Seat Confirmations - Week of Jan. 27

WMAmorican

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

That's exactly it...people can rant all they want about how mean the basic law of economics (supply curve meeting demand curve, limited supply drives up prices, etc.) is, but you might as well rant about how mean the law of gravity is if you fall off of a building - it's not something with intent, or feelings, or malice, it just IS, so the sooner you come to grips with it instead of whining about how "unfair" it is, the better off you will be. Life is unfair, get used to it.

The fact is, "scalpers" do provide a service, i.e. a functioning ticket market. I have season tickets to the S.F. Giants - in the old days, if I couldn't use my tickets, I had to deal with "little guy scalpers" outside the stadium, and I hated it - I knew they were taking a cut, and I just wanted to sell directly to the person who would use the ticket. Seemed more "fair." But it was a pain, it took time, I had to try to find someone, etc.

Then Craigslist came along, which was better - it was online, bringing together more potential buyers and sellers, and better price signals. But it was still a pain, I had to email and text with a bunch of people, it took time, you had to actually meet, there were tons of flakes.

So the evil Stubhub comes along...and I love it. Yes, they're taking 15% from me and another 15% from the buyer, but it is so EASY- I spend a couple minutes listing, and as long as I price fairly, they sell - I get the money deposited in my account, the buyer gets their tickets, so easy. The huge benefits are well worth the fee, and clearly millions of people agree. So they perform a great service that people willingly use and pay for, so to say scalping has "made mega scalpers of stubhub" makes me laugh at your naivete.

And let me ask you this - what about the times when it goes the other way? I once left a 96 Bridge School Ticket in a tree outside Shoreline because there was nobody who needed a ticket and I wanted to get into the show. I have had friends flake for concerts so many times and I've sold tickets for half of face value, or even $20 for what cost me $100. How many of you whining about paying more than face have ever benefited by paying less? I've eaten so much money on tickets over the years, there have been many beneficiaries, so the very few times I've made a few bucks, I have no guilt.

Sure, when the Giants are good, I might make a little more than face when I sell tickets, or maybe if it's opening day or a Yankee game. But they've been bad for a few years now, I'd say 95% of tix I've had to sell - on Stubhub - the past few years, I've lost money on. Yet, I'm glad it was there so I could at least get something, it was an easy process. Whoever bought them got a great deal, kudos to them.

Anyway, you're welcome for the economics lesson, even though I know I probably won't change any minds...people will still rage at the unfairness of that pesky supply and demand curve, and rail at "scalpers," and spend their lives in a stew of frustration! 

Saltzy23

PJNB said:

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

They can buy tickets for face value like everyone else on the 18th and beyond that missed out. Why should the rich be the closest and feed into the scalping market that takes away from real fans that wanted tix on the initial sales?

Why do you just automatically assume that "rich" people are not real fans, but those that won the lotto are?

I guarantee you there are moderate fans that are in the 10C and won the lotto and I guarantee you there are real die hard PJ fans that lost the lotto and have enough cash to be able to buy their way in, but now cannot.

Who "deserves" to go more?

tdawe

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

I would and want to. But I can eat shit if it means that the tickets get into the hands of other fans directly. I’ll live. 

tdawe

ddeschler said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

To summarize, the author, a professional scalper (aka "ticket broker") doesn't know if these new PJ ticketing features are great ideas, because they threaten his livelihood as a professional scalper, and people should be able to pay $5,000/ticket if they want to-->I like these innovations even more, after reading how upset a professional scalper is.

Yup. If nothing else you know it’s a good thing because it’s pissing off the right people. 

darwinstheory

Soooo....how are the kids? 

Axilla

So what are we thinking? Emails with seat locations go out tomorrow at 4:59 PM PST? I suggest everybody heavily medicate until then and possibly further into the weekend. 

mcgruff10

darwinstheory said:

Soooo....how are the kids? 

Everyone is nice and healthy.  How is Indiana?

Vedd Hedd

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

I would typically not pay a scalper. When I have been shut out, I have had good luck on the forums.

PJNB

Saltzy23 said:

PJNB said:

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

They can buy tickets for face value like everyone else on the 18th and beyond that missed out. Why should the rich be the closest and feed into the scalping market that takes away from real fans that wanted tix on the initial sales?

Why do you just automatically assume that "rich" people are not real fans, but those that won the lotto are?

I guarantee you there are moderate fans that are in the 10C and won the lotto and I guarantee you there are real die hard PJ fans that lost the lotto and have enough cash to be able to buy their way in, but now cannot.

Who "deserves" to go more?

Try reading what I said again. Nowhere did I say rich fans and real fans where different people. I said rich fans pay to get close feeding into the scalpers hands and taking away from real fans that wanted to go at face.

If people did not pay above face for tickets the scalpers would not buy them leaving more tickets to be available for real fans rich or poor. 

100 Pacer

mcgruff10 said:

@100 Pacer maybe this the the eye of the hurricane?

Are you sticking around for Hamilton?

JimmyV

Axilla said:

So what are we thinking? Emails with seat locations go out tomorrow at 4:59 PM PST? I suggest everybody heavily medicate until then and possibly further into the weekend. 

5:01

gotthebottle

PJNB said:

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

They can buy tickets for face value like everyone else on the 18th and beyond that missed out. Why should the rich be the closest and feed into the scalping market that takes away from real fans that wanted tix on the initial sales?

Again... not condoning scamming people... but as article says, some of those who want to pay extra ARE real fans. Sometimes people can't get to regular sale time on computer, but why aren't they real fans? 
I'm a real Springsteen fan, have seen 100 shows.. but I bought tickets for  Wrigley shows on Ebay... cause I wanted to go. 

Saltzy23

PJNB said:

Saltzy23 said:

PJNB said:

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

They can buy tickets for face value like everyone else on the 18th and beyond that missed out. Why should the rich be the closest and feed into the scalping market that takes away from real fans that wanted tix on the initial sales?

Why do you just automatically assume that "rich" people are not real fans, but those that won the lotto are?

I guarantee you there are moderate fans that are in the 10C and won the lotto and I guarantee you there are real die hard PJ fans that lost the lotto and have enough cash to be able to buy their way in, but now cannot.

Who "deserves" to go more?

Try reading what I said again. Nowhere did I say rich fans and real fans where different people. I said rich fans pay to get close feeding into the scalpers hands and taking away from real fans that wanted to go at face.

If people did not pay above face for tickets the scalpers would not buy them leaving more tickets to be available for real fans rich or poor. 

...but isn't this America where that is how the entire economic system is designed to function?

Everyone wants stuff.

Money is how we traditionally decide who actually gets to have it.

Clapper

PJNB said:

Try reading what I said again. Nowhere did I say rich fans and real fans where different people. I said rich fans pay to get close feeding into the scalpers hands and taking away from real fans that wanted to go at face.

If people did not pay above face for tickets the scalpers would not buy them leaving more tickets to be available for real fans rich or poor. 

If the band charged the actual market value of tickets, instead of 2005 prices,  only those with the extra money would be afford tickets at all, no?

PJNB

gotthebottle said:

PJNB said:

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

They can buy tickets for face value like everyone else on the 18th and beyond that missed out. Why should the rich be the closest and feed into the scalping market that takes away from real fans that wanted tix on the initial sales?

Again... not condoning scamming people... but as article says, some of those who want to pay extra ARE real fans. Sometimes people can't get to regular sale time on computer, but why aren't they real fans? 
I'm a real Springsteen fan, have seen 100 shows.. but I bought tickets for  Wrigley shows on Ebay... cause I wanted to go. 

So pay face value on Feb 18th like everyone else.

This is not a hard concept. If people did not pay above face for tickets scalpers that did not intend to go to shows would not buy those tickets therefore leaving more tickets in real fans hands (again rich and poor) during the public sales. 

mcgruff10

100 Pacer said:

mcgruff10 said:

@100 Pacer maybe this the the eye of the hurricane?

Are you sticking around for Hamilton?

Unfortunately no. I ll be on the road really early the day after the Quebec City  show. 

Gtilley8

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

A system where a rich person can't just buy their way into the show?  Huh.  Sounds like they had to live by the same rules as everyone else.  Interesting concept.  And the "free market", "person who will pay more" argument is fucking stupid.  It makes the person making the argument look like a douchebag, and makes everyone agreeing with that person a fucking idiot.  You're one level below the girl with a dew rag on drawing numbers on hands in the GA line.  

100 Pacer

mcgruff10 said:

100 Pacer said:

mcgruff10 said:

@100 Pacer maybe this the the eye of the hurricane?

Are you sticking around for Hamilton?

Unfortunately no. I ll be on the road really early the day after the Quebec City  show. 

Have the wife fly out and I’ll get you into Hamilton.

ddeschler

RE: "So the evil Stubhub comes along...and I love it."

In your example, prices are close to face value, there isn't big $ to be made by brokers, and stubhub is providing a service as a intermediary between two parties who don't stand to profit financially.  Scalpers don't have a large incentive to buy all the tickets in your example.  In a PJ @ MSG situation, stubhub is abetting a group of scalpers who quickly bought many tickets (possibly through the aid of bots), to the detriment of actual humans who also wanted to buy those tickets, and will profit immensely from this exclusionary activity.

Saltzy23

For the record, in my opinion the big disagreement I have with how this was handled is that 10C tickets should not be resealable like always, but any tickets bought through any of the TM sales should have been.

I think that would have been the best compromise.

At least then you know a bunch of the arena is 10C that paid face value, but those of us that were shut out and are willing to pay more than face have a realistic method to do so.

Making all the tickets non transferrable for every show outside of NYC and CO is just far too restrictive in my opinion.