The coronavirus

gvn2fly1421

cincybearcat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

cincybearcat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Things that make you go hmmmm....

https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1364779115669114882

Biggest lie we have been told the past year?  What's your vote?  Feel free to add your own...
1.  Super spreaders
2.  New variants, even scarier than the original
3.  Masks work
4.  Two weeks to flatten the curve
5.  Once the vaccines are here, life can go back to normal
6.  Masks actually do not work as good as we thought, so wear two masks because "common sense"
7.  Dying "with" Covid vs Dying "from" covid
8.  Covid relief bills actually provide relief to the ones who need it (This is true for Trumps bills and this new one which shows 9% of the 2 trillion goes to the people)

Probably your posts. Especially those saying masks don’t work. 

It’s the worst year in a long time for manufacturers of tissues, cold medicine. Just a coincidence huh? Please stop the nonsense.

So my posts are the biggest lies?  Gotcha.

Explain the last part to me?  Are you saying they didn't sell a lot and it was hard on their bottom line OR that they did sell a lot and it was hard to keep up with demand?  I think you are referring to the latter and I do not think this means what you think it means.  The pandemic so scary that.....  I couldn't blow my nose in a kleenex and I couldn't find any cough medicine?  Sounds rough.

The former. Lots of other items way up. Tissues, cold medicine etc way down. No one needing it, cause you know, masks work.

OK, I misread what you are saying.  So are we ready as a group to wear masks for eternity?  Seeing as how it has cured the common cold and the flu.  And with all the technological advances over the past hundred years, one would think we would have discovered that masks could cure illnesses.  I don't know, seems like we want to be masked forever which seems.... dystopian.  Scary indeed.

gvn2fly1421

gvn2fly1421 said:

Biggest lie we have been told the past year?  What's your vote?  Feel free to add your own...
1.  Super spreaders
2.  New variants, even scarier than the original
3.  Masks work
4.  Two weeks to flatten the curve
5.  Once the vaccines are here, life can go back to normal
6.  Masks actually do not work as good as we thought, so wear two masks because "common sense"
7.  Dying "with" Covid vs Dying "from" covid
8.  Covid relief bills actually provide relief to the ones who need it (This is true for Trumps bills and this new one which shows 9% of the 2 trillion goes to the people)
9.  Long Haul Covid

I need to amend this post and add number #9.  Super scary.

gvn2fly1421

cincybearcat said:

The former. Lots of other items way up. Tissues, cold medicine etc way down. No one needing it, cause you know, masks work.

Speaking of other things way up, anyone care to comment on the rise of overdose, murders, and mental health?  

Overdose

https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/It-didn-t-have-to-happen-2020-was-15872937.php

https://www.azfamily.com/shows/good_morning_arizona/an-epidemic-during-a-pandemic-drug-overdoses-are-up-in-2020/article_b64c9b10-5a69-11eb-8ee6-2f83aedef6ac.html

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/article_1fac20b4-5748-11eb-99da-c3971ada8bd6.html

https://www.opb.org/article/2020/12/23/oregon-pandemic-overdose-spike/

Murder

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/06/953254623/massive-1-year-rise-in-homicide-rates-collided-with-the-pandemic-in-2020

https://www.seattlepi.com/local/seattlenews/article/2020-crime-Seattle-highest-homicide-rate-15864266.php

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/whats-behind-a-sharp-rise-in-murders-across-the-u-s

https://time.com/5922082/2020-gun-violence-homicides-record-year/

Mental Health

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/duval-county/covid-19-pandemic-wolfson-childrens-hospital-sees-300-spike-emergency-visits-relate-mental/FODOQAIMJFBZDA4MWMN37G3NH4/

https://thisisreno.com/2021/01/2020-brought-sharp-increase-in-nevadans-seeking-mental-health-resources/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/18/953581851/ive-tried-everything-pandemic-has-cut-options-for-kids-with-mental-illness

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/22/texas-students-mental-health-coronavirus/

Anyone think any of these things were due to the (over)reaction to the world's deadliest virus?  Do these lives not matter too?

HughFreakingDillon

gvn2fly1421 said:

Trump certainly made his mistakes during this whole thing and no, I obviously did not think he sabotaged himself.

My opinion, DJT should not have done anything, which goes back to my question earlier.  If we were not brow beaten into being told how scary this thing was, would we even knew it existed?  I don't think so.  Two weeks to flatten the curve was the dumbest thing DJT did, but he followed the advice he was given by.....  Deborah Birx, remember her, the one who demanded nobody spend holidays with their family only to meet at the lake house with her kids from different households, and Lead Epidemiologist Anthony Fauci, who has been so wrong on so many aspects of this thing I cannot even count.  I think the outcome would be similar to a bad flu season, remember when those happened, cause I do.

The national media, which has a clear liberal bias, has constantly told us how scary this thing is.  So scary that we ran out of kleenexes and cough syrup as someone pointed out earlier.  Why do you think they want us so fearful?  The same national media that orange man said was fake news.

Look, I get that this is a largely Democratic board of a largely democratic band, but you are absolutely kidding yourself if you do not think this whole thing has been about the (political) science.  I'm not even going to go into blue states vs red states, etc., I have made enough of those posts.  Are any of you constant doomsdayers willing to admit there is probably a little bit of truth into what I am saying?  Have any of the posts I have made cause you to think about something differently?  Cause if it hasn't, your politics are showing. 

Disclaimer - So it's known, didn't vote for Trump in 2016, voted for that orange bastard in 2020.

yes, because it makes perfect sense for one party to want to destroy the economy without reason. 

it is deadlier than the flu. it is more highly contagious than the flu. people who are sick with it are sicker longer, in the hospital longer, than the flu. this is the main reason, as you can't have the medical establishment collapse on itself. these are facts, not opinion. if nothing had been done, the death rate would have been astronomically higher. 

tell me one person who hasn't been wrong at least on some level of this. of course fauci was wrong occasionally. he's said so multiple times, and has learned to lead with a caveat like that when answering questions like "now, this could easily change with any knew knowledge we gain of the virus". this isn't rocket science. it was a BRAND NEW VIRUS. 

Birx also praised trump and his willingness to listen to the science, so she's out. 

only conservatives make this political. it's not. it's life and death. 

HughFreakingDillon

gvn2fly1421 said:

cincybearcat said:

The former. Lots of other items way up. Tissues, cold medicine etc way down. No one needing it, cause you know, masks work.

Speaking of other things way up, anyone care to comment on the rise of overdose, murders, and mental health?  

Overdose

https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/It-didn-t-have-to-happen-2020-was-15872937.php

https://www.azfamily.com/shows/good_morning_arizona/an-epidemic-during-a-pandemic-drug-overdoses-are-up-in-2020/article_b64c9b10-5a69-11eb-8ee6-2f83aedef6ac.html

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/article_1fac20b4-5748-11eb-99da-c3971ada8bd6.html

https://www.opb.org/article/2020/12/23/oregon-pandemic-overdose-spike/

Murder

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/06/953254623/massive-1-year-rise-in-homicide-rates-collided-with-the-pandemic-in-2020

https://www.seattlepi.com/local/seattlenews/article/2020-crime-Seattle-highest-homicide-rate-15864266.php

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/whats-behind-a-sharp-rise-in-murders-across-the-u-s

https://time.com/5922082/2020-gun-violence-homicides-record-year/

Mental Health

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/duval-county/covid-19-pandemic-wolfson-childrens-hospital-sees-300-spike-emergency-visits-relate-mental/FODOQAIMJFBZDA4MWMN37G3NH4/

https://thisisreno.com/2021/01/2020-brought-sharp-increase-in-nevadans-seeking-mental-health-resources/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/18/953581851/ive-tried-everything-pandemic-has-cut-options-for-kids-with-mental-illness

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/22/texas-students-mental-health-coronavirus/

Anyone think any of these things were due to the (over)reaction to the world's deadliest virus?  Do these lives not matter too?

yeah, a global pandemic will do that. weird, huh?

HughFreakingDillon

gvn2fly1421 said:

cincybearcat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

cincybearcat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Things that make you go hmmmm....

https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1364779115669114882

Biggest lie we have been told the past year?  What's your vote?  Feel free to add your own...
1.  Super spreaders
2.  New variants, even scarier than the original
3.  Masks work
4.  Two weeks to flatten the curve
5.  Once the vaccines are here, life can go back to normal
6.  Masks actually do not work as good as we thought, so wear two masks because "common sense"
7.  Dying "with" Covid vs Dying "from" covid
8.  Covid relief bills actually provide relief to the ones who need it (This is true for Trumps bills and this new one which shows 9% of the 2 trillion goes to the people)

Probably your posts. Especially those saying masks don’t work. 

It’s the worst year in a long time for manufacturers of tissues, cold medicine. Just a coincidence huh? Please stop the nonsense.

So my posts are the biggest lies?  Gotcha.

Explain the last part to me?  Are you saying they didn't sell a lot and it was hard on their bottom line OR that they did sell a lot and it was hard to keep up with demand?  I think you are referring to the latter and I do not think this means what you think it means.  The pandemic so scary that.....  I couldn't blow my nose in a kleenex and I couldn't find any cough medicine?  Sounds rough.

The former. Lots of other items way up. Tissues, cold medicine etc way down. No one needing it, cause you know, masks work.

OK, I misread what you are saying.  So are we ready as a group to wear masks for eternity?  Seeing as how it has cured the common cold and the flu.  And with all the technological advances over the past hundred years, one would think we would have discovered that masks could cure illnesses.  I don't know, seems like we want to be masked forever which seems.... dystopian.  Scary indeed.

lol, cured the common cold. this is funny if it wasn't so insanely stupid. it's kind of like covering your mouth when you sneeze. do you not do that? because, duh, "colds are no big deal, get over it, libtard!"? they prevent the spread of germs, genius, when your snot is stopped from projectiling on someone else's face. 

gvn2fly1421

HughFreakingDillon said:

yeah, a global pandemic will do that. weird, huh?

So at what point do we do all we can to protect the elderly, the only population the virus truly harms, and move on with life?  

HughFreakingDillon

because they aren't the ones it only truly harms. that's a fallacy. in larger numbers, yes, but it's also killing people much younger than that. 

gvn2fly1421

HughFreakingDillon said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

cincybearcat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

cincybearcat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Things that make you go hmmmm....

https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1364779115669114882

Biggest lie we have been told the past year?  What's your vote?  Feel free to add your own...
1.  Super spreaders
2.  New variants, even scarier than the original
3.  Masks work
4.  Two weeks to flatten the curve
5.  Once the vaccines are here, life can go back to normal
6.  Masks actually do not work as good as we thought, so wear two masks because "common sense"
7.  Dying "with" Covid vs Dying "from" covid
8.  Covid relief bills actually provide relief to the ones who need it (This is true for Trumps bills and this new one which shows 9% of the 2 trillion goes to the people)

Probably your posts. Especially those saying masks don’t work. 

It’s the worst year in a long time for manufacturers of tissues, cold medicine. Just a coincidence huh? Please stop the nonsense.

So my posts are the biggest lies?  Gotcha.

Explain the last part to me?  Are you saying they didn't sell a lot and it was hard on their bottom line OR that they did sell a lot and it was hard to keep up with demand?  I think you are referring to the latter and I do not think this means what you think it means.  The pandemic so scary that.....  I couldn't blow my nose in a kleenex and I couldn't find any cough medicine?  Sounds rough.

The former. Lots of other items way up. Tissues, cold medicine etc way down. No one needing it, cause you know, masks work.

OK, I misread what you are saying.  So are we ready as a group to wear masks for eternity?  Seeing as how it has cured the common cold and the flu.  And with all the technological advances over the past hundred years, one would think we would have discovered that masks could cure illnesses.  I don't know, seems like we want to be masked forever which seems.... dystopian.  Scary indeed.

lol, cured the common cold. this is funny if it wasn't so insanely stupid. it's kind of like covering your mouth when you sneeze. do you not do that? because, duh, "colds are no big deal, get over it, libtard!"? they prevent the spread of germs, genius, when your snot is stopped from projectiling on someone else's face. 

So you are prepared to wear a mask from now until...?  When is that date for you, or anyone who cares to respond.

mace1229

Ledbetterman10 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Biggest lie we have been told the past year?  What's your vote?  Feel free to add your own...
1.  Super spreaders
2.  New variants, even scarier than the original
3.  Masks work
4.  Two weeks to flatten the curve
5.  Once the vaccines are here, life can go back to normal
6.  Masks actually do not work as good as we thought, so wear two masks because "common sense"
7.  Dying "with" Covid vs Dying "from" covid
8.  Covid relief bills actually provide relief to the ones who need it (This is true for Trumps bills and this new one which shows 9% of the 2 trillion goes to the people)

I don't know what to believe sometimes. I'll give a comment (or question) on each of these nine though. Even though you'll see I'm just as confused as anyone else. So everyone feel free to correct anything below....

1) Has anything been confirmed as a "superspreader" event? I know that Trump Rose Garden thing was, but those were all famous politicians who had to report that they were positive. But were events like Trump's arena rallies or BLM gatherings ever confirmed to be superspreaders? How would we know who was there, who actually got tested, and who was positive?

2) Seem to be hearing this more and more. With people saying that the vaccine may not work for some new strains. But who knows?

3) I'm sick of the masks as much as the next guy but they can't hurt. I only wear it where it's deemed I have to (in stores, government buildings, etc.) I take it right off the moment I'm out the door. 

4) Don't remember hearing that. Is that a Trump-line?

5) If that was said, it definitely wasn't true. It's my understanding (and I could be wrong) that while the vaccine protects you from the symptoms of Covid, you still can get it and can spread it if you're vaccinated. So from a spreading-standpoint, being vaccinated might just as well be the same as being not vaccinated. 

6) That's dumb. Nothing short of Biden showing up at my door with armed secret service agents will get me to wear two masks. 

7) If you were likely going to die within a year, but contracted Covid and died within a few days, I understand why they consider that dying "from" Covid. 

8) Yeah this needs to be amended. Get the money to people who need it, and only people who need it. And businesses too. Tom Brady's TB12 nutrition company got a PPP loan of almost one million dollars. But he's not the only one. Kanye West, The Church of Scientology, and (of course) a venture firm run by Jared Kushner, all got PPP money. 

As to #4- Trump and Pence did say I, but so did Fauci and pretty much everyone else. Most schools closed around the same time, mid March. The goal was to shut down and stop the spread within 2 weeks. After about 8 or 10 days when it was obvious it was going to take much longer, they stopped saying it. So it was a short lived slogan. Most schools in my state only announced a 10-day closure. About 3/4 of the way through that they extended it by another 2 weeks, then another 2 weeks, then the rest of the year.

Spunkie

gvn2fly1421 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

yeah, a global pandemic will do that. weird, huh?

So at what point do we do all we can to protect the elderly, the only population the virus truly harms, and move on with life?  

I considered throwing them under the bus from day one, or shortly after Trump declared this thing was gonna wash over us. I mean, it must have been designed for a good reason, right? 

F Me In The Brain

The idiotic "because of Trump" theory.....what about the rest of the world?

Europe must have really wanted Trump gone.

oftenreading

F Me In The Brain said:

The idiotic "because of Trump" theory.....what about the rest of the world?

Europe must have really wanted Trump gone.

To be fair.....

F Me In The Brain

oftenreading said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The idiotic "because of Trump" theory.....what about the rest of the world?

Europe must have really wanted Trump gone.

To be fair.....

To be fair 🎶

oftenreading

gvn2fly1421 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I'm skeptical of how accurate this tracing proves to be -- but these numbers are not really subject to any +/- concern when the data NY shared points definitively to 1-2 causes beyond 2%. 

Interesting.

I still think the right thing to do was to shut things down and enforce the message that people needed to stay home -- not so much because restaurants were where people would get them, but because the American citizens proved we are selfish assholes who were going to Grandma's house OR having a 3rd birthday party for Little Ginny OR whatever bullshit reasons people cited to get together.

This whole thing sucks.  If people could just be responsible this would have been so different -- and, I would like to think that things could have been approached differently in December or whenever these numbers were back in to make people feel that there was actual data to support safe ways to do things previously locked down.

All comes back to people being such idiots.  Anti-Maskers.  Gotta Have Thanksgiving-ers. 

Fools.

This does make me feel better about the prospect of things being different in 2021 -- keep at distance, wash, keep the masks up...and be able to do many more things.  They need to allow enforcement of mask / occupancy / distance rules.  Still too many among us who will fight to protect their so called freedoms, putting others at risk at the same time.

A couple of things...  First, you ask for the data and the guy provides the data and you question it immediately and are skeptical.  No agenda at all here, right?

Second, in your opinion you believe this whole thing could have been avoided by staying home and shutting everything down.  News flash, virus gonna virus.  Just ask the nuns in this KY monastery...  https://local12.com/news/local/two-sisters-at-villa-hills-monastery-die-from-covid-19-after-28-test-positive-cincinnati

In their own words, "We were very shocked by it because we’ve been extremely closed-down. We have not gone anywhere to speak of, and we haven’t had visitors,”.  Read the story and draw your own conclusions.  I have some theories.  Also interesting that all of the ladies who tested positive (28 total), only two in their nineties passed from it.

Finally, you say, "All comes back to people being such idiots.  Anti-Maskers.".  So with Lord Fauci's latest recommendation that everyone double-mask, surely you are double masking correct?  Because if you do not put two masks to your face EVERY time you are around someone, you are part of the problem you speak against.  But who am I kidding, as much as you preach about those still trying to protect what liberties they have left, surely you are doing your part in stopping the spread.

Here is a thread on all the "mis" or "dis" information Lord Fauci has spread since the beginning.

https://twitter.com/AllPedalNoBrake/status/1364445340749815810

Pay close attention to this part, "As an addendum, since these tweets have become popular. I come from the Left. Or at least I did, before the Left sacrificed human and civil rights in favor of a public health autocracy. It’s not lost on me this crisis was used as an election year battering ram."

And here is Lord Fauci on masks...

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1364352025492824066

The tweets above are part of a series of tweets.  I encourage each of you to click on the names and read them all.  Some doozies in there.  I report, you decide.

Just for fun, because I had a few minutes to kill, I looked into the claim that SC “closed almost nothing”

For the time period relevant to the tweet, ie April 2020, SC was under a stay at home order and all nonessential businesses were closed  

Halifax2TheMax

gvn2fly1421 said:

Things that make you go hmmmm....

https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1364779115669114882

Biggest lie we have been told the past year?  What's your vote?  Feel free to add your own...
1.  Super spreaders
2.  New variants, even scarier than the original
3.  Masks work
4.  Two weeks to flatten the curve
5.  Once the vaccines are here, life can go back to normal
6.  Masks actually do not work as good as we thought, so wear two masks because "common sense"
7.  Dying "with" Covid vs Dying "from" covid
8.  Covid relief bills actually provide relief to the ones who need it (This is true for Trumps bills and this new one which shows 9% of the 2 trillion goes to the people)

What makes me go hmmmmmmm, is why anyone would rely on a tweet, from a former conservative radio show host who defended pedophiles, about a theory posited by a plagiarizing former sports columnist for their covid information. But that might just be me? And based on the date of the tweet regarding Kobe’s memorial being a super spreader event, it would have been held in February 2020. I wasn’t kept from work, nor college kids sent home in my state until March 13, 2020. I don’t think that “super spreader events” were a thing yet?  But you be you.

oftenreading

“Consider the source” is always good advice 

gvn2fly1421

Halifax2TheMax said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Things that make you go hmmmm....

https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1364779115669114882

Biggest lie we have been told the past year?  What's your vote?  Feel free to add your own...
1.  Super spreaders
2.  New variants, even scarier than the original
3.  Masks work
4.  Two weeks to flatten the curve
5.  Once the vaccines are here, life can go back to normal
6.  Masks actually do not work as good as we thought, so wear two masks because "common sense"
7.  Dying "with" Covid vs Dying "from" covid
8.  Covid relief bills actually provide relief to the ones who need it (This is true for Trumps bills and this new one which shows 9% of the 2 trillion goes to the people)

What makes me go hmmmmmmm, is why anyone would rely on a tweet, from a former conservative radio show host who defended pedophiles, about a theory posited by a plagiarizing former sports columnist for their covid information. But that might just be me? And based on the date of the tweet regarding Kobe’s memorial being a super spreader event, it would have been held in February 2020. I wasn’t kept from work, nor college kids sent home in my state until March 13, 2020. I don’t think that “super spreader events” were a thing yet?  But you be you.

Again, each one of you comes in with an aha moment, I gotcha you this time you tin foil hat wearing meanie you, but you have further proved my point.

Evidence has pointed to the coronavirus being here all the way back in December of 2019, we had a packed house memorial two months later so you would think people would be falling dead in the streets right, hospitals over ran, etc.  Yet, none of that happened to this virus that spreads so easily.  Again, maybe we shouldn’t have did anything other than wash and protect the elderly.

gvn2fly1421

Care to argue any of the other biggest lies this pandemic...  Surely all of you can agree all this stimulus is complete bullshit right?  I’ve seen numbers saying as low as 9% of the 2 trillion dollar current stimulus goes directly to those in need, the American people.  

static111

gvn2fly1421 said:

Care to argue any of the other biggest lies this pandemic...  Surely all of you can agree all this stimulus is complete bullshit right?  I’ve seen numbers saying as low as 9% of the 2 trillion dollar current stimulus goes directly to those in need, the American people.  

I agree that more money should be going to actual people.