Seat Confirmations - Week of Jan. 27

ryanphishes

PJNB said:

gotthebottle said:

PJNB said:

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

They can buy tickets for face value like everyone else on the 18th and beyond that missed out. Why should the rich be the closest and feed into the scalping market that takes away from real fans that wanted tix on the initial sales?

Again... not condoning scamming people... but as article says, some of those who want to pay extra ARE real fans. Sometimes people can't get to regular sale time on computer, but why aren't they real fans? 
I'm a real Springsteen fan, have seen 100 shows.. but I bought tickets for  Wrigley shows on Ebay... cause I wanted to go. 

So pay face value on Feb 18th like everyone else.

This is not a hard concept. If people did not pay above face for tickets scalpers that did not intend to go to shows would not buy those tickets therefore leaving more tickets in real fans hands (again rich and poor) during the public sales. 

There will always be more demand than supply for certain things, whether it's a Pearl Jam show or limited edition art.  There will always be someone willing to pay more than face value cost to get in.  It's just common sense that there isn't enough to go around.  Everyone has the same shot at tickets going in, whether it's a lottery or first come first served.

After that, I think in most cases (not fan clubs that prohibit reselling), the ticket is owned by the purchaser.  I have Crohns Disease and have had to miss trips and shows at the last minute and eaten tickets because I couldn't resell or transfer them quick enough.

I've also given away tickets at shows with lower demand.  Anyone against scalping on principle should be against "reverse scalping", but they're usually the first people to offer half of face value.  Pearl Jam fans would probably lose money on any extra OKC tickets if there wasn't a ticket exchange, and they still might lose money because the demand won't be there.  I got a really good ticket on the onsale, but I'd kind of rather my first GA experience since I'm going solo.  I might be able to score a GA on the exchange and then get stuck with my dead center reserved ticket.

I'm interested to see how the ticket exchange works and hope it can be a model for PJ and other bands going forward.

mcgruff10

100 Pacer said:

mcgruff10 said:

100 Pacer said:

mcgruff10 said:

@100 Pacer maybe this the the eye of the hurricane?

Are you sticking around for Hamilton?

Unfortunately no. I ll be on the road really early the day after the Quebec City  show. 

Have the wife fly out and I’ll get you into Hamilton.

Don’t tempt me!!

PJNB

Saltzy23 said:

For the record, in my opinion the big disagreement I have with how this was handled is that 10C tickets should not be resealable like always, but any tickets bought through any of the TM sales should have been.

I think that would have been the best compromise.

At least then you know a bunch of the arena is 10C that paid face value, but those of us that were shut out and are willing to pay more than face have a realistic method to do so.

Making all the tickets non transferrable for every show outside of NYC and CO is just far too restrictive in my opinion.

So you are ok with professional  scalpers buying tickets to shows that you want to see taking away from someone like me that is trying to get a public ticket at face. Lets say I am the 20,001 person trying to get tickets to 20,000 capacity show. It just sold out right before I was about to buy the last seat. A scalper came a long and scooped it up since thats their job and they are damn good at their job. Now lets also say you struck out too or just didn't bother trying but you have way more money than I do. You can afford to pay the professional scalper their 5X markup with out batting an eye and you do so. I on the other hand can not afford it and do not go to the show. 

With this scenario what do you think is a more fare way of doing things? 

A. Professional scalper takes the last seat away from me and sells it to the rich guy who can afford it. 
B. Face value only sales stop the majority of scalpers from buying tickets and I get to go in at face as do you if you want to put in a little bit of effort. 

ejk1280

I can promise you that I am not rich.  But I want to decide for myself if I want to pay up for tickets after getting shut out of a lottery for one of the only bands I care to see live.  If that isn’t an option moving forward I’ll be sure I never lose a lottery again.  Or should I say a family member, myself, close friends, or neighbors will win one.  Either way I’ll be going to whatever show I want.  

NewfieintheUSA

PJNB said:

Saltzy23 said:

For the record, in my opinion the big disagreement I have with how this was handled is that 10C tickets should not be resealable like always, but any tickets bought through any of the TM sales should have been.

I think that would have been the best compromise.

At least then you know a bunch of the arena is 10C that paid face value, but those of us that were shut out and are willing to pay more than face have a realistic method to do so.

Making all the tickets non transferrable for every show outside of NYC and CO is just far too restrictive in my opinion.

So you are ok with professional  scalpers buying tickets to shows that you want to see taking away from someone like me that is trying to get a public ticket at face. Lets say I am the 20,001 person trying to get tickets to 20,000 capacity show. It just sold out right before I was about to buy the last seat. A scalper came a long and scooped it up since thats their job and they are damn good at their job. Now lets also say you struck out too or just didn't bother trying but you have way more money than I do. You can afford to pay the professional scalper their 5X markup with out batting an eye and you do so. I on the other hand can not afford it and do not go to the show. 

With this scenario what do you think is a more fare way of doing things? 

A. Professional scalper takes the last seat away from me and sells it to the rich guy who can afford it. 
B. Face value only sales stop the majority of scalpers from buying tickets and I get to go in at face as do you if you want to put in a little bit of effort. 

Better watch out, a lot of Americans will interpret option B as a socialist policy and immediately dismiss it as evil.

huntersthompson

Gtilley8 said:

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

A system where a rich person can't just buy their way into the show?  Huh.  Sounds like they had to live by the same rules as everyone else.  Interesting concept.  And the "free market", "person who will pay more" argument is fucking stupid.  It makes the person making the argument look like a douchebag, and makes everyone agreeing with that person a fucking idiot.  You're one level below the girl with a dew rag on drawing numbers on hands in the GA line.  

No to be an irritant....but I think it is do-rag....

huntersthompson

ejk1280 said:

I can promise you that I am not rich.  But I want to decide for myself if I want to pay up for tickets after getting shut out of a lottery for one of the only bands I care to see live.  If that isn’t an option moving forward I’ll be sure I never lose a lottery again.  Or should I say a family member, myself, close friends, or neighbors will win one.  Either way I’ll be going to whatever show I want.  

But....if the system didn't have leaks....even tiny ones...that would likely not be a problem.  You would have your best shot at getting a ticket (or the multitude of acquaintances-biological and neighborly) would be through the lottery.  Saying you missed that, you would have another opportunity to obtain tickets through the F2F program wherein you would only be paying face value for a ticket that was previously held by a fan (not unlike yourself....except with a ticket) that could no longer attend the show.  If that option was not presenting tickets to you the path of working the boards still remains a tried and true method for charmers like us.  Who wouldn't want to spend four hours of their lives making idle PJ inspired chitchat with our type.  The result that the band it looking for has everything to do with the idea that fans get tickets.  The hope that other fans lose out (hell you may have lost out to a scalper) to someone who had no intention to attend the show...but rather their intention was to get a ticket and sell it to someone who failed to have the luck to get their number pulled (or worse, the foresight to take part in the ticket lottery) should be abhorrent to all of us.  As has been stated again and again, removing MSG, Balt and Denver, you had a 100% chance of getting into any of the other shows you wanted to attend....as long as you took part in the well outlined and explained and forecasted process.

IlliniGuy76

PJNB said:

gotthebottle said:

PJNB said:

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

They can buy tickets for face value like everyone else on the 18th and beyond that missed out. Why should the rich be the closest and feed into the scalping market that takes away from real fans that wanted tix on the initial sales?

Again... not condoning scamming people... but as article says, some of those who want to pay extra ARE real fans. Sometimes people can't get to regular sale time on computer, but why aren't they real fans? 
I'm a real Springsteen fan, have seen 100 shows.. but I bought tickets for  Wrigley shows on Ebay... cause I wanted to go. 

So pay face value on Feb 18th like everyone else.

This is not a hard concept. If people did not pay above face for tickets scalpers that did not intend to go to shows would not buy those tickets therefore leaving more tickets in real fans hands (again rich and poor) during the public sales. 

1.  "Paying face value on Feb 18" is going to be near impossible FYI
2.  I'll venture to guess the Springsteen show the poster wanted to go to never remotely had an opportunity to pay "face value"
3.  Ticket scalpers have been around for decades & will continue to - simply because events that people aren't able to get tickets to and they want to go, they'll pay a premium to attend.

Saltzy23

This entire debate is thousands of years old and will never really be answered.

The world is chock full of commodities that have more people that want than are available and how to best allocate them.

We could debate this until the next tour and there will still be those amongst us that will have their personal beliefs they are unwilling to back down from.

ejk1280

huntersthompson said:

ejk1280 said:

I can promise you that I am not rich.  But I want to decide for myself if I want to pay up for tickets after getting shut out of a lottery for one of the only bands I care to see live.  If that isn’t an option moving forward I’ll be sure I never lose a lottery again.  Or should I say a family member, myself, close friends, or neighbors will win one.  Either way I’ll be going to whatever show I want.  

But....if the system didn't have leaks....even tiny ones...that would likely not be a problem.  You would have your best shot at getting a ticket (or the multitude of acquaintances-biological and neighborly) would be through the lottery.  Saying you missed that, you would have another opportunity to obtain tickets through the F2F program wherein you would only be paying face value for a ticket that was previously held by a fan (not unlike yourself....except with a ticket) that could no longer attend the show.  If that option was not presenting tickets to you the path of working the boards still remains a tried and true method for charmers like us.  Who wouldn't want to spend four hours of their lives making idle PJ inspired chitchat with our type.  The result that the band it looking for has everything to do with the idea that fans get tickets.  The hope that other fans lose out (hell you may have lost out to a scalper) to someone who had no intention to attend the show...but rather their intention was to get a ticket and sell it to someone who failed to have the luck to get their number pulled (or worse, the foresight to take part in the ticket lottery) should be abhorrent to all of us.  As has been stated again and again, removing MSG, Balt and Denver, you had a 100% chance of getting into any of the other shows you wanted to attend....as long as you took part in the well outlined and explained and forecasted process.

I live in the Northeast my chances are never going to be 100%.  And the fan to fan option will not be great odds either for shows here in the NE.   Just need to increase the chances in the 10c lottery if secondary market is eliminated.   If multiple people I know win we go as one big group.  But as a default I’ll be the +1 on each of their accounts I gift them each Christmas.  Less tickets for the true fans again since none of them love PJ nearly as much as me or you.   

Gtilley8

huntersthompson said:

Gtilley8 said:

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

A system where a rich person can't just buy their way into the show?  Huh.  Sounds like they had to live by the same rules as everyone else.  Interesting concept.  And the "free market", "person who will pay more" argument is fucking stupid.  It makes the person making the argument look like a douchebag, and makes everyone agreeing with that person a fucking idiot.  You're one level below the girl with a dew rag on drawing numbers on hands in the GA line.  

No to be an irritant....but I think it is do-rag....

Fair enough.  

DoDaFoo

This thread has gone off the deep end.

Kill The Noise

Although I am totally stoked to see where my seat are tomorrow, I preferred finding out at the show. Added an extra layer of excitement. 

....and remember that is the way it was..... enjoy what we now have coming tomorrow. Much love Y'all \m/

imajetsfan1

Saltzy23 said:

PJNB said:

Saltzy23 said:

PJNB said:

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

They can buy tickets for face value like everyone else on the 18th and beyond that missed out. Why should the rich be the closest and feed into the scalping market that takes away from real fans that wanted tix on the initial sales?

Why do you just automatically assume that "rich" people are not real fans, but those that won the lotto are?

I guarantee you there are moderate fans that are in the 10C and won the lotto and I guarantee you there are real die hard PJ fans that lost the lotto and have enough cash to be able to buy their way in, but now cannot.

Who "deserves" to go more?

Try reading what I said again. Nowhere did I say rich fans and real fans where different people. I said rich fans pay to get close feeding into the scalpers hands and taking away from real fans that wanted to go at face.

If people did not pay above face for tickets the scalpers would not buy them leaving more tickets to be available for real fans rich or poor. 

...but isn't this America where that is how the entire economic system is designed to function?

Everyone wants stuff.

Money is how we traditionally decide who actually gets to have it.

My dad paid $700 for Bruno mars ticket a couple years ago and all I thought at the time was thank goodness PJ doesn't maximize profits bc I wouldn’t be able to go to a show and I’m sure a lot of us are in this boat.  They are making the shows affordable for all of us and I will be forever thankful for that. For once the rich don’t get to shut the rest of us out. Is that so bad?!?

ddeschler

As has been posted elsewhere, show the purchaser's name on the ticket, and require ID to be presented at the venue to match.  It's done in Germany and Italy.  If NY state law doesn't allow this, play NJ instead->scalping would be nearly dead.

RatherStarved

Economics 101:  a shortage exists when demand exceeds supply at the given price.  The price must increase to where demand equals supply to eliminate the shortage.

If 20,000 people would pay up to $300 for a ticket, but the 20,001st person would not, $300 should be the price.

This is the market system.

However PJ prefers a shortage situation with access rights that are based on luck to a market system where those with less income are necessarily left out.  That is very much their brand and their values.  I’m not providing my opinion on whether this is a good or bad thing - but I believe they believe it’s a good thing.

The resale restrictions have to accompany the tickets to preserve this situation because the prices are artificially low and would otherwise  find the market clearing price very quickly.  There’s nothing intrinsically wrong with that (some would say everything is right with that) but it would defeat the purpose they’re trying to achieve.

foodboy

yes  i always say this band keeps prices down for their fans making it affordable for all. radiohead does the same. most sports teams are pricing their fans out . the nfl advertises swag like crazy on tv.  can't afford to go to the game but buy a t shirt and root at home.you are still our number 1 fan.  thank goodness we aren't having to do that here.  

drummer1

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:

just checked my email since I heard the ding,
New kids on the block concert announcement for Fenway park

Ha!!! Best post of the day. 

Saltzy23

kst said:

Economics 101:  a shortage exists when demand exceeds supply at the given price.  The price must increase to where demand equals supply to eliminate the shortage.

If 20,000 people would pay up to $300 for a ticket, but the 20,001st person would not, $300 should be the price.

This is the market system.

However PJ prefers a shortage situation with access rights that are based on luck to a market system where those with less income are necessarily left out.  That is very much their brand and their values.  I’m not providing my opinion on whether this is a good or bad thing - but I believe they believe it’s a good thing.

The resale restrictions have to accompany the tickets to preserve this situation because the prices are artificially low and would otherwise  find the market clearing price very quickly.  There’s nothing intrinsically wrong with that (some would say everything is right with that) but it would defeat the purpose they’re trying to achieve.

This is a fantastic post.

Vedd Hedd

Companies control and create their own shortages to drive prices up.