Seat Confirmations - Week of Jan. 27

gotthebottle

IlliniGuy76 said:

PJNB said:

gotthebottle said:

PJNB said:

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

They can buy tickets for face value like everyone else on the 18th and beyond that missed out. Why should the rich be the closest and feed into the scalping market that takes away from real fans that wanted tix on the initial sales?

Again... not condoning scamming people... but as article says, some of those who want to pay extra ARE real fans. Sometimes people can't get to regular sale time on computer, but why aren't they real fans? 
I'm a real Springsteen fan, have seen 100 shows.. but I bought tickets for  Wrigley shows on Ebay... cause I wanted to go. 

So pay face value on Feb 18th like everyone else.

This is not a hard concept. If people did not pay above face for tickets scalpers that did not intend to go to shows would not buy those tickets therefore leaving more tickets in real fans hands (again rich and poor) during the public sales. 

1.  "Paying face value on Feb 18" is going to be near impossible FYI
2.  I'll venture to guess the Springsteen show the poster wanted to go to never remotely had an opportunity to pay "face value"
3.  Ticket scalpers have been around for decades & will continue to - simply because events that people aren't able to get tickets to and they want to go, they'll pay a premium to attend.

Of course I couldn't get a face value gA for Springsteen at Wrigley or I wouldn't have gone to Ebay. 
And saying... "buy it face value on the 18th like everybody else" IS my plan #PJNB.... seriously... you're clueless

Lerxst1992

Serious question:

is anyone on this forum thinking about the big game Sunday? Or is it 24/7 PJ tickets and tour?

YAKIMATSU

Vedd Hedd said:

Companies control and create their own shortages to drive prices up.

EXACTLY.  Diamonds are a perfect example. 

RatherStarved

Lerxst1992 said:

Serious question:

is anyone on this forum thinking about the big game Sunday? Or is it 24/7 PJ tickets and tour?

I like St Johns at home against Georgetown

RoleModelsinBlood31

Gtilley8 said:

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

A system where a rich person can't just buy their way into the show?  Huh.  Sounds like they had to live by the same rules as everyone else.  Interesting concept.  And the "free market", "person who will pay more" argument is fucking stupid.  It makes the person making the argument look like a douchebag, and makes everyone agreeing with that person a fucking idiot.  You're one level below the girl with a dew rag on drawing numbers on hands in the GA line.  

This sort of makes sense but I’m having a difficult time discerning how you really feel about this.  Can you elaborate?

RatherStarved

YAKIMATSU said:

Vedd Hedd said:

Companies control and create their own shortages to drive prices up.

EXACTLY.  Diamonds are a perfect example. 

For sure companies do that.  But that is not this situation.  At least not at the individual show level.  They may intentionally tour sparingly so that there’s sufficient buzz when they do to get people interested to enter all these lotteries etc. at a hundred bucks a pop.

droptheleash9

Saltzy23 said:

kst said:

Economics 101:  a shortage exists when demand exceeds supply at the given price.  The price must increase to where demand equals supply to eliminate the shortage.

If 20,000 people would pay up to $300 for a ticket, but the 20,001st person would not, $300 should be the price.

This is the market system.

However PJ prefers a shortage situation with access rights that are based on luck to a market system where those with less income are necessarily left out.  That is very much their brand and their values.  I’m not providing my opinion on whether this is a good or bad thing - but I believe they believe it’s a good thing.

The resale restrictions have to accompany the tickets to preserve this situation because the prices are artificially low and would otherwise  find the market clearing price very quickly.  There’s nothing intrinsically wrong with that (some would say everything is right with that) but it would defeat the purpose they’re trying to achieve.

This is a fantastic post.

+1 to this. Couldn't have said it better.

YAKIMATSU

kst said:

YAKIMATSU said:

Vedd Hedd said:

Companies control and create their own shortages to drive prices up.

EXACTLY.  Diamonds are a perfect example. 

For sure companies do that.  But that is not this situation.  At least not at the individual show level.  They may intentionally tour sparingly so that there’s sufficient buzz when they do to get people interested to enter all these lotteries etc. at a hundred bucks a pop.

I agree. Thank you PJ for not gouging like most companies/bands do.

gotthebottle

droptheleash9 said:

Saltzy23 said:

kst said:

Economics 101:  a shortage exists when demand exceeds supply at the given price.  The price must increase to where demand equals supply to eliminate the shortage.

If 20,000 people would pay up to $300 for a ticket, but the 20,001st person would not, $300 should be the price.

This is the market system.

However PJ prefers a shortage situation with access rights that are based on luck to a market system where those with less income are necessarily left out.  That is very much their brand and their values.  I’m not providing my opinion on whether this is a good or bad thing - but I believe they believe it’s a good thing.

The resale restrictions have to accompany the tickets to preserve this situation because the prices are artificially low and would otherwise  find the market clearing price very quickly.  There’s nothing intrinsically wrong with that (some would say everything is right with that) but it would defeat the purpose they’re trying to achieve.

This is a fantastic post.

+1 to this. Couldn't have said it better.

Basically what the article I posted said....

Saltzy23

YAKIMATSU said:

Vedd Hedd said:

Companies control and create their own shortages to drive prices up.

EXACTLY.  Diamonds are a perfect example. 

Rolex is really the best example.  DeBeers has done wonders at manipulating the market prices for diamonds, but what Rolex has pulled off is insanity.  They have now gotten people to buy lower end 'cheaper' models they don't even want for thousands of dollars just so they could build up enough purchasing credit to be deemed worthy enough to be offered the right to buy the hard to get ones when they finally become available.

Lerxst1992

WMAmorican said:

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

That's exactly it...people can rant all they want about how mean the basic law of economics (supply curve meeting demand curve, limited supply drives up prices, etc.) is, but you might as well rant about how mean the law of gravity is if you fall off of a building - it's not something with intent, or feelings, or malice, it just IS, so the sooner you come to grips with it instead of whining about how "unfair" it is, the better off you will be. Life is unfair, get used to it.

The fact is, "scalpers" do provide a service, i.e. a functioning ticket market. I have season tickets to the S.F. Giants - in the old days, if I couldn't use my tickets, I had to deal with "little guy scalpers" outside the stadium, and I hated it - I knew they were taking a cut, and I just wanted to sell directly to the person who would use the ticket. Seemed more "fair." But it was a pain, it took time, I had to try to find someone, etc.

Then Craigslist came along, which was better - it was online, bringing together more potential buyers and sellers, and better price signals. But it was still a pain, I had to email and text with a bunch of people, it took time, you had to actually meet, there were tons of flakes.

So the evil Stubhub comes along...and I love it. Yes, they're taking 15% from me and another 15% from the buyer, but it is so EASY- I spend a couple minutes listing, and as long as I price fairly, they sell - I get the money deposited in my account, the buyer gets their tickets, so easy. The huge benefits are well worth the fee, and clearly millions of people agree. So they perform a great service that people willingly use and pay for, so to say scalping has "made mega scalpers of stubhub" makes me laugh at your naivete.

And let me ask you this - what about the times when it goes the other way? I once left a 96 Bridge School Ticket in a tree outside Shoreline because there was nobody who needed a ticket and I wanted to get into the show. I have had friends flake for concerts so many times and I've sold tickets for half of face value, or even $20 for what cost me $100. How many of you whining about paying more than face have ever benefited by paying less? I've eaten so much money on tickets over the years, there have been many beneficiaries, so the very few times I've made a few bucks, I have no guilt.

Sure, when the Giants are good, I might make a little more than face when I sell tickets, or maybe if it's opening day or a Yankee game. But they've been bad for a few years now, I'd say 95% of tix I've had to sell - on Stubhub - the past few years, I've lost money on. Yet, I'm glad it was there so I could at least get something, it was an easy process. Whoever bought them got a great deal, kudos to them.

Anyway, you're welcome for the economics lesson, even though I know I probably won't change any minds...people will still rage at the unfairness of that pesky supply and demand curve, and rail at "scalpers," and spend their lives in a stew of frustration! 

Thank you for taking the time to post this comment. 

Scalping exists because there is both a need and a demand for it. And it is not going anywhere unless  PJ is willing to invest in enough will call attendants to check every single ID and walk every patron into the venue.
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Vedd Hedd

kst said:

YAKIMATSU said:

Vedd Hedd said:

Companies control and create their own shortages to drive prices up.

EXACTLY.  Diamonds are a perfect example. 

For sure companies do that.  But that is not this situation.  At least not at the individual show level.  They may intentionally tour sparingly so that there’s sufficient buzz when they do to get people interested to enter all these lotteries etc. at a hundred bucks a pop.

Right, but secondary markets swallow up large chunks of tickets sometimes, and release them little by little, to drive up demand, and make larger profits.

By really not doing anything more than...buying tickets with the sole purpose of doing just that.

WMAmorican

Clarification: I was defending Stubhub as being a net social good, not an evil scalper...assholes that have no interest in the band (game, whatever) but find a way to get what they know is a scarce resource, and then sell it for more (often way more, especially in a case like this where an artificial shortage has been created, even if for very noble purposes, by the band)? Total parasites, douche bags, you name it...I love that PJ is eternally trying to fight these guys, I'm just saying, StubHub isn't the bad guy here, nor is the eternal and unbeatable law of supply and demand, so railing against those is a futile exercise...there's plenty in the world to rail against that deserves being railed against...

tdawe

DoDaFoo said:

This thread has gone off the deep end.

Can’t touch the bottom. 

RobZ

So after two long weeks of contemplation..........I'm taking the Niners on the money line!

Lerxst1992

imajetsfan1 said:

Saltzy23 said:

PJNB said:

Saltzy23 said:

PJNB said:

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

They can buy tickets for face value like everyone else on the 18th and beyond that missed out. Why should the rich be the closest and feed into the scalping market that takes away from real fans that wanted tix on the initial sales?

Why do you just automatically assume that "rich" people are not real fans, but those that won the lotto are?

I guarantee you there are moderate fans that are in the 10C and won the lotto and I guarantee you there are real die hard PJ fans that lost the lotto and have enough cash to be able to buy their way in, but now cannot.

Who "deserves" to go more?

Try reading what I said again. Nowhere did I say rich fans and real fans where different people. I said rich fans pay to get close feeding into the scalpers hands and taking away from real fans that wanted to go at face.

If people did not pay above face for tickets the scalpers would not buy them leaving more tickets to be available for real fans rich or poor. 

...but isn't this America where that is how the entire economic system is designed to function?

Everyone wants stuff.

Money is how we traditionally decide who actually gets to have it.

My dad paid $700 for Bruno mars ticket a couple years ago and all I thought at the time was thank goodness PJ doesn't maximize profits bc I wouldn’t be able to go to a show and I’m sure a lot of us are in this boat.  They are making the shows affordable for all of us and I will be forever thankful for that. For once the rich don’t get to shut the rest of us out. Is that so bad?!?

But they lock in the best seats to the same fans year after year show after show.

no one can get more successful in life and buy into their ticket restriction scheme. Most seating locations were decided 20 years ago.

restriction is restriction, PJ has their version, and the free market has its own that all the other bands rely on.

 Both versions discriminate against large segments of the audience. Boom.

tdawe

Lerxst1992 said:

imajetsfan1 said:

Saltzy23 said:

PJNB said:

Saltzy23 said:

PJNB said:

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

They can buy tickets for face value like everyone else on the 18th and beyond that missed out. Why should the rich be the closest and feed into the scalping market that takes away from real fans that wanted tix on the initial sales?

Why do you just automatically assume that "rich" people are not real fans, but those that won the lotto are?

I guarantee you there are moderate fans that are in the 10C and won the lotto and I guarantee you there are real die hard PJ fans that lost the lotto and have enough cash to be able to buy their way in, but now cannot.

Who "deserves" to go more?

Try reading what I said again. Nowhere did I say rich fans and real fans where different people. I said rich fans pay to get close feeding into the scalpers hands and taking away from real fans that wanted to go at face.

If people did not pay above face for tickets the scalpers would not buy them leaving more tickets to be available for real fans rich or poor. 

...but isn't this America where that is how the entire economic system is designed to function?

Everyone wants stuff.

Money is how we traditionally decide who actually gets to have it.

My dad paid $700 for Bruno mars ticket a couple years ago and all I thought at the time was thank goodness PJ doesn't maximize profits bc I wouldn’t be able to go to a show and I’m sure a lot of us are in this boat.  They are making the shows affordable for all of us and I will be forever thankful for that. For once the rich don’t get to shut the rest of us out. Is that so bad?!?

But they lock in the best seats to the same fans year after year show after show.

no one can get more successful in life and buy into their ticket restriction scheme. Most seating locations were decided 20 years ago.

restriction is restriction, PJ has their version, and the free market has its own that all the other bands rely on.

 Both versions discriminate against large segments of the audience. Boom.

What’s your point? 

whoyouare72

RobZ said:

So after two long weeks of contemplation..........I'm taking the Niners on the money line!

Smart bet bro

Saltzy23

It just woulda, ya know, been nice to know that there would basically be be no way into the Baltimore show if I didn't figure it out during the 10C lotto or TM sales when the info about the show leaked like 10 days before the official announcement.

I am an idiot for booking a non-refundable hotel room(and if I have to eat that, fine, it's on me) , but Amtrak is gonna be a hot mess that weekend with the Yankees and PJ in town and I really thought it was the safest bet to reserve that as early as possible. If I have to cancel that, I'll get a 75% credit for another trip, which kinda sucks.

I'll obviously wait longer to make any reservations in the future if this is going to be the new ticketing system, but this was kind of a shitty way to have to learn that lesson.

pbultimate

Saltzy23 said:

It just woulda, ya know, been nice to know that there would basically be be no way into the Baltimore show if I didn't figure it out during the 10C lotto or TM sales when the info about the show leaked like 10 days before the official announcement.

I am an idiot for booking a non-refundable hotel room(and if I have to eat that, fine, it's on me) , but Amtrak is gonna be a hot mess that weekend with the Yankees and PJ in town and I really thought it was the safest bet to reserve that as early as possible. If I have to cancel that, I'll get a 75% credit for another trip, which kinda sucks.

I'll obviously wait longer to make any reservations in the future if this is going to be the new ticketing system, but this was kind of a shitty way to have to learn that lesson.

A non-refundable hotel room becomes a fully refundable hotel room with a simple, polite conversation with the hotel mgr. 

But, there’s no lesson to be learned here.  You booked a bunch of stuff without a ticket. Vegas would love to have you.