The coronavirus

static111

gvn2fly1421 said:

static111 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"?  When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data".  For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.

The problem with vaers is that literally anyone can post anything, got a vaccine and then ate 5 burritos and had diarrhea? Bam vaccine side effect, your 90 year old grandma that was dying of Alzheimer’s gets the vaccine and dies a couple weeks later, bam side effect.   All of these events are gone over by doctors and scientists, and when links are established more research is done, which led to j&j being taken off the market for a time.  So I’m not worried about vaers data if t he scientists aren’t.

So VAERS is a big ol' nothing burger.  Cool, I get it.  But in your example, if my 90 year old grandma caught covid, then passed two weeks later she would be counted as a covid death.  So why are we not treating the vaccines the same way?

My dad who is retired and works for a major home improvement retailer lost a friend from work.  79 year old man who was three weeks removed from his second dose.  Heart attack.  Also found to have covid, and his death certificate had.... covid.  

It's just weird to me that no one is really digging into this stuff.  By no one, I mean some of the major outlets.

Doctors and scientists are going over it daily to look for actual causal relationships. Not anecdotal connections.

PJPOWER

This virus sucks:
https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1113/EP089481

They are seeing cardiovascular issues in people that didn’t even get a “bad” case of it.   

PJNB

PJPOWER said:

This virus sucks:
https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1113/EP089481

They are seeing cardiovascular issues in people that didn’t even get a “bad” case of it.   

 I would love to see a before and after of the same person with this not just 1 group prior and a different group after. 

PJPOWER

PJNB said:

PJPOWER said:

This virus sucks:
https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1113/EP089481

They are seeing cardiovascular issues in people that didn’t even get a “bad” case of it.   

 I would love to see a before and after of the same person with this not just 1 group prior and a different group after. 

It was a small sample group too, but one more study in a pile of evidence that reaffirms this virus may have long term effects beyond the initial infection.

OnWis97

static111 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

static111 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"?  When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data".  For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.

The problem with vaers is that literally anyone can post anything, got a vaccine and then ate 5 burritos and had diarrhea? Bam vaccine side effect, your 90 year old grandma that was dying of Alzheimer’s gets the vaccine and dies a couple weeks later, bam side effect.   All of these events are gone over by doctors and scientists, and when links are established more research is done, which led to j&j being taken off the market for a time.  So I’m not worried about vaers data if t he scientists aren’t.

So VAERS is a big ol' nothing burger.  Cool, I get it.  But in your example, if my 90 year old grandma caught covid, then passed two weeks later she would be counted as a covid death.  So why are we not treating the vaccines the same way?

My dad who is retired and works for a major home improvement retailer lost a friend from work.  79 year old man who was three weeks removed from his second dose.  Heart attack.  Also found to have covid, and his death certificate had.... covid.  

It's just weird to me that no one is really digging into this stuff.  By no one, I mean some of the major outlets.

Doctors and scientists are going over it daily to look for actual causal relationships. Not anecdotal connections.

They need to educate themselves!
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Spunkie

elvistheking44 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

There seems to be a major disconnect from a majority in this thread with what happens in the real world.  The majority in this thread seem to think that catching the virus equates to automatic death.  Reality is that is far from the case.  In fact, catching the virus for most means you do not even know you have it.

If the virus was making it's way around the world in 2018, and even in the US in late 2019 ( https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785/6012472 ), you have to eventually ask yourself, were all the mitigation efforts worth it?  

Dunno, just food for thought.

literally no one here has said that, or even come close to inferring it. just stop. 

I don’t know….lots of talk in here about you killing your neighbor if you don’t vaccinate yourself….it’s kind of the same thought.

Let's put this into perspective and "maybe kill it better yet" shall we?

The mentioning of 'killing' or spreading the virus to others if children get a choice to not vaccinate, pertained to a discussion about the pressure kids might have.

Kids blame themselves for parents' divorces, so it's not too out-of-proportion for children to misconstrue, from an egocentric stage in child development, some of the messages they are getting from media (not parents).

HughFreakingDillon

manitoba locked up tight again. basically everything is shut down. businesses can run at 10% capacity. all churches, restaurants (even outdoor patios), libraries, museums, gyms, "personal care", dance classes, even outdoor sports. until may 30. 

and we have inside info that grades 7-12 will go full remote learning on monday. 

F Me In The Brain

I'm sure there are some here who will remark that Manitoba should just get on with things.  People are fed up.


Hope the numbers go back down and they can safely open back up again soon.
Fucking Covid.

PJNB

HughFreakingDillon said:

manitoba locked up tight again. basically everything is shut down. businesses can run at 10% capacity. all churches, restaurants (even outdoor patios), libraries, museums, gyms, "personal care", dance classes, even outdoor sports. until may 30. 

and we have inside info that grades 7-12 will go full remote learning on monday. 

One good thing with this wave compared to Novembers is the deaths are not nearly as high. Hopefully the lockdowns work along with the vaccine distributions being ramped up and the summer things can open up for you guys. 

what dreams

By and large, the 12+ year olds will be as fine as all the rest of us regarding the vaccine. The science-powers-that-be are not going to release a vaccine to younger people if it's significantly unsafe. They take a bunch of shots as babies. They cry because, let's face it, none of us like to be stuck with needles. They survive it, though, don't they?

If "media" is causing so much generalized teenage anxiety, TURN IT OFF. Take their damn phones away from them, change the channel. That's the solution. I've had it with parents blaming social media for their children's anxiety. Children only have access to social media because ADULTS have sold it to their PARENTS, and their parents allow their kids to get addicted to it. This problem did not begin with Covid.

F Me In The Brain

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Lerxst1992

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

static111 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"?  When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data".  For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.

The problem with vaers is that literally anyone can post anything, got a vaccine and then ate 5 burritos and had diarrhea? Bam vaccine side effect, your 90 year old grandma that was dying of Alzheimer’s gets the vaccine and dies a couple weeks later, bam side effect.   All of these events are gone over by doctors and scientists, and when links are established more research is done, which led to j&j being taken off the market for a time.  So I’m not worried about vaers data if t he scientists aren’t.

So VAERS is a big ol' nothing burger.  Cool, I get it.  But in your example, if my 90 year old grandma caught covid, then passed two weeks later she would be counted as a covid death.  So why are we not treating the vaccines the same way?

My dad who is retired and works for a major home improvement retailer lost a friend from work.  79 year old man who was three weeks removed from his second dose.  Heart attack.  Also found to have covid, and his death certificate had.... covid.  

It's just weird to me that no one is really digging into this stuff.  By no one, I mean some of the major outlets.

Oh I think the Ethical Skeptic is digging pretty hard, manipulating data, inventing misleading graphs, etc.  He's doing a bang up job.  Maybe if your dad's friend that died with COVID in his system wasn't classified as a COVID death, he'd still be alive.  

Nah, this is not coming from TES...  But below is...  More data that seems to suggest Covid-19 should have been called covid-18...

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1390431778536558602

Taiwan and S Korea had 1800 covid deaths  combined for 2020 AND 2021 - where exactly do you expect to see such a small amount show up in these charts? For the USA, the chart does a good job proving the devastating impact.

Lerxst1992

gvn2fly1421 said:

static111 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"?  When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data".  For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.

The problem with vaers is that literally anyone can post anything, got a vaccine and then ate 5 burritos and had diarrhea? Bam vaccine side effect, your 90 year old grandma that was dying of Alzheimer’s gets the vaccine and dies a couple weeks later, bam side effect.   All of these events are gone over by doctors and scientists, and when links are established more research is done, which led to j&j being taken off the market for a time.  So I’m not worried about vaers data if t he scientists aren’t.

So VAERS is a big ol' nothing burger.  Cool, I get it.  But in your example, if my 90 year old grandma caught covid, then passed two weeks later she would be counted as a covid death.  So why are we not treating the vaccines the same way?

Here are covid hospitalizations in NY. We can see in April 2020, it went from a couple hundred to fifteen thousand in a couple of weeks. We then see from may to aug 20 NY hospitalizations drop rapidly when the state has strict lockdowns. Then when schools and business started reopening in late summer and fall, cases started to gradually rise, followed by a steep rise in the winter. Then we see a sharp decline in April to May 2021 as most adult NYers are vaccinated?

Are you saying the NY doctors treating thousands of patients in April 2020 did not know their patients were suffering from something other than covid? That there is some other mysterious force at play here preventing them from breathing in the matter of days and sending people to the hospital that matches the alleged facts reported by the media - a huge surge at the beginning when we didn’t know how fast nor how much was coming? That closing businesses stopped some other highly communicable disease that caused NY hospitals to empty out? That opening schools and businesses in the fall created some other reason for hospitals to get busier again?

That winter created some other dangerous highly communicable disease packing hospitals again ? And finally, something other than the vaccine caused hospitals to empty again?

Look, I know we are being trolled, in fact trump trolled the entire country which will not recover from his misinformation for years to come. But this statistic is very clear. 

I am sorry if your grandma passed, and it’s impossible to understand covid anecdotally, but the hospitalizations in NY paint a very clear picture what’s been happening the last 15 months.

oftenreading

gvn2fly1421 said:

static111 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"?  When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data".  For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.

The problem with vaers is that literally anyone can post anything, got a vaccine and then ate 5 burritos and had diarrhea? Bam vaccine side effect, your 90 year old grandma that was dying of Alzheimer’s gets the vaccine and dies a couple weeks later, bam side effect.   All of these events are gone over by doctors and scientists, and when links are established more research is done, which led to j&j being taken off the market for a time.  So I’m not worried about vaers data if t he scientists aren’t.

So VAERS is a big ol' nothing burger.  Cool, I get it.  But in your example, if my 90 year old grandma caught covid, then passed two weeks later she would be counted as a covid death.  So why are we not treating the vaccines the same way?

My dad who is retired and works for a major home improvement retailer lost a friend from work.  79 year old man who was three weeks removed from his second dose.  Heart attack.  Also found to have covid, and his death certificate had.... covid.  

It's just weird to me that no one is really digging into this stuff.  By no one, I mean some of the major outlets.

Because pathophysiology

nicknyr15

73,000 people at the Canelo fight last night in Texas. 

lastexitlondon

nicknyr15 said:

73,000 people at the Canelo fight last night in Texas. 

And thats without  the gypsy travellers 

josevolution

nicknyr15 said:

73,000 people at the Canelo fight last night in Texas. 

I’m sure the virus was strong with this crowd! 

nicknyr15

josevolution said:

nicknyr15 said:

73,000 people at the Canelo fight last night in Texas. 

I’m sure the virus was strong with this crowd! 

I guess we have to wait and see. Regardless of politics we should be all be rooting against that happening no?

PJNB

nicknyr15 said:

josevolution said:

nicknyr15 said:

73,000 people at the Canelo fight last night in Texas. 

I’m sure the virus was strong with this crowd! 

I guess we have to wait and see. Regardless of politics we should be all be rooting against that happening no?

100% 

josevolution

nicknyr15 said:

josevolution said:

nicknyr15 said:

73,000 people at the Canelo fight last night in Texas. 

I’m sure the virus was strong with this crowd! 

I guess we have to wait and see. Regardless of politics we should be all be rooting against that happening no?

Yes! Just weird that now it’s at your own risk to go out to anything with crowds..