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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,696
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    I still think that if he pledges to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 drug list and expunge all small time marijuana offenses he will win in a landslide and cement the support of the progressives that are still having second thoughts about the effectiveness of the 2 party system
    I agree!  I’ll vote for whoever decides to legalize MJ federally.  Talk about laws rooted in racism.
    The law is rooted in industrialization.  Hemp was a threat to the timber industry. 
    Probably, but it's evolution, enforcement, and punishment have been rooted in racism.
    Yes,  it has disproportionately affected minorities,  but racism was not behind the original intent. 
    Semantics, anyway.  If Biden approached the mic and said "I'm going to do everything I can to make marijuana legal" I would go from thinking he's going to lose to thinking he's going to win.  Libertarians who don't love Trump but think he's less evil, people disinterested in voting, third party voters who think "they're both the same"... some of those people would be swayed.  And it's not going to take that many to push Biden over the top in the states that matter.

    I don't really think there are many people left who think MJ should be illegal.  And I think essentially nobody would make that their "big issue."  Most people who are hard-core about that probably don't vote Democrat very often anyway.

    Do it, Joe!
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    I still think that if he pledges to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 drug list and expunge all small time marijuana offenses he will win in a landslide and cement the support of the progressives that are still having second thoughts about the effectiveness of the 2 party system
    I agree!  I’ll vote for whoever decides to legalize MJ federally.  Talk about laws rooted in racism.
    The law is rooted in industrialization.  Hemp was a threat to the timber industry. 
    Probably, but it's evolution, enforcement, and punishment have been rooted in racism.
    Yes,  it has disproportionately affected minorities,  but racism was not behind the original intent. 
    Semantics, anyway.  If Biden approached the mic and said "I'm going to do everything I can to make marijuana legal" I would go from thinking he's going to lose to thinking he's going to win.  Libertarians who don't love Trump but think he's less evil, people disinterested in voting, third party voters who think "they're both the same"... some of those people would be swayed.  And it's not going to take that many to push Biden over the top in the states that matter.

    I don't really think there are many people left who think MJ should be illegal.  And I think essentially nobody would make that their "big issue."  Most people who are hard-core about that probably don't vote Democrat very often anyway.

    Do it, Joe!
    Politically it’s a losing issue. Better to have dems send him a bill to sign or after being elected stating he’ll take a serious look at the issue, talk to the states that legalized it and see what the science says about harm, etc. Coming right out and saying it should be legalized or decriminalized allows the opposition to paint him as a “pusher man, sending our kids into a life of drug dependency.” Plus, stoners don’t get off the couch and don’t know when Election Day is.
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  • mrussel1
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    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    I still think that if he pledges to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 drug list and expunge all small time marijuana offenses he will win in a landslide and cement the support of the progressives that are still having second thoughts about the effectiveness of the 2 party system
    I agree!  I’ll vote for whoever decides to legalize MJ federally.  Talk about laws rooted in racism.
    The law is rooted in industrialization.  Hemp was a threat to the timber industry. 
    Probably, but it's evolution, enforcement, and punishment have been rooted in racism.
    Yes,  it has disproportionately affected minorities,  but racism was not behind the original intent. 
    Semantics, anyway.  If Biden approached the mic and said "I'm going to do everything I can to make marijuana legal" I would go from thinking he's going to lose to thinking he's going to win.  Libertarians who don't love Trump but think he's less evil, people disinterested in voting, third party voters who think "they're both the same"... some of those people would be swayed.  And it's not going to take that many to push Biden over the top in the states that matter.

    I don't really think there are many people left who think MJ should be illegal.  And I think essentially nobody would make that their "big issue."  Most people who are hard-core about that probably don't vote Democrat very often anyway.

    Do it, Joe!
    I think there are still some older citizens who have notions about the devil weed that they're not past.  While it may motivate some progressives and help with some Libertarians (dubious on this one because I think some other issues they oppose are stronger), it may cost Joe some older voters that may cross back to us.  Making weed an issue could play into Trumps law and order narrative.  I would guess that the campaign has done extensive testing on this and feels it's better left unsaid right now 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    I still think that if he pledges to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 drug list and expunge all small time marijuana offenses he will win in a landslide and cement the support of the progressives that are still having second thoughts about the effectiveness of the 2 party system
    I agree!  I’ll vote for whoever decides to legalize MJ federally.  Talk about laws rooted in racism.
    The law is rooted in industrialization.  Hemp was a threat to the timber industry. 
    Probably, but it's evolution, enforcement, and punishment have been rooted in racism.
    Yes,  it has disproportionately affected minorities,  but racism was not behind the original intent. 
    Semantics, anyway.  If Biden approached the mic and said "I'm going to do everything I can to make marijuana legal" I would go from thinking he's going to lose to thinking he's going to win.  Libertarians who don't love Trump but think he's less evil, people disinterested in voting, third party voters who think "they're both the same"... some of those people would be swayed.  And it's not going to take that many to push Biden over the top in the states that matter.

    I don't really think there are many people left who think MJ should be illegal.  And I think essentially nobody would make that their "big issue."  Most people who are hard-core about that probably don't vote Democrat very often anyway.

    Do it, Joe!
    Politically it’s a losing issue. Better to have dems send him a bill to sign or after being elected stating he’ll take a serious look at the issue, talk to the states that legalized it and see what the science says about harm, etc. Coming right out and saying it should be legalized or decriminalized allows the opposition to paint him as a “pusher man, sending our kids into a life of drug dependency.” Plus, stoners don’t get off the couch and don’t know when Election Day is.
    Here in Virginia, it was not a front and center issue last fall with our legislative races.  However, as soon as the session convened (after winning the chambers), moves were made.  I tend to think that's the play.  I still think we were too conservative (making possession a ticket, not a misdemeanor and commissioning a study) but it's still far further than our GOP led sessions ever did. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,126
    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    I still think that if he pledges to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 drug list and expunge all small time marijuana offenses he will win in a landslide and cement the support of the progressives that are still having second thoughts about the effectiveness of the 2 party system
    I agree!  I’ll vote for whoever decides to legalize MJ federally.  Talk about laws rooted in racism.
    The law is rooted in industrialization.  Hemp was a threat to the timber industry. 
    Probably, but it's evolution, enforcement, and punishment have been rooted in racism.
    Yes,  it has disproportionately affected minorities,  but racism was not behind the original intent. 
    Semantics, anyway.  If Biden approached the mic and said "I'm going to do everything I can to make marijuana legal" I would go from thinking he's going to lose to thinking he's going to win.  Libertarians who don't love Trump but think he's less evil, people disinterested in voting, third party voters who think "they're both the same"... some of those people would be swayed.  And it's not going to take that many to push Biden over the top in the states that matter.

    I don't really think there are many people left who think MJ should be illegal.  And I think essentially nobody would make that their "big issue."  Most people who are hard-core about that probably don't vote Democrat very often anyway.

    Do it, Joe!
    Politically it’s a losing issue. Better to have dems send him a bill to sign or after being elected stating he’ll take a serious look at the issue, talk to the states that legalized it and see what the science says about harm, etc. Coming right out and saying it should be legalized or decriminalized allows the opposition to paint him as a “pusher man, sending our kids into a life of drug dependency.” Plus, stoners don’t get off the couch and don’t know when Election Day is.
    Here in Virginia, it was not a front and center issue last fall with our legislative races.  However, as soon as the session convened (after winning the chambers), moves were made.  I tend to think that's the play.  I still think we were too conservative (making possession a ticket, not a misdemeanor and commissioning a study) but it's still far further than our GOP led sessions ever did. 
    The states that have some form of legalization should be pushing this in the House and Senate, if only for the revenue generation alone. Let states opt in but allow the companies and banks to conduct business. Regulate it, tax it and decriminalize it. 
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  • Meltdown99
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    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    I still think that if he pledges to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 drug list and expunge all small time marijuana offenses he will win in a landslide and cement the support of the progressives that are still having second thoughts about the effectiveness of the 2 party system
    I agree!  I’ll vote for whoever decides to legalize MJ federally.  Talk about laws rooted in racism.

    mickeyrat said:
    I enjoy listening to policy positions and about potential VP/Cabinet picks , while touting your record of public service.

    Its like a sport, culminating in voting on Nov 3......
    Reefer Madness... lol.  Biden is not legalizing cannabis?  How much cash has he received from big pharma.  No doubt in my mind that prohibition of weed is rooted in racism??? After all 1st nations peoples were using long before white man committed genocide and stole their land....
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  • oftenreading
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    Meltdown99 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    I still think that if he pledges to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 drug list and expunge all small time marijuana offenses he will win in a landslide and cement the support of the progressives that are still having second thoughts about the effectiveness of the 2 party system
    I agree!  I’ll vote for whoever decides to legalize MJ federally.  Talk about laws rooted in racism.

    mickeyrat said:
    I enjoy listening to policy positions and about potential VP/Cabinet picks , while touting your record of public service.

    Its like a sport, culminating in voting on Nov 3......
    Reefer Madness... lol.  Biden is not legalizing cannabis?  How much cash has he received from big pharma.  No doubt in my mind that prohibition of weed is rooted in racism??? After all 1st nations peoples were using long before white man committed genocide and stole their land....

    Well, not in North America they weren't. "White man" brought cannabis to the Americas. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Sleepy Woke Joe’s humanity on display.


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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    Joe Biden accused of plagiarizing from Jack Layton's final letter in nomination speech


    https://nationalpost.com/news/joe-biden-accused-of-plagiarizing-from-jack-laytons-final-letter-in-nomination-speech/wcm/7fe523c7-ea00-4f2e-abee-a07d3edcf221/


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  • mickeyrat
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    Biden
     "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -Martin Luther King, Jr.

    seems Bidens was a closer variant to Kings quote....
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    Biden
    Meltdown99 said:

    Joe Biden accused of plagiarizing from Jack Layton's final letter in nomination speech


    https://nationalpost.com/news/joe-biden-accused-of-plagiarizing-from-jack-laytons-final-letter-in-nomination-speech/wcm/7fe523c7-ea00-4f2e-abee-a07d3edcf221/


    interesting then that Laytons thoughts arent exactly original .....
    from the article.

    However, the sentiments Layton made also channel lines from a speech former prime minister Wilfrid Laurier gave in 1916.

    “Let me tell you that for the solution of these problems you have a safe guide, an unfailing light if you remember that faith is better than doubt and love is better than hate,” said Laurier.


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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    I would guess that people have been using variations on those themes for centuries. Who is going to argue with "love is better than hate"?
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    Biden
    Trump speaking every night will be good for ratings...but not good for Trump.
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    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    Trump speaking every night will be good for ratings...but not good for Trump.

    LOL, isn't that the truth! 
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  • Lerxst1992
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    brianlux said:
    The Juggler said:
    Trump speaking every night will be good for ratings...but not good for Trump.

    LOL, isn't that the truth! 

    I don’t know I am getting nervous again. With the US poor covid record, shouldn’t Biden have a much better standing in the polls? I am never going to make it thru election night , especially if trump declares victory while many states say there are too many mail in ballots uncounted to declare a winner that night and trump continues to dismantle mail sorters.
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,696
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    Trump speaking every night will be good for ratings...but not good for Trump.
    I look forward to Trump bragging about how many more people watched the GQP convention than the Dem convention.
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  • static111
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    Biden
    So what happens if Trump actually wins. Fairly wins, not wins through a cheat or refuses to concede defeat?  Obviously fascism, etc. but how will that reshape politics if we don’t end up with a full one party Russian style system?
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  • brianlux
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    Biden
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    The Juggler said:
    Trump speaking every night will be good for ratings...but not good for Trump.

    LOL, isn't that the truth! 

    I don’t know I am getting nervous again. With the US poor covid record, shouldn’t Biden have a much better standing in the polls? I am never going to make it thru election night , especially if trump declares victory while many states say there are too many mail in ballots uncounted to declare a winner that night and trump continues to dismantle mail sorters.

    I know how you feel, Lerxst.  I'll be nervous until Trump is out of office.
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  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,512
    Biden
    brianlux said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    The Juggler said:
    Trump speaking every night will be good for ratings...but not good for Trump.

    LOL, isn't that the truth! 

    I don’t know I am getting nervous again. With the US poor covid record, shouldn’t Biden have a much better standing in the polls? I am never going to make it thru election night , especially if trump declares victory while many states say there are too many mail in ballots uncounted to declare a winner that night and trump continues to dismantle mail sorters.

    I know how you feel, Lerxst.  I'll be nervous until Trump is out of office.
    This! 
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  • The Juggler
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    Biden
    static111 said:
    So what happens if Trump actually wins. Fairly wins, not wins through a cheat or refuses to concede defeat?  Obviously fascism, etc. but how will that reshape politics if we don’t end up with a full one party Russian style system?
    I'd prefer not to think about that at the moment. lol
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