*** DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED FOR A SECOND TIME *** (392 days after the first)

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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,387
    brianlux said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A majority of Americans want to see POOTWH impeached. It needs to happen and the repubs need to grow a set and follow through, third party and primary challenges be damned. Lindsey Flimsy Flip Flop Faloozy's, Crud's, Randy's and Rube's explanations to the contrary are ridiculous. Get them on record for defending that POS. Again.

    POOTWH?  Say what?  Is that like pooty?
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  • mcgruff10
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    brianlux said:
    So let's assume the long shot happens and the Senate votes to impeach Trump and he is not able to run for POTUS again.  We still may very well have Donald Jr. to contend with, correct?
    Yeah of course.   I don’t see him running but who knows.  I guess we will see in two years.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    So let's assume the long shot happens and the Senate votes to impeach Trump and he is not able to run for POTUS again.  We still may very well have Donald Jr. to contend with, correct?
    Yeah of course.   I don’t see him running but who knows.  I guess we will see in two years.  
    if he's knee deep in litigation, we'll never hear from them again. 
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  • Lerxst1992
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    So let's assume the long shot happens and the Senate votes to impeach Trump and he is not able to run for POTUS again.  We still may very well have Donald Jr. to contend with, correct?
    Yeah of course.   I don’t see him running but who knows.  I guess we will see in two years.  
    if he's knee deep in litigation, we'll never hear from them again. 

    If we are talking about running for president, then litigation would not stop trump or junior as even felons are welcome to become president of the US. But please don’t let them vote in Florida
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    So let's assume the long shot happens and the Senate votes to impeach Trump and he is not able to run for POTUS again.  We still may very well have Donald Jr. to contend with, correct?
    Yeah of course.   I don’t see him running but who knows.  I guess we will see in two years.  
    if he's knee deep in litigation, we'll never hear from them again. 

    If we are talking about running for president, then litigation would not stop trump or junior as even felons are welcome to become president of the US. But please don’t let them vote in Florida
    but they'd also be drained for cash. and didn't they have a tough time coming anywhere near Biden's numbers in fundraising? it's almost impossible to tell how it will be in 2 or 4 years. that's a lifetime nowadays. 
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  • brianlux
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    benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A majority of Americans want to see POOTWH impeached. It needs to happen and the repubs need to grow a set and follow through, third party and primary challenges be damned. Lindsey Flimsy Flip Flop Faloozy's, Crud's, Randy's and Rube's explanations to the contrary are ridiculous. Get them on record for defending that POS. Again.

    POOTWH?  Say what?  Is that like pooty?
    I'm still proud of SCROTUMS (So-Called Ruler Of The United (Mostly) States)

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    From the NYT impeachment email:

    Welcome back to the Impeachment Briefing. I’m Maggie Astor, a politics reporter who will be taking over from Noah Weiland this time around.
    What happened today

    • At about 7 p.m., the House of Representatives delivered its article of impeachment against Donald J. Trump to the Senate, charging him with incitement of insurrection. This is a ceremonial and highly choreographed procedure in which the House impeachment managers physically carry the document across the Capitol.
    • After walking the article through the halls that a mob ransacked just weeks ago, the lead impeachment manager — Representative Jamie Raskin, Democrat of Maryland — read it on the Senate floor. The article is four pages long, and reading it took about five minutes.
    • The article states that when Mr. Trump addressed his supporters on Jan. 6, he “willfully made statements that, in context, encouraged — and foreseeably resulted in — lawless action at the Capitol.”
    • It also notes his previous efforts to subvert the election results and says his actions “threatened the integrity of the democratic system, interfered with the peaceful transition of power, and imperiled a coequal branch of government.”
    • Officials confirmed that Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, would preside over the trial in his role as president pro tempore of the Senate. Normally, the chief justice of the United States presides over such trials, but the fact that Mr. Trump is no longer in office creates some wiggle room.



    The last two weeks
    If you’re finding it hard to believe it has been only 12 days since the House voted to impeach Mr. Trump, we can’t blame you. A lot has happened since then.

    The biggest thing that happened, of course, is that President Biden was inaugurated, lessening the practical implications of the impeachment trial. But the trial is still highly significant — both as a public signal of how much Republicans are willing to tolerate from a leader of their party, and because if the Senate were to convict Mr. Trump, it could vote to bar him from running again.
    Many Republican senators have argued that Mr. Trump’s departure makes impeachment a pointlessly divisive exercise, and if he is ultimately acquitted, it may be for that reason: The timing allows Republicans to take issue with procedure, rather than defending Mr. Trump’s actions.

    Senators Chuck Schumer of New York and Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Democratic and Republican leaders, reached an agreement last week to delay the trial for two weeks, to allow time both for Mr. Trump’s lawyers to prepare their defense and for the Senate to work on confirming more of Mr. Biden’s cabinet nominees.



    What happens next
    Impeachment is now officially in the Senate’s hands, but the trial won’t start until Feb. 9. We talked to Nicholas Fandos, one of The Times’s congressional reporters, about what’s in store.

    What happens in the two weeks before the trial starts?
    On Tuesday, the Senate will convene as a court of impeachment for the first time so that senators can take an oath to administer “impartial justice” and issue a summons to Mr. Trump to answer the charge against him. But after that, the trial will essentially be put on pause until Feb. 9 to allow the prosecution and defense to draw up and submit a series of written briefs laying out their arguments. In the meantime, the Senate will go on working on confirmation of nominees to President Biden’s cabinet.

    Once the trial starts, can we expect it to run similarly to the last impeachment trial?
    We expect the substantive part of the trial to look roughly similar to the one last year, just on fast-forward. Each side will get to present its case, senators will have time to question them, and the chamber will vote on whether to call for additional witness testimony. That should all take place in just three or four days.

    If senators do want to hear from witnesses, that could increase the length of the trial by weeks. But if not, there could be a vote to convict or acquit Mr. Trump by the end of the week of Feb. 8.
    Are there open questions that you hope will be answered in the next two weeks?

    The two biggest questions right now are where Republicans will land on Mr. Trump’s guilt and whether they will want to hear from additional witnesses. Conceivably, any senators could announce their positions on those issues in the next two weeks, but my guess is that they will bite their tongue, bide their time and wait until February to make those calls.



    What else we’re reading
    • Two weeks before the impeachment trial begins, the Senate’s divisions are already hardening. Senator Mitt Romney of Utah, who cast the only Republican vote to convict Mr. Trump the first time he was impeached, seems prepared to do so again, while many other Republicans are bashing the decision to hold a trial at all.
    • Representative Eric Swalwell of California, one of the House impeachment managers, appeared on MSNBC to argue for the constitutionality of holding a Senate trial against someone who is no longer president. He cited the 1876 impeachment trial of William Belknap, which was held after he had resigned as war secretary.

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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    why would it be unconstitutional for a president to be tried by the senate after leaving office? if an accused dies during trial, they most times DON'T finish the trial, but they are legally allowed to. 

    if it is the only way to bar someone from holding public office again, then it's for sure constitutional in my eyes. 
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  • OnWis97
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    why would it be unconstitutional for a president to be tried by the senate after leaving office? if an accused dies during trial, they most times DON'T finish the trial, but they are legally allowed to. 

    if it is the only way to bar someone from holding public office again, then it's for sure constitutional in my eyes. 
    Remember when Trump could not be brought to justice because he was president? Now he cannot be brought to justice because he's not president.
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  • pjhawks
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    why would it be unconstitutional for a president to be tried by the senate after leaving office? if an accused dies during trial, they most times DON'T finish the trial, but they are legally allowed to. 

    if it is the only way to bar someone from holding public office again, then it's for sure constitutional in my eyes. 
    because rules and logic don't matter to the republicans. they are just so far gone as a Party at this point.   
  • The Juggler
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    OnWis97 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    why would it be unconstitutional for a president to be tried by the senate after leaving office? if an accused dies during trial, they most times DON'T finish the trial, but they are legally allowed to. 

    if it is the only way to bar someone from holding public office again, then it's for sure constitutional in my eyes. 
    Remember when Trump could not be brought to justice because he was president? Now he cannot be brought to justice because he's not president.
    Just a bullshit way of avoiding talking about the impeachable act he committed while president. Political weaklings. All of them. 

    Hopefully the 5 who voted with the dems today also vote to convict.


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  • gimmesometruth27
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    even if he is not convicted, the dems have enough video evidence of him inciting insurrection. they will have enough video evidence of gop senators defending him that they can run campaign ads against them literally til the end of time.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    even if he is not convicted, the dems have enough video evidence of him inciting insurrection. they will have enough video evidence of gop senators defending him that they can run campaign ads against them literally til the end of time.
    Did someone say end of times?
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  • mickeyrat
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    bump, just cuz....
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     12:31 p.m.
    Pelosi says Trump impeachment trial ‘will honor the Constitution by establishing justice’
    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Thursday defended Democrats’ efforts to move forward with a Senate impeachment trial of Trump, declaring that they are doing so in an effort to defend the Constitution and maintaining that “there is no opportunity cost” in doing so.
    “Peace is not just the absence of dissension; it is the presence of justice,” Pelosi told reporters at her weekly news conference. “So we will honor the Constitution by establishing justice.”
    Pelosi argued that if Democrats were to refrain from holding a trial, “we might as well remove any penalty from the Constitution of impeachment; just take it out.” But America’s founders, she said, were fearful of two things — “a demagogue and a mob” — and that’s “exactly what descended” on Jan. 6.
    The speaker also took a jab at the brief filed this week by Trump’s defense team, which misspelled “the United States,” among other words.
    The Democratic impeachment managers, Pelosi said, “have been very, shall we say, silent, hard-working, brilliant in terms of what we saw in the brief, not only wise, but — you might appreciate, well-written — and no spelling mistakes of ‘the United States.’”
    Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said in his floor remarks Thursday that the Senate “will move forward with a fair and speedy trial.”
    “The House managers will present their case,” Schumer said. “The former president’s counsel will mount a defense, and senators will have to look deep into their consciences and determine if Donald Trump is guilty, and if so, ever qualified again to enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.”
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  • Kat
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    House Impeachment Managers want trump to testify under oath in Senate trial.

    Falling down,...not staying down
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    Kat said:
    House Impeachment Managers want trump to testify under oath in Senate trial.


  • JeBurkhardt
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    Kat said:
    House Impeachment Managers want trump to testify under oath in Senate trial.

    CSPAN is going PPV for that! 
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,618
    JeBurkhardt said:
    Kat said:
    House Impeachment Managers want trump to testify under oath in Senate trial.

    CSPAN is going PPV for that! 
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  • Bentleyspop
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    edited February 2021
    Kat said:
    House Impeachment Managers want trump to testify under oath in Senate trial.

    He won't testify.
    He can't without perjuring himself

    Trump quickly rejects impeachment managers' request for testimony at impeachment trial https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/04/politics/impeachment-trial-trump-testify/index.html
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