I cannot imagine having twitter and following all of these fucking people and getting updates all day long. My web interface with people is LinkedIn to prospective clients and partners - mostly sending video or text messages directly to them....or posting on an aged rock band's forum. That is it - yet if I wanted to I could spend hours a day doing it. Need to leave time for work, family, exercise, reading, music, language, vodka, and perhaps some tv.
How in the hell do people balance twitter, being epidemiologists, emergency room doctors, statisticians, constitutional law experts, and rock band fans all at one time?
It seems like I am taking up a lot of space in your head. Dunno. I do know you have not offered one counter argument to anything I have posted, just clown emojis. I will leave for good now and leave y’all be.
I do challenge each of you to see out additional information. If I only watched the national news, I would not have left my house for the past 10 months. Fortunately, I have found other rational voices during this time to let me know we are all gonna be alright!
Here are some good sources of additional coronavirus information, or as this board would call them conspiracy theorists.
Any non-Twitter sources you're able or willing to share with us? Some of us aren't big fans of manipulated/unreferenced/deceptive infographics or nuanced news somehow delivered in 140 characters or less.
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With Pfizer reneging on Canada and some European countries by not providing vaccines when promised, I suspected the supplies were going to the highest bidder:
The good news is they have tracked all results from way more people than the trial. This info is in the linked source.
With Pfizer reneging on Canada and some European countries by not providing vaccines when promised, I suspected the supplies were going to the highest bidder:
The good news is they have tracked all results from way more people than the trial. This info is in the linked source.
In mid-January, an unsettling report from Norway suggested 23 frail, elderly patients had all died after receiving a dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.
The finding made headlines around the world.
Meanwhile, here in Canada, there have been instances of coronavirus infections and deaths in the midst of initial vaccination efforts targeting residents of long-term care.
A home in Saskatoon where the vast majority of residents had received their first vaccine dose later reported seven cases of COVID-19. And a facility in Barrie, Ont., is in the grips of a facility-wide outbreak that has caused dozens of deaths due to a fast-spreading virus variant — even as public health officials raced to fully vaccinate all the residents while the outbreak progressed.
But in all these instances of seniors falling ill or dying after receiving at least one dose, dire-sounding headlines don't tell the whole story, experts say.
"Just because somebody died after receiving the COVID vaccine does not mean the COVID vaccine caused the death," said Dr. Noni MacDonald, a researcher focused on vaccine safety who is also a professor at Dalhousie University's department of pediatrics in Halifax.
In the case of outbreaks in long-term care homes, it's important to remember that while one dose offers some level of protection, it's not the full amount that results from the two-dose regimen for either of the vaccines currently approved in Canada, said Dr. Samir Sinha, director of geriatrics at Mount Sinai Hospital in Toronto.
That means even if residents get partially vaccinated, it might not be enough to protect them if the virus is spreading where they live.
"There might have been a high level of COVID circulating, and they didn't have enough protection within days of their very first dose to confer immunity at that point," he said.
Canadian physicians also stress COVID-19 vaccines are proving overwhelmingly safe and protective for the majority of elderly recipients — a population that's at the highest risk of dying from the illness.
"We are now hoping that as soon as we get people vaccinated, especially in these care settings, that we're really going to see the burden of disease — and the resulting burden of death — stopped," Sinha said.
No unexpected death increase, WHO concludes
In Norway, the deaths of those 23 elderly vaccine recipients happened during the course of more than 20,000 Pfizer-BioNTech doses being administered over several weeks — not all in one go — and in a country where around 400 deaths normally occur among care home residents on a weekly basis.
Following a review of the deaths, which later totalled more than 30, the World Health Organization concluded there was actually no "unexpected" increase in deaths of frail, elderly individuals or any unusual adverse events following the vaccinations.
In fact, the vaccine did not play a "contributory role" in the fatalities at all, the panel found.
It's a finding that comes as tens of millions of COVID-19 vaccine doses are being administered in countries around the world, including to millions of seniors, with the clear protective benefits against severe infections so far outweighing minor risks such as allergic reactions in rare instances.
"We're just not seeing the data showing that the vaccine is hastening anybody's death," Sinha said.
However, an earlier investigation from the Norwegian Medicines Agency, Norway's national medical regulatory authority, did note that common adverse reactions of mRNA-based vaccines, such as fever, nausea and diarrhea, may have contributed to some of those deadly outcomes in the Norweigian patients.
Canadian physicians do agree immune system responses to a vaccine could indeed prove dire, but only for the most frail of elderly individuals who are already approaching their death based on their age and pre-existing health issues.
That could mean someone immobile, largely bed-bound and in the end stages of dementia, explained geriatrician Dr. Janet McElhaney, the scientific director of the Health Sciences North Research Institute and a professor at the Northern Ontario School of Medicine in Sudbury, Ont.
"Those are not the people that we want to be vaccinating, as they are unlikely to tolerate that."
For someone severely frail and dehydrated, even a short bout of diarrhea can be dangerous to their health, she said.
(article continues at link)
I don't buy it until you provide a Twitter link. These "credible" "news" "sources" are all the same. /sarcasm
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In mid-January, an unsettling report from Norway suggested 23 frail, elderly patients had all died after receiving a dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.
The finding made headlines around the world.
Meanwhile, here in Canada, there have been instances of coronavirus infections and deaths in the midst of initial vaccination efforts targeting residents of long-term care.
A home in Saskatoon where the vast majority of residents had received their first vaccine dose later reported seven cases of COVID-19. And a facility in Barrie, Ont., is in the grips of a facility-wide outbreak that has caused dozens of deaths due to a fast-spreading virus variant — even as public health officials raced to fully vaccinate all the residents while the outbreak progressed.
But in all these instances of seniors falling ill or dying after receiving at least one dose, dire-sounding headlines don't tell the whole story, experts say.
"Just because somebody died after receiving the COVID vaccine does not mean the COVID vaccine caused the death," said Dr. Noni MacDonald, a researcher focused on vaccine safety who is also a professor at Dalhousie University's department of pediatrics in Halifax.
In the case of outbreaks in long-term care homes, it's important to remember that while one dose offers some level of protection, it's not the full amount that results from the two-dose regimen for either of the vaccines currently approved in Canada, said Dr. Samir Sinha, director of geriatrics at Mount Sinai Hospital in Toronto.
That means even if residents get partially vaccinated, it might not be enough to protect them if the virus is spreading where they live.
"There might have been a high level of COVID circulating, and they didn't have enough protection within days of their very first dose to confer immunity at that point," he said.
Canadian physicians also stress COVID-19 vaccines are proving overwhelmingly safe and protective for the majority of elderly recipients — a population that's at the highest risk of dying from the illness.
"We are now hoping that as soon as we get people vaccinated, especially in these care settings, that we're really going to see the burden of disease — and the resulting burden of death — stopped," Sinha said.
No unexpected death increase, WHO concludes
In Norway, the deaths of those 23 elderly vaccine recipients happened during the course of more than 20,000 Pfizer-BioNTech doses being administered over several weeks — not all in one go — and in a country where around 400 deaths normally occur among care home residents on a weekly basis.
Following a review of the deaths, which later totalled more than 30, the World Health Organization concluded there was actually no "unexpected" increase in deaths of frail, elderly individuals or any unusual adverse events following the vaccinations.
In fact, the vaccine did not play a "contributory role" in the fatalities at all, the panel found.
It's a finding that comes as tens of millions of COVID-19 vaccine doses are being administered in countries around the world, including to millions of seniors, with the clear protective benefits against severe infections so far outweighing minor risks such as allergic reactions in rare instances.
"We're just not seeing the data showing that the vaccine is hastening anybody's death," Sinha said.
However, an earlier investigation from the Norwegian Medicines Agency, Norway's national medical regulatory authority, did note that common adverse reactions of mRNA-based vaccines, such as fever, nausea and diarrhea, may have contributed to some of those deadly outcomes in the Norweigian patients.
Canadian physicians do agree immune system responses to a vaccine could indeed prove dire, but only for the most frail of elderly individuals who are already approaching their death based on their age and pre-existing health issues.
That could mean someone immobile, largely bed-bound and in the end stages of dementia, explained geriatrician Dr. Janet McElhaney, the scientific director of the Health Sciences North Research Institute and a professor at the Northern Ontario School of Medicine in Sudbury, Ont.
"Those are not the people that we want to be vaccinating, as they are unlikely to tolerate that."
For someone severely frail and dehydrated, even a short bout of diarrhea can be dangerous to their health, she said.
(article continues at link)
I don't buy it until you provide a Twitter link. These "credible" "news" "sources" are all the same. /sarcasm
Hey - "do your research" and find your own twitter link!
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My sister got her second vaccine dose today. Within a few hours she said her arm felt like it was hit by a truck. It was much worse than the first dose which she said felt like the pain you get from a regular flu shot. She can't lift her arm right now at all without massive pain. Hopefully, that is all she will go through tonight with it. I told her to keep me posted.
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Scary, GG! My mother could not lift her arm for a day after the first shot ..she was much better the second day and fine the third. Hoping your sister sees something like that.
Scary, GG! My mother could not lift her arm for a day after the first shot ..she was much better the second day and fine the third. Hoping your sister sees something like that.
Thanks. I am glad it didn’t last too long for your mom. I just talked to my sister. Her arm is in agony. She said it is so painful that she wants to cry, and she has a slight fever and chills. I hope she feels better tomorrow. It is worth a few days of not feeling well to get this whole thing behind us.
My ex wife has had both vaccinations and tested positive today. Thankfully my son tested negative however I won’t see him for at least ten days. Miss my kid, Covid sucks.
My ex wife has had both vaccinations and tested positive today. Thankfully my son tested negative however I won’t see him for at least ten days. Miss my kid, Covid sucks.
Dude that is crazy. Sorry to hear. Covid does suck
My ex wife has had both vaccinations and tested positive today. Thankfully my son tested negative however I won’t see him for at least ten days. Miss my kid, Covid sucks.
Hoping they will be ok. How long has it been since her 2nd shot?
Scary, GG! My mother could not lift her arm for a day after the first shot ..she was much better the second day and fine the third. Hoping your sister sees something like that.
Thanks. I am glad it didn’t last too long for your mom. I just talked to my sister. Her arm is in agony. She said it is so painful that she wants to cry, and she has a slight fever and chills. I hope she feels better tomorrow. It is worth a few days of not feeling well to get this whole thing behind us.
I haven’t had my second shot yet, but the arm soreness from the first is no joke! The day after the shot was the worst, but by day three it was feeling much better. If you are planning on doing heavy lifting (or any lifting at all) after getting the shot, change your plans!
Scary, GG! My mother could not lift her arm for a day after the first shot ..she was much better the second day and fine the third. Hoping your sister sees something like that.
Thanks. I am glad it didn’t last too long for your mom. I just talked to my sister. Her arm is in agony. She said it is so painful that she wants to cry, and she has a slight fever and chills. I hope she feels better tomorrow. It is worth a few days of not feeling well to get this whole thing behind us.
Has she had the regular flu vaccine? Did she have any reaction in the past?
My ex wife has had both vaccinations and tested positive today. Thankfully my son tested negative however I won’t see him for at least ten days. Miss my kid, Covid sucks.
If you know and are willing to share timing of things, I'd be interested to know.
Scary, GG! My mother could not lift her arm for a day after the first shot ..she was much better the second day and fine the third. Hoping your sister sees something like that.
Thanks. I am glad it didn’t last too long for your mom. I just talked to my sister. Her arm is in agony. She said it is so painful that she wants to cry, and she has a slight fever and chills. I hope she feels better tomorrow. It is worth a few days of not feeling well to get this whole thing behind us.
Has she had the regular flu vaccine? Did she have any reaction in the past?
Yes. She gets the flu shot every year and has never gotten this reaction. I hope it starts subsiding today. She said she was up all night.
My ex wife has had both vaccinations and tested positive today. Thankfully my son tested negative however I won’t see him for at least ten days. Miss my kid, Covid sucks.
Scary, GG! My mother could not lift her arm for a day after the first shot ..she was much better the second day and fine the third. Hoping your sister sees something like that.
Thanks. I am glad it didn’t last too long for your mom. I just talked to my sister. Her arm is in agony. She said it is so painful that she wants to cry, and she has a slight fever and chills. I hope she feels better tomorrow. It is worth a few days of not feeling well to get this whole thing behind us.
Has she had the regular flu vaccine? Did she have any reaction in the past?
Yes. She gets the flu shot every year and has never gotten this reaction. I hope it starts subsiding today. She said she was up all night.
Scary, GG! My mother could not lift her arm for a day after the first shot ..she was much better the second day and fine the third. Hoping your sister sees something like that.
Thanks. I am glad it didn’t last too long for your mom. I just talked to my sister. Her arm is in agony. She said it is so painful that she wants to cry, and she has a slight fever and chills. I hope she feels better tomorrow. It is worth a few days of not feeling well to get this whole thing behind us.
Has she had the regular flu vaccine? Did she have any reaction in the past?
Yes. She gets the flu shot every year and has never gotten this reaction. I hope it starts subsiding today. She said she was up all night.
For what it's worth, in every instance that I've read about, the more severe reactions seems to largely subside by the next day. Good luck to her.
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My ex wife has had both vaccinations and tested positive today. Thankfully my son tested negative however I won’t see him for at least ten days. Miss my kid, Covid sucks.
You must be so worried for your son. Do you suppose most Americans are aware that the vaccine lessens covid-19's severity but doesn't prevent transmission?
On this subject. I have first hand reports from my brothers care home. A few staff had Pfizer and the rest had Oxford1 dose and some refused vaccine. Now since they were vaccinated 5 staff and 3 residents have tested positive. None have many if any symptoms and none hospitalizations. I believe this is what the vaccine is for to prevent serious disease and even after 1 dose within 3 weeks at that.
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My ex wife has had both vaccinations and tested positive today. Thankfully my son tested negative however I won’t see him for at least ten days. Miss my kid, Covid sucks.
If you know and are willing to share timing of things, I'd be interested to know.
She got her second covid shot this past Saturday and is experiencing no covid symptoms.
My first grader got sent home today because he was in close contact to a positive case. He s home until feb 9.
Scary, GG! My mother could not lift her arm for a day after the first shot ..she was much better the second day and fine the third. Hoping your sister sees something like that.
Thanks. I am glad it didn’t last too long for your mom. I just talked to my sister. Her arm is in agony. She said it is so painful that she wants to cry, and she has a slight fever and chills. I hope she feels better tomorrow. It is worth a few days of not feeling well to get this whole thing behind us.
Has she had the regular flu vaccine? Did she have any reaction in the past?
Yes. She gets the flu shot every year and has never gotten this reaction. I hope it starts subsiding today. She said she was up all night.
Interesting. Hope she feels better soon.
Thanks. I spoke with her earlier. She said the chills and fever and headache were much better today. She was up all night feeling miserable. She said she still has muscle aches and a sore arm, but much more manageable than yesterday. Apparently, having this kind of reaction to the second vaccine dose is an indication of a robust immune system. So, that part is good.
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Scary, GG! My mother could not lift her arm for a day after the first shot ..she was much better the second day and fine the third. Hoping your sister sees something like that.
Thanks. I am glad it didn’t last too long for your mom. I just talked to my sister. Her arm is in agony. She said it is so painful that she wants to cry, and she has a slight fever and chills. I hope she feels better tomorrow. It is worth a few days of not feeling well to get this whole thing behind us.
Has she had the regular flu vaccine? Did she have any reaction in the past?
Yes. She gets the flu shot every year and has never gotten this reaction. I hope it starts subsiding today. She said she was up all night.
Interesting. Hope she feels better soon.
Thanks. I spoke with her earlier. She said the chills and fever and headache were much better today. She was up all night feeling miserable. She said she still has muscle aches and a sore arm, but much more manageable than yesterday. Apparently, having this kind of reaction to the second vaccine dose is an indication of a robust immune system. So, that part is good.
Good news - and that somewhat alleviates my fears of strong reactions. In a roundabout way, my immune system absolutely sucking could for once be beneficial (at least in that little realm).
Scary, GG! My mother could not lift her arm for a day after the first shot ..she was much better the second day and fine the third. Hoping your sister sees something like that.
Thanks. I am glad it didn’t last too long for your mom. I just talked to my sister. Her arm is in agony. She said it is so painful that she wants to cry, and she has a slight fever and chills. I hope she feels better tomorrow. It is worth a few days of not feeling well to get this whole thing behind us.
Has she had the regular flu vaccine? Did she have any reaction in the past?
Yes. She gets the flu shot every year and has never gotten this reaction. I hope it starts subsiding today. She said she was up all night.
Interesting. Hope she feels better soon.
Thanks. I spoke with her earlier. She said the chills and fever and headache were much better today. She was up all night feeling miserable. She said she still has muscle aches and a sore arm, but much more manageable than yesterday. Apparently, having this kind of reaction to the second vaccine dose is an indication of a robust immune system. So, that part is good.
I have to imagine that you also just get worried or even a little scared and that makes it worse since you don't know what else will happen or when it will end. Yes, her immune system is certainly working!
BC has been household only for 8 weeks or so with a couple more to go before a renewal or heightened restrictions can be implemented, such as closing non-essential business or schools.
Formerly, for social interactions I could visit my mom, sisters, or a friend or two. Now, my calandar looks like: shopping at the mall for spring clothes, whitening my teeth at the dentist, microblading my eyebrows, breast enhancement surgery, manicures, massages, along with walking the dog and skiing. (I am also allowed to eat a restaurant with my household only- which is my kid, so I don't. - or I am allowed to have interactions with people who live alone.)
But I'm thinking... since the new variants spread more quickly, any buisness restrictions such as limiting occupancy and heightened cleaning may not be effective as they targetted the Covid we new in 2020. So, maybe it's best if I resume my old forms of interacting with others, rather than the outings that are permissible here! (Is this covid fatigue - or am I doing a risk assessment that is more to my favour than that of the economy?)
Now, my calandar looks like: shopping at the mall for spring clothes, whitening my teeth at the dentist, microblading my eyebrows, breast enhancement surgery, manicures, massages, along with walking the dog and skiing
Now, my calandar looks like: shopping at the mall for spring clothes, whitening my teeth at the dentist, microblading my eyebrows, breast enhancement surgery, manicures, massages, along with walking the dog and skiing
That's one hell of a weekend.
sounds like something out of a Barbie cartoon. LOL
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The good news is they have tracked all results from way more people than the trial. This info is in the linked source.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-in-israel-successes-lessons-and-caveats
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Hey - "do your research" and find your own twitter link!
My mother could not lift her arm for a day after the first shot ..she was much better the second day and fine the third.
Hoping your sister sees something like that.
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How long has it been since her 2nd shot?
More than 85 poor countries will not have widespread access to coronavirus vaccines before 2023
Canada is looking at 2022.
Our incompetent PM pumped billion into foreign vaccine makers over potential domestic vaccine production...
Canadian vaccine maker says it would be closer to rollout if it had more help from Ottawa
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-tuesday-edition-1.5888545/canadian-vaccine-maker-says-it-would-be-closer-to-rollout-if-it-had-more-help-from-ottawa-1.5888704
For what it's worth, in every instance that I've read about, the more severe reactions seems to largely subside by the next day. Good luck to her.
Now since they were vaccinated 5 staff and 3 residents have tested positive. None have many if any symptoms and none hospitalizations.
I believe this is what the vaccine is for to prevent serious disease and even after 1 dose within 3 weeks at that.
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Formerly, for social interactions I could visit my mom, sisters, or a friend or two. Now, my calandar looks like: shopping at the mall for spring clothes, whitening my teeth at the dentist, microblading my eyebrows, breast enhancement surgery, manicures, massages, along with walking the dog and skiing. (I am also allowed to eat a restaurant with my household only- which is my kid, so I don't. - or I am allowed to have interactions with people who live alone.)
But I'm thinking... since the new variants spread more quickly, any buisness restrictions such as limiting occupancy and heightened cleaning may not be effective as they targetted the Covid we new in 2020. So, maybe it's best if I resume my old forms of interacting with others, rather than the outings that are permissible here! (Is this covid fatigue - or am I doing a risk assessment that is more to my favour than that of the economy?)
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