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Kat

Biden

I'm thinking about the officials who actually certify election results. Are they honest? Are they non-political? Are they political appointees? I don't know who they are. Fingers and toes crossed. No one is actually elected until they announce actual counts.

ADDED: https://www.archives.gov/files/electoral-college/key-dates.pdf

static111

Biden

The Juggler said:

static111 said:

So what happens if Trump actually wins. Fairly wins, not wins through a cheat or refuses to concede defeat?  Obviously fascism, etc. but how will that reshape politics if we don’t end up with a full one party Russian style system?

I'd prefer not to think about that at the moment. lol

I was just having some real anxiety over the weekend thinking about that.  I think the DNC is currently playing it too safe.  I’m worried that the polling could be off because people could be lying to the pollsters etc.  Also I’m feeling the same general unease that I felt in 2016 in regards to how close to the vest some people are playing their support of Trump.  I think there is something to be said about that silent majority, I don’t think it’s just a bunch of Hicks and Qs, I think there are a lot of folks that like conservative law and order, free market mythology that are just keeping quiet.

Kat

Biden

More election information:

NBC News
Trump's off base about what happens if there's no clear election winner. Here's the deal.

The president says Pelosi could become president by the end of the year. That's not quite right.

Aug. 24, 2020, 4:00 AM CDT By Pete Williams

President Donald Trump told followers last week that the speaker of the House might succeed him in office if the election result isn't known by December.

"There's a theory that, if you don't have it by the end of the year, crazy Nancy Pelosi would become president," he said.

Pelosi is in the presidential line of succession, but Trump's got the timing wrong and such an outcome is highly unlikely in any event.

Most presidential elections go so smoothly that little attention is paid to how they actually work (with the most recent exception of 2000) — and to the fact that only 538 people vote directly for president and vice president. They're the presidential electors making up what's known as the Electoral College.

The number of electors each state gets is equal to its seats in the U.S. House plus two for its U.S. senators. California has the most, with 55. Seven of the most sparsely populated states and the District of Columbia have three each.

Before the election, each state political party chooses a slate of people to act as presidential electors if its candidate wins. So when voters go to the polls, they're actually choosing between different slates of electors. Some states even print their names on the ballot along with the candidates.

In 48 states and Washington, D.C., the popular vote determines which slate of electors is chosen, winner take all. In Maine and Nebraska, some electors are chosen in individual congressional districts, some by the statewide vote. A total of 33 states require electors to vote for the winner of the popular vote, and the U.S. Supreme Court in July upheld state laws that prohibit what are known as "faithless electors," who refuse to vote for the popular vote winner at the Electoral College.

The electors meet in December to cast their votes, which are tabulated before a joint session of Congress on Jan. 6, the day of actual presidential vote count.

The Constitution gives Congress authority to set the date for the general election, which is the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November — Nov. 3 this year. Congress has also determined that the Electoral College meets the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December. That will be Dec. 14 this year — 41 days after the general election.

Federal law also provides that if a state conclusively chooses its slate of electors up to six days before the Electoral College meets, Congress must consider those votes valid on the counting day in January. This is known as the "safe harbor" deadline. The Supreme Court said Florida's desire to meet it was a key reason the court stopped the vote counting there in 2000, making George W. Bush the winner.

If a state wishes to take advantage of that provision, it has only 35 days after the election to decide who won.

In most recent elections, the results were clear within several hours after the polls closed. But it's bound to be different this time, with estimates that over half of the votes will be cast by mail. In many states, envelopes containing those ballots won't even be opened until the polls close. And before they're counted, they must be checked to verify that they were validly cast.

"If you can't start the process early, then you are making it virtually certain, with the number of ballots states are going to have, that they're not going to have the results for a week or so," said Rick Pildes, an election law expert at New York University law school. "That problem drives me crazy."

continued at
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-s-base-about-what-happens-if-there-s-no-n1237783

The Juggler

Biden

static111 said:

The Juggler said:

static111 said:

So what happens if Trump actually wins. Fairly wins, not wins through a cheat or refuses to concede defeat?  Obviously fascism, etc. but how will that reshape politics if we don’t end up with a full one party Russian style system?

I'd prefer not to think about that at the moment. lol

I was just having some real anxiety over the weekend thinking about that.  I think the DNC is currently playing it too safe.  I’m worried that the polling could be off because people could be lying to the pollsters etc.  Also I’m feeling the same general unease that I felt in 2016 in regards to how close to the vest some people are playing their support of Trump.  I think there is something to be said about that silent majority, I don’t think it’s just a bunch of Hicks and Qs, I think there are a lot of folks that like conservative law and order, free market mythology that are just keeping quiet.

Well I would say there is no silent majority and there never was one as Trump has literally never had the support of the majority of Americans, even when winning the election. If anything they are a vocal minority. 

Also would not worry about the polling too much. It is real steady and, compared to 2016, we also have Trump's general approval numbers to compare it with.

Playing it safe is something I might be concerned with though. I was hoping to hear Biden say, last  night, that they would start traveling around a bit more. As much as staying home has worked over the last four months, I still think they're gonna have to get out there more after Labor Day. Trump is doing that in a smaller capacity than his stupid mega rallies. Hopefully Biden can do something similar, outside with masks and social distancing. 

My biggest worry is still Trump stealing the election through voter suppression/fucking with the post office, and covid getting worse which causes more people to stay home. 

I'm also anticipating some bullshit bombshell (Durham or something else) coming out before the debates in hopes of throwing Biden off.....though I will say Biden has been pretty sharp lately. He looked good in that interview last night. 

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

Halifax2TheMax said:

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mrussel1 said:

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PJPOWER said:

static111 said:

I still think that if he pledges to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 drug list and expunge all small time marijuana offenses he will win in a landslide and cement the support of the progressives that are still having second thoughts about the effectiveness of the 2 party system

I agree!  I’ll vote for whoever decides to legalize MJ federally.  Talk about laws rooted in racism.

The law is rooted in industrialization.  Hemp was a threat to the timber industry. 

Probably, but it's evolution, enforcement, and punishment have been rooted in racism.

Yes,  it has disproportionately affected minorities,  but racism was not behind the original intent. 

Semantics, anyway.  If Biden approached the mic and said "I'm going to do everything I can to make marijuana legal" I would go from thinking he's going to lose to thinking he's going to win.  Libertarians who don't love Trump but think he's less evil, people disinterested in voting, third party voters who think "they're both the same"... some of those people would be swayed.  And it's not going to take that many to push Biden over the top in the states that matter.

I don't really think there are many people left who think MJ should be illegal.  And I think essentially nobody would make that their "big issue."  Most people who are hard-core about that probably don't vote Democrat very often anyway.

Do it, Joe!

Politically it’s a losing issue. Better to have dems send him a bill to sign or after being elected stating he’ll take a serious look at the issue, talk to the states that legalized it and see what the science says about harm, etc. Coming right out and saying it should be legalized or decriminalized allows the opposition to paint him as a “pusher man, sending our kids into a life of drug dependency.” Plus, stoners don’t get off the couch and don’t know when Election Day is.

   

gimmesometruth27

Biden

i just saw joe came out and said that he wants to give more money to police to make them change that way.

last time obama did that they fucking militarized and bought tanks.

biden is actually trying to lose the BLM vote. fucking moron. gonna snatch defeat out of the hands of victory.

Gern Blansten

Biden

gimmesometruth27 said:

i just saw joe came out and said that he wants to give more money to police to make them change that way.

last time obama did that they fucking militarized and bought tanks.

biden is actually trying to lose the BLM vote. fucking moron. gonna snatch defeat out of the hands of victory.

But he referred to police needing psychologists and psychiatrists....not tanks

Lerxst1992

The Juggler said:

static111 said:

The Juggler said:

static111 said:

So what happens if Trump actually wins. Fairly wins, not wins through a cheat or refuses to concede defeat?  Obviously fascism, etc. but how will that reshape politics if we don’t end up with a full one party Russian style system?

I'd prefer not to think about that at the moment. lol

I was just having some real anxiety over the weekend thinking about that.  I think the DNC is currently playing it too safe.  I’m worried that the polling could be off because people could be lying to the pollsters etc.  Also I’m feeling the same general unease that I felt in 2016 in regards to how close to the vest some people are playing their support of Trump.  I think there is something to be said about that silent majority, I don’t think it’s just a bunch of Hicks and Qs, I think there are a lot of folks that like conservative law and order, free market mythology that are just keeping quiet.

Well I would say there is no silent majority and there never was one as Trump has literally never had the support of the majority of Americans, even when winning the election. If anything they are a vocal minority. 

Also would not worry about the polling too much. It is real steady and, compared to 2016, we also have Trump's general approval numbers to compare it with.

Playing it safe is something I might be concerned with though. I was hoping to hear Biden say, last  night, that they would start traveling around a bit more. As much as staying home has worked over the last four months, I still think they're gonna have to get out there more after Labor Day. Trump is doing that in a smaller capacity than his stupid mega rallies. Hopefully Biden can do something similar, outside with masks and social distancing. 

My biggest worry is still Trump stealing the election through voter suppression/fucking with the post office, and covid getting worse which causes more people to stay home. 

I'm also anticipating some bullshit bombshell (Durham or something else) coming out before the debates in hopes of throwing Biden off.....though I will say Biden has been pretty sharp lately. He looked good in that interview last night. 

I think you hit all the points, trump will try all of the above to get elected -everything and anything. The post office is very concerning. I was hoping some big democratic money would start a real GOTV superpac, now that early voting is here. Not the usually silliness of knocking on doors, but actually helping voters get their ballots to drop off points so we don’t need to rely on the mail. Democrats on TV news love to go on air and cry about what trump is doing but rarely do they use their vast political donations in new and creative ways. 

The Juggler

Biden

Lerxst1992 said:

The Juggler said:

static111 said:

The Juggler said:

static111 said:

So what happens if Trump actually wins. Fairly wins, not wins through a cheat or refuses to concede defeat?  Obviously fascism, etc. but how will that reshape politics if we don’t end up with a full one party Russian style system?

I'd prefer not to think about that at the moment. lol

I was just having some real anxiety over the weekend thinking about that.  I think the DNC is currently playing it too safe.  I’m worried that the polling could be off because people could be lying to the pollsters etc.  Also I’m feeling the same general unease that I felt in 2016 in regards to how close to the vest some people are playing their support of Trump.  I think there is something to be said about that silent majority, I don’t think it’s just a bunch of Hicks and Qs, I think there are a lot of folks that like conservative law and order, free market mythology that are just keeping quiet.

Well I would say there is no silent majority and there never was one as Trump has literally never had the support of the majority of Americans, even when winning the election. If anything they are a vocal minority. 

Also would not worry about the polling too much. It is real steady and, compared to 2016, we also have Trump's general approval numbers to compare it with.

Playing it safe is something I might be concerned with though. I was hoping to hear Biden say, last  night, that they would start traveling around a bit more. As much as staying home has worked over the last four months, I still think they're gonna have to get out there more after Labor Day. Trump is doing that in a smaller capacity than his stupid mega rallies. Hopefully Biden can do something similar, outside with masks and social distancing. 

My biggest worry is still Trump stealing the election through voter suppression/fucking with the post office, and covid getting worse which causes more people to stay home. 

I'm also anticipating some bullshit bombshell (Durham or something else) coming out before the debates in hopes of throwing Biden off.....though I will say Biden has been pretty sharp lately. He looked good in that interview last night. 

I think you hit all the points, trump will try all of the above to get elected -everything and anything. The post office is very concerning. I was hoping some big democratic money would start a real GOTV superpac, now that early voting is here. Not the usually silliness of knocking on doors, but actually helping voters get their ballots to drop off points so we don’t need to rely on the mail. Democrats on TV news love to go on air and cry about what trump is doing but rarely do they use their vast political donations in new and creative ways. 

Priorities USA is about to launch a big ad campaign urging people to vote early-

https://priorities.org/press/priorities-usa-action-and-senate-majority-pac-launch-new-multimillion-dollar-ads-program-urging-voters-to-request-mail-in-ballots/

DE4173

Biden

Voting Biden in Oklahoma

The Juggler

Biden

DE4173 said:

Voting Biden in Oklahoma

You're a Great American!

mrussel1

Biden

DE4173 said:

Voting Biden in Oklahoma

Thanks Morty, good to have you on board.  Now do something about the other 60% of that state. 

gimmesometruth27

Biden

i love that meme!!

The Juggler

Biden

My god this is terrible

Halifax2TheMax

The Juggler said:

My god this is terrible

WHAT? CAN YOU SPEAK UP A LITTLE MORE?

The Juggler

Biden

Junior appears to have tears coming out of his eyes 

Halifax2TheMax

The Juggler said:

Junior appears to have tears coming out of his eyes 

Last opportunity to garner Daddy’s approval and maybe love. Nah, no love.

darwinstheory

Biden

The Juggler said:

static111 said:

The Juggler said:

static111 said:

So what happens if Trump actually wins. Fairly wins, not wins through a cheat or refuses to concede defeat?  Obviously fascism, etc. but how will that reshape politics if we don’t end up with a full one party Russian style system?

I'd prefer not to think about that at the moment. lol

I was just having some real anxiety over the weekend thinking about that.  I think the DNC is currently playing it too safe.  I’m worried that the polling could be off because people could be lying to the pollsters etc.  Also I’m feeling the same general unease that I felt in 2016 in regards to how close to the vest some people are playing their support of Trump.  I think there is something to be said about that silent majority, I don’t think it’s just a bunch of Hicks and Qs, I think there are a lot of folks that like conservative law and order, free market mythology that are just keeping quiet.

Well I would say there is no silent majority and there never was one as Trump has literally never had the support of the majority of Americans, even when winning the election. If anything they are a vocal minority. 

Also would not worry about the polling too much. It is real steady and, compared to 2016, we also have Trump's general approval numbers to compare it with.

Playing it safe is something I might be concerned with though. I was hoping to hear Biden say, last  night, that they would start traveling around a bit more. As much as staying home has worked over the last four months, I still think they're gonna have to get out there more after Labor Day. Trump is doing that in a smaller capacity than his stupid mega rallies. Hopefully Biden can do something similar, outside with masks and social distancing. 

My biggest worry is still Trump stealing the election through voter suppression/fucking with the post office, and covid getting worse which causes more people to stay home. 

I'm also anticipating some bullshit bombshell (Durham or something else) coming out before the debates in hopes of throwing Biden off.....though I will say Biden has been pretty sharp lately. He looked good in that interview last night. 

Reminds me of a cheesy I made up a couple years ago:

Q: How do you know someone is a trump supporter? 

A: They will be DAMN SURE TO TELL YOU!

Gern Blansten

Biden

I'm seeing chatter on twitter about the Dems wanting to have a hearing regarding Eric Trump given his recent issues with New York.  Behind the scenes they might be threatening to drag his ass in if the GOP pushes the Hunter Biden bullshit.

Eric pleading the 5th yesterday is much deeper than anything related to Hunter Biden as far as I can tell.

static111

Biden

Anyone else think it’s hilarious that the RNC is using the same plan of attack on Safe choice Joe Moderate Dem re:radical, socialist etc. That the DNC was worried about with Crazy Socialist Bernie.