Okay, this really is a dumb question, but I'm jumping in late and don't want to wade through 78 pages...if I were to sell on F2F, do I have any say in who actually buys my tix, or do I just have to put them out there where they simply get purchased by the first person who wants them?
Just wondering because I want to swap a pair with another person I met here for the same show, it's a win-win, this person gets better seats but I get to sit with my wife and kid.
But logistically it would just be easier for both of us if I could sell my tix to her and she hers to me, instead of us having to meet, etc.
Anyway, I'm 99% sure we can't use the fan exchange this way, but just wanted to confirm.
You can’t specify who they get sold to. Why not just meet the person there and swap seats when you’re inside?
Well, I'm selling them GA tix, and I assume they have to enter the venue with me to get the GA wrist bands...
Succeeded in getting 2 good Oakland tickets to the 10clubber that wanted them yesterday. It is possible. Communicate through PM's with buyer and coordinate a time. Doesn't even matter what time. We did 9pst am and easy peasy. Baltimore is the only real exception. I doubt this thread would even exist without Baltimore.
I actually thought about that, trying it at midnight or something...but the problem would be if one of us gets the others but the others get snatched up by someone else!
Succeeded in getting 2 good Oakland tickets to the 10clubber that wanted them yesterday. It is possible. Communicate through PM's with buyer and coordinate a time. Doesn't even matter what time. We did 9pst am and easy peasy. Baltimore is the only real exception. I doubt this thread would even exist without Baltimore.
I actually thought about that, trying it at midnight or something...but the problem would be if one of us gets the others but the others get snatched up by someone else!
I know this probably isn't optimal, but if you're trying to pull this off I'd suggest waiting for a week or two (AND doing it in the middle of the night).
Succeeded in getting 2 good Oakland tickets to the 10clubber that wanted them yesterday. It is possible. Communicate through PM's with buyer and coordinate a time. Doesn't even matter what time. We did 9pst am and easy peasy. Baltimore is the only real exception. I doubt this thread would even exist without Baltimore.
I actually thought about that, trying it at midnight or something...but the problem would be if one of us gets the others but the others get snatched up by someone else!
Yeah, that’s a big risk. I think you are best to meet at venue and swap log ins or phones briefly when you are walking in. Only issue with that is the one with GA may want to go in much earlier than you.
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Succeeded in getting 2 good Oakland tickets to the 10clubber that wanted them yesterday. It is possible. Communicate through PM's with buyer and coordinate a time. Doesn't even matter what time. We did 9pst am and easy peasy. Baltimore is the only real exception. I doubt this thread would even exist without Baltimore.
I actually thought about that, trying it at midnight or something...but the problem would be if one of us gets the others but the others get snatched up by someone else!
Yeah, that’s a big risk. I think you are best to meet at venue and swap log ins or phones briefly when you are walking in. Only issue with that is the one with GA may want to go in much earlier than you.
If there's a trust relationship with you and the other couple then you could just swap logins to your ticketmaster accounts for the night and walk in as normal since the login to the app effectively is the ticket. Otherwise you're back to walking in together.
Good suggestions, but as MakeUSmile said, the GA folks probably want to go a lot earlier, and to Chr1spy's suggestion, I actually bought two (crappy!) tix in Verified Fan for that show, so those two friends have to go in with me (or use my TM login, I guess I could give it to both, have the GAs use it for theirs and my other friends for the other two)...anyway, it's all complicated one way or the other. But such is the nature of the beast with the band trying to get a lot of cheap, good tix to 10c members, the price is the overly elaborate system!
Sorry if this was already suggested. But it would save everyone a lot of time, effort, and anxiety if TM would just do a weekly lottery via Verified Fan for these tix. They could give priority to everyone wait listed the first time around and then throw everyone in it each week up until show time.
StubHub. Colorado insists on protecting the scalper market.
Or consumers' right to dispose of their property as they wish.
A concert ticket isn't property. It can be revoked, cancelled, you can be ejected, etc.
Thoughts and prayers to the "consumer" in this instance.
Correct. It's a license, not property.
The states of NY and CO disagree. It's a piece of property that grants you a right of entry. At that point you can forfeit the property for violating the venue's rules that you agreed to when you purchased the ticket.
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StubHub. Colorado insists on protecting the scalper market.
Or consumers' right to dispose of their property as they wish.
I think you have this backwards. NY and CO are the states that impose marketplace restrictions (by making it illegal to sell non-transferable tickets). The other states allow actors in the marketplace (in this case, concert venues, promoters & artists) to dispose of their property (in the form of limited licenses comprising a clearly defined package of rights) as they wish.
So how is it backwards? NY and CO protect consumers. Other states allow corporate behemoths to screw the little guy.
StubHub. Colorado insists on protecting the scalper market.
Or consumers' right to dispose of their property as they wish.
I think you have this backwards. NY and CO are the states that impose marketplace restrictions (by making it illegal to sell non-transferable tickets). The other states allow actors in the marketplace (in this case, concert venues, promoters & artists) to dispose of their property (in the form of limited licenses comprising a clearly defined package of rights) as they wish.
So how is it backwards? NY and CO protect consumers. Other states allow corporate behemoths to screw the little guy.
There are thousands of fans in the other states who have tickets to these shows because the scalpers were kept out. Those tickets were advertised as being non-transferable, several times in very clear ways, before the sales occurred. Those fans got exactly what they bargained for, and if this thread is any indication not many of them are interested in getting any refunds. Explain to me how they have been screwed by any corporate behemoths.
Sorry if this was already suggested. But it would save everyone a lot of time, effort, and anxiety if TM would just do a weekly lottery via Verified Fan for these tix. They could give priority to everyone wait listed the first time around and then throw everyone in it each week up until show time.
It feels like the argument for a random entry into the pit at concerts. We're asking people to put in more effort to save us from ourselves... lol.
We need those 60 year olds to figure out how to sell
'I don't know Sally! I'm hitting the button on the thing, but it won't let me do it! See....it doesn't work. I keep clicking the thing but nothing is happening. All it keeps saying is Message from yahoo.com. Unable to deliver message to the following address(es). Requested mail action aborted, user suspended or mailbox
not found. Jesus Christ, I wish we just never bought these things. Call the kids and see if they know how to do this. I've had it already.'
😂
You guys do realize that the entire band was born in the '60s, right? Matt's 57....
Sorry if this was already suggested. But it would save everyone a lot of time, effort, and anxiety if TM would just do a weekly lottery via Verified Fan for these tix. They could give priority to everyone wait listed the first time around and then throw everyone in it each week up until show time.
It feels like the argument for a random entry into the pit at concerts. We're asking people to put in more effort to save us from ourselves... lol.
Yeah, there is no perfect solution. But the odds of getting selected and then getting tix through VF are probably not much different than the odds of getting tix hitting F5 all day. People just like to feel that they are in control of their destiny.
Sorry if this was already suggested. But it would save everyone a lot of time, effort, and anxiety if TM would just do a weekly lottery via Verified Fan for these tix. They could give priority to everyone wait listed the first time around and then throw everyone in it each week up until show time.
It feels like the argument for a random entry into the pit at concerts. We're asking people to put in more effort to save us from ourselves... lol.
Yeah, there is no perfect solution. But the odds of getting selected and then getting tix through VF are probably not much different than the odds of getting tix hitting F5 all day. People just like to feel that they are in control of their destiny.
The odds through a VF option would be much less. How many people out there right now are really plugging away at F5? A few hundred maybe? A Verified Fan option with a specific onsale time would see a lot more people trying for the same few number of tickets.
Sorry if this was already suggested. But it would save everyone a lot of time, effort, and anxiety if TM would just do a weekly lottery via Verified Fan for these tix. They could give priority to everyone wait listed the first time around and then throw everyone in it each week up until show time.
It feels like the argument for a random entry into the pit at concerts. We're asking people to put in more effort to save us from ourselves... lol.
Yeah, there is no perfect solution. But the odds of getting selected and then getting tix through VF are probably not much different than the odds of getting tix hitting F5 all day. People just like to feel that they are in control of their destiny.
The odds through a VF option would be much less. How many people out there right now are really plugging away at F5? A few hundred maybe? A Verified Fan option with a specific onsale time would see a lot more people trying for the same few number of tickets.
You are probably right, especially with limited tour dates. As has been said over and over again the demand for tix is much greater than the available number of tickets. Hopefully the fall tour will be a little easier to land tickets.
StubHub. Colorado insists on protecting the scalper market.
Or consumers' right to dispose of their property as they wish.
I think you have this backwards. NY and CO are the states that impose marketplace restrictions (by making it illegal to sell non-transferable tickets). The other states allow actors in the marketplace (in this case, concert venues, promoters & artists) to dispose of their property (in the form of limited licenses comprising a clearly defined package of rights) as they wish.
So how is it backwards? NY and CO protect consumers. Other states allow corporate behemoths to screw the little guy.
There are thousands of fans in the other states who have tickets to these shows because the scalpers were kept out. Those tickets were advertised as being non-transferable, several times in very clear ways, before the sales occurred. Those fans got exactly what they bargained for, and if this thread is any indication not many of them are interested in getting any refunds. Explain to me how they have been screwed by any corporate behemoths.
You didn't answer my question. No one disputes that prohibiting transfers helped the pearl jam fans who actually got tickets to these shows. But that doesn't explain how my statement that NY and CO law protects consumers' rights to dispose of their property is backwards.
Came here to post the same thing! Someone got lucky .
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2006-5-09 Toronto
2007-8-03 (ed w/ ben harper) chicago / 2007-8-05 chicago
2008-8-12 (ed solo) toronto
2009-10-08 (ed solo) Albany
2011-9-11 Toronto / 2011-9-12 Toronto
2013-7-16 London, ON / 2013-7-19 Chicago / 2013-10-12 Buffalo
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Came here to post the same thing! Someone got lucky .
That’s why I’m here
1996.....Toronto 2005.....Hamilton 2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton 2013.....London, Buffalo 2014.....Detroit 2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1 2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2 2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto 2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2 2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2 2025.....????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
We need those 60 year olds to figure out how to sell
'I don't know Sally! I'm hitting the button on the thing, but it won't let me do it! See....it doesn't work. I keep clicking the thing but nothing is happening. All it keeps saying is Message from yahoo.com. Unable to deliver message to the following address(es). Requested mail action aborted, user suspended or mailbox
not found. Jesus Christ, I wish we just never bought these things. Call the kids and see if they know how to do this. I've had it already.'
😂
You guys do realize that the entire band was born in the '60s, right? Matt's 57....
Yes of course! I am no ageist lol. I was just playing off a joke someone made earlier. Trying to keep ourselves entertained during this marathon of disappointment. Didn’t mean any harm by it!
Sorry if this was already suggested. But it would save everyone a lot of time, effort, and anxiety if TM would just do a weekly lottery via Verified Fan for these tix. They could give priority to everyone wait listed the first time around and then throw everyone in it each week up until show time.
It feels like the argument for a random entry into the pit at concerts. We're asking people to put in more effort to save us from ourselves... lol.
Yeah, there is no perfect solution. But the odds of getting selected and then getting tix through VF are probably not much different than the odds of getting tix hitting F5 all day. People just like to feel that they are in control of their destiny.
The odds through a VF option would be much less. How many people out there right now are really plugging away at F5? A few hundred maybe? A Verified Fan option with a specific onsale time would see a lot more people trying for the same few number of tickets.
I'm hoping as people find tickets it will get easier. Less competition but also fewer tickets. I'm pinning my hopes on picking something up in the middle of March.
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StubHub. Colorado insists on protecting the scalper market.
Or consumers' right to dispose of their property as they wish.
I think you have this backwards. NY and CO are the states that impose marketplace restrictions (by making it illegal to sell non-transferable tickets). The other states allow actors in the marketplace (in this case, concert venues, promoters & artists) to dispose of their property (in the form of limited licenses comprising a clearly defined package of rights) as they wish.
So how is it backwards? NY and CO protect consumers. Other states allow corporate behemoths to screw the little guy.
There are thousands of fans in the other states who have tickets to these shows because the scalpers were kept out. Those tickets were advertised as being non-transferable, several times in very clear ways, before the sales occurred. Those fans got exactly what they bargained for, and if this thread is any indication not many of them are interested in getting any refunds. Explain to me how they have been screwed by any corporate behemoths.
You didn't answer my question. No one disputes that prohibiting transfers helped the pearl jam fans who actually got tickets to these shows. But that doesn't explain how my statement that NY and CO law protects consumers' rights to dispose of their property is backwards.
OK. Here is the answer to your question: you said (if I'm reading your initial post correctly) that Colorado insists on protecting consumers' right to dipose of their property as they wish. This is backwards because Colorado and New York are the states that affirmatively limit the ability of people to dispose of their property as they wish. As several others have pointed out, tickets are not property in a legal sense; they are licenses that a property owner can sell to others to use the property for limited purposes (you seem to disagree with this, but you are wrong). In 48 states, the property owners are free to sell either fully transferable or non-transferable tickets, and consumers are able to buy or not buy those tickets at their discretion. In NY and CO, the state intervenes to prohibit property owners from offering a certain type of license, and therefore prevent consumers from buying it if they wish.
Also, the notion that the state laws in NY and CO were enacted for the purpose of protecting "consumers" is a bullshit PR talking point. They were enacted to protect the business of ticket resellers.
Now answer my question: how have the fans in the other states been screwed?
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Ottawa - '16, '20, '22
Hamilton - '20, '22
Matt's 57....
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Toronto - '96, '00, '03, '05, '06, '16, '20, '22
Ottawa - '16, '20, '22
Hamilton - '20, '22
Came here to post the same thing! Someone got lucky .
2006-5-09 Toronto
2007-8-03 (ed w/ ben harper) chicago / 2007-8-05 chicago
2008-8-12 (ed solo) toronto
2009-10-08 (ed solo) Albany
2011-9-11 Toronto / 2011-9-12 Toronto
2013-7-16 London, ON / 2013-7-19 Chicago / 2013-10-12 Buffalo
2016-5-11 Toronto, On / 2016-5-13 Toronto, On
2005.....Hamilton
2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton
2013.....London, Buffalo
2014.....Detroit
2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1
2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2
2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2
2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2
2025.....????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Toronto - '96, '00, '03, '05, '06, '16, '20, '22
Ottawa - '16, '20, '22
Hamilton - '20, '22
Toronto - '96, '00, '03, '05, '06, '16, '20, '22
Ottawa - '16, '20, '22
Hamilton - '20, '22
Also, the notion that the state laws in NY and CO were enacted for the purpose of protecting "consumers" is a bullshit PR talking point. They were enacted to protect the business of ticket resellers.
Now answer my question: how have the fans in the other states been screwed?
Toronto - '96, '00, '03, '05, '06, '16, '20, '22
Ottawa - '16, '20, '22
Hamilton - '20, '22