Fan-to-Fan Ticket Exchange for Dummies

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  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,315
    tdawe said:
    SHZA said:
    tdawe said:
    SHZA said:
    JimmyV said:
    cardoso said:
    Where is the Denver tickets??
    StubHub. Colorado insists on protecting the scalper market. 
    Or consumers' right to dispose of their property as they wish.
    I think you have this backwards. NY and CO are the states that impose marketplace restrictions (by making it illegal to sell non-transferable tickets). The other states allow actors in the marketplace (in this case, concert venues, promoters & artists) to dispose of their property (in the form of limited licenses comprising a clearly defined package of rights) as they wish.
    So how is it backwards? NY and CO protect consumers. Other states allow corporate behemoths to screw the little guy. 
    There are thousands of fans in the other states who have tickets to these shows because the scalpers were kept out. Those tickets were advertised as being non-transferable, several times in very clear ways, before the sales occurred. Those fans got exactly what they bargained for, and if this thread is any indication not many of them are interested in getting any refunds. Explain to me how they have been screwed by any corporate behemoths.
    You didn't answer my question. No one disputes that prohibiting transfers helped the pearl jam fans who actually got tickets to these shows. But that doesn't explain how my statement that NY and CO law protects consumers' rights to dispose of their property is backwards. 
  • guitar101
    guitar101 Sutton, ON Posts: 398
    jamesbrown1832 said:
    ARRRRGGGGGHHHH GA for TO,  dammit. 

    Came here to post the same thing! Someone got lucky .
    2005-9-12 London, ON
    2006-5-09 Toronto
    2007-8-03 (ed w/ ben harper) chicago / 2007-8-05 chicago
    2008-8-12 (ed solo) toronto
    2009-10-08 (ed solo) Albany
    2011-9-11 Toronto / 2011-9-12 Toronto
    2013-7-16 London, ON / 2013-7-19 Chicago / 2013-10-12 Buffalo
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  • D-Rod
    D-Rod Hamilton, Ontario Posts: 1,995
    guitar101 said:
    jamesbrown1832 said:
    ARRRRGGGGGHHHH GA for TO,  dammit. 

    Came here to post the same thing! Someone got lucky .
    That’s why I’m here 
    1996.....Toronto
    2005.....Hamilton
    2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton
    2013.....London, Buffalo
    2014.....Detroit
    2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston  N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1
    2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2
    2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto  
    2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2
    2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2
    2025.....Raleigh N1, Raleigh N2, Pittsburgh N1, Pittsburgh N2
    2026.....????????????????????????????????????????? 
  • LaFleur
    LaFleur Posts: 829
    jamesbrown1832 said:
    ARRRRGGGGGHHHH GA for TO,  dammit. 
    looked away for 2 seconds... and I think my auto-refresh messed me up.  Nothing for like a day and then I choke....damn damn dam. 
    Barrie - '98
    Toronto - '96, '00, '03, '05, '06, '16, '20, '22
    Ottawa - '16, '20, '22
    Hamilton - '20, '22
  • Jadler
    Jadler Posts: 779
    michlynda said:
    Jadler said:
    Saltzy23 said:
    Jadler said:
    We need those 60 year olds to figure out how to sell 
    'I don't know Sally!  I'm hitting the button on the thing, but it won't let me do it!   See....it doesn't work.  I keep clicking the thing but nothing is happening.  All it keeps saying is Message from yahoo.com. Unable to deliver message to the following address(es). Requested mail action aborted, user suspended or mailbox not found.  Jesus Christ, I wish we just never bought these things.  Call the kids and see if they know how to do this.  I've had it already.'
    😂
    You guys do realize that the entire band was born in the '60s, right?
    Matt's 57....
    Yes of course! I am no ageist lol. I was just playing off a joke someone made earlier. Trying to keep ourselves entertained during this marathon of disappointment. Didn’t mean any harm by it!
  • euchrid
    euchrid Posts: 895
    jamesbrown1832 said:
    ARRRRGGGGGHHHH GA for TO,  dammit. 
    barf... so close but ohhh so far...
  • incidental immortality
    incidental immortality CT Posts: 444
    JimmyV said:
    afgpj said:
    Zod said:
    afgpj said:
    Sorry if this was already suggested.  But it would save everyone a lot of time, effort, and anxiety if TM would just do a weekly lottery via Verified Fan for these tix.  They could give priority to everyone wait listed the first time around and then throw everyone in it each week up until show time.
    It feels like the argument for a random entry into the pit at concerts.  We're asking people to put in more effort to save us from ourselves... lol.   
    Yeah, there is no perfect solution.   But the odds of getting selected and then getting tix through VF are probably not much different than the odds of getting tix hitting F5 all day.  People just like to feel that they are in control of their destiny.
    The odds through a VF option would be much less. How many people out there right now are really plugging away at F5? A few hundred maybe? A Verified Fan option with a specific onsale time would see a lot more people trying for the same few number of tickets. 
    I'm hoping as people find tickets it will get easier.  Less competition but also fewer tickets.  I'm pinning my hopes on picking something up in the middle of March.
    Boston (4/10/94), Hartford (10/2/96), Barre (8/22/98), Hartford (9/13/98), Mansfield (9/15/98 + 9/16/98), Mansfield (8/29/00 + 8/30/00), Mansfield (7/2/03 + 7/11/03), Boston (9/28/04), Hartford (5/13/06), Boston (5/24/06 + 5/25/06), Hartford (6/27/08), Mansfield (6/28/08 + 6/30/08), Philadelphia (10/31/09), Hartford (5/15/10), Worcester (10/15/13 + 10/16/13), Hartford (10/25/13), New York (5/1/16), Boston (8/5/16 + 8/7/16), Boston (9/2/18 + 9/4/18)
  • LaFleur
    LaFleur Posts: 829
    euchrid said:
    jamesbrown1832 said:
    ARRRRGGGGGHHHH GA for TO,  dammit. 
    barf... so close but ohhh so far...
    barf is the perfect word 
    Barrie - '98
    Toronto - '96, '00, '03, '05, '06, '16, '20, '22
    Ottawa - '16, '20, '22
    Hamilton - '20, '22
  • tdawe
    tdawe Posts: 2,091
    edited February 2020
    SHZA said:
    tdawe said:
    SHZA said:
    tdawe said:
    SHZA said:
    JimmyV said:
    cardoso said:
    Where is the Denver tickets??
    StubHub. Colorado insists on protecting the scalper market. 
    Or consumers' right to dispose of their property as they wish.
    I think you have this backwards. NY and CO are the states that impose marketplace restrictions (by making it illegal to sell non-transferable tickets). The other states allow actors in the marketplace (in this case, concert venues, promoters & artists) to dispose of their property (in the form of limited licenses comprising a clearly defined package of rights) as they wish.
    So how is it backwards? NY and CO protect consumers. Other states allow corporate behemoths to screw the little guy. 
    There are thousands of fans in the other states who have tickets to these shows because the scalpers were kept out. Those tickets were advertised as being non-transferable, several times in very clear ways, before the sales occurred. Those fans got exactly what they bargained for, and if this thread is any indication not many of them are interested in getting any refunds. Explain to me how they have been screwed by any corporate behemoths.
    You didn't answer my question. No one disputes that prohibiting transfers helped the pearl jam fans who actually got tickets to these shows. But that doesn't explain how my statement that NY and CO law protects consumers' rights to dispose of their property is backwards. 
    OK. Here is the answer to your question: you said (if I'm reading your initial post correctly) that Colorado insists on protecting consumers' right to dipose of their property as they wish. This is backwards because Colorado and New York are the states that affirmatively limit the ability of people to dispose of their property as they wish. As several others have pointed out, tickets are not property in a legal sense; they are licenses that a property owner can sell to others to use the property for limited purposes (you seem to disagree with this, but you are wrong). In 48 states, the property owners are free to sell either fully transferable or non-transferable tickets, and consumers are able to buy or not buy those tickets at their discretion. In NY and CO, the state intervenes to prohibit property owners from offering a certain type of license, and therefore prevent consumers from buying it if they wish.

    Also, the notion that the state laws in NY and CO were enacted for the purpose of protecting "consumers" is a bullshit PR talking point. They were enacted to protect the business of ticket resellers.

    Now answer my question: how have the fans in the other states been screwed?
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  • LaFleur
    LaFleur Posts: 829
    edited February 2020
     :D 
    Post edited by LaFleur on
    Barrie - '98
    Toronto - '96, '00, '03, '05, '06, '16, '20, '22
    Ottawa - '16, '20, '22
    Hamilton - '20, '22
  • BagCzech
    BagCzech Posts: 478
    I literally just checked out some other shows just so I can remember what it feels like to click the "Got It" button #Baltimore
  • TW150753
    TW150753 Posts: 160
    I remember the good old days when this thread only had 12 pages, those were the days, the ones when we were all a little more sane.  We've turned into a pack of Hyenas looking for these Baltimore tickets.
  • JB274988
    JB274988 Posts: 287
    Jadler said:
    michlynda said:
    Jadler said:
    Saltzy23 said:
    Jadler said:
    We need those 60 year olds to figure out how to sell 
    'I don't know Sally!  I'm hitting the button on the thing, but it won't let me do it!   See....it doesn't work.  I keep clicking the thing but nothing is happening.  All it keeps saying is Message from yahoo.com. Unable to deliver message to the following address(es). Requested mail action aborted, user suspended or mailbox not found.  Jesus Christ, I wish we just never bought these things.  Call the kids and see if they know how to do this.  I've had it already.'
    😂
    You guys do realize that the entire band was born in the '60s, right?
    Matt's 57....
    Yes of course! I am no ageist lol. I was just playing off a joke someone made earlier. Trying to keep ourselves entertained during this marathon of disappointment. Didn’t mean any harm by it!
    I'm Copyrighting "Marathon of Disappointment" for my band.
    Camden, NJ 06 -  Columbia, SC 08 - Washington D.C. 08 - Philadelphia, PA 09 - Bristow, VA 10 - Hartford, CT 10 - NYC, NY 10 - Alpine Valley, WI 11 - Baltimore, MD 13 - Ottawa, ON 20 - Baltimore, MD 20 - St. Louis, MO 20
  • tdawe
    tdawe Posts: 2,091
    TW150753 said:
    I remember the good old days when this thread only had 12 pages, those were the days, the ones when we were all a little more sane.  We've turned into a pack of Hyenas looking for these Baltimore tickets.
    FACT CHECK: Page 12 of this thread includes posts like "AUUURGGHHH!!! When is later today TICKETMASTER?!" and "OOHHHH SHITTTTT ALREADY!!! these tickets should go in order of most refreshed. I got to be 10,000 plus already....And FU Ticketmaster for calling me suspicious....selling out tickets and then reselling them!!?? that is much more suspicious than me refreshing a page 1000 times in an hour".
    Camden 2 2006, Newark 2010, Barclays 2 2013, Central Park 2015, MSG 2 2016, Wrigley 1 2016, Rome 2018, Prague 2018, Asbury Park 2021, EV & Earthlings NYC 1 2022, MSG 2022, Louisville 2022, Dublin 2024, MSG 1 2024, MSG 2 2024
  • Saltzy23
    Saltzy23 Posts: 1,350
    Just to confirm, no one has seen a single Baltimore ticket posted since midnight last night, correct?
    'I know I was born and I know that I'll die, the in between is mine.'
  • Jadler
    Jadler Posts: 779
    JB274988 said:
    Jadler said:
    michlynda said:
    Jadler said:
    Saltzy23 said:
    Jadler said:
    We need those 60 year olds to figure out how to sell 
    'I don't know Sally!  I'm hitting the button on the thing, but it won't let me do it!   See....it doesn't work.  I keep clicking the thing but nothing is happening.  All it keeps saying is Message from yahoo.com. Unable to deliver message to the following address(es). Requested mail action aborted, user suspended or mailbox not found.  Jesus Christ, I wish we just never bought these things.  Call the kids and see if they know how to do this.  I've had it already.'
    😂
    You guys do realize that the entire band was born in the '60s, right?
    Matt's 57....
    Yes of course! I am no ageist lol. I was just playing off a joke someone made earlier. Trying to keep ourselves entertained during this marathon of disappointment. Didn’t mean any harm by it!
    I'm Copyrighting "Marathon of Disappointment" for my band.
    Hahaha all yours!
  • TW150753
    TW150753 Posts: 160
    Saltzy23 said:
    Just to confirm, no one has seen a single Baltimore ticket posted since midnight last night, correct?
    Correct, we even had someone on the night shift say they saw nothing this morning.
  • Jadler
    Jadler Posts: 779
    Saltzy23 said:
    Just to confirm, no one has seen a single Baltimore ticket posted since midnight last night, correct?
    not a one 
  • LaFleur
    LaFleur Posts: 829
    DOUBLE BARF! Sec109 for TO and missed. how the F!
    Barrie - '98
    Toronto - '96, '00, '03, '05, '06, '16, '20, '22
    Ottawa - '16, '20, '22
    Hamilton - '20, '22
  • LaFleur
    LaFleur Posts: 829
    jamesbrown1832 said:
    DOUBLE BARF! Sec109 for TO and missed. how the F!
    BARF rescinded - row 25 and far end side stage....those prob not super terrific seats. Someone will be happy. 
    Barrie - '98
    Toronto - '96, '00, '03, '05, '06, '16, '20, '22
    Ottawa - '16, '20, '22
    Hamilton - '20, '22

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