, and now here we are. Still not sure why it even matters. I shared a link, prefaced it with it’s a biased source. Believe the source or not. 
    All good. Check the link Mickey posted above for the full story though
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,860
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    more is always revealed....


    Probe into ‘discarded’ ballots becomes campaign outrage fuel”



    This is an interesting topic. Just watched Bill Maher and he was all about what will the Dems do. They don’t have any power to fight back. And nobody brings up what I have researched, that Pelosi does have extraordinary powers if trump tries to bully his way to steal a contested election 



    Trumpublicans are feeling their oats with a 6-3 Court and control of most swing state legislatures, which they believe, GUARANTEES them victory because they can play mail in ballot games in all the close states. All challenges go to the Court, which locks it in for them. And if not, the constitution says state legislatures name the electors sent to Congress.   Depressing.

    But.

    Ive been reading a lot about this and I think many know the House, as per the constitution, picks the president. Usually it’s a rubber stamp of the actual vote. But in contested elections, the House is directed by the constitution to vote for president, but its one state one vote, and republicans hold 26 states, so they win again if trump does his manipulations.

    BUT.

     The constitution ALSO says the House decides WHO votes. It would be a ballsy move by Pelosi, but the majority has the power who to seat and can refuse to seat any representative-elect in a close election, and can even delay seating a gerrymandered district. This would be a perfect way to fight trumps effort to get this settled in Court. It’s in Article I, Section 5. NOBODY is talking about this.

    This would be on a level of McConnell rule manipulation, but what choice do Dems have? Are the Dems are willing to fight for the presidency? We know what the gop would do.

    they stole Gore’s election. They bullied RBG into not retiring with constant Obama filibustering. They stole Merrill Garlands seat.

    When will Dems fight for power like McConnell does?


    We’re not there yet. Not even close.


    Biden is +1.9 over 2016 in the aggregate swing state rcp aggregate, and trump needed less than 1% margin there to win. It’s close.

    But this comment is addressing the gop continually bending the rules to their benefit, as the Dems worry about “for the good of the country.“ While trump tells us he needs to appoint this judge (from another stolen seat because RBG wouldn’t retire facing constant GOP filibusters)  to secure his 5th vote to counter the democrats election crimes that we all see, we worry about playing nice and pretending we are “ahead.”

    just like last time.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,860
    The Juggler said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    For fuck's sake (or is it fucks sake?  Please let me know- I want this post to look professional), PLEASE don't blow it, Joe!

    Joe Biden is repeating the same mistakes that cost Hillary Clinton the election

    Biden is trying to woo unhappy Republicans, when he should be mobilizing hundreds of thousands of Democrats



    I'm trying to understand why the author believes that he isn't or can't do both.  Why is it a binary choice between appealing to white working class and black working class?  And looking at the vote total in 16 compared to 12 is disingenuous considering Obama is not on the ticket.  The 16 levels dipped back to the 2004 levels, if I'm not mistaken.  Biden put Harris on the ticket precisely to try and increase the levels back closer to 12.  He won't get there, but he improving the number is definitely the goal. 

    True, M, doing both makes sense.  I think this article concerns me because it is one of a couple I have seen recently that bring up the same concern.  And why I am concerned, of course, is related to my intense worry that Trump could be re-elected.  I want everything legal that could possibly be done to see to it that Biden wins. 
    I hear you, but don't stress yourself out.  People on both sides write these type of articles to get published.  Being critical is how they make their money.  I'm not saying that he isn't being true to his feelings, but people write articles to get clicks too.  

    Good point and thanks for the reminder!  A for not stressing out- I'll let you know how that's going in about 5 1/2 weeks!
    Ask yourself how the democrats won the house in 2018. 
    The trump base clearly was not energized like it is now.

    This is now in my safe blue state not very far from my home town , we have never ever had a political parade like this, and have had a Democratic congressperson for as long as I can remember,

    ....

    “A parade and rally in support of President Donald Trump is scheduled Sunday in the Town of Huntington. 

    "Let the silent majority be silent No more, and show the world We Will Stand Tall and proud that Donald J. Trump is our President and we will NOT BE SILENCED!," the event information reads. "GOD Bless the President of The United States!"


  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    more is always revealed....


    Probe into ‘discarded’ ballots becomes campaign outrage fuel”



    This is an interesting topic. Just watched Bill Maher and he was all about what will the Dems do. They don’t have any power to fight back. And nobody brings up what I have researched, that Pelosi does have extraordinary powers if trump tries to bully his way to steal a contested election 



    Trumpublicans are feeling their oats with a 6-3 Court and control of most swing state legislatures, which they believe, GUARANTEES them victory because they can play mail in ballot games in all the close states. All challenges go to the Court, which locks it in for them. And if not, the constitution says state legislatures name the electors sent to Congress.   Depressing.

    But.

    Ive been reading a lot about this and I think many know the House, as per the constitution, picks the president. Usually it’s a rubber stamp of the actual vote. But in contested elections, the House is directed by the constitution to vote for president, but its one state one vote, and republicans hold 26 states, so they win again if trump does his manipulations.

    BUT.

     The constitution ALSO says the House decides WHO votes. It would be a ballsy move by Pelosi, but the majority has the power who to seat and can refuse to seat any representative-elect in a close election, and can even delay seating a gerrymandered district. This would be a perfect way to fight trumps effort to get this settled in Court. It’s in Article I, Section 5. NOBODY is talking about this.

    This would be on a level of McConnell rule manipulation, but what choice do Dems have? Are the Dems are willing to fight for the presidency? We know what the gop would do.

    they stole Gore’s election. They bullied RBG into not retiring with constant Obama filibustering. They stole Merrill Garlands seat.

    When will Dems fight for power like McConnell does?


    We’re not there yet. Not even close.


    Biden is +1.9 over 2016 in the aggregate swing state rcp aggregate, and trump needed less than 1% margin there to win. It’s close.

    But this comment is addressing the gop continually bending the rules to their benefit, as the Dems worry about “for the good of the country.“ While trump tells us he needs to appoint this judge (from another stolen seat because RBG wouldn’t retire facing constant GOP filibusters)  to secure his 5th vote to counter the democrats election crimes that we all see, we worry about playing nice and pretending we are “ahead.”

    just like last time.
    Is it, though? Main difference is how steady Biden's lead is. 

    Looking at RCP, you can see he has maintained his edge and has actually built upon it since April. It spiked up during the riots and when Corona was raging. But, big picture? Biden's is up 1% from April.

    In contrast, HRC started up 4% in April, gradually decreased to 2% before the conventions, bumped up to 4.8% in early September, and then back down. Clinton was 3% less than where she was in April at this point. This is because Trump had a much easier time defining her than he is having with Biden because Hillary was an awful candidate who was disliked by the vast majority of the electorate--not the case with Joe. 

    Right now Biden is leading by 3.6% in these swing states, per RCP, 1% higher than where he started, and 1% higher than where he was a month ago. 
    At the same point in 2016, HRC was leading by 1.7%, about 1.5% lower than where she was about a month ago.

    Also, as has been pointed out repeatedly, Biden is consistently polling around 50% while HRC barely got over 45%, meaning most people have made up their minds and fewer people will be swayed by late surprises which cost HRC the election.

    Can Trump win? Sure? Can Trump steal the election? Sure. But make no mistake, Biden is still in a good position right now. 
    This is not 2016, folks. 
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/trump-vs-biden-top-battleground-states-2020-vs-2016/

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  • mrussel1
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    The Juggler said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    For fuck's sake (or is it fucks sake?  Please let me know- I want this post to look professional), PLEASE don't blow it, Joe!

    Joe Biden is repeating the same mistakes that cost Hillary Clinton the election

    Biden is trying to woo unhappy Republicans, when he should be mobilizing hundreds of thousands of Democrats



    I'm trying to understand why the author believes that he isn't or can't do both.  Why is it a binary choice between appealing to white working class and black working class?  And looking at the vote total in 16 compared to 12 is disingenuous considering Obama is not on the ticket.  The 16 levels dipped back to the 2004 levels, if I'm not mistaken.  Biden put Harris on the ticket precisely to try and increase the levels back closer to 12.  He won't get there, but he improving the number is definitely the goal. 

    True, M, doing both makes sense.  I think this article concerns me because it is one of a couple I have seen recently that bring up the same concern.  And why I am concerned, of course, is related to my intense worry that Trump could be re-elected.  I want everything legal that could possibly be done to see to it that Biden wins. 
    I hear you, but don't stress yourself out.  People on both sides write these type of articles to get published.  Being critical is how they make their money.  I'm not saying that he isn't being true to his feelings, but people write articles to get clicks too.  

    Good point and thanks for the reminder!  A for not stressing out- I'll let you know how that's going in about 5 1/2 weeks!
    Ask yourself how the democrats won the house in 2018. 
    The trump base clearly was not energized like it is now.

    This is now in my safe blue state not very far from my home town , we have never ever had a political parade like this, and have had a Democratic congressperson for as long as I can remember,

    ....

    “A parade and rally in support of President Donald Trump is scheduled Sunday in the Town of Huntington. 

    "Let the silent majority be silent No more, and show the world We Will Stand Tall and proud that Donald J. Trump is our President and we will NOT BE SILENCED!," the event information reads. "GOD Bless the President of The United States!"


    That's evidence of what? A shy voter?
  • The Juggler
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    mrussel1 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    The Juggler said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    For fuck's sake (or is it fucks sake?  Please let me know- I want this post to look professional), PLEASE don't blow it, Joe!

    Joe Biden is repeating the same mistakes that cost Hillary Clinton the election

    Biden is trying to woo unhappy Republicans, when he should be mobilizing hundreds of thousands of Democrats



    I'm trying to understand why the author believes that he isn't or can't do both.  Why is it a binary choice between appealing to white working class and black working class?  And looking at the vote total in 16 compared to 12 is disingenuous considering Obama is not on the ticket.  The 16 levels dipped back to the 2004 levels, if I'm not mistaken.  Biden put Harris on the ticket precisely to try and increase the levels back closer to 12.  He won't get there, but he improving the number is definitely the goal. 

    True, M, doing both makes sense.  I think this article concerns me because it is one of a couple I have seen recently that bring up the same concern.  And why I am concerned, of course, is related to my intense worry that Trump could be re-elected.  I want everything legal that could possibly be done to see to it that Biden wins. 
    I hear you, but don't stress yourself out.  People on both sides write these type of articles to get published.  Being critical is how they make their money.  I'm not saying that he isn't being true to his feelings, but people write articles to get clicks too.  

    Good point and thanks for the reminder!  A for not stressing out- I'll let you know how that's going in about 5 1/2 weeks!
    Ask yourself how the democrats won the house in 2018. 
    The trump base clearly was not energized like it is now.

    This is now in my safe blue state not very far from my home town , we have never ever had a political parade like this, and have had a Democratic congressperson for as long as I can remember,

    ....

    “A parade and rally in support of President Donald Trump is scheduled Sunday in the Town of Huntington. 

    "Let the silent majority be silent No more, and show the world We Will Stand Tall and proud that Donald J. Trump is our President and we will NOT BE SILENCED!," the event information reads. "GOD Bless the President of The United States!"


    That's evidence of what? A shy voter?
    lol
    I feel like we've been through this already
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  • Lerxst1992
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    Hey @mrussel1 I’ve replied that 45% vs 50% is as much to do with having a quality 3rd party choice such as a former governor last time. And we don’t know if there is a big underpolling of non college whites that would make Biden actually below 50%. We will have to agree to disagree.

    the point of my comment last night was about contested elections, the House and Article I. It was not intended to regurgitate my theories that the polling is really close, I’m sure the regulars here expect that from me by now.

    Rather, my point was to foster a discussion, as McConnell has manipulated congressional rules to leverage two Supreme Court seats, as Gore caved easily for the good of the country, as trump tells us he needs a “5th” justice to take care of this election for himself, that the constitution is actually very interesting regarding contested elections. 

    The intent was to discuss how trumps aggressive use of the courts can be countered, without the fruitless hope of finding “the right judge to rule the right way.” I thought that might present an interesting new angle to this election. Maybe I should have started a new topic, but would only do that if there is real interest for a continuing discussion and for members to do a little digging on it, as it’s very possible this is the route trump will try.

    @Halifax2TheMax did reply we weren’t that close, so I went back (perhaps in error) to the it’s closer than you think comment, but I was hoping interested politicos may want to brush up on contested elections in the constitution and consider if democrats are as strong as republicans when there is a chance to manipulate rules to gain power.
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    The Juggler said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    more is always revealed....


    Probe into ‘discarded’ ballots becomes campaign outrage fuel”



    This is an interesting topic. Just watched Bill Maher and he was all about what will the Dems do. They don’t have any power to fight back. And nobody brings up what I have researched, that Pelosi does have extraordinary powers if trump tries to bully his way to steal a contested election 



    Trumpublicans are feeling their oats with a 6-3 Court and control of most swing state legislatures, which they believe, GUARANTEES them victory because they can play mail in ballot games in all the close states. All challenges go to the Court, which locks it in for them. And if not, the constitution says state legislatures name the electors sent to Congress.   Depressing.

    But.

    Ive been reading a lot about this and I think many know the House, as per the constitution, picks the president. Usually it’s a rubber stamp of the actual vote. But in contested elections, the House is directed by the constitution to vote for president, but its one state one vote, and republicans hold 26 states, so they win again if trump does his manipulations.

    BUT.

     The constitution ALSO says the House decides WHO votes. It would be a ballsy move by Pelosi, but the majority has the power who to seat and can refuse to seat any representative-elect in a close election, and can even delay seating a gerrymandered district. This would be a perfect way to fight trumps effort to get this settled in Court. It’s in Article I, Section 5. NOBODY is talking about this.

    This would be on a level of McConnell rule manipulation, but what choice do Dems have? Are the Dems are willing to fight for the presidency? We know what the gop would do.

    they stole Gore’s election. They bullied RBG into not retiring with constant Obama filibustering. They stole Merrill Garlands seat.

    When will Dems fight for power like McConnell does?


    We’re not there yet. Not even close.


    Biden is +1.9 over 2016 in the aggregate swing state rcp aggregate, and trump needed less than 1% margin there to win. It’s close.

    But this comment is addressing the gop continually bending the rules to their benefit, as the Dems worry about “for the good of the country.“ While trump tells us he needs to appoint this judge (from another stolen seat because RBG wouldn’t retire facing constant GOP filibusters)  to secure his 5th vote to counter the democrats election crimes that we all see, we worry about playing nice and pretending we are “ahead.”

    just like last time.
    Is it, though? Main difference is how steady Biden's lead is. 

    Looking at RCP, you can see he has maintained his edge and has actually built upon it since April. It spiked up during the riots and when Corona was raging. But, big picture? Biden's is up 1% from April.

    In contrast, HRC started up 4% in April, gradually decreased to 2% before the conventions, bumped up to 4.8% in early September, and then back down. Clinton was 3% less than where she was in April at this point. This is because Trump had a much easier time defining her than he is having with Biden because Hillary was an awful candidate who was disliked by the vast majority of the electorate--not the case with Joe. 

    Right now Biden is leading by 3.6% in these swing states, per RCP, 1% higher than where he started, and 1% higher than where he was a month ago. 
    At the same point in 2016, HRC was leading by 1.7%, about 1.5% lower than where she was about a month ago.

    Also, as has been pointed out repeatedly, Biden is consistently polling around 50% while HRC barely got over 45%, meaning most people have made up their minds and fewer people will be swayed by late surprises which cost HRC the election.

    Can Trump win? Sure? Can Trump steal the election? Sure. But make no mistake, Biden is still in a good position right now. 
    This is not 2016, folks. 
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/trump-vs-biden-top-battleground-states-2020-vs-2016/

    Not to quote myself but I just wanted to add that the national polling seem to have reflected the same sort of swings Hillary saw in the swing states in 2016, whereas Biden has been remarkably consistent. Trump actually had the lead a few times back then. He hasn't sniffed it this year. So for those who insist national polling doesn't mean anything, well, there ya go. 

    Just another indicator that differentiates 2020 from 2016.
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    more is always revealed....


    Probe into ‘discarded’ ballots becomes campaign outrage fuel”



    This is an interesting topic. Just watched Bill Maher and he was all about what will the Dems do. They don’t have any power to fight back. And nobody brings up what I have researched, that Pelosi does have extraordinary powers if trump tries to bully his way to steal a contested election 



    Trumpublicans are feeling their oats with a 6-3 Court and control of most swing state legislatures, which they believe, GUARANTEES them victory because they can play mail in ballot games in all the close states. All challenges go to the Court, which locks it in for them. And if not, the constitution says state legislatures name the electors sent to Congress.   Depressing.

    But.

    Ive been reading a lot about this and I think many know the House, as per the constitution, picks the president. Usually it’s a rubber stamp of the actual vote. But in contested elections, the House is directed by the constitution to vote for president, but its one state one vote, and republicans hold 26 states, so they win again if trump does his manipulations.

    BUT.

     The constitution ALSO says the House decides WHO votes. It would be a ballsy move by Pelosi, but the majority has the power who to seat and can refuse to seat any representative-elect in a close election, and can even delay seating a gerrymandered district. This would be a perfect way to fight trumps effort to get this settled in Court. It’s in Article I, Section 5. NOBODY is talking about this.

    This would be on a level of McConnell rule manipulation, but what choice do Dems have? Are the Dems are willing to fight for the presidency? We know what the gop would do.

    they stole Gore’s election. They bullied RBG into not retiring with constant Obama filibustering. They stole Merrill Garlands seat.

    When will Dems fight for power like McConnell does?


    We’re not there yet. Not even close.


    Biden is +1.9 over 2016 in the aggregate swing state rcp aggregate, and trump needed less than 1% margin there to win. It’s close.

    But this comment is addressing the gop continually bending the rules to their benefit, as the Dems worry about “for the good of the country.“ While trump tells us he needs to appoint this judge (from another stolen seat because RBG wouldn’t retire facing constant GOP filibusters)  to secure his 5th vote to counter the democrats election crimes that we all see, we worry about playing nice and pretending we are “ahead.”

    just like last time.
    But that’s to assume the vote totals will be too close, leading to contention and that the dems won’t have an army of lawyers to counter the repubs’ frivolity. Will it be ugly? Sure. Is it all doom and gloom? Time will tell.

    SWJBB needs to run as if he’s 23 down. Let’s see how or if the polling moves after Tuesday night’s debate.
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    Yeah I will be really interested to see if anything changes after the debate. Not expecting much since so many have their minds made up though...
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