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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,328
    mickeyrat said:
    tish said:
    Not sure I agree with this last part of your wife's statement, Mic. Can you expand?
    she thinks or has read jannsen pissed off the previous admin and that j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time.


    similar to AZ. think it was oftenreading posted the percentage of dead vs number of shots then posted other percentages for everyday shit we dont blink an eye at. AZ dead

    J&J stock has taken a big hit as a result.

    so they said 6 known dead within the first 2 weeks of injection. 6.8 million doses given. whats that, 1 for every 1.15 million?

    I dont mean to minimize these tragedies at all. sure their families are heart broken.

    greater good argument at play here I think. what we are seeing really with all of them at this point is real time trials on a very wide scale.

    So, you're about as likely to get a fusilli jerry lodged in your rectum as you are to get a blood clot from the J&J vaccine. Got it. 

    I love that this board sees anything opposed to their own political views as "conspiracy" or "Q" type stuff, yet this guy posts a literal conspiracy theory and gets no backlash because it aligns with the collective views.  Got it.  Wife is a nurse read jannsen pissed off the previous admin and "j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time." and the stock is tanking.  Yep, checks out.

    BTW, if only somebody around here expressed hesitancy to taking these vaccines....  Some more interesting reading below, and I would recommend going to her twitter feed as she is a big liberal, on some of the effects of the vaccines.




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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,450
    Friends wife who was in respirator, is back home now. Hopefully she'll be fine.
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,754
    Friends wife who was in respirator, is back home now. Hopefully she'll be fine.
    Good news man, glad to hear it. 

  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,946
    Enjoy..

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,328
    23scidoo said:
    Enjoy..


    gtfoh with that shit. Russia Today.....
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    What a strange comment. 
  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,946
    Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,254
    Well with issues from Astrozenica and J&J you can’t be too upset with those arguing the vaccines are rushed.   
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    Haha.  Gotta be fair and balanced. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    23scidoo said:
    Are you arguing that the vaccines should be free from the manufacturers, they should be 0 profit, 0 loss, or that they should be able to make a profit.  Make a clear argument here, for once. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,011
    mickeyrat said:
    tish said:
    Not sure I agree with this last part of your wife's statement, Mic. Can you expand?
    she thinks or has read jannsen pissed off the previous admin and that j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time.


    similar to AZ. think it was oftenreading posted the percentage of dead vs number of shots then posted other percentages for everyday shit we dont blink an eye at. AZ dead

    J&J stock has taken a big hit as a result.

    so they said 6 known dead within the first 2 weeks of injection. 6.8 million doses given. whats that, 1 for every 1.15 million?

    I dont mean to minimize these tragedies at all. sure their families are heart broken.

    greater good argument at play here I think. what we are seeing really with all of them at this point is real time trials on a very wide scale.

    So, you're about as likely to get a fusilli jerry lodged in your rectum as you are to get a blood clot from the J&J vaccine. Got it. 

    I love that this board sees anything opposed to their own political views as "conspiracy" or "Q" type stuff, yet this guy posts a literal conspiracy theory and gets no backlash because it aligns with the collective views.  Got it.  Wife is a nurse read jannsen pissed off the previous admin and "j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time." and the stock is tanking.  Yep, checks out.

    BTW, if only somebody around here expressed hesitancy to taking these vaccines....  Some more interesting reading below, and I would recommend going to her twitter feed as she is a big liberal, on some of the effects of the vaccines.


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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mickeyrat said:
    tish said:
    Not sure I agree with this last part of your wife's statement, Mic. Can you expand?
    she thinks or has read jannsen pissed off the previous admin and that j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time.


    similar to AZ. think it was oftenreading posted the percentage of dead vs number of shots then posted other percentages for everyday shit we dont blink an eye at. AZ dead

    J&J stock has taken a big hit as a result.

    so they said 6 known dead within the first 2 weeks of injection. 6.8 million doses given. whats that, 1 for every 1.15 million?

    I dont mean to minimize these tragedies at all. sure their families are heart broken.

    greater good argument at play here I think. what we are seeing really with all of them at this point is real time trials on a very wide scale.

    So, you're about as likely to get a fusilli jerry lodged in your rectum as you are to get a blood clot from the J&J vaccine. Got it. 

    I love that this board sees anything opposed to their own political views as "conspiracy" or "Q" type stuff, yet this guy posts a literal conspiracy theory and gets no backlash because it aligns with the collective views.  Got it.  Wife is a nurse read jannsen pissed off the previous admin and "j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time." and the stock is tanking.  Yep, checks out.

    BTW, if only somebody around here expressed hesitancy to taking these vaccines....  Some more interesting reading below, and I would recommend going to her twitter feed as she is a big liberal, on some of the effects of the vaccines.


    What conspiracy theory here?
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Well with issues from Astrozenica and J&J you can’t be too upset with those arguing the vaccines are rushed.   
    No, this is incorrect and misunderstands how the research for these products occurs. 

    For the Phase III studies alone, more than 165,000 participants in total were enrolled (combining Pfizer, Moderna, AZ and Janssen). It’s my understanding that only one blood clot issue occurred, and that was with the Janssen vaccine. The study was halted while it was investigated and then restarted. 

    The clots of concern we see now did not show up until many more than 10 million people had been vaccinated. There is zero chance that these potential side effects would have been discovered without massive roll out worldwide, which means that no matter how slowly the vaccines were developed, we would not have known about this as a potential issue. 

    It’s also worth noting that the “new” vaccines, the mRNA vaccines, do not appear to have this potential side effect. It’s only the vaccines using tried and true technologies that have caused concern. They would not have had any greater oversight had vaccine development taken years, not months. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Well with issues from Astrozenica and J&J you can’t be too upset with those arguing the vaccines are rushed.   
    No, this is incorrect and misunderstands how the research for these products occurs. 

    For the Phase III studies alone, more than 165,000 participants in total were enrolled (combining Pfizer, Moderna, AZ and Janssen). It’s my understanding that only one blood clot issue occurred, and that was with the Janssen vaccine. The study was halted while it was investigated and then restarted. 

    The clots of concern we see now did not show up until many more than 10 million people had been vaccinated. There is zero chance that these potential side effects would have been discovered without massive roll out worldwide, which means that no matter how slowly the vaccines were developed, we would not have known about this as a potential issue. 

    It’s also worth noting that the “new” vaccines, the mRNA vaccines, do not appear to have this potential side effect. It’s only the vaccines using tried and true technologies that have caused concern. They would not have had any greater oversight had vaccine development taken years, not months. 
    Can you please just take your facts and information and move along?  We only traffic in conspiracies. 
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,754
    mickeyrat said:
    tish said:
    Not sure I agree with this last part of your wife's statement, Mic. Can you expand?
    she thinks or has read jannsen pissed off the previous admin and that j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time.


    similar to AZ. think it was oftenreading posted the percentage of dead vs number of shots then posted other percentages for everyday shit we dont blink an eye at. AZ dead

    J&J stock has taken a big hit as a result.

    so they said 6 known dead within the first 2 weeks of injection. 6.8 million doses given. whats that, 1 for every 1.15 million?

    I dont mean to minimize these tragedies at all. sure their families are heart broken.

    greater good argument at play here I think. what we are seeing really with all of them at this point is real time trials on a very wide scale.

    So, you're about as likely to get a fusilli jerry lodged in your rectum as you are to get a blood clot from the J&J vaccine. Got it. 

    I love that this board sees anything opposed to their own political views as "conspiracy" or "Q" type stuff, yet this guy posts a literal conspiracy theory and gets no backlash because it aligns with the collective views.  Got it.  Wife is a nurse read jannsen pissed off the previous admin and "j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time." and the stock is tanking.  Yep, checks out.

    BTW, if only somebody around here expressed hesitancy to taking these vaccines....  Some more interesting reading below, and I would recommend going to her twitter feed as she is a big liberal, on some of the effects of the vaccines.

    Mickeyrat's not known for shitposting. 



    Cry about it. 
  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,946
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Are you arguing that the vaccines should be free from the manufacturers, they should be 0 profit, 0 loss, or that they should be able to make a profit.  Make a clear argument here, for once. 
    Same price for everyone and we do not increase prices in just 3-4 months..
    clear??
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mickeyrat said:
    tish said:
    Not sure I agree with this last part of your wife's statement, Mic. Can you expand?
    she thinks or has read jannsen pissed off the previous admin and that j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time.


    similar to AZ. think it was oftenreading posted the percentage of dead vs number of shots then posted other percentages for everyday shit we dont blink an eye at. AZ dead

    J&J stock has taken a big hit as a result.

    so they said 6 known dead within the first 2 weeks of injection. 6.8 million doses given. whats that, 1 for every 1.15 million?

    I dont mean to minimize these tragedies at all. sure their families are heart broken.

    greater good argument at play here I think. what we are seeing really with all of them at this point is real time trials on a very wide scale.
    6 cases, not 6 deaths; 1 death and 1 person seriously ill at this point. 

    I won’t comment on the rest as I have no info on it. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,011
    mrussel1 said:
    Well with issues from Astrozenica and J&J you can’t be too upset with those arguing the vaccines are rushed.   
    No, this is incorrect and misunderstands how the research for these products occurs. 

    For the Phase III studies alone, more than 165,000 participants in total were enrolled (combining Pfizer, Moderna, AZ and Janssen). It’s my understanding that only one blood clot issue occurred, and that was with the Janssen vaccine. The study was halted while it was investigated and then restarted. 

    The clots of concern we see now did not show up until many more than 10 million people had been vaccinated. There is zero chance that these potential side effects would have been discovered without massive roll out worldwide, which means that no matter how slowly the vaccines were developed, we would not have known about this as a potential issue. 

    It’s also worth noting that the “new” vaccines, the mRNA vaccines, do not appear to have this potential side effect. It’s only the vaccines using tried and true technologies that have caused concern. They would not have had any greater oversight had vaccine development taken years, not months. 
    Can you please just take your facts and information and move along?  We only traffic in conspiracies. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Are you arguing that the vaccines should be free from the manufacturers, they should be 0 profit, 0 loss, or that they should be able to make a profit.  Make a clear argument here, for once. 
    Same price for everyone and we do not increase prices in just 3-4 months..
    clear??
    Do you think production costs are the same no matter the time, materials, shipping, etc.?  Just curious how long you have a run a business, or been involved in anything multinational? 
  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tish said:
    Not sure I agree with this last part of your wife's statement, Mic. Can you expand?
    she thinks or has read jannsen pissed off the previous admin and that j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time.


    similar to AZ. think it was oftenreading posted the percentage of dead vs number of shots then posted other percentages for everyday shit we dont blink an eye at. AZ dead

    J&J stock has taken a big hit as a result.

    so they said 6 known dead within the first 2 weeks of injection. 6.8 million doses given. whats that, 1 for every 1.15 million?

    I dont mean to minimize these tragedies at all. sure their families are heart broken.

    greater good argument at play here I think. what we are seeing really with all of them at this point is real time trials on a very wide scale.

    So, you're about as likely to get a fusilli jerry lodged in your rectum as you are to get a blood clot from the J&J vaccine. Got it. 

    I love that this board sees anything opposed to their own political views as "conspiracy" or "Q" type stuff, yet this guy posts a literal conspiracy theory and gets no backlash because it aligns with the collective views.  Got it.  Wife is a nurse read jannsen pissed off the previous admin and "j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time." and the stock is tanking.  Yep, checks out.

    BTW, if only somebody around here expressed hesitancy to taking these vaccines....  Some more interesting reading below, and I would recommend going to her twitter feed as she is a big liberal, on some of the effects of the vaccines.


    What conspiracy theory here?
    Mickey said, "His wife is a nurse (not a conspiracy) but she thinks jannsen pissed off the previous admin and that j&j has been on the outscwith gop for quite some time. (total conspiracy)".  

    If I came in first thing this morning and said that "The Biden Administration is putting pressure on the FDA because Alex Gorsky voted for Trump and is a big Trump supporter and that is why they shut down the vaccine", you honestly with a straight face cannot say I would not be getting called every conspiracy thing under the sun.  

    If you cannot agree with this, you are what I refer to as "too far gone".  Come back to the middle and realize neither side gives a shit about you!  It's safe here, I promise.
  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    23scidoo said:
    Now, if I wanted to dabble in conspiracies, I would respond to this post with...

    "If you think they are making money now, wait til the 6 month boosters come out"

    ...but that might be too close to the truth.
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