All things Transgender related

mrussel1 · January 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'm all caught up now.

sorry, I was busy waxing science with my philosophy friends over a non-fat-extra-hot-lemon-sprinkled-pretention-filled-professor-recommended-scholar-influenced-trans-latte. (it was a cis coffee, now it's a latte).

Ha! I only drink cis coffee. I also refuse to say Starbucks words. But I'm kind of dickish for no reason like that.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2020

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

brianlux said:

ecdanc said:

brianlux said:

tbergs said:

I can't believe I made it through the whole thread...wow. I felt like it was one of those social gatherings where it starts off with a bunch of people ready to engage and interested in the discussion except then there's that 1 person who slowly drives everyone away with their unwavering arrogance of expertise on the subject. I had a philosophy professor like that once. Drove the class frickin' crazy to the point that on review day we all openly discussed how we were going to rate him so no one else ever had to suffer through the shit we did.

It broke down for me right away when I was basically accused by the Professor of being homophobic because he sees my views (actually it was just one statement) as being "linked quite directly to a long historical line of prejudice" and went on to say that "while I do not necessarily think you purposefully engage in that hate, your speech/views here are linked quite explicitly to the speech/views of those who do. " WTF? Like that is supposed to somehow be an incentive to get me to sit at the feet of the master and be enlightened. Besides which, the Prof obviously does not know me very well. Somebody get me a bucket!

I’ve never really understood the tendency to respond to “something you just said is mildly offensive” with “you don’t know me! Stop calling me a bad person.”

i like to learn, so I will ask a question to the board that will be a learning opportunity for me:

Describe to me instances when someone has effhttp://https//resizing.flixster.com/HMB0opRteNqo1FN9Cw-w172yYmo=/300x300/v1.bjs2OTM1MDA7ajsxODMyMzsxMjAwOzE4MDg7MTgwOA ectively convinced you your behavior/words were inappropriate when you initially thought they were fine? I’m genuinely curious what methods have worked. Because, believe it or not, I’d like to be a more effective advocate.

First of all, you never said what I said was "mildly offensive", you referred to me as being prejudiced. And I did not ask you to "stop calling me a bad person". You of all people, Professor, should know it is not good debating to misquote yourself or the other person.

As far as your loaded question scenario, I can't help you there bud because I have said nothing that isn't true. I respect your right to have your beliefs, but I don't respect you being so full of yourself. You might consider that, as I'm obviously not the only one here who thinks that is the case. And as far as wanting to be a more effective advocate, you might consider looking at your own self-inflated way of discussing an issue instead of insinuating the problem is with the other person. At this point, you've totally lost me as seeing you as an effective advocate.

And, no, you obviously don't know much about me.

See, here's the thing: I'm asking to learn. I have a sense that it is impossible to convince you that you're wrong in certain areas, but I'm happy (ecstatic) to be proven wrong. I'm asking how others have accomplished this seemingly simple feat. Has it ever happened? To phrase that differently, what have others done that made you see them as "an effective advocate?"

And, while this will go nowhere: yes, I said you were being mildly offensive. I said your statement was directly linked to a historical line of prejudice. That's basically what it means to be mildly offensive in my book: you've said something that unintentionally reinforces marginalizing discourse.

And, lastly, the "you . . . don't know much about me" is why it sounds like you think I'm calling you a bad person. I don't have to know you to know that statement's relationship to discourses of prejudice. I'm not passing judgment on you; I'm passing judgment on your words.

You keep saying you want to learn...but I haven't seen evidence of that at all. The first half of your next sentence shows your motives better, and I don;t believe the second half at all.

To be honest I am interested in the topic and understanding more. I have many questions.

So.... Theyby. Why use that instead of baby? Baby doesn't denote any specific gender. What is the purpose of changing that? To me, it honestly seems like it's more for the parents, which seems to go against the whole, let the child decide for themselves. And I guess, a child doesn't really decide for itself at the 3-4 year age where I've read gender becomes apparent to them. It's just their nature coming out. Wouldn't this come out anyhow? Couldn't you still use whatever customary pronouns exist and then just support your child as you see it?

have more questions but don't know how to type them at this point.

I've known a lot of people who give their yet unborn children little pet names. Sometimes it's because they don't want others to know the name they've chosen yet (that was part of our motivation); sometimes it's just a sort of cutesy thing (some good friends of mine called their child Biscuit until she was born). So, we went with "Theyby" as our cutesy name. Not really much more to it than that. Put differently, calling P theyby before they were born wasn't necessarily a part of raising them gender neutral, even if that decision influenced the pet name we chose.

My answer to the question I bolded is....maybe? I feel like by now I've expressed WHY we do it--our hopes for what it will accomplish--but I'm not trying to imply that ours is the only way to do it. There likely will never be a moment when we know if it "worked" or not--just like other parents, we're trying to do what we think is right/best. That's all.

As for your first paragraph, all I can say is I'm being sincere. I am absolutely an asshole the vast majority of the time, but--though I know people here have no reason to take my word for it--I work everyday to avoid being inflexible. I.e., I really do want to learn.

You keep saying "P". What is your child's legal name? I"m curious if you gave P a name that is androgynous or truly neutral.

No offense, but that's not something I feel comfortable sharing here. The name is intended to be gender neutral.

edited for offensive image

ecdanc · January 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

brianlux said:

ecdanc said:

brianlux said:

tbergs said:

I can't believe I made it through the whole thread...wow. I felt like it was one of those social gatherings where it starts off with a bunch of people ready to engage and interested in the discussion except then there's that 1 person who slowly drives everyone away with their unwavering arrogance of expertise on the subject. I had a philosophy professor like that once. Drove the class frickin' crazy to the point that on review day we all openly discussed how we were going to rate him so no one else ever had to suffer through the shit we did.

It broke down for me right away when I was basically accused by the Professor of being homophobic because he sees my views (actually it was just one statement) as being "linked quite directly to a long historical line of prejudice" and went on to say that "while I do not necessarily think you purposefully engage in that hate, your speech/views here are linked quite explicitly to the speech/views of those who do. " WTF? Like that is supposed to somehow be an incentive to get me to sit at the feet of the master and be enlightened. Besides which, the Prof obviously does not know me very well. Somebody get me a bucket!

I’ve never really understood the tendency to respond to “something you just said is mildly offensive” with “you don’t know me! Stop calling me a bad person.”

i like to learn, so I will ask a question to the board that will be a learning opportunity for me:

Describe to me instances when someone has effhttp://https//resizing.flixster.com/HMB0opRteNqo1FN9Cw-w172yYmo=/300x300/v1.bjs2OTM1MDA7ajsxODMyMzsxMjAwOzE4MDg7MTgwOA ectively convinced you your behavior/words were inappropriate when you initially thought they were fine? I’m genuinely curious what methods have worked. Because, believe it or not, I’d like to be a more effective advocate.

First of all, you never said what I said was "mildly offensive", you referred to me as being prejudiced. And I did not ask you to "stop calling me a bad person". You of all people, Professor, should know it is not good debating to misquote yourself or the other person.

As far as your loaded question scenario, I can't help you there bud because I have said nothing that isn't true. I respect your right to have your beliefs, but I don't respect you being so full of yourself. You might consider that, as I'm obviously not the only one here who thinks that is the case. And as far as wanting to be a more effective advocate, you might consider looking at your own self-inflated way of discussing an issue instead of insinuating the problem is with the other person. At this point, you've totally lost me as seeing you as an effective advocate.

And, no, you obviously don't know much about me.

See, here's the thing: I'm asking to learn. I have a sense that it is impossible to convince you that you're wrong in certain areas, but I'm happy (ecstatic) to be proven wrong. I'm asking how others have accomplished this seemingly simple feat. Has it ever happened? To phrase that differently, what have others done that made you see them as "an effective advocate?"

And, while this will go nowhere: yes, I said you were being mildly offensive. I said your statement was directly linked to a historical line of prejudice. That's basically what it means to be mildly offensive in my book: you've said something that unintentionally reinforces marginalizing discourse.

And, lastly, the "you . . . don't know much about me" is why it sounds like you think I'm calling you a bad person. I don't have to know you to know that statement's relationship to discourses of prejudice. I'm not passing judgment on you; I'm passing judgment on your words.

You keep saying you want to learn...but I haven't seen evidence of that at all. The first half of your next sentence shows your motives better, and I don;t believe the second half at all.

To be honest I am interested in the topic and understanding more. I have many questions.

So.... Theyby. Why use that instead of baby? Baby doesn't denote any specific gender. What is the purpose of changing that? To me, it honestly seems like it's more for the parents, which seems to go against the whole, let the child decide for themselves. And I guess, a child doesn't really decide for itself at the 3-4 year age where I've read gender becomes apparent to them. It's just their nature coming out. Wouldn't this come out anyhow? Couldn't you still use whatever customary pronouns exist and then just support your child as you see it?

have more questions but don't know how to type them at this point.

I've known a lot of people who give their yet unborn children little pet names. Sometimes it's because they don't want others to know the name they've chosen yet (that was part of our motivation); sometimes it's just a sort of cutesy thing (some good friends of mine called their child Biscuit until she was born). So, we went with "Theyby" as our cutesy name. Not really much more to it than that. Put differently, calling P theyby before they were born wasn't necessarily a part of raising them gender neutral, even if that decision influenced the pet name we chose.

My answer to the question I bolded is....maybe? I feel like by now I've expressed WHY we do it--our hopes for what it will accomplish--but I'm not trying to imply that ours is the only way to do it. There likely will never be a moment when we know if it "worked" or not--just like other parents, we're trying to do what we think is right/best. That's all.

As for your first paragraph, all I can say is I'm being sincere. I am absolutely an asshole the vast majority of the time, but--though I know people here have no reason to take my word for it--I work everyday to avoid being inflexible. I.e., I really do want to learn.

You keep saying "P". What is your child's legal name? I"m curious if you gave P a name that is androgynous or truly neutral.

No offense, but that's not something I feel comfortable sharing here. The name is intended to be gender neutral.

Takes a big man to poke fun at a 9-month-old.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2020

ecdanc said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

brianlux said:

ecdanc said:

brianlux said:

tbergs said:

I can't believe I made it through the whole thread...wow. I felt like it was one of those social gatherings where it starts off with a bunch of people ready to engage and interested in the discussion except then there's that 1 person who slowly drives everyone away with their unwavering arrogance of expertise on the subject. I had a philosophy professor like that once. Drove the class frickin' crazy to the point that on review day we all openly discussed how we were going to rate him so no one else ever had to suffer through the shit we did.

It broke down for me right away when I was basically accused by the Professor of being homophobic because he sees my views (actually it was just one statement) as being "linked quite directly to a long historical line of prejudice" and went on to say that "while I do not necessarily think you purposefully engage in that hate, your speech/views here are linked quite explicitly to the speech/views of those who do. " WTF? Like that is supposed to somehow be an incentive to get me to sit at the feet of the master and be enlightened. Besides which, the Prof obviously does not know me very well. Somebody get me a bucket!

I’ve never really understood the tendency to respond to “something you just said is mildly offensive” with “you don’t know me! Stop calling me a bad person.”

i like to learn, so I will ask a question to the board that will be a learning opportunity for me:

Describe to me instances when someone has effhttp://https//resizing.flixster.com/HMB0opRteNqo1FN9Cw-w172yYmo=/300x300/v1.bjs2OTM1MDA7ajsxODMyMzsxMjAwOzE4MDg7MTgwOA ectively convinced you your behavior/words were inappropriate when you initially thought they were fine? I’m genuinely curious what methods have worked. Because, believe it or not, I’d like to be a more effective advocate.

First of all, you never said what I said was "mildly offensive", you referred to me as being prejudiced. And I did not ask you to "stop calling me a bad person". You of all people, Professor, should know it is not good debating to misquote yourself or the other person.

As far as your loaded question scenario, I can't help you there bud because I have said nothing that isn't true. I respect your right to have your beliefs, but I don't respect you being so full of yourself. You might consider that, as I'm obviously not the only one here who thinks that is the case. And as far as wanting to be a more effective advocate, you might consider looking at your own self-inflated way of discussing an issue instead of insinuating the problem is with the other person. At this point, you've totally lost me as seeing you as an effective advocate.

And, no, you obviously don't know much about me.

See, here's the thing: I'm asking to learn. I have a sense that it is impossible to convince you that you're wrong in certain areas, but I'm happy (ecstatic) to be proven wrong. I'm asking how others have accomplished this seemingly simple feat. Has it ever happened? To phrase that differently, what have others done that made you see them as "an effective advocate?"

And, while this will go nowhere: yes, I said you were being mildly offensive. I said your statement was directly linked to a historical line of prejudice. That's basically what it means to be mildly offensive in my book: you've said something that unintentionally reinforces marginalizing discourse.

And, lastly, the "you . . . don't know much about me" is why it sounds like you think I'm calling you a bad person. I don't have to know you to know that statement's relationship to discourses of prejudice. I'm not passing judgment on you; I'm passing judgment on your words.

You keep saying you want to learn...but I haven't seen evidence of that at all. The first half of your next sentence shows your motives better, and I don;t believe the second half at all.

To be honest I am interested in the topic and understanding more. I have many questions.

So.... Theyby. Why use that instead of baby? Baby doesn't denote any specific gender. What is the purpose of changing that? To me, it honestly seems like it's more for the parents, which seems to go against the whole, let the child decide for themselves. And I guess, a child doesn't really decide for itself at the 3-4 year age where I've read gender becomes apparent to them. It's just their nature coming out. Wouldn't this come out anyhow? Couldn't you still use whatever customary pronouns exist and then just support your child as you see it?

have more questions but don't know how to type them at this point.

I've known a lot of people who give their yet unborn children little pet names. Sometimes it's because they don't want others to know the name they've chosen yet (that was part of our motivation); sometimes it's just a sort of cutesy thing (some good friends of mine called their child Biscuit until she was born). So, we went with "Theyby" as our cutesy name. Not really much more to it than that. Put differently, calling P theyby before they were born wasn't necessarily a part of raising them gender neutral, even if that decision influenced the pet name we chose.

My answer to the question I bolded is....maybe? I feel like by now I've expressed WHY we do it--our hopes for what it will accomplish--but I'm not trying to imply that ours is the only way to do it. There likely will never be a moment when we know if it "worked" or not--just like other parents, we're trying to do what we think is right/best. That's all.

As for your first paragraph, all I can say is I'm being sincere. I am absolutely an asshole the vast majority of the time, but--though I know people here have no reason to take my word for it--I work everyday to avoid being inflexible. I.e., I really do want to learn.

You keep saying "P". What is your child's legal name? I"m curious if you gave P a name that is androgynous or truly neutral.

No offense, but that's not something I feel comfortable sharing here. The name is intended to be gender neutral.

Takes a bit man to poke fun at a 9-month-old.

yeah, I'm making fun of a baby. get a grip dude. you said "P", and gender neutral., made me think of that old SNL skit (and horrendous movie).

ecdanc · January 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

ecdanc said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

brianlux said:

ecdanc said:

brianlux said:

tbergs said:

I can't believe I made it through the whole thread...wow. I felt like it was one of those social gatherings where it starts off with a bunch of people ready to engage and interested in the discussion except then there's that 1 person who slowly drives everyone away with their unwavering arrogance of expertise on the subject. I had a philosophy professor like that once. Drove the class frickin' crazy to the point that on review day we all openly discussed how we were going to rate him so no one else ever had to suffer through the shit we did.

It broke down for me right away when I was basically accused by the Professor of being homophobic because he sees my views (actually it was just one statement) as being "linked quite directly to a long historical line of prejudice" and went on to say that "while I do not necessarily think you purposefully engage in that hate, your speech/views here are linked quite explicitly to the speech/views of those who do. " WTF? Like that is supposed to somehow be an incentive to get me to sit at the feet of the master and be enlightened. Besides which, the Prof obviously does not know me very well. Somebody get me a bucket!

I’ve never really understood the tendency to respond to “something you just said is mildly offensive” with “you don’t know me! Stop calling me a bad person.”

i like to learn, so I will ask a question to the board that will be a learning opportunity for me:

Describe to me instances when someone has effhttp://https//resizing.flixster.com/HMB0opRteNqo1FN9Cw-w172yYmo=/300x300/v1.bjs2OTM1MDA7ajsxODMyMzsxMjAwOzE4MDg7MTgwOA ectively convinced you your behavior/words were inappropriate when you initially thought they were fine? I’m genuinely curious what methods have worked. Because, believe it or not, I’d like to be a more effective advocate.

First of all, you never said what I said was "mildly offensive", you referred to me as being prejudiced. And I did not ask you to "stop calling me a bad person". You of all people, Professor, should know it is not good debating to misquote yourself or the other person.

As far as your loaded question scenario, I can't help you there bud because I have said nothing that isn't true. I respect your right to have your beliefs, but I don't respect you being so full of yourself. You might consider that, as I'm obviously not the only one here who thinks that is the case. And as far as wanting to be a more effective advocate, you might consider looking at your own self-inflated way of discussing an issue instead of insinuating the problem is with the other person. At this point, you've totally lost me as seeing you as an effective advocate.

And, no, you obviously don't know much about me.

See, here's the thing: I'm asking to learn. I have a sense that it is impossible to convince you that you're wrong in certain areas, but I'm happy (ecstatic) to be proven wrong. I'm asking how others have accomplished this seemingly simple feat. Has it ever happened? To phrase that differently, what have others done that made you see them as "an effective advocate?"

And, while this will go nowhere: yes, I said you were being mildly offensive. I said your statement was directly linked to a historical line of prejudice. That's basically what it means to be mildly offensive in my book: you've said something that unintentionally reinforces marginalizing discourse.

And, lastly, the "you . . . don't know much about me" is why it sounds like you think I'm calling you a bad person. I don't have to know you to know that statement's relationship to discourses of prejudice. I'm not passing judgment on you; I'm passing judgment on your words.

You keep saying you want to learn...but I haven't seen evidence of that at all. The first half of your next sentence shows your motives better, and I don;t believe the second half at all.

To be honest I am interested in the topic and understanding more. I have many questions.

So.... Theyby. Why use that instead of baby? Baby doesn't denote any specific gender. What is the purpose of changing that? To me, it honestly seems like it's more for the parents, which seems to go against the whole, let the child decide for themselves. And I guess, a child doesn't really decide for itself at the 3-4 year age where I've read gender becomes apparent to them. It's just their nature coming out. Wouldn't this come out anyhow? Couldn't you still use whatever customary pronouns exist and then just support your child as you see it?

have more questions but don't know how to type them at this point.

I've known a lot of people who give their yet unborn children little pet names. Sometimes it's because they don't want others to know the name they've chosen yet (that was part of our motivation); sometimes it's just a sort of cutesy thing (some good friends of mine called their child Biscuit until she was born). So, we went with "Theyby" as our cutesy name. Not really much more to it than that. Put differently, calling P theyby before they were born wasn't necessarily a part of raising them gender neutral, even if that decision influenced the pet name we chose.

My answer to the question I bolded is....maybe? I feel like by now I've expressed WHY we do it--our hopes for what it will accomplish--but I'm not trying to imply that ours is the only way to do it. There likely will never be a moment when we know if it "worked" or not--just like other parents, we're trying to do what we think is right/best. That's all.

As for your first paragraph, all I can say is I'm being sincere. I am absolutely an asshole the vast majority of the time, but--though I know people here have no reason to take my word for it--I work everyday to avoid being inflexible. I.e., I really do want to learn.

You keep saying "P". What is your child's legal name? I"m curious if you gave P a name that is androgynous or truly neutral.

No offense, but that's not something I feel comfortable sharing here. The name is intended to be gender neutral.

Takes a bit man to poke fun at a 9-month-old.

yeah, I'm making fun of a baby. get a grip dude. you said "P", and gender neutral., made me think of that old SNL skit (and horrendous movie).

You responded to a post about my child's name with a reference to an offensively dated mockery.

ecdanc · January 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

ecdanc said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

brianlux said:

ecdanc said:

brianlux said:

tbergs said:

I can't believe I made it through the whole thread...wow. I felt like it was one of those social gatherings where it starts off with a bunch of people ready to engage and interested in the discussion except then there's that 1 person who slowly drives everyone away with their unwavering arrogance of expertise on the subject. I had a philosophy professor like that once. Drove the class frickin' crazy to the point that on review day we all openly discussed how we were going to rate him so no one else ever had to suffer through the shit we did.

It broke down for me right away when I was basically accused by the Professor of being homophobic because he sees my views (actually it was just one statement) as being "linked quite directly to a long historical line of prejudice" and went on to say that "while I do not necessarily think you purposefully engage in that hate, your speech/views here are linked quite explicitly to the speech/views of those who do. " WTF? Like that is supposed to somehow be an incentive to get me to sit at the feet of the master and be enlightened. Besides which, the Prof obviously does not know me very well. Somebody get me a bucket!

I’ve never really understood the tendency to respond to “something you just said is mildly offensive” with “you don’t know me! Stop calling me a bad person.”

i like to learn, so I will ask a question to the board that will be a learning opportunity for me:

Describe to me instances when someone has effhttp://https//resizing.flixster.com/HMB0opRteNqo1FN9Cw-w172yYmo=/300x300/v1.bjs2OTM1MDA7ajsxODMyMzsxMjAwOzE4MDg7MTgwOA ectively convinced you your behavior/words were inappropriate when you initially thought they were fine? I’m genuinely curious what methods have worked. Because, believe it or not, I’d like to be a more effective advocate.

First of all, you never said what I said was "mildly offensive", you referred to me as being prejudiced. And I did not ask you to "stop calling me a bad person". You of all people, Professor, should know it is not good debating to misquote yourself or the other person.

As far as your loaded question scenario, I can't help you there bud because I have said nothing that isn't true. I respect your right to have your beliefs, but I don't respect you being so full of yourself. You might consider that, as I'm obviously not the only one here who thinks that is the case. And as far as wanting to be a more effective advocate, you might consider looking at your own self-inflated way of discussing an issue instead of insinuating the problem is with the other person. At this point, you've totally lost me as seeing you as an effective advocate.

And, no, you obviously don't know much about me.

See, here's the thing: I'm asking to learn. I have a sense that it is impossible to convince you that you're wrong in certain areas, but I'm happy (ecstatic) to be proven wrong. I'm asking how others have accomplished this seemingly simple feat. Has it ever happened? To phrase that differently, what have others done that made you see them as "an effective advocate?"

And, while this will go nowhere: yes, I said you were being mildly offensive. I said your statement was directly linked to a historical line of prejudice. That's basically what it means to be mildly offensive in my book: you've said something that unintentionally reinforces marginalizing discourse.

And, lastly, the "you . . . don't know much about me" is why it sounds like you think I'm calling you a bad person. I don't have to know you to know that statement's relationship to discourses of prejudice. I'm not passing judgment on you; I'm passing judgment on your words.

You keep saying you want to learn...but I haven't seen evidence of that at all. The first half of your next sentence shows your motives better, and I don;t believe the second half at all.

To be honest I am interested in the topic and understanding more. I have many questions.

So.... Theyby. Why use that instead of baby? Baby doesn't denote any specific gender. What is the purpose of changing that? To me, it honestly seems like it's more for the parents, which seems to go against the whole, let the child decide for themselves. And I guess, a child doesn't really decide for itself at the 3-4 year age where I've read gender becomes apparent to them. It's just their nature coming out. Wouldn't this come out anyhow? Couldn't you still use whatever customary pronouns exist and then just support your child as you see it?

have more questions but don't know how to type them at this point.

I've known a lot of people who give their yet unborn children little pet names. Sometimes it's because they don't want others to know the name they've chosen yet (that was part of our motivation); sometimes it's just a sort of cutesy thing (some good friends of mine called their child Biscuit until she was born). So, we went with "Theyby" as our cutesy name. Not really much more to it than that. Put differently, calling P theyby before they were born wasn't necessarily a part of raising them gender neutral, even if that decision influenced the pet name we chose.

My answer to the question I bolded is....maybe? I feel like by now I've expressed WHY we do it--our hopes for what it will accomplish--but I'm not trying to imply that ours is the only way to do it. There likely will never be a moment when we know if it "worked" or not--just like other parents, we're trying to do what we think is right/best. That's all.

As for your first paragraph, all I can say is I'm being sincere. I am absolutely an asshole the vast majority of the time, but--though I know people here have no reason to take my word for it--I work everyday to avoid being inflexible. I.e., I really do want to learn.

You keep saying "P". What is your child's legal name? I"m curious if you gave P a name that is androgynous or truly neutral.

No offense, but that's not something I feel comfortable sharing here. The name is intended to be gender neutral.

Takes a bit man to poke fun at a 9-month-old.

yeah, I'm making fun of a baby. get a grip dude. you said "P", and gender neutral., made me think of that old SNL skit (and horrendous movie).

Since you like coffee, maybe we could meet up for some at one of the upcoming shows. My treat.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2020

I responded to a post about a gender neutral name starting with the letter P. seriously dude, chill out.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2020

if you are truly offended by that, then fine, my apologies and I will edit my post.

ecdanc · January 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

if you are truly offended by that, then fine, my apologies and I will edit my post.

Thank you.

cincybearcat · January 2020

mrussel1 said:

Rule of thumb on the AMT.. if you piss off @brianlux, it's probably you. It's pretty simple. Brian is the nicest, least argumentative person that's a regular here.

Didn’t see you post it before I said basically the same thing again. Right on

HughFreakingDillon · January 2020

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'm all caught up now.

sorry, I was busy waxing science with my philosophy friends over a non-fat-extra-hot-lemon-sprinkled-pretention-filled-professor-recommended-scholar-influenced-trans-latte. (it was a cis coffee, now it's a latte).

Ha! I only drink cis coffee. I also refuse to say Starbucks words. But I'm kind of dickish for no reason like that.

honestly I like starbucks coffee, but all that nonsense about all the specifications is kind of intimidating. LOL

ecdanc · January 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

if you are truly offended by that, then fine, my apologies and I will edit my post.

It hit a nerve because a very old professor brought up this SNL skit at a social event while asking about my child. It took everything in my power not to floor the old codger right there.

ecdanc · January 2020

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

Rule of thumb on the AMT.. if you piss off @brianlux, it's probably you. It's pretty simple. Brian is the nicest, least argumentative person that's a regular here.

Didn’t see you post it before I said basically the same thing again. Right on

Image: https://www.parentingthemodernfamily.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/oregon-trail-4.jpg

HughFreakingDillon · January 2020

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

Rule of thumb on the AMT.. if you piss off @brianlux, it's probably you. It's pretty simple. Brian is the nicest, least argumentative person that's a regular here.

Didn’t see you post it before I said basically the same thing again. Right on

with a few minor exceptions over the years, it's actually true. he's very difficult to piss off. he is very fair, balanced, and level headed most of the time. and when he once went over the line, he BANNED HIMSELF FOR 3 MONTHS. seriously.

mickeyrat · January 2020

ecdanc said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

if you are truly offended by that, then fine, my apologies and I will edit my post.

It hit a nerve because a very old professor brought up this SNL skit at a social event while asking about my child. It took everything in my power not to floor the old codger right there.

that skit was more commentary about society at large than mockery of an obviously gender neutral person who seemed quite comfortable being just Pat. Perhaps it was more meant as a learning experience for the ignorant on the topic and way ahead of its time. WE were the fools not Pat. Pat won out every single time as just Pat. Where is the mockery in that.

have you ever considered that take?

if I may suggest something I hope is helpful to you, not everyone or most think as you and your spouse. Prepare yourself for more of the same from uncouth in the moment unthinking people. What will come isnt about your personally or your child per se but more about the out in the public sphere newness of this new(to most of us) reality. Keep it in check or wind up in jail or worse......

HughFreakingDillon · January 2020

ecdanc said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

if you are truly offended by that, then fine, my apologies and I will edit my post.

It hit a nerve because a very old professor brought up this SNL skit at a social event while asking about my child. It took everything in my power not to floor the old codger right there.

fair enough. I wouldn't do such a thing. I wasn't thinking that it was insulting your child, not at all, so my apologies. it was never my intent. I have kids who have been brought up in discussions here so I get it. My bad.

cincybearcat · January 2020

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

Rule of thumb on the AMT.. if you piss off @brianlux, it's probably you. It's pretty simple. Brian is the nicest, least argumentative person that's a regular here.

Didn’t see you post it before I said basically the same thing again. Right on

I thought you liked to learn? Apparently not. You just like to lash out with pictures like some others around these parts.

ecdanc · January 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

Rule of thumb on the AMT.. if you piss off @brianlux, it's probably you. It's pretty simple. Brian is the nicest, least argumentative person that's a regular here.

Didn’t see you post it before I said basically the same thing again. Right on

with a few minor exceptions over the years, it's actually true. he's very difficult to piss off. he is very fair, balanced, and level headed most of the time. and when he once went over the line, he BANNED HIMSELF FOR 3 MONTHS. seriously.

I can only go on what I've seen; I understand others going on what they've seen. FWIW, I don't find it at all hard to believe that Brianlux is a good dude. I have tried to avoid passing any judgement on his character.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2020

and isn't "old codger" an offensive term? LOL

ecdanc · January 2020

mickeyrat said:

ecdanc said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

if you are truly offended by that, then fine, my apologies and I will edit my post.

It hit a nerve because a very old professor brought up this SNL skit at a social event while asking about my child. It took everything in my power not to floor the old codger right there.

that skit was more commentary about society at large than mockery of an obviously gender neutral person who seemed quite comfortable being just Pat. Perhaps it was more meant as a learning experience for the ignorant on the topic and way ahead of its time. WE were the fools not Pat. Pat won out every single time as just Pat. Where is the mockery in that.
have you ever considered that take?

if I may suggest something I hope is helpful to you, not everyone or most think as you and your spouse. Prepare yourself for more of the same from uncouth in the moment unthinking people. What will come isnt about your personally or your child per se but more about the out in the public sphere newness of this new(to most of us) reality. Keep it in check or wind up in jail or worse......

Many satires belittle their subjects even as they try to elucidate injustice. I thank you for raising the point, but I don't fully buy your reading of the skit.

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