South Dakota nurse says many patients deny the coronavirus exists — right up until death By Paulina Villegas November 16 at 5:22 PM EST Jodi Doering, an emergency room nurse in South Dakota, was overwhelmed Saturday night. Her patients were dying of covid-19, yet were still in denial about the pandemic’s existence. It’s like a “horror movie that never ends,” Doering wrote on Twitter. Her anxiety and despair are shared by many health-care workers who are facing a dramatic surge in covid-19 patients. But some front-line workers, like Doering, also face the emotional toll of treating patients who, despite being severely ill, are reluctant to acknowledge that they have been infected with a virus that President Trump has said will simply disappear. Doering said she has covid-19 patients who need 100-percent-oxygen breathing assistance and who will also swear they don’t have the illness that has ended the lives of nearly a quarter-million people in the United States since February. “I think the hardest thing to watch is that people are still looking for something else and a magic answer and they do not want to believe covid is real,” Doering told CNN in an interview Monday. “Their last dying words are, ‘This can’t be happening. It’s not real,’” Doering said, adding that some patients prefer to believe that they have pneumonia or other diseases rather than covid-19, despite seeing their positive test results. Doering’s weekend tweets went viral and prompted reaction from residents, health-care workers and local officials. “COVID is amplifying the feeling of frustration and helplessness our front-line healthcare workers are experiencing,” Brookings, S.D., City Council member Nick Wendell wrote on Twitter. “We are in the midst of the storm right now. When we see our way through to the other side, the accumulated grief of healthcare workers in our state will be among the debris.” [Worsening coronavirus crisis pushes leaders to take new measures] The United States surpassed 11 million coronavirus cases Sunday, and health experts warn of even bleaker weeks ahead, urging the public to take the pandemic seriously and abide by strict social-distancing rules. They have also urged public officials to implement more restrictions, such as statewide mask mandates, to stem the spread. Coronavirus cases are increasing rapidly across the country, but North and South Dakota led the nation in new cases and deaths per capita last week, according to Washington Post data. In North Dakota, where cases have rocketed in the past month, Republican Gov. Doug Burgum has also acknowledged the phenomenon of disbelief among the population. Burgum pleaded with fellow residents late last week to take precautions, as the state’s hospitals are overwhelmed with patients. “You don’t have to believe in covid, you don’t have to believe in a certain political party or not, you don’t have to believe whether masks work or not. You can just do it because you know that one thing is very real. And that’s that 100 percent of our capacity is now being used,” Burgum said. [‘Covid-hell.’ ‘Humanitarian disaster.’ Experts sound the alarm about U.S. coronavirus outbreak.] South Dakota Gov. Kristi L. Noem (R) has opposed mask mandates and other measures despite the rapid spread in her state. Noem has become a star in Trump’s circle by joining in his antagonism toward mainstream scientific opinion: She is one of the few governors who refused to issue a stay-at-home order in the spring, has repeatedly questioned the validity of using masks to reduce viral spread and hosted the president for a massive, tightly packed Fourth of July celebration at Mount Rushmore. Last week, South Dakota reported an 18.2 percent increase in daily deaths and a 26.5 percent jump in hospitalizations, according to data tracked by The Post. The South Dakota Department of Health reported 2,020 new coronavirus infections Thursday, a record for positive results in a 24-hour period. “It is hard and sad because every hospital, every nurse, every doctor in the state is seeing the same things,” Doering told CNN. “These people are getting sick the same way, you treat them in the same way, they die in the same way, and then you do it all over again.” Griffe Witte and Tony Romm contributed to this report.
A very distant family member is a minister. She was recently presiding over a double Covid-19 funeral here in the mid-west and told us there were people in attendance who did not believe it was real.
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hedonist
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Society should still practice Covid precuastions a few weeks every flu season going forward (Washing hands longer, social distancing etc)
Would save a lot of elderly people every year
You can not get Americans on board with now (240 000+ deaths)...they'll never go for it in the flu season...
americans would just brush flu season off and say "it is just a less severe and less lethal form of coronavirus".
because on the whole americans think they know everything. i had no idea that people i went to school with who dropped out in 10th grade are infectious disease experts on social media now.
I don't think this is an american thing
It's not just an American thing, but I do think America puts a higher premium on individualism (as opposed to collectivism) than most places. America doesn't have a patent on it, but we do it best.
Americans have gotten a crash course in how much "freedom" they really have this year and to many it's frightening. I don't defend their logic in most regards because this is a once a century crisis that requires teamwork on a mass scale. Regardless, out here in CA the Gov just imposed restrictions that will likely kill a large amount of small businesses. It's tragic that we couldn't unite months ago but at this point we are a fractured country and the more restrictions put in place the more fractured we become. Writing off the frustration and behavior of millions of unemployed, hopeless Americans as simply morons accomplishes nothing and only fuels their anger. It plays well on a PJ message board but not in the real world. Somehow selling the message that a slow but responsible re-opening of our country is the only way out is what Biden and other politicians need to accomplish. So far they have failed miserably, from the oblivious red state leadership that's led to 40% positivity rates to the condescending tone of a Gavin Newsom who enrages a good portion of his own state. Leadership matters and sadly our country has very little of it right now.
Too bad our governor is a hypocritical ass.
Asking both Hedonist and lastexit78: I'm not challenging your strong dislike of Newsom, I'm just curious as to why there is so much divided opinion about Newsom and what it is his detractors don't like about him.
My take is that he seems very dedicated to the job and has a great deal of concern for the people of California. I haven't found anything I strongly disagree on and I thought he really came to the plate when COVID struck with his daily live up dates. During one of them, he was harassed relentlessly by a BLM member using a loudspeaker to blast siren noise. He handled that very calmly.
So what is it about him that vexes you so?
Aside from his smarminess (a personal take), his bullet train to nowhere wasted a shitload of taxpayer money, he sucks on our homeless situation and you don’t beg your so-called constituents to exercise extreme caution, avoid others, etc, and then flout his hypocrisy by attending a fancy staff dinner.
Lost in all of this is that the repub senate hasn’t taken up the house stimulus bill that was sent over. Okay, you disagree with the price tag and the house isn’t budging. Put your money where your mouth is and hold a floor vote. Are you afraid of accountability? Businesses are going under without stimulus, either defend yourselves and your position or let it go. Doing nothing is not an option, particularly post election. The Do Nothing Party.
is there anything in that bill that the democrats tried to sneak in that had nothing to do with the stimulus? it wouldn't surprise me if that was the hold out.
Lost in all of this is that the repub senate hasn’t taken up the house stimulus bill that was sent over. Okay, you disagree with the price tag and the house isn’t budging. Put your money where your mouth is and hold a floor vote. Are you afraid of accountability? Businesses are going under without stimulus, either defend yourselves and your position or let it go. Doing nothing is not an option, particularly post election. The Do Nothing Party.
is there anything in that bill that the democrats tried to sneak in that had nothing to do with the stimulus? it wouldn't surprise me if that was the hold out.
Regardless, hold a vote and explain to your constituents why you voted the way you did. If it’s shot down because dems hid shit the pressure to do something is on the dems. Hiding behind “do nothing” is pathetic and not doing what you were elected and paid for to do, particularly in light of a pandemic.
Lost in all of this is that the repub senate hasn’t taken up the house stimulus bill that was sent over. Okay, you disagree with the price tag and the house isn’t budging. Put your money where your mouth is and hold a floor vote. Are you afraid of accountability? Businesses are going under without stimulus, either defend yourselves and your position or let it go. Doing nothing is not an option, particularly post election. The Do Nothing Party.
is there anything in that bill that the democrats tried to sneak in that had nothing to do with the stimulus? it wouldn't surprise me if that was the hold out.
Regardless, hold a vote and explain to your constituents why you voted the way you did. If it’s shot down because dems hid shit the pressure to do something is on the dems. Hiding behind “do nothing” is pathetic and not doing what you were elected and paid for to do, particularly in light of a pandemic.
i just think it's so pointless that both sides try to sneak stuff in that they know will either get missed or kill the entire bill. debating ad nauseum is a complete waste of time, especially with money this important. each side tries to paint the other as the bad guy for holding up a bill all the while misrepresenting what is in that bill. (not saying that's true here, I don't know, but it's so common it wouldn't surprise me and it's part of the reason nothing gets done in washington).
Lost in all of this is that the repub senate hasn’t taken up the house stimulus bill that was sent over. Okay, you disagree with the price tag and the house isn’t budging. Put your money where your mouth is and hold a floor vote. Are you afraid of accountability? Businesses are going under without stimulus, either defend yourselves and your position or let it go. Doing nothing is not an option, particularly post election. The Do Nothing Party.
is there anything in that bill that the democrats tried to sneak in that had nothing to do with the stimulus? it wouldn't surprise me if that was the hold out.
Regardless, hold a vote and explain to your constituents why you voted the way you did. If it’s shot down because dems hid shit the pressure to do something is on the dems. Hiding behind “do nothing” is pathetic and not doing what you were elected and paid for to do, particularly in light of a pandemic.
Lets face it, a stimulus bill that has to do with anything other than stimulus is ridiculous. Maybe "working" more than 138 days a year would help with seeing the fruits of their "labor".
Lost in all of this is that the repub senate hasn’t taken up the house stimulus bill that was sent over. Okay, you disagree with the price tag and the house isn’t budging. Put your money where your mouth is and hold a floor vote. Are you afraid of accountability? Businesses are going under without stimulus, either defend yourselves and your position or let it go. Doing nothing is not an option, particularly post election. The Do Nothing Party.
is there anything in that bill that the democrats tried to sneak in that had nothing to do with the stimulus? it wouldn't surprise me if that was the hold out.
Regardless, hold a vote and explain to your constituents why you voted the way you did. If it’s shot down because dems hid shit the pressure to do something is on the dems. Hiding behind “do nothing” is pathetic and not doing what you were elected and paid for to do, particularly in light of a pandemic.
Lets face it, a stimulus bill that has to do with anything other than stimulus is ridiculous. Maybe "working" more than 138 days a year would help with seeing the fruits of their "labor".
exactly, it just makes it easy for mcconnell to put a stop to it and blame the dems for tossing in unnecessary shit, while the dems are playing the same blame game.
Lost in all of this is that the repub senate hasn’t taken up the house stimulus bill that was sent over. Okay, you disagree with the price tag and the house isn’t budging. Put your money where your mouth is and hold a floor vote. Are you afraid of accountability? Businesses are going under without stimulus, either defend yourselves and your position or let it go. Doing nothing is not an option, particularly post election. The Do Nothing Party.
is there anything in that bill that the democrats tried to sneak in that had nothing to do with the stimulus? it wouldn't surprise me if that was the hold out.
Regardless, hold a vote and explain to your constituents why you voted the way you did. If it’s shot down because dems hid shit the pressure to do something is on the dems. Hiding behind “do nothing” is pathetic and not doing what you were elected and paid for to do, particularly in light of a pandemic.
Lets face it, a stimulus bill that has to do with anything other than stimulus is ridiculous. Maybe "working" more than 138 days a year would help with seeing the fruits of their "labor".
Moscow Mitchy Baby controls the calendar and what comes to a vote. The house offered up a bill. It’s weak not to put it to a vote, regardless of “what’s in it.” These ain’t normal times and people are hurting. Again, the house passed a bill, take it up.
Most Americans have no idea of the concentrated wealth this country has. This pandemic has caused havoc for 9 months and yet the stock market is near 30,000. A lot of companies have made insane profits during the pandemic. You could throw a quarter percent COVID relief tax on the ballot for those making over 200k and Republicans would fight it to the death. If this was America of say 1944 we would have already had a $3 trillion stimulus months ago. Meanwhile myself and many others are doing everything we can to support small businesses but we aren't millionaires. The greed and selfishness in the country is rearing its head right now at the worst possible time. No legit reason a stimulus is sitting in limbo right now, especially when lives are literally at stake.
Lost in all of this is that the repub senate hasn’t taken up the house stimulus bill that was sent over. Okay, you disagree with the price tag and the house isn’t budging. Put your money where your mouth is and hold a floor vote. Are you afraid of accountability? Businesses are going under without stimulus, either defend yourselves and your position or let it go. Doing nothing is not an option, particularly post election. The Do Nothing Party.
is there anything in that bill that the democrats tried to sneak in that had nothing to do with the stimulus? it wouldn't surprise me if that was the hold out.
Regardless, hold a vote and explain to your constituents why you voted the way you did. If it’s shot down because dems hid shit the pressure to do something is on the dems. Hiding behind “do nothing” is pathetic and not doing what you were elected and paid for to do, particularly in light of a pandemic.
Lets face it, a stimulus bill that has to do with anything other than stimulus is ridiculous. Maybe "working" more than 138 days a year would help with seeing the fruits of their "labor".
Moscow Mitchy Baby controls the calendar and what comes to a vote. The house offered up a bill. It’s weak not to put it to a vote, regardless of “what’s in it.” These ain’t normal times and people are hurting. Again, the house passed a bill, take it up.
This is not the time to be playing games. Unlike our celebrity
politicians there are people who are relying on assistance or everything
they have worked for is gone, I could not imagine that feeling. Any
part of that equation is to blame in my opinion, but I hold no party
allegiance so what do I know.
Most Americans have no idea of the concentrated wealth this country has. This pandemic has caused havoc for 9 months and yet the stock market is near 30,000. A lot of companies have made insane profits during the pandemic. You could throw a quarter percent COVID relief tax on the ballot for those making over 200k and Republicans would fight it to the death. If this was America of say 1944 we would have already had a $3 trillion stimulus months ago. Meanwhile myself and many others are doing everything we can to support small businesses but we aren't millionaires. The greed and selfishness in the country is rearing its head right now at the worst possible time. No legit reason a stimulus is sitting in limbo right now, especially when lives are literally at stake.
And yet people that voted for this inept pile of shit complain about masks and restrictions all while hospitals are being over run and thousands are dying daily. You would think the owners of these dying business would have seen the light, but many stand behind the idiot yelling "30,000!" on Twitter. Great, that just means the big corporations and now pharma are capitalizing on this pandemic and floating the economy while the bottom falls out and the top gets more and more out of reach.
It's a hopeless situation...
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brianlux
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Society should still practice Covid precuastions a few weeks every flu season going forward (Washing hands longer, social distancing etc)
Would save a lot of elderly people every year
You can not get Americans on board with now (240 000+ deaths)...they'll never go for it in the flu season...
americans would just brush flu season off and say "it is just a less severe and less lethal form of coronavirus".
because on the whole americans think they know everything. i had no idea that people i went to school with who dropped out in 10th grade are infectious disease experts on social media now.
I don't think this is an american thing
It's not just an American thing, but I do think America puts a higher premium on individualism (as opposed to collectivism) than most places. America doesn't have a patent on it, but we do it best.
Americans have gotten a crash course in how much "freedom" they really have this year and to many it's frightening. I don't defend their logic in most regards because this is a once a century crisis that requires teamwork on a mass scale. Regardless, out here in CA the Gov just imposed restrictions that will likely kill a large amount of small businesses. It's tragic that we couldn't unite months ago but at this point we are a fractured country and the more restrictions put in place the more fractured we become. Writing off the frustration and behavior of millions of unemployed, hopeless Americans as simply morons accomplishes nothing and only fuels their anger. It plays well on a PJ message board but not in the real world. Somehow selling the message that a slow but responsible re-opening of our country is the only way out is what Biden and other politicians need to accomplish. So far they have failed miserably, from the oblivious red state leadership that's led to 40% positivity rates to the condescending tone of a Gavin Newsom who enrages a good portion of his own state. Leadership matters and sadly our country has very little of it right now.
Too bad our governor is a hypocritical ass.
Asking both Hedonist and lastexit78: I'm not challenging your strong dislike of Newsom, I'm just curious as to why there is so much divided opinion about Newsom and what it is his detractors don't like about him.
My take is that he seems very dedicated to the job and has a great deal of concern for the people of California. I haven't found anything I strongly disagree on and I thought he really came to the plate when COVID struck with his daily live up dates. During one of them, he was harassed relentlessly by a BLM member using a loudspeaker to blast siren noise. He handled that very calmly.
So what is it about him that vexes you so?
Personally I'm indifferent to Newson. Overall he's handled the pandemic better than most governors and that's saying something because this state is WAY more politically diverse than most people realize. I have a lot of family and friends on the conservative side and they see him as an elitist. They see a 5% positivity rate and 78,000 or whatever ICU beds available and question why we under such harsh restrictions. Most of my family lives in a bordering county that's had 1,800 cases and a total of 4 deaths. I hear it everyday from them about how those numbers don't equate to what we are being asked to sacrifice. At this point I just tell them to wear masks and keep distancing but the message isn't landing because the haven't really been "hit" yet. Newsom yesterday admitted we are in a better place than most states but that he holds us to a higher standard. That's a tough message to sell when businesses are going bankrupt in counties who've seen little to no impact. Plus he made his own blunder that the far right instantly pounced on. I suppose if we had a proper federal response governors wouldn't be put in these positions but we know how that went. In the meantime time the message just isn't landing like it did in April or July. It's falling on deaf and angry ears at this point.
I probably ought to know the answer, but what blunder did he make? (It might be news that happened during the three days I was out with vertigo and migraine.)
Yes, Calif. is thought of as totally liberal which, of course, you and I know is not the case. I will say though, despite living in one of our most conservative counties (El Dorado County voted 53.2% for Trump, 44.5% for Biden in a state that went 67.3% Biden, 34.1% Trump), I'm glad to see most people wearing masks and being careful here. At least from what I've seen.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Lost in all of this is that the repub senate hasn’t taken up the house stimulus bill that was sent over. Okay, you disagree with the price tag and the house isn’t budging. Put your money where your mouth is and hold a floor vote. Are you afraid of accountability? Businesses are going under without stimulus, either defend yourselves and your position or let it go. Doing nothing is not an option, particularly post election. The Do Nothing Party.
is there anything in that bill that the democrats tried to sneak in that had nothing to do with the stimulus? it wouldn't surprise me if that was the hold out.
Regardless, hold a vote and explain to your constituents why you voted the way you did. If it’s shot down because dems hid shit the pressure to do something is on the dems. Hiding behind “do nothing” is pathetic and not doing what you were elected and paid for to do, particularly in light of a pandemic.
Lets face it, a stimulus bill that has to do with anything other than stimulus is ridiculous. Maybe "working" more than 138 days a year would help with seeing the fruits of their "labor".
Moscow Mitchy Baby controls the calendar and what comes to a vote. The house offered up a bill. It’s weak not to put it to a vote, regardless of “what’s in it.” These ain’t normal times and people are hurting. Again, the house passed a bill, take it up.
This is not the time to be playing games. Unlike our celebrity
politicians there are people who are relying on assistance or everything
they have worked for is gone, I could not imagine that feeling. Any
part of that equation is to blame in my opinion, but I hold no party
allegiance so what do I know.
The repubs have the votes to reject a bill put forth by house dems. They could vote it down and then go before the cameras and explain specifically why they voted it down and the changes they’d like to see. Then the ball is in the dems court. Moscow Mitchy Baby has taken the ball and gone home until the inaugural. That was a week or two ago. There could have been progress since then if one side would play ball. I suppose the house dems could have said fuck it, we're not passing a bill because Moscow Mitchy Baby won’t hold a vote, but they didn’t.
The repubs are the only ones playing games since this whole virus got started. Never took it seriously and lied about it from the get go. A whole lot of people are going to have a missing person at the table and shit under the tree. But the dems cancelled Christmas and but for their radical leftist ways. Maddening. Let them eat olives.
Society should still practice Covid precuastions a few weeks every flu season going forward (Washing hands longer, social distancing etc)
Would save a lot of elderly people every year
You can not get Americans on board with now (240 000+ deaths)...they'll never go for it in the flu season...
americans would just brush flu season off and say "it is just a less severe and less lethal form of coronavirus".
because on the whole americans think they know everything. i had no idea that people i went to school with who dropped out in 10th grade are infectious disease experts on social media now.
I don't think this is an american thing
It's not just an American thing, but I do think America puts a higher premium on individualism (as opposed to collectivism) than most places. America doesn't have a patent on it, but we do it best.
Americans have gotten a crash course in how much "freedom" they really have this year and to many it's frightening. I don't defend their logic in most regards because this is a once a century crisis that requires teamwork on a mass scale. Regardless, out here in CA the Gov just imposed restrictions that will likely kill a large amount of small businesses. It's tragic that we couldn't unite months ago but at this point we are a fractured country and the more restrictions put in place the more fractured we become. Writing off the frustration and behavior of millions of unemployed, hopeless Americans as simply morons accomplishes nothing and only fuels their anger. It plays well on a PJ message board but not in the real world. Somehow selling the message that a slow but responsible re-opening of our country is the only way out is what Biden and other politicians need to accomplish. So far they have failed miserably, from the oblivious red state leadership that's led to 40% positivity rates to the condescending tone of a Gavin Newsom who enrages a good portion of his own state. Leadership matters and sadly our country has very little of it right now.
Too bad our governor is a hypocritical ass.
Asking both Hedonist and lastexit78: I'm not challenging your strong dislike of Newsom, I'm just curious as to why there is so much divided opinion about Newsom and what it is his detractors don't like about him.
My take is that he seems very dedicated to the job and has a great deal of concern for the people of California. I haven't found anything I strongly disagree on and I thought he really came to the plate when COVID struck with his daily live up dates. During one of them, he was harassed relentlessly by a BLM member using a loudspeaker to blast siren noise. He handled that very calmly.
So what is it about him that vexes you so?
Im assuming that post was referring to his dinner party from 10 days ago, while shaming everyone to stay at home.
I did not see that. Was he really shaming people or was he simply making suggestions or giving advice. The word "shaming" has become quite in vogue and gets tossed around a lot these days. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am very suspicious lately of these terms that get tossed around so easily- things like "snowflake", "shaming", "fascist", "radical", and "socialist", etc.
I don't know if you'd call it guilting or shaming, but I'm pretty sure he had messages of "stay home and you'll save lives" when he puts in place his restrictions. Then to not do it yourself looks pretty bad, even if you don't agree with my use of shaming. But I equate a message of "do this to save lives" as on the same level of saying you're killing people if you don't, and to me that's shaming.
Sorry, I didn't know he had done that.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
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Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,947
Society should still practice Covid precuastions a few weeks every flu season going forward (Washing hands longer, social distancing etc)
Would save a lot of elderly people every year
You can not get Americans on board with now (240 000+ deaths)...they'll never go for it in the flu season...
americans would just brush flu season off and say "it is just a less severe and less lethal form of coronavirus".
because on the whole americans think they know everything. i had no idea that people i went to school with who dropped out in 10th grade are infectious disease experts on social media now.
I don't think this is an american thing
It's not just an American thing, but I do think America puts a higher premium on individualism (as opposed to collectivism) than most places. America doesn't have a patent on it, but we do it best.
Americans have gotten a crash course in how much "freedom" they really have this year and to many it's frightening. I don't defend their logic in most regards because this is a once a century crisis that requires teamwork on a mass scale. Regardless, out here in CA the Gov just imposed restrictions that will likely kill a large amount of small businesses. It's tragic that we couldn't unite months ago but at this point we are a fractured country and the more restrictions put in place the more fractured we become. Writing off the frustration and behavior of millions of unemployed, hopeless Americans as simply morons accomplishes nothing and only fuels their anger. It plays well on a PJ message board but not in the real world. Somehow selling the message that a slow but responsible re-opening of our country is the only way out is what Biden and other politicians need to accomplish. So far they have failed miserably, from the oblivious red state leadership that's led to 40% positivity rates to the condescending tone of a Gavin Newsom who enrages a good portion of his own state. Leadership matters and sadly our country has very little of it right now.
Too bad our governor is a hypocritical ass.
Asking both Hedonist and lastexit78: I'm not challenging your strong dislike of Newsom, I'm just curious as to why there is so much divided opinion about Newsom and what it is his detractors don't like about him.
My take is that he seems very dedicated to the job and has a great deal of concern for the people of California. I haven't found anything I strongly disagree on and I thought he really came to the plate when COVID struck with his daily live up dates. During one of them, he was harassed relentlessly by a BLM member using a loudspeaker to blast siren noise. He handled that very calmly.
So what is it about him that vexes you so?
Aside from his smarminess (a personal take), his bullet train to nowhere wasted a shitload of taxpayer money, he sucks on our homeless situation and you don’t beg your so-called constituents to exercise extreme caution, avoid others, etc, and then flout his hypocrisy by attending a fancy staff dinner.
Fuck him. And his lackey, Garcetti too.
"smarminess", "bullet train to nowhere", "wasted a shitload", "he sucks", "Hypocrisy", "Fuck him".
Well OK, that gives a pretty clear picture of you view point.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Lost in all of this is that the repub senate hasn’t taken up the house stimulus bill that was sent over. Okay, you disagree with the price tag and the house isn’t budging. Put your money where your mouth is and hold a floor vote. Are you afraid of accountability? Businesses are going under without stimulus, either defend yourselves and your position or let it go. Doing nothing is not an option, particularly post election. The Do Nothing Party.
is there anything in that bill that the democrats tried to sneak in that had nothing to do with the stimulus? it wouldn't surprise me if that was the hold out.
Regardless, hold a vote and explain to your constituents why you voted the way you did. If it’s shot down because dems hid shit the pressure to do something is on the dems. Hiding behind “do nothing” is pathetic and not doing what you were elected and paid for to do, particularly in light of a pandemic.
Lets face it, a stimulus bill that has to do with anything other than stimulus is ridiculous. Maybe "working" more than 138 days a year would help with seeing the fruits of their "labor".
Moscow Mitchy Baby controls the calendar and what comes to a vote. The house offered up a bill. It’s weak not to put it to a vote, regardless of “what’s in it.” These ain’t normal times and people are hurting. Again, the house passed a bill, take it up.
This is not the time to be playing games. Unlike our celebrity
politicians there are people who are relying on assistance or everything
they have worked for is gone, I could not imagine that feeling. Any
part of that equation is to blame in my opinion, but I hold no party
allegiance so what do I know.
The repubs have the votes to reject a bill put forth by house dems. They could vote it down and then go before the cameras and explain specifically why they voted it down and the changes they’d like to see. Then the ball is in the dems court. Moscow Mitchy Baby has taken the ball and gone home until the inaugural. That was a week or two ago. There could have been progress since then if one side would play ball. I suppose the house dems could have said fuck it, we're not passing a bill because Moscow Mitchy Baby won’t hold a vote, but they didn’t.
The repubs are the only ones playing games since this whole virus got started. Never took it seriously and lied about it from the get go. A whole lot of people are going to have a missing person at the table and shit under the tree. But the dems cancelled Christmas and but for their radical leftist ways. Maddening. Let them eat olives.
Again, I do not worship either party. A stimulus package should not contain anything other than that. I can only assume this one does and you are overseeing my issue by dismissing that and making it a blame game instead. I see this as a problem that neither side can hide from. Is this about those who actually need assistance or being allowed to slip party agendas into a bill?
Lost in all of this is that the repub senate hasn’t taken up the house stimulus bill that was sent over. Okay, you disagree with the price tag and the house isn’t budging. Put your money where your mouth is and hold a floor vote. Are you afraid of accountability? Businesses are going under without stimulus, either defend yourselves and your position or let it go. Doing nothing is not an option, particularly post election. The Do Nothing Party.
is there anything in that bill that the democrats tried to sneak in that had nothing to do with the stimulus? it wouldn't surprise me if that was the hold out.
Regardless, hold a vote and explain to your constituents why you voted the way you did. If it’s shot down because dems hid shit the pressure to do something is on the dems. Hiding behind “do nothing” is pathetic and not doing what you were elected and paid for to do, particularly in light of a pandemic.
Lets face it, a stimulus bill that has to do with anything other than stimulus is ridiculous. Maybe "working" more than 138 days a year would help with seeing the fruits of their "labor".
Moscow Mitchy Baby controls the calendar and what comes to a vote. The house offered up a bill. It’s weak not to put it to a vote, regardless of “what’s in it.” These ain’t normal times and people are hurting. Again, the house passed a bill, take it up.
This is not the time to be playing games. Unlike our celebrity
politicians there are people who are relying on assistance or everything
they have worked for is gone, I could not imagine that feeling. Any
part of that equation is to blame in my opinion, but I hold no party
allegiance so what do I know.
The repubs have the votes to reject a bill put forth by house dems. They could vote it down and then go before the cameras and explain specifically why they voted it down and the changes they’d like to see. Then the ball is in the dems court. Moscow Mitchy Baby has taken the ball and gone home until the inaugural. That was a week or two ago. There could have been progress since then if one side would play ball. I suppose the house dems could have said fuck it, we're not passing a bill because Moscow Mitchy Baby won’t hold a vote, but they didn’t.
The repubs are the only ones playing games since this whole virus got started. Never took it seriously and lied about it from the get go. A whole lot of people are going to have a missing person at the table and shit under the tree. But the dems cancelled Christmas and but for their radical leftist ways. Maddening. Let them eat olives.
Again, I do not worship either party. A stimulus package should not contain anything other than that. I can only assume this one does and you are overseeing my issue by dismissing that and making it a blame game instead. I see this as a problem that neither side can hide from. Is this about those who actually need assistance or being allowed to slip party agendas into a bill?
What one side considers fat or waste, the other considers stimulus. The senate could vote this down and demand a clean bill, which would be progress. They’re not. They’re hiding behind vague negotiations. They should do their job and live with the consequences. The dems did. And please spare me the purity worship BS. Maybe Moscow Mitchy Baby wants another tax cut for the top 1%? But we don’t know because he’s hiding behind the fat?
Lost in all of this is that the repub senate hasn’t taken up the house stimulus bill that was sent over. Okay, you disagree with the price tag and the house isn’t budging. Put your money where your mouth is and hold a floor vote. Are you afraid of accountability? Businesses are going under without stimulus, either defend yourselves and your position or let it go. Doing nothing is not an option, particularly post election. The Do Nothing Party.
is there anything in that bill that the democrats tried to sneak in that had nothing to do with the stimulus? it wouldn't surprise me if that was the hold out.
Regardless, hold a vote and explain to your constituents why you voted the way you did. If it’s shot down because dems hid shit the pressure to do something is on the dems. Hiding behind “do nothing” is pathetic and not doing what you were elected and paid for to do, particularly in light of a pandemic.
Lets face it, a stimulus bill that has to do with anything other than stimulus is ridiculous. Maybe "working" more than 138 days a year would help with seeing the fruits of their "labor".
Moscow Mitchy Baby controls the calendar and what comes to a vote. The house offered up a bill. It’s weak not to put it to a vote, regardless of “what’s in it.” These ain’t normal times and people are hurting. Again, the house passed a bill, take it up.
This is not the time to be playing games. Unlike our celebrity
politicians there are people who are relying on assistance or everything
they have worked for is gone, I could not imagine that feeling. Any
part of that equation is to blame in my opinion, but I hold no party
allegiance so what do I know.
The repubs have the votes to reject a bill put forth by house dems. They could vote it down and then go before the cameras and explain specifically why they voted it down and the changes they’d like to see. Then the ball is in the dems court. Moscow Mitchy Baby has taken the ball and gone home until the inaugural. That was a week or two ago. There could have been progress since then if one side would play ball. I suppose the house dems could have said fuck it, we're not passing a bill because Moscow Mitchy Baby won’t hold a vote, but they didn’t.
The repubs are the only ones playing games since this whole virus got started. Never took it seriously and lied about it from the get go. A whole lot of people are going to have a missing person at the table and shit under the tree. But the dems cancelled Christmas and but for their radical leftist ways. Maddening. Let them eat olives.
Again, I do not worship either party. A stimulus package should not contain anything other than that. I can only assume this one does and you are overseeing my issue by dismissing that and making it a blame game instead. I see this as a problem that neither side can hide from. Is this about those who actually need assistance or being allowed to slip party agendas into a bill?
What one side considers fat or waste, the other considers stimulus. The senate could vote this down and demand a clean bill, which would be progress. They’re not. They’re hiding behind vague negotiations. They should do their job and live with the consequences. The dems did. And please spare me the purity worship BS. Maybe Moscow Mitchy Baby wants another tax cut for the top 1%? But we don’t know because he’s hiding behind the fat?
I do not for a second believe every issue we face is the fault of one party, sorry. I think we could both agree that doing their job in this instance would be not pushing anything other than what our citizens currently need. When you have read through the bill give me the cliffs notes version and I will tell you from an unbiased perspective if I agree that the dems did their job.
Lost in all of this is that the repub senate hasn’t taken up the house stimulus bill that was sent over. Okay, you disagree with the price tag and the house isn’t budging. Put your money where your mouth is and hold a floor vote. Are you afraid of accountability? Businesses are going under without stimulus, either defend yourselves and your position or let it go. Doing nothing is not an option, particularly post election. The Do Nothing Party.
is there anything in that bill that the democrats tried to sneak in that had nothing to do with the stimulus? it wouldn't surprise me if that was the hold out.
Regardless, hold a vote and explain to your constituents why you voted the way you did. If it’s shot down because dems hid shit the pressure to do something is on the dems. Hiding behind “do nothing” is pathetic and not doing what you were elected and paid for to do, particularly in light of a pandemic.
Lets face it, a stimulus bill that has to do with anything other than stimulus is ridiculous. Maybe "working" more than 138 days a year would help with seeing the fruits of their "labor".
Moscow Mitchy Baby controls the calendar and what comes to a vote. The house offered up a bill. It’s weak not to put it to a vote, regardless of “what’s in it.” These ain’t normal times and people are hurting. Again, the house passed a bill, take it up.
This is not the time to be playing games. Unlike our celebrity
politicians there are people who are relying on assistance or everything
they have worked for is gone, I could not imagine that feeling. Any
part of that equation is to blame in my opinion, but I hold no party
allegiance so what do I know.
The repubs have the votes to reject a bill put forth by house dems. They could vote it down and then go before the cameras and explain specifically why they voted it down and the changes they’d like to see. Then the ball is in the dems court. Moscow Mitchy Baby has taken the ball and gone home until the inaugural. That was a week or two ago. There could have been progress since then if one side would play ball. I suppose the house dems could have said fuck it, we're not passing a bill because Moscow Mitchy Baby won’t hold a vote, but they didn’t.
The repubs are the only ones playing games since this whole virus got started. Never took it seriously and lied about it from the get go. A whole lot of people are going to have a missing person at the table and shit under the tree. But the dems cancelled Christmas and but for their radical leftist ways. Maddening. Let them eat olives.
Again, I do not worship either party. A stimulus package should not contain anything other than that. I can only assume this one does and you are overseeing my issue by dismissing that and making it a blame game instead. I see this as a problem that neither side can hide from. Is this about those who actually need assistance or being allowed to slip party agendas into a bill?
What one side considers fat or waste, the other considers stimulus. The senate could vote this down and demand a clean bill, which would be progress. They’re not. They’re hiding behind vague negotiations. They should do their job and live with the consequences. The dems did. And please spare me the purity worship BS. Maybe Moscow Mitchy Baby wants another tax cut for the top 1%? But we don’t know because he’s hiding behind the fat?
I do not for a second believe every issue we face is the fault of one party, sorry. I think we could both agree that doing their job in this instance would be not pushing anything other than what our citizens currently need. When you have read through the bill give me the cliffs notes version and I will tell you from an unbiased perspective if I agree that the dems did their job.
They’ve done more of a job than the repubs thus far. You can read, I assume, give me the parts of the dem bill that you believe should be stripped out. For purity.
Im sure you’d be blaming the dems if they refused to pass a bill and hid behind, “Moscow Mitchy Baby wouldn’t pass it anyway so what’s the point?”
87 year old repub Senator Chuck Grassley positive with covid and in quarantine. Seems maybe, just maybe, repubs might be coming around to reality but that S.D. nurses comments tell me otherwise.
Society should still practice Covid precuastions a few weeks every flu season going forward (Washing hands longer, social distancing etc)
Would save a lot of elderly people every year
You can not get Americans on board with now (240 000+ deaths)...they'll never go for it in the flu season...
americans would just brush flu season off and say "it is just a less severe and less lethal form of coronavirus".
because on the whole americans think they know everything. i had no idea that people i went to school with who dropped out in 10th grade are infectious disease experts on social media now.
I don't think this is an american thing
It's not just an American thing, but I do think America puts a higher premium on individualism (as opposed to collectivism) than most places. America doesn't have a patent on it, but we do it best.
Americans have gotten a crash course in how much "freedom" they really have this year and to many it's frightening. I don't defend their logic in most regards because this is a once a century crisis that requires teamwork on a mass scale. Regardless, out here in CA the Gov just imposed restrictions that will likely kill a large amount of small businesses. It's tragic that we couldn't unite months ago but at this point we are a fractured country and the more restrictions put in place the more fractured we become. Writing off the frustration and behavior of millions of unemployed, hopeless Americans as simply morons accomplishes nothing and only fuels their anger. It plays well on a PJ message board but not in the real world. Somehow selling the message that a slow but responsible re-opening of our country is the only way out is what Biden and other politicians need to accomplish. So far they have failed miserably, from the oblivious red state leadership that's led to 40% positivity rates to the condescending tone of a Gavin Newsom who enrages a good portion of his own state. Leadership matters and sadly our country has very little of it right now.
Too bad our governor is a hypocritical ass.
Asking both Hedonist and lastexit78: I'm not challenging your strong dislike of Newsom, I'm just curious as to why there is so much divided opinion about Newsom and what it is his detractors don't like about him.
My take is that he seems very dedicated to the job and has a great deal of concern for the people of California. I haven't found anything I strongly disagree on and I thought he really came to the plate when COVID struck with his daily live up dates. During one of them, he was harassed relentlessly by a BLM member using a loudspeaker to blast siren noise. He handled that very calmly.
So what is it about him that vexes you so?
Personally I'm indifferent to Newson. Overall he's handled the pandemic better than most governors and that's saying something because this state is WAY more politically diverse than most people realize. I have a lot of family and friends on the conservative side and they see him as an elitist. They see a 5% positivity rate and 78,000 or whatever ICU beds available and question why we under such harsh restrictions. Most of my family lives in a bordering county that's had 1,800 cases and a total of 4 deaths. I hear it everyday from them about how those numbers don't equate to what we are being asked to sacrifice. At this point I just tell them to wear masks and keep distancing but the message isn't landing because the haven't really been "hit" yet. Newsom yesterday admitted we are in a better place than most states but that he holds us to a higher standard. That's a tough message to sell when businesses are going bankrupt in counties who've seen little to no impact. Plus he made his own blunder that the far right instantly pounced on. I suppose if we had a proper federal response governors wouldn't be put in these positions but we know how that went. In the meantime time the message just isn't landing like it did in April or July. It's falling on deaf and angry ears at this point.
I probably ought to know the answer, but what blunder did he make? (It might be news that happened during the three days I was out with vertigo and migraine.)
Yes, Calif. is thought of as totally liberal which, of course, you and I know is not the case. I will say though, despite living in one of our most conservative counties (El Dorado County voted 53.2% for Trump, 44.5% for Biden in a state that went 67.3% Biden, 34.1% Trump), I'm glad to see most people wearing masks and being careful here. At least from what I've seen.
By the way, as noted above, far-right has not a thing to do with my response to his “blunder”. Hell, politics and parties don’t even enter the equation for me (unheard of, I know!); it has to do with common sense and accountability.
Society should still practice Covid precuastions a few weeks every flu season going forward (Washing hands longer, social distancing etc)
Would save a lot of elderly people every year
You can not get Americans on board with now (240 000+ deaths)...they'll never go for it in the flu season...
americans would just brush flu season off and say "it is just a less severe and less lethal form of coronavirus".
because on the whole americans think they know everything. i had no idea that people i went to school with who dropped out in 10th grade are infectious disease experts on social media now.
I don't think this is an american thing
It's not just an American thing, but I do think America puts a higher premium on individualism (as opposed to collectivism) than most places. America doesn't have a patent on it, but we do it best.
Americans have gotten a crash course in how much "freedom" they really have this year and to many it's frightening. I don't defend their logic in most regards because this is a once a century crisis that requires teamwork on a mass scale. Regardless, out here in CA the Gov just imposed restrictions that will likely kill a large amount of small businesses. It's tragic that we couldn't unite months ago but at this point we are a fractured country and the more restrictions put in place the more fractured we become. Writing off the frustration and behavior of millions of unemployed, hopeless Americans as simply morons accomplishes nothing and only fuels their anger. It plays well on a PJ message board but not in the real world. Somehow selling the message that a slow but responsible re-opening of our country is the only way out is what Biden and other politicians need to accomplish. So far they have failed miserably, from the oblivious red state leadership that's led to 40% positivity rates to the condescending tone of a Gavin Newsom who enrages a good portion of his own state. Leadership matters and sadly our country has very little of it right now.
Too bad our governor is a hypocritical ass.
Asking both Hedonist and lastexit78: I'm not challenging your strong dislike of Newsom, I'm just curious as to why there is so much divided opinion about Newsom and what it is his detractors don't like about him.
My take is that he seems very dedicated to the job and has a great deal of concern for the people of California. I haven't found anything I strongly disagree on and I thought he really came to the plate when COVID struck with his daily live up dates. During one of them, he was harassed relentlessly by a BLM member using a loudspeaker to blast siren noise. He handled that very calmly.
So what is it about him that vexes you so?
Aside from his smarminess (a personal take), his bullet train to nowhere wasted a shitload of taxpayer money, he sucks on our homeless situation and you don’t beg your so-called constituents to exercise extreme caution, avoid others, etc, and then flout his hypocrisy by attending a fancy staff dinner.
Fuck him. And his lackey, Garcetti too.
How involved was he with the bullet train. I guess he was the mayor of SF at the time so likely pushed it to voters. I remember it being on the ballot and thinking no way it would pass. I was shocked when it did and assumed dumb voters just saw the words “bullet train” and ignored everything else. Especially when you can fly there for cheaper than this proposed train to nowhere would cost.
Have you seen and heard the douchbaggery emanating from senate repubs regarding covid in the senate, particularly Ted Crud? Yup, the senator from Tejas mocking mask wearing while his state surpasses a million cases. And here I thought the senate could take up a dem stimulus bill. Guess I am a clown shoe.
And meanwhile, in the state of the senator that Ted Crud mocked, 10% of its population reported being food insecure. 1,173,000 million residents. Thanks Moscow Mitchy Baby for doing nothing. But hey, had the time to take up a failed fed board appointment. Priorities, ya know? Purity.
Society should still practice Covid precuastions a few weeks every flu season going forward (Washing hands longer, social distancing etc)
Would save a lot of elderly people every year
You can not get Americans on board with now (240 000+ deaths)...they'll never go for it in the flu season...
americans would just brush flu season off and say "it is just a less severe and less lethal form of coronavirus".
because on the whole americans think they know everything. i had no idea that people i went to school with who dropped out in 10th grade are infectious disease experts on social media now.
I don't think this is an american thing
It's not just an American thing, but I do think America puts a higher premium on individualism (as opposed to collectivism) than most places. America doesn't have a patent on it, but we do it best.
Americans have gotten a crash course in how much "freedom" they really have this year and to many it's frightening. I don't defend their logic in most regards because this is a once a century crisis that requires teamwork on a mass scale. Regardless, out here in CA the Gov just imposed restrictions that will likely kill a large amount of small businesses. It's tragic that we couldn't unite months ago but at this point we are a fractured country and the more restrictions put in place the more fractured we become. Writing off the frustration and behavior of millions of unemployed, hopeless Americans as simply morons accomplishes nothing and only fuels their anger. It plays well on a PJ message board but not in the real world. Somehow selling the message that a slow but responsible re-opening of our country is the only way out is what Biden and other politicians need to accomplish. So far they have failed miserably, from the oblivious red state leadership that's led to 40% positivity rates to the condescending tone of a Gavin Newsom who enrages a good portion of his own state. Leadership matters and sadly our country has very little of it right now.
Too bad our governor is a hypocritical ass.
Asking both Hedonist and lastexit78: I'm not challenging your strong dislike of Newsom, I'm just curious as to why there is so much divided opinion about Newsom and what it is his detractors don't like about him.
My take is that he seems very dedicated to the job and has a great deal of concern for the people of California. I haven't found anything I strongly disagree on and I thought he really came to the plate when COVID struck with his daily live up dates. During one of them, he was harassed relentlessly by a BLM member using a loudspeaker to blast siren noise. He handled that very calmly.
So what is it about him that vexes you so?
Personally I'm indifferent to Newson. Overall he's handled the pandemic better than most governors and that's saying something because this state is WAY more politically diverse than most people realize. I have a lot of family and friends on the conservative side and they see him as an elitist. They see a 5% positivity rate and 78,000 or whatever ICU beds available and question why we under such harsh restrictions. Most of my family lives in a bordering county that's had 1,800 cases and a total of 4 deaths. I hear it everyday from them about how those numbers don't equate to what we are being asked to sacrifice. At this point I just tell them to wear masks and keep distancing but the message isn't landing because the haven't really been "hit" yet. Newsom yesterday admitted we are in a better place than most states but that he holds us to a higher standard. That's a tough message to sell when businesses are going bankrupt in counties who've seen little to no impact. Plus he made his own blunder that the far right instantly pounced on. I suppose if we had a proper federal response governors wouldn't be put in these positions but we know how that went. In the meantime time the message just isn't landing like it did in April or July. It's falling on deaf and angry ears at this point.
I probably ought to know the answer, but what blunder did he make? (It might be news that happened during the three days I was out with vertigo and migraine.)
Yes, Calif. is thought of as totally liberal which, of course, you and I know is not the case. I will say though, despite living in one of our most conservative counties (El Dorado County voted 53.2% for Trump, 44.5% for Biden in a state that went 67.3% Biden, 34.1% Trump), I'm glad to see most people wearing masks and being careful here. At least from what I've seen.
By the way, as noted above, far-right has not a thing to do with my response to his “blunder”. Hell, politics and parties don’t even enter the equation for me (unheard of, I know!); it has to do with common sense and accountability.
I’m sick of this “do as I say” bullshit.
Common sense is always A-OK in my book!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Hahahahaha! Ted Crud from Tejas making eyes. Meanwhile, YOU lose. Oh well, Merry Christmas, I guess. Happy Thanksgiving everyone but but but but, never mind, god speed. Seriously. Maybe. Depends. Do you like olives?
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The repubs are the only ones playing games since this whole virus got started. Never took it seriously and lied about it from the get go. A whole lot of people are going to have a missing person at the table and shit under the tree. But the dems cancelled Christmas and but for their radical leftist ways. Maddening. Let them eat olives.
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Sorry, I didn't know he had done that.
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Im sure you’d be blaming the dems if they refused to pass a bill and hid behind, “Moscow Mitchy Baby wouldn’t pass it anyway so what’s the point?”
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Common sense is always A-OK in my book!
This is our schools struggling. So as numbers go up in an area school is untenable .
Parts of this country have 200 per 100.000.
Hull has 770 per 100,000
Madness and thats under a lockdown
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