The coronavirus

Halifax2TheMax

03/04/2021, all will be revealed.

F Me In The Brain

Merkin Baller said:

People looking in good faith for honest debate definitely say things like "I am actually begging all in here to change my mind" and "Help me be scared of this virus. Please!"

They also post cartoons making jokes about people not being able to hug their loved ones as they die.

gvn2fly1421

cincybearcat said:

I have a co-worker who had many discussion Re: masks and other measures during this year. Good guy, but didn’t believe the data and always found “alternative data” to justify.

His mom passed the end of January due to covid. He went through it with her, she was older and died pretty quickly after getting it.

I feel terrible for him. And I think he wished he had a do-over year. 

...and I feel for your co-worker.  I would assume she is an older lady?  I would ask what, if any, other co-morbidities she had based on data that I have combed through I would guess she had around 2.4, as that is the average?

For every story like this, there are stories of lockdown measures killing younger people as well.  It's why I ask, at what point does the health of our children and young people outweigh our elderly population?  In other words, work to protect our elderly and let everyone else move on with their life.  Look at these recent statistics our children struggling across the nation.

gvn2fly1421

Merkin Baller said:

People looking in good faith for honest debate definitely say things like "I am actually begging all in here to change my mind" and "Help me be scared of this virus. Please!"

I love how everything I type gets picked apart here, I truly do.  Hopefully you guys analyze all data points like you do my posts.  We might actually come to agree on certain things.

gvn2fly1421

cincybearcat said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

What was the spread in February during the Kobe memorial? How many cases, rates of infection, deaths, etc.? How would you classify the attendees as representatives of society at large? What do you think or how would you rate their average exposure risk? Did either of your two “journalistic” covid sources have a list of attendees and follow up with any of them 10-14 days after the event to determine whether they, or anyone they’re close to, contract covid? I sincerely doubt that level of investigative reporting took place. But you be you.

Again, if we didn't get brow beat about how big and scary this virus is, if we took off the masks and opened everything back up, and lived our normal lives, do you think we would even know the coronavirus existed?  I tend to believe we would have no clue this virus even existed.

Yes we would know. We’d be thinking “wtf is up with flu season this year, it’s awful...500,000 people in the US dead!”

The better question is if Q didn’t tell you what to think would you be able to know what real things to pretend are imaginary and what fake things to pretend are real? 

Well, except that number would be much, much higher.

Good point. 

See my post above.  Does it not stand to reason that we are going to be counting covid deaths long into the future?  Looking back, would it also not to stand to reason we would be better off now letting it run its course and have herd immunity achieved sooner, than later?

As an aside, I'll be gone for a bit so I don't want people to think I am dodging anything.  God Bless all!

Halifax2TheMax

Spend a little more time on the google machine and a lot less time on the Twitter machine. You can do it!

Hobbes

gvn2fly1421 said:

cincybearcat said:

I have a co-worker who had many discussion Re: masks and other measures during this year. Good guy, but didn’t believe the data and always found “alternative data” to justify.

His mom passed the end of January due to covid. He went through it with her, she was older and died pretty quickly after getting it.

I feel terrible for him. And I think he wished he had a do-over year. 

...and I feel for your co-worker.  I would assume she is an older lady?  I would ask what, if any, other co-morbidities she had based on data that I have combed through I would guess she had around 2.4, as that is the average?

For every story like this, there are stories of lockdown measures killing younger people as well.  It's why I ask, at what point does the health of our children and young people outweigh our elderly population?  In other words, work to protect our elderly and let everyone else move on with their life.  Look at these recent statistics our children struggling across the nation.

Why either/or? Perhaps provide more available resources for mental health services. Mental health/behavioral services are extremely limited for youth. Intersect race, ethnicity, SES, and resources become increasingly limited.

Merkin Baller

gvn2fly1421 said:

Merkin Baller said:

People looking in good faith for honest debate definitely say things like "I am actually begging all in here to change my mind" and "Help me be scared of this virus. Please!"

I love how everything I type gets picked apart here, I truly do.  Hopefully you guys analyze all data points like you do my posts.  We might actually come to agree on certain things.

It sucks when people read things you write and then respond to them. 

I'm so sorry you're going through this. 

tbergs

gvn2fly1421 said:

cincybearcat said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

What was the spread in February during the Kobe memorial? How many cases, rates of infection, deaths, etc.? How would you classify the attendees as representatives of society at large? What do you think or how would you rate their average exposure risk? Did either of your two “journalistic” covid sources have a list of attendees and follow up with any of them 10-14 days after the event to determine whether they, or anyone they’re close to, contract covid? I sincerely doubt that level of investigative reporting took place. But you be you.

Again, if we didn't get brow beat about how big and scary this virus is, if we took off the masks and opened everything back up, and lived our normal lives, do you think we would even know the coronavirus existed?  I tend to believe we would have no clue this virus even existed.

Yes we would know. We’d be thinking “wtf is up with flu season this year, it’s awful...500,000 people in the US dead!”

The better question is if Q didn’t tell you what to think would you be able to know what real things to pretend are imaginary and what fake things to pretend are real? 

Well, except that number would be much, much higher.

Good point. 

See my post above.  Does it not stand to reason that we are going to be counting covid deaths long into the future?  Looking back, would it also not to stand to reason we would be better off now letting it run its course and have herd immunity achieved sooner, than later?

As an aside, I'll be gone for a bit so I don't want people to think I am dodging anything.  God Bless all!

What do you make of the excess mortality rate in 2020? You seem to think it's from other things, but the numbers don't support your theories. You have access to the same data we do, but you continue to seek out anything that minimizes or outright denies Covid is really an issue.

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid 

mace1229

gvn2fly1421 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Keep trolling, sooner or later you are bound to get someone to bite.

Yeah, umm, not really trolling.  Actually trying to get honest debate about all of this.  As I stated when I started posting a couple of months ago, I read and watch sources from both sides.  I have formed my opinion around that.  This place becomes an echo chamber, you need reasonable debate on both sides.  And your comment is weird in the sense that you literally bite every single time.  

I will try to say this once and for all, the links and things that I post are twitter posts, but every single one I have posted has hard data, articles, or actual videos.  As far as the comment above about tik tok, again, there are videos everywhere of tik tok dances of hospital staff all over the country.  

I am actually begging all in here to change my mind.  Show me the science.  Help me be scared of this virus.  Please!

It's obvious the mask debate went nowhere and we are all stuck on our opinions there.  Let's try a new question that I would love debate on:

If this virus is as bad as we are lead to believe, how come all 50 states did not enact the same measures and really try to get rid of this virus all at once?  Further, going back to my theory that it's all about the political science, how come red states and blue states had vastly different measures and ultimately ended up in the same situation? 

I haven't seen those videos, but I've never been on Tik Tok. Even if true, I don't see what that has to do with anything? Just because the ICU beds are full the staff isn't suppose to make someone  feel better in their last moments? There wasn't a shortage of staff in many cases (yes, in some locations at some times), its not like every hospital was running from code red to code red without a lunch break. They just had more ICU patients that normally, and more deaths. I would imagine if you worked in a place like that and saw more deaths every month than you typically do, you'd try to do something to cheer yourself up and others. 
I do think the numbers were likely counted in a way to inflate them. In my book, getting shot while having covid does not make it a covid death. So what does that mean? 400,000 died instead of 500,000? Is that really that big of a difference? Does that make covid not a thing in your book? 300,000, 400,000, 500,000, what is really the difference when you get to those numbers in terms of fighting the virus?
Each governor ran their state as they saw fit based on their population, demographics and probably personal beliefs. There was no federal mandate that said what each state had to do. I agree with some of their decisions, and disagree with others. Not much was known a year ago, I don't fault them for shutting down in March and April. I disagree with those who shut down again in the fall. Masks and social distancing make the biggest difference. Private gatherings are by far the biggest spreader. I talked about that the other day. Private gatherings is responsible for upwards of 80% of the cases. That is why you don't see a huge difference in outcome despite the different approaches. Even with different levels of shutdowns, most everywhere required a mask and social distancing. It is difficult to police private gatherings. That is why red and blue states handled it differently and ended up in the same situation. 

cincybearcat

gvn2fly1421 said:

cincybearcat said:

I have a co-worker who had many discussion Re: masks and other measures during this year. Good guy, but didn’t believe the data and always found “alternative data” to justify.

His mom passed the end of January due to covid. He went through it with her, she was older and died pretty quickly after getting it.

I feel terrible for him. And I think he wished he had a do-over year. 

...and I feel for your co-worker.  I would assume she is an older lady?  I would ask what, if any, other co-morbidities she had based on data that I have combed through I would guess she had around 2.4, as that is the average?

For every story like this, there are stories of lockdown measures killing younger people as well.  It's why I ask, at what point does the health of our children and young people outweigh our elderly population?  In other words, work to protect our elderly and let everyone else move on with their life.  Look at these recent statistics our children struggling across the nation.

I said she was older. She got covid and died from covid. This from him. Who thought it was over reported previously. She was actually an extremely healthy older lady apparently. 

cincybearcat

gvn2fly1421 said:

cincybearcat said:

I have a co-worker who had many discussion Re: masks and other measures during this year. Good guy, but didn’t believe the data and always found “alternative data” to justify.

His mom passed the end of January due to covid. He went through it with her, she was older and died pretty quickly after getting it.

I feel terrible for him. And I think he wished he had a do-over year. 

...and I feel for your co-worker.  I would assume she is an older lady?  I would ask what, if any, other co-morbidities she had based on data that I have combed through I would guess she had around 2.4, as that is the average?

For every story like this, there are stories of lockdown measures killing younger people as well.  It's why I ask, at what point does the health of our children and young people outweigh our elderly population?  In other words, work to protect our elderly and let everyone else move on with their life.  Look at these recent statistics our children struggling across the nation.

For every covid death there is a story of a younger person killed by the covid prevention protocols? I call bs

Poncier

cincybearcat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

cincybearcat said:

I have a co-worker who had many discussion Re: masks and other measures during this year. Good guy, but didn’t believe the data and always found “alternative data” to justify.

His mom passed the end of January due to covid. He went through it with her, she was older and died pretty quickly after getting it.

I feel terrible for him. And I think he wished he had a do-over year. 

...and I feel for your co-worker.  I would assume she is an older lady?  I would ask what, if any, other co-morbidities she had based on data that I have combed through I would guess she had around 2.4, as that is the average?

For every story like this, there are stories of lockdown measures killing younger people as well.  It's why I ask, at what point does the health of our children and young people outweigh our elderly population?  In other words, work to protect our elderly and let everyone else move on with their life.  Look at these recent statistics our children struggling across the nation.

For every covid death there is a story of a younger person killed by the covid prevention protocols? I call bs

You mean you haven't heard the stories of 500,000 young Americans committing suicide in the past year cause they couldn't go to the movies?

elvistheking44

Poncier said:

cincybearcat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

cincybearcat said:

I have a co-worker who had many discussion Re: masks and other measures during this year. Good guy, but didn’t believe the data and always found “alternative data” to justify.

His mom passed the end of January due to covid. He went through it with her, she was older and died pretty quickly after getting it.

I feel terrible for him. And I think he wished he had a do-over year. 

...and I feel for your co-worker.  I would assume she is an older lady?  I would ask what, if any, other co-morbidities she had based on data that I have combed through I would guess she had around 2.4, as that is the average?

For every story like this, there are stories of lockdown measures killing younger people as well.  It's why I ask, at what point does the health of our children and young people outweigh our elderly population?  In other words, work to protect our elderly and let everyone else move on with their life.  Look at these recent statistics our children struggling across the nation.

For every covid death there is a story of a younger person killed by the covid prevention protocols? I call bs

You mean you haven't heard the stories of 500,000 young Americans committing suicide in the past year cause they couldn't go to the movies?

Total ass comment. 

oftenreading

How weird. I’m sure I posted data a couple of weeks ago that showed that the suicide rate did not actually go up in 2020, and in fact may have gone down. Not just in the US, either, but also in those other countries participating in the great COVID scam designed to get trump out of office. 

Edit: lots more that I want to say about the issue of the pandemic and mental health concerns, but will have to come back to they later. Suffice it to say that the presence of the pandemic itself and associated illness, death and loss, is the cause of a lot of challenges, not the mask wearing. 

Halifax2TheMax

oftenreading said:

How weird. I’m sure I posted data a couple of weeks ago that showed that the suicide rate did not actually go up in 2020, and in fact may have gone down. Not just in the US, either, but also in those other countries participating in the great COVID scam designed to get trump out of office. 

This thread is chock full of legitimate data and sources. There are a few players on here who need to go back to page one and read or review before jumping in on the last few pages and posting twitter bullshit and avoiding answers and then claiming to want to “debate.”

”Show me the science.” It’s there if you care to find it or look at what’s already been posted.

03/04/2021, the truth will set you free. It’s all part of the plan.

hedonist

Poncier

elvistheking44 said:

Poncier said:

cincybearcat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

cincybearcat said:

I have a co-worker who had many discussion Re: masks and other measures during this year. Good guy, but didn’t believe the data and always found “alternative data” to justify.

His mom passed the end of January due to covid. He went through it with her, she was older and died pretty quickly after getting it.

I feel terrible for him. And I think he wished he had a do-over year. 

...and I feel for your co-worker.  I would assume she is an older lady?  I would ask what, if any, other co-morbidities she had based on data that I have combed through I would guess she had around 2.4, as that is the average?

For every story like this, there are stories of lockdown measures killing younger people as well.  It's why I ask, at what point does the health of our children and young people outweigh our elderly population?  In other words, work to protect our elderly and let everyone else move on with their life.  Look at these recent statistics our children struggling across the nation.

For every covid death there is a story of a younger person killed by the covid prevention protocols? I call bs

You mean you haven't heard the stories of 500,000 young Americans committing suicide in the past year cause they couldn't go to the movies?

Total ass comment. 

In case you weren't sure I was being facetious.

dankind

Poncier said:

elvistheking44 said:

Poncier said:

cincybearcat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

cincybearcat said:

I have a co-worker who had many discussion Re: masks and other measures during this year. Good guy, but didn’t believe the data and always found “alternative data” to justify.

His mom passed the end of January due to covid. He went through it with her, she was older and died pretty quickly after getting it.

I feel terrible for him. And I think he wished he had a do-over year. 

...and I feel for your co-worker.  I would assume she is an older lady?  I would ask what, if any, other co-morbidities she had based on data that I have combed through I would guess she had around 2.4, as that is the average?

For every story like this, there are stories of lockdown measures killing younger people as well.  It's why I ask, at what point does the health of our children and young people outweigh our elderly population?  In other words, work to protect our elderly and let everyone else move on with their life.  Look at these recent statistics our children struggling across the nation.

For every covid death there is a story of a younger person killed by the covid prevention protocols? I call bs

You mean you haven't heard the stories of 500,000 young Americans committing suicide in the past year cause they couldn't go to the movies?

Total ass comment. 

In case you weren't sure I was being facetious.

Poncier

dankind said:

Poncier said:

elvistheking44 said:

Poncier said:

cincybearcat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

cincybearcat said:

I have a co-worker who had many discussion Re: masks and other measures during this year. Good guy, but didn’t believe the data and always found “alternative data” to justify.

His mom passed the end of January due to covid. He went through it with her, she was older and died pretty quickly after getting it.

I feel terrible for him. And I think he wished he had a do-over year. 

...and I feel for your co-worker.  I would assume she is an older lady?  I would ask what, if any, other co-morbidities she had based on data that I have combed through I would guess she had around 2.4, as that is the average?

For every story like this, there are stories of lockdown measures killing younger people as well.  It's why I ask, at what point does the health of our children and young people outweigh our elderly population?  In other words, work to protect our elderly and let everyone else move on with their life.  Look at these recent statistics our children struggling across the nation.

For every covid death there is a story of a younger person killed by the covid prevention protocols? I call bs

You mean you haven't heard the stories of 500,000 young Americans committing suicide in the past year cause they couldn't go to the movies?

Total ass comment. 

In case you weren't sure I was being facetious.

Wait till I get going.