Fan-to-Fan Ticket Exchange for Dummies

UseUrIllusions

]PJNB said:

So anyone ever have order in progress under the tickets they got and no email? I am waiting for support but just curious. 

Do you see the tickets in your account? Don't tell me you scored those TO GA's? 

BraceYourSelf

Baltimore just had half a row of Vitalogy seats drop and sell in 3 min.  $1700 each. 

Man.of.Golden.Words

MSG Vitalogy seats up too, 6 left as of now

epbadger

a pair of Vitalogy seats just went in Baltimore...I was moving so fast I almost fucked up and bought them....some one grabbed them though row A in 107 or 109...nice seats

chukdotcom

Oh great, new Vitalogy foundation drop just now.

pbultimate

BraceYourSelf said:

Baltimore just had half a row of Vitalogy seats drop and sell in 3 min.  $1700 each. 

Wheres that $500 market price guy at?  Hope he got a few of them. 

Could vitalogy up it to $2500 and still sell balt or msg?   How many are left?

Saltzy23

Man.of.Golden.Words said:

MSG Vitalogy seats up too, 6 left as of now

$2,956.00 ea + Fees

Get.  Fucked.

UseUrIllusions

NewfieintheUSA said:

3 pairs of Vitalogy tickets for TO sold in less than 5 minutes at $1,700+ a ticket

Wandering if someone mistakenly purchased them without looking at the $

otis mcfluster

What is worse than the false hope of seeing tickets available only to see they are $1700 Vitalogy tickets?

Franklin Delano Bluth

i wonder if people just saw them and scooped them up without seeing that they were Vitalogy seats?

whoyouare72

duffmann said:

New 1,700 Vitalogy seats available in STL🤣

...oops, still there

RF123172

wall232 said:

Damn, great pair in sec 114 row EE just came up for Nashville. Missed them 

That is far and away the best seats I've heard of coming up in F2F.

tdawe

Franklin Delano Bluth said:

i wonder if people just saw them and scooped them up without seeing that they were Vitalogy seats?

I've been wondering what would happen if I listed my Vitalogy tickets on the F2F - would it list them at the Vitalogy price or the "face"? The "sell" button is available to click but I'm afraid to do it.

chukdotcom

otis mcfluster said:

What is worse than the false hope of seeing tickets available only to see they are $1700 Vitalogy tickets?

Someone is gonna list some GA's and I will miss it because I am ignoring the $1700 ones.

Saltzy23

This is the craziest shit I have ever, ever seen.

People are seriously dropping $4,000?!?!

If John and George were reincarnated and the Beatles played MSG I would still not pay 4 fucking thousand dollars to see that.

What the fuck is happening?

Man.of.Golden.Words

Saltzy23 said:

Man.of.Golden.Words said:

MSG Vitalogy seats up too, 6 left as of now

$2,956.00 ea + Fees

Get.  Fucked.

Who the hell has that kinda disposable income, for one night of fun? Fucking crazy.

wall232

RF123172 said:

wall232 said:

Damn, great pair in sec 114 row EE just came up for Nashville. Missed them 

That is far and away the best seats I've heard of coming up in F2F.

Best I’ve seen. And then they almost got me with the Vitalogy tickets. They came up a few minutes after, I added to the cart and then I saw the price. Right back into the pool they went. 

SHZA

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cardoso said:

Where is the Denver tickets??

StubHub. Colorado insists on protecting the scalper market. 

Or consumers' right to dispose of their property as they wish.

I think you have this backwards. NY and CO are the states that impose marketplace restrictions (by making it illegal to sell non-transferable tickets). The other states allow actors in the marketplace (in this case, concert venues, promoters & artists) to dispose of their property (in the form of limited licenses comprising a clearly defined package of rights) as they wish.

So how is it backwards? NY and CO protect consumers. Other states allow corporate behemoths to screw the little guy. 

There are thousands of fans in the other states who have tickets to these shows because the scalpers were kept out. Those tickets were advertised as being non-transferable, several times in very clear ways, before the sales occurred. Those fans got exactly what they bargained for, and if this thread is any indication not many of them are interested in getting any refunds. Explain to me how they have been screwed by any corporate behemoths.

You didn't answer my question. No one disputes that prohibiting transfers helped the pearl jam fans who actually got tickets to these shows. But that doesn't explain how my statement that NY and CO law protects consumers' rights to dispose of their property is backwards. 

OK. Here is the answer to your question: you said (if I'm reading your initial post correctly) that Colorado insists on protecting consumers' right to dipose of their property as they wish. This is backwards because Colorado and New York are the states that affirmatively limit the ability of people to dispose of their property as they wish. As several others have pointed out, tickets are not property in a legal sense; they are licenses that a property owner can sell to others to use the property for limited purposes (you seem to disagree with this, but you are wrong). In 48 states, the property owners are free to sell either fully transferable or non-transferable tickets, and consumers are able to buy or not buy those tickets at their discretion. In NY and CO, the state intervenes to prohibit property owners from offering a certain type of license, and therefore prevent consumers from buying it if they wish.

Also, the notion that the state laws in NY and CO were enacted for the purpose of protecting "consumers" is a bullshit PR talking point. They were enacted to protect the business of ticket resellers.

Now answer my question: how have the fans in the other states been screwed?

I'd submit that once the artist sells the ticket, it's no longer the artist's property. NY and CO prohibit restrictions on the actual property owner disposing of it as they wish, by barring the previous owner from implementing prospective restrictions on alienation. Why the law was put in place is beside the point. Of course the stubhub lobby was behind it, but that doesn't mean that it's not also beneficial to consumers. 

How were fans in other states screwed? Again, I'm not saying the fans who actually bought tickets have been screwed in this particular situation, because the band had the fans' interests in mind when they set up this system. But this set of 8 Pearl Jam shows is a minuscule fraction of the thousands of ticketed events that occur nationwide every week. Many transfer restrictions are very bad for the consumer. Say Ticketmaster decides to prohibit all transfers in the other 48 states, except for resale on the Ticketmaster platform. Instead of a Face Value exchange as Pearl Jam insisted on, there are additional resale fees for both the buyer and seller, as well as a price floor so that the fan who can't use the tickets can't undercut the remaining inventory, which is never going to sell because the crazy PJ-type demand isn't there. Because all sales are final, the consumer has to eat the price of the ticket because the state allowed the corporate behemoth to impose an unjustified transfer restriction to boost its resale profits. In NY and CO, that fan can get at least some of their money back due to free transferability.

Bang.

Imagine buying season tickets to a baseball team where you are buying 81 fucking games in advance at face value, with no ability to sell any of them for 1 penny less than you paid.  You wanna sell your Tuesday night shit game you don't feel like going to and just recoup some of the sunk cost, fuck you, you scalping piece of trash.  

Everyone sees these laws through the prism of PJ tickets when the needle is almost always pinned down on Demand >>> Supply.

What about the other 90% of events that people just wanna sell extra tickets for that have little to no demand for them?

All those people are just screwed I guess.

I'm too busy to keep at this right now, but I just wanted to note in case you're interested that NY recently carved a loophole in its "no non-transferable tickets" law to exclude the exact situation you describe here - they now allow the Yankees (and other sports teams with venues over 30K in capacity) to make a certain number of season tickets non-transferable if they want. In case there's still any confusion about who these laws are really aimed at protecting.

Actually it's not "the exact situation" described. The amendment allows professional sports teams with stadiums over 30k in capacity to offer paperless tickets that are not independently transferable for no more than 5 percent of all available seats, "provided that such tickets are included in a membership pass at a discounted price ... that guarantees entry to a specified number of events in a specified time period … .” Sounds like that would only apply to the Yankees ballpark pass -- a cheap monthly pass that allows the holder to get an SRO ticket to any home game. 

tdawe

Man.of.Golden.Words said:

Saltzy23 said:

Man.of.Golden.Words said:

MSG Vitalogy seats up too, 6 left as of now

$2,956.00 ea + Fees

Get.  Fucked.

Who the hell has that kinda disposable income, for one night of fun? Fucking crazy.

Hundreds of thousands of people within a 10 mile radius of the arena.

link93

Can't believe people are paying what they are paying for these shows. Of course I guess if I was rich a couple of thousand for a ticket wouldn't seem so bad and at least it's for charity.