Seat Confirmations - Week of Jan. 27

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Lerxst1992 said:

imajetsfan1 said:

Saltzy23 said:

PJNB said:

Saltzy23 said:

PJNB said:

gotthebottle said:

Vedd Hedd said:

gotthebottle said:

https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/01/pearl-jam-ticketing-predicament/
Long, but very interesting if you keep an open mind. 

Back in my day, scalping was illegal. Now it's pushed out the little guy scalper and made mega scalpers of stubhub, etc.

It should still be illegal.

Sucks that this guy has a business around something like reselling tickets, but I don't feel bad if his business suffers for this.  It should be illegal anyway. 

Guess you didn't read it all... not condoning scalping myself, but one of his points is... what about the fan who wants to buy tickets even if price is > face? Don't tell me that some of you on here wouldn't pay extra to get in to a show you really want? 

They can buy tickets for face value like everyone else on the 18th and beyond that missed out. Why should the rich be the closest and feed into the scalping market that takes away from real fans that wanted tix on the initial sales?

Why do you just automatically assume that "rich" people are not real fans, but those that won the lotto are?

I guarantee you there are moderate fans that are in the 10C and won the lotto and I guarantee you there are real die hard PJ fans that lost the lotto and have enough cash to be able to buy their way in, but now cannot.

Who "deserves" to go more?

Try reading what I said again. Nowhere did I say rich fans and real fans where different people. I said rich fans pay to get close feeding into the scalpers hands and taking away from real fans that wanted to go at face.

If people did not pay above face for tickets the scalpers would not buy them leaving more tickets to be available for real fans rich or poor. 

...but isn't this America where that is how the entire economic system is designed to function?

Everyone wants stuff.

Money is how we traditionally decide who actually gets to have it.

My dad paid $700 for Bruno mars ticket a couple years ago and all I thought at the time was thank goodness PJ doesn't maximize profits bc I wouldn’t be able to go to a show and I’m sure a lot of us are in this boat.  They are making the shows affordable for all of us and I will be forever thankful for that. For once the rich don’t get to shut the rest of us out. Is that so bad?!?

But they lock in the best seats to the same fans year after year show after show.

no one can get more successful in life and buy into their ticket restriction scheme. Most seating locations were decided 20 years ago.

restriction is restriction, PJ has their version, and the free market has its own that all the other bands rely on.

 Both versions discriminate against large segments of the audience. Boom.

Technically, the ticket is affordable. It's not affordable to fly from DC to Denver (because I couldn't get a Baltimore ticket), pay for local transport, rent a hotel room, and pay for meals, etc. I'm pretty much done with this model, especially with this latest turn of the lottery. The partnership with Ticketmaster has soured my willingness to spend my hard-earned savings to travel to see this band. Though the ticket itself is still affordable, the scarcity of the tickets does in fact shut out many, many people -- or put many, many many people in credit card debt -- who cannot afford the associated travel costs. The only blessing in winning a Denver ticket, as I see it, is that I will be able to sell it at my own discretion.

Saltzy23

pbultimate said:

Saltzy23 said:

It just woulda, ya know, been nice to know that there would basically be be no way into the Baltimore show if I didn't figure it out during the 10C lotto or TM sales when the info about the show leaked like 10 days before the official announcement.

I am an idiot for booking a non-refundable hotel room(and if I have to eat that, fine, it's on me) , but Amtrak is gonna be a hot mess that weekend with the Yankees and PJ in town and I really thought it was the safest bet to reserve that as early as possible. If I have to cancel that, I'll get a 75% credit for another trip, which kinda sucks.

I'll obviously wait longer to make any reservations in the future if this is going to be the new ticketing system, but this was kind of a shitty way to have to learn that lesson.

A non-refundable hotel room becomes a fully refundable hotel room with a simple, polite conversation with the hotel mgr. 

But, there’s no lesson to be learned here.  You booked a bunch of stuff without a ticket. Vegas would love to have you. 

In a million years I never thought I wouldn't get in.  I figured it would have cost me a few hundred bucks for a single shitty seat somewhere if I absolutely had to go that route, but how could anyone have known they would implement a 'non-transferable,  no resale, no secondary market' ticketing system before they announced it?

Hold On

I got 10C tickets via the lottery for all 5 west coast shows, but no confirmation of seats yet for any of the shows.  At what point should I start to be concerned?  Also, will the email come from “Ticketstoday - a ticketmaster company” like the confirmations came from?  
PS.  I had “reserved” for all 5 shows, not Best Available or General Admission.  

halshakarchi

Can this thread please be closed already

JD2381

PEARL JAM 2020 NORTH AMERICA TOUR PRESALE TIMELINE

NEWS JANUARY 27 2020

Current Status: If you were confirmed for a show, Ticketstoday will email you instructions on how to view your tickets on the afternoon of Friday, January 31st.

andrewcurr

 

pbultimate

Mac57

Good Luck to everyone tomorrow!

smak

kst said:

Economics 101:  a shortage exists when demand exceeds supply at the given price.  The price must increase to where demand equals supply to eliminate the shortage.

If 20,000 people would pay up to $300 for a ticket, but the 20,001st person would not, $300 should be the price.

This is the market system.

However PJ prefers a shortage situation with access rights that are based on luck to a market system where those with less income are necessarily left out.  That is very much their brand and their values.  I’m not providing my opinion on whether this is a good or bad thing - but I believe they believe it’s a good thing.

The resale restrictions have to accompany the tickets to preserve this situation because the prices are artificially low and would otherwise  find the market clearing price very quickly.  There’s nothing intrinsically wrong with that (some would say everything is right with that) but it would defeat the purpose they’re trying to achieve.

Spot on.

What they should do is do all the shows in a similar area at once.  So there are 2 NY, and 2 or 3 more in Philly,Boston, etc..... And then do the rest of the East.

Then come back in the Fall to do the rest of the country and the West.

Because what will happen in the fall if they just do 3 or 4 more shows in the NE will be the same thing.

Better to do 5 or 6 in that same area in 10 days.

pbultimate

halshakarchi said:

Can this thread please be closed already

Just. Quit. Clicking. On. It. 

smak

YAKIMATSU said:

Vedd Hedd said:

Companies control and create their own shortages to drive prices up.

EXACTLY.  Diamonds are a perfect example. 

Also Popeyes chicken sandwich, not price, but demand.

lawilczewski2

Saltzy23 said:

It just woulda, ya know, been nice to know that there would basically be be no way into the Baltimore show if I didn't figure it out during the 10C lotto or TM sales when the info about the show leaked like 10 days before the official announcement.

I am an idiot for booking a non-refundable hotel room(and if I have to eat that, fine, it's on me) , but Amtrak is gonna be a hot mess that weekend with the Yankees and PJ in town and I really thought it was the safest bet to reserve that as early as possible. If I have to cancel that, I'll get a 75% credit for another trip, which kinda sucks.

I'll obviously wait longer to make any reservations in the future if this is going to be the new ticketing system, but this was kind of a shitty way to have to learn that lesson.

I imagine that someone on here needs a hotel room in Baltimore and would gladly take it off your hands. Put them as an additional guest on your reservation and they can pay you directly for the room. Call the hotel and let them know that you are paying for ROOM AND TAX only and that your guest will need to put down a CC for incidentals when they check in. That’s of course if you find someone to take the reservation, even at a discount if need be.

OceansJenny

PJNB

Can anyone else explain what supply and demand is in this thread? I am not sure we got it yet. 

tschav

We got a proper supply of comments, yet a demand for entertainment.

Brushdaily

Lerxst1992 said:

Serious question:

is anyone on this forum thinking about the big game Sunday? Or is it 24/7 PJ tickets and tour?

I'm in the SF Bay Area so I am solely thinking about Sunday

Lerxst1992

Saltzy23 said:

It just woulda, ya know, been nice to know that there would basically be be no way into the Baltimore show if I didn't figure it out during the 10C lotto or TM sales when the info about the show leaked like 10 days before the official announcement.

I am an idiot for booking a non-refundable hotel room(and if I have to eat that, fine, it's on me) , but Amtrak is gonna be a hot mess that weekend with the Yankees and PJ in town and I really thought it was the safest bet to reserve that as early as possible. If I have to cancel that, I'll get a 75% credit for another trip, which kinda sucks.

I'll obviously wait longer to make any reservations in the future if this is going to be the new ticketing system, but this was kind of a shitty way to have to learn that lesson.

.

There are “guaranteed” Baltimore tickets on the internet for not the worst of prices. Just not on stub hub.

rollings

YAKIMATSU said:

kst said:

YAKIMATSU said:

Vedd Hedd said:

Companies control and create their own shortages to drive prices up.

EXACTLY.  Diamonds are a perfect example. 

For sure companies do that.  But that is not this situation.  At least not at the individual show level.  They may intentionally tour sparingly so that there’s sufficient buzz when they do to get people interested to enter all these lotteries etc. at a hundred bucks a pop.

I agree. Thank you PJ for not gouging like most companies/bands do.

I don't agree. That doesn't make any sense. They tour "sparingly to create a buzz". 

Oh,is that how Pearl jam creates a buzZ, is it? 

They could do 3 nights at a place for the same $100 "bucks a pop".

 

PJattheGorge

rollings said:

YAKIMATSU said:

kst said:

YAKIMATSU said:

Vedd Hedd said:

Companies control and create their own shortages to drive prices up.

EXACTLY.  Diamonds are a perfect example. 

For sure companies do that.  But that is not this situation.  At least not at the individual show level.  They may intentionally tour sparingly so that there’s sufficient buzz when they do to get people interested to enter all these lotteries etc. at a hundred bucks a pop.

I agree. Thank you PJ for not gouging like most companies/bands do.

I don't agree. That doesn't make any sense. They tour "sparingly to create a buzz". 

Oh,is that how Pearl jam creates a buzZ, is it? 

They could do 3 nights at a place for the same $100 "bucks a pop".

 

Sure, they tour sparingly to create a buzz.  Thats why they still tour.  You nailed it.

ssommers21

tdawe said:

DoDaFoo said:

This thread has gone off the deep end.

Can’t touch the bottom. 

IN TO DEEP