Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

tbergs

Biden

I see the Trump flags all over where I live in rural MN. They range from having the motto keep America great, no more bullshit, make liberals cry again and one literally with a muscular Trump on a tank. Loud minority for sure.

josevolution

tbergs said:

I see the Trump flags all over where I live in rural MN. They range from having the motto keep America great, no more bullshit, make liberals cry again and one literally with a muscular Trump on a tank. Loud minority for sure.

After watching what’s transpired in the last two months I believe he will win re-election! The looters & violence has worked in his favor! 

nicknyr15

I'm sitting this one out

josevolution said:

tbergs said:

I see the Trump flags all over where I live in rural MN. They range from having the motto keep America great, no more bullshit, make liberals cry again and one literally with a muscular Trump on a tank. Loud minority for sure.

After watching what’s transpired in the last two months I believe he will win re-election! The looters & violence has worked in his favor! 

I agree and it’s very frustrating to watch these looters sabotage themselves. 

mcgruff10

Biden

josevolution said:

tbergs said:

I see the Trump flags all over where I live in rural MN. They range from having the motto keep America great, no more bullshit, make liberals cry again and one literally with a muscular Trump on a tank. Loud minority for sure.

After watching what’s transpired in the last two months I believe he will win re-election! The looters & violence has worked in his favor! 

Couldn’t agree more.  

static111

Biden

josevolution said:

tbergs said:

I see the Trump flags all over where I live in rural MN. They range from having the motto keep America great, no more bullshit, make liberals cry again and one literally with a muscular Trump on a tank. Loud minority for sure.

After watching what’s transpired in the last two months I believe he will win re-election! The looters & violence has worked in his favor! 

I still think if he wins it has more to do with white people being racist and looking for an out.  If some rioting and looting taking place under the current administration is enough to swing someones vote, they were looking for a guilt free way to vote Trump and all he stands for.

josevolution

I’m shocked that black Americans leaders haven’t stepped up to the plate and tried to stop the violence! Specially the sports stars I know they have now specially the NBA but it’s a bit late in my opinion!

AKRounder85

Trump is reported betting favorite as of 8/28 at -120 at most sportsbooks. 1st time since May. MyBookie had him at -140

He won in 2016 at +300-something underdog.

Although polls are 1 factor in the influence of the betting odds, I find betting odds to be more accurate then the polls...

static111

Biden

josevolution said:

I’m shocked that black Americans leaders haven’t stepped up to the plate and tried to stop the violence! Specially the sports stars I know they have now specially the NBA but it’s a bit late in my opinion!

I repeat.  If trump wins it is because racist white people were looking for a reason to vote for a facist white power dictator. The excuse will be property damage etc but deep down the real reason will be because they are ok with the reason that is causing the property damage.

josevolution

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/08/29/trump-cancels-election-security-briefings.html
No one can stop him he trampled Schiff & Pelosi they have no chance of stopping him! 

darwinstheory

Biden

Buckle up for 4 more years my friends. Thinking of his stupid ass smug hateful divisive face on election night already makes me want to vomit.

Lerxst1992

nicknyr15 said:

josevolution said:

tbergs said:

I see the Trump flags all over where I live in rural MN. They range from having the motto keep America great, no more bullshit, make liberals cry again and one literally with a muscular Trump on a tank. Loud minority for sure.

After watching what’s transpired in the last two months I believe he will win re-election! The looters & violence has worked in his favor! 

I agree and it’s very frustrating to watch these looters sabotage themselves. 

Michael Moore, who predicted trumps 2016 win, thought  all along Biden will cruise this time, has recently changed his mind,

“ The documentary film-maker Michael Moore has warned that Donald Trump appears to have such momentum in some battleground states that liberals risk a repeat of 2016 when so many wrote off Trump only to see him grab the White House.

“Sorry to have to provide the reality check again,” he said.

Moore, who was one of few political observers to predict Trump’s victory over Hillary Clinton in 2016, said that “enthusiasm for Trump is off the charts” in key areas compared with the Democratic party nominee, Joe Biden.

“Are you ready for a Trump victory? Are you mentally prepared to be outsmarted by Trump again? Do you find comfort in your certainty that there is no way Trump can win? Are you content with the trust you’ve placed in the DNC [Democratic National Committee] to pull this off?” Moore posted on Facebook late on Friday.

Moore identified opinion polling in battleground states such as Minnesota and Michigan to make a case that the sitting president is running alongside or ahead of his rival.

“The Biden campaign just announced he’ll be visiting a number of states – but not Michigan. Sound familiar?” Moore wrote, presumably indicating Hillary Clinton’s 2016 race when she made the error of avoiding some states that then swung to Trump.

“I’m warning you almost 10 weeks in advance. The enthusiasm level for the 60 million in Trump’s base is OFF THE CHARTS! For Joe, not so much,” he later added.

He continued to voters: “Don’t leave it to the Democrats to get rid of Trump. YOU have to get rid of Trump. WE have to wake up every day for the next 67 days and make sure each of us are going to get a hundred people out to vote. ACT NOW!”

Moore cited CNN polling of registered voters this month to assert that “Biden and Trump were in a virtual tie”, including a poll that showed the pair tied at 47% in Minnesota. Moore said that Trump “has closed the gap to 4 points” in Michigan.

A national CNN poll this month showed that Biden’s lead over Trump has narrowed nationally, 50% to 46%, while a survey from the Republican-leaning Trafalgar Group found Biden and Trump statistically tied at 47% in Minnesota, and Trump narrowly leading Biden in Michigan. The margin of error for the poll, which surveyed 1,048 people, is 2.98%.

Moore, a vocal supporter of Bernie Sanders’s leftwing candidacy, warned in October 2016 that “Trump’s election is going to be the biggest ‘f*** you’ ever recorded in human history – and it will feel good,” even as Clinton appeared to be sailing to victory.

“Whether Trump means it or not is kind of irrelevant because he’s saying the things to people who are hurting, and that’s why every beaten-down, nameless, forgotten working stiff who used to be part of what was called the middle class loves Trump,” Moore warned at that time.

Moore’s latest warnings come as Trump said at a campaign event in New Hampshire on Friday night that he supported seeing the first female president of the United States, but recommended his daughter over the Democratic vice-presidential candidate Kamala Harris.

“They’re all saying ‘we want Ivanka,’” Trump told his supporters. “I don’t blame them.”

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josevolution

Yep you can feel it in the air the climate has changed, to give idiot the wind he needs to win! 

nicknyr15

I'm sitting this one out

josevolution said:

Yep you can feel it in the air the climate has changed, to give idiot the wind he needs to win! 

But how? How could democratic leaders allow this to happen? Why wasn’t any of the insane amount of violence addressed at the DNC? Imo, all it would take is a great speech  addressing what’s going on and clarifying for the average voter what defund means. At different points this year it almost feels like both sides want to lose in November. Why did it take the violence showing up in the polls to now care about the chaos, as per Don Lemon? I also don’t think things like “fiery but peaceful” are helping. Fox News gets away with it because everyone expects it from them, unfortunately . CNN seems to be moving closer and closer to parody and the Fox News approach. I understand it’s far from over, but still...... 

**im not instigating or playing contrarian, I’m legitimately asking and puzzled by all of this. 

mickeyrat

Biden

nicknyr15 said:

josevolution said:

Yep you can feel it in the air the climate has changed, to give idiot the wind he needs to win! 

But how? How could democratic leaders allow this to happen? Why wasn’t any of the insane amount of violence addressed at the DNC? Imo, all it would take is a great speech  addressing what’s going on and clarifying for the average voter what defund means. At different points this year it almost feels like both sides want to lose in November. Why did it take the violence showing up in the polls to now care about the chaos, as per Don Lemon? I also don’t think things like “fiery but peaceful” are helping. Fox News gets away with it because everyone expects it from them, unfortunately . CNN seems to be moving closer and closer to parody and the Fox News approach. I understand it’s far from over, but still...... 

**im not instigating or playing contrarian, I’m legitimately asking and puzzled by all of this. 

Joe doesnt support defunding police. Has made it clear he doesnt. In fact suggests increasing funding for better training etc....

look for his usa today op-ed.

why would it be necessary to define a concept you arent implementing?

nicknyr15

I'm sitting this one out

mickeyrat said:

nicknyr15 said:

josevolution said:

Yep you can feel it in the air the climate has changed, to give idiot the wind he needs to win! 

But how? How could democratic leaders allow this to happen? Why wasn’t any of the insane amount of violence addressed at the DNC? Imo, all it would take is a great speech  addressing what’s going on and clarifying for the average voter what defund means. At different points this year it almost feels like both sides want to lose in November. Why did it take the violence showing up in the polls to now care about the chaos, as per Don Lemon? I also don’t think things like “fiery but peaceful” are helping. Fox News gets away with it because everyone expects it from them, unfortunately . CNN seems to be moving closer and closer to parody and the Fox News approach. I understand it’s far from over, but still...... 

**im not instigating or playing contrarian, I’m legitimately asking and puzzled by all of this. 

Joe doesnt support defunding police. Has made it clear he doesnt. In fact suggests increasing funding for better training etc....

look for his usa today op-ed.

why would it be necessary to define a concept you arent implementing?

Ok I will look it up. Thank you for the info. 

tbergs

Biden

I get the concern. I'm definetely not convinced Biden is going to win, but I'm also not doom and gloom Trump is going to win. I'm optimistic; however, those that say he has not gained voters need to consider the amount of Trump supporting parents' whose kids have turned 18 in the last 4 years. Sorry, but the voters who support Biden are generally not having as many kids as Trump humpers. I've seen this phenomena among my relatives and my wife's. Minnesota will be close and it all comes down to if there are more Biden votes in the metro compared to the overwhelming dominance he'll get in the rural areas. It seems ridiculous, but people are really into voting against their interests.

I mean, every one of those Trump election mottos I mentioned above is completely bullshit. He has, and will continue to do exactly the opposite of each one, but his supporters are ignorant and don't care.

josevolution

The DNC has been non existent in sending a clear message that looting & destruction of people’s property is a non-starter but they’ve failed, it’s mind boggling..

static111

Biden

Meanwhile Trump’s base is getting more and more energized.

cincybearcat

Biden

josevolution said:

The DNC has been non existent in sending a clear message that looting & destruction of people’s property is a non-starter but they’ve failed, it’s mind boggling..

It’s crazy.  ,la would actually be the best person to speak on this...but I guess perhaps the DEms don’t want to highlight that portion of her career? 

bootlegger10

Biden

My vote doesn't matter in the state I live in because it will go Trump.  That said, I made sure to get my voter registration ready but I want to vote against Trump.  The sad thing is that I think Biden is a poor candidate.   He is just as incoherent sometimes as Trump (and as creepy) and we need someone with energy to lead and not because they are still trying to check a box on a bucket list.  Nevertheless, he is a better alternative than Trump. 

The fact that Biden is not out on the road at least trying to speak to small groups in a safe way is ridiculous.  I heard Pelosi float the idea of no debates.  Clearly that was a test and meant to get the voters used to the idea of no debates.  They know Trump will eat him alive during debates.  Just a terribly weak candidate. 

If the Dems do not come out strong for protests but against violence/looting they'll lose a lot of swing states.  It has to be across the board. Local government controls.  Swing voters are not going to  vote for a party that thinks they are racist if they feel that looting a Target or Wal-Mart is wrong.