The coronavirus

mrussel1

EdsonNascimento said:

Do you guys believe reports that 35% or more of cases were asymptomatic and undetected?

Possibly.  That means the number of US cases are astronomical.   Share the link to the reports. 

hedonist

mickeyrat said:

could go in several threads I guess  but here it is. thoughtful read....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/25/why-military-style-gear-protests-rings-hollow/

Why military-style gear at protests rings hollow
By Drew Garza
May 25 at 10:47 AM ET
Drew Garza served in the U.S. Army from 2005 to 2015. He is a Tillman scholar at George Washington University.

I took comfort in my Army uniform. Not a physical comfort, because that certainly was never synonymous with Army-issue items, but a comfort of familiarity. I suffered in that gear, and it became a part of me. Some veterans can’t wait to take off their uniform, but I didn’t want to live without mine.

I left the military in 2015 after 10 years of service that included three tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and about a dozen other deployments around the world. Initially, I was drawn to tactical clothing: military-style cargo pants, some variety of combat boot. I carried my multitool and other useful items, just like I did when I served. None of this was an attempt to convey authority or strength. It was a way to replicate the comfort of my uniform. As I transitioned to civilian life — and a difficult transition it was — wearing those clothes helped.

But slowly I moved away from that practice. I lost that comfort as I noticed the rise of “the Uniform.”

“The Uniform” is my term for the look some protesters have adopted in recent years. It is not a specific military uniform but often a mix of non-government-issue, third-party combat gear. There are usually lots of accessories and pouches; patches of varying political rancor; and flags that are rarely red, white and blue. Sometimes these outfits display a blood type, a practice meant to save lives in combat. Usually the clothes are clean, with no visible wear. Sometimes there are tactical masks or fabrics meant to evoke traditional Middle Eastern garb. And a rifle, often also heavily accessorized.

To my eye, the overall look is a caricature of a Special Operations warfighter, like those in video games.

The Uniform has become a fixture in political storms and crises. People in these outfits show up to political events, where they scream and scowl. They demand freedom as they wield assault rifles. They reject criticism as un-American. Some carry flags that are un-American. In a country where minorities are killed for mistaken perceptions, they protest in a protective ether of unrecognized privilege. They have adopted the Uniform to show a willingness to use force to protect their way of life. Thankfully, this interpretation of the appearance of strength is generally as far as things go.

At first, my discomfort with wearing tactical gear was rooted in not wanting to be associated with a particular political stance. I worried less that the look was being appropriated than I did about not wanting to explain my position to anyone either way. As many veterans can attest, the effort to do so can be exhausting and traumatic.

Now, however, I feel a different discomfort when I see the Uniform. Those wearing it are attempting to make their appearance speak for them, sometimes without the service that normally gives power to that voice. Over our nation’s history, the sacrifice and commitment of military service have made it a source of integrity and wisdom. It is meaningful when someone in uniform speaks because the uniform is also speaking. The power of that voice is such that political activities of military members in uniform are restricted. The fiber and brass of military uniforms announce the service of those wearing it; they suggest valuable insight and perspective.

Veterans know brothers and sisters who died in uniform. Tattered camouflage was often still wrapped around detached limbs. Millions of goodbyes have been said in uniform, and the uniform was the last thing that far too many family members touched. Millions of Americans have stood in uniform and watched innocent people suffer. Sometimes we could help; sometimes we were helpless. Some of us wore the same gear for weeks straight with no showers or laundry. We know the permanent coloring inflicted by months of billowing dust and sand. Uniforms get dirty — covered in hydraulic oil, mud, blood. Still, we wear them as we serve.

The military uniform has always shrouded pain. Veterans know this, and our uniforms speak because of it.

Military veterans, of course, are not gatekeepers of suffering. Many across our country are struggling. People are sick. Income inequality is rampant. Skin color and class trigger bias and discrimination. These conditions are not new, but the pandemic has exasperated them.

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Citizens have every right to be angry at government responses that are unclear, insufficient or unwarranted. Citizens have every right to protest — to speak from their personal pain.

They don’t need gear to speak for them.

I don’t pretend to know what suffering others have experienced. When I see the Uniform engaged in protest, I understand that it is intended to convey a message. But this appearance, reappropriated in anger, rings hollow.

Good read, mickey. Thank you. 

GlowGirl

EdsonNascimento said:

Do you guys believe reports that 35% or more of cases were asymptomatic and undetected?

Apparently mine was. I felt mildly under the weather for about a week in mid March (although I did lose my sense of smell at that time for about 5 days). Did the antibody test last week out of curiosity since it was readily available in NYC. I tested positive for antibodies. So, there may be many cases like mine - where people had it at one point but didn't really know it.

Gern Blansten

MF117973 said:

g under p said:

Alright, so had anybody here had a CV19 test?

Holy crap I thought the woman was trying to massage my brain for 20 seconds. Then in midst of it she asks me, are you a Red Sox fan? I'm like you REALLY want me to answer that while you're raping my nostrils.

I'm glad that's over with, now I wait 3-6 days for the results.

Peace

I just had the antibody test on Friday and got my results today. I was positive for antibodies. I had some mild symptoms in mid March - loss of smell, pain in my back, and fatigue. Lasted about 5 days. If we hadn't had this virus, I would have just thought I was a bit under the weather. I even went to the doctors at the time for my back pain, but they didn't test me for COVID. So when the antibody test became available in NYC, I decided to take it. I guess I had it and recovered. Luckily, I have been diligent about social distancing, wearing a mask, etc. I will continue to do so until they know more about what having antibodies mean. But I am looking into donating plasma. It is weird to think I had it a few months ago and didn't know it all this time. 

crazy...

PJNB

Not sure if people are still following the numbers but here are some dailies from around the world

Portugal 30.788 confirmed cases.
+ 165 since yesterday. 0.5% growth.
1.330 deaths.
+ 14 since yesterday.
17.822 recoveries.
+ 273 since yesterday.

531 people hospitalised.
- 5 since yesterday.
72 in the ICU.
- 6 since yesterday.

Brazil as of 5/24/2020 (courtesy of https://covid.saude.gov.br/)

+15813 new confirmed cases (total 363211)
+653 new deaths (total 22666)

149911 recovered
190634 in treatment

Italy's update:
+300 new positive cases (total 230158)
+92 new deaths (total 32877)
+1502 new recoveries (total 141981)

 Netherlands:

+209 tested positive
+8 hospitalized
+8 deaths
IC: 230 (At one point was at 1.5k).

Spain numbers:
+482 cases (only PCR) (total 235772, 0,20% increase)
+74 deaths (total 28752, 0,26% increase)

France situation for today 24/05:

144921 confirmed cases + 115 in 24H
hospital:
17185 hospitalized -7 in 24 H (121 entries)
1655 in intensive care -10 in 24 H (24 entries)
18022 dead + 35 in 24 H

Care homes:
xxxx confirmed cases + xxx in 24H (not yet published 36853 3 days ago)
10345 dead +0 in 24H

Total 28367 deaths +35 in24H

NJ Daily Numbers:

+965 cases (155092 total)
+16 deaths (11144 total)

2755 are in hospitals
719 are in ICU
540 are on ventilators

brianlux

U.S. has 4.8 % of world's population, 28% of COVID-19 deaths.

Lerxst1992

brianlux said:

Mind blowing how stupid so many people are. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmMvVpyDvdI

Cities are difficult . A lot of people cramped into apartments

brianlux

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Mind blowing how stupid so many people are. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmMvVpyDvdI

Cities are difficult . A lot of people cramped into apartments

I don't live in a big city now but I have and I've spent a good deal of time in several of them.  There are ways to get away from crowds.  I've done it plenty of times.  Under the present circumstances, there is no excuse for what is illustrated by those photos.  None.

Mike D88

EdsonNascimento said:

Do you guys believe reports that 35% or more of cases were asymptomatic and undetected?

Yes - and the number is probably much higher.

There was a study recently that found potential cross-reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 in the immune systems of over half of its unexposed participants, possibly due to past exposure to other coronaviruses.

That's good news, but it's not "okay, let's reopen!" news:

-We're still nowhere near herd immunity (>80%).

-Whatever the actual IFR (fatality rate) is, we've already seen it can overwhelm municipal healthcare systems, and the death toll is horrific.

-The relationship between exposure site/viral load and severity of resulting disease is poorly understood.

-If the virus manages to reach the bloodstream through the lungs, it appears all sorts of hell can break loose.

-We only just recently learned that the virus essentially kneecaps the adaptive immune system in the early stages of the disease.

-Lingering/chronic disease has not been ruled out (the virus has been found in CSF, among other things).

brianlux

Mike D88 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Do you guys believe reports that 35% or more of cases were asymptomatic and undetected?

Yes - and the number is probably much higher.

There was a study recently that found potential cross-reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 in the immune systems of over half of its unexposed participants, possibly due to past exposure to other coronaviruses.

That's good news, but it's not "okay, let's reopen!" news:

-We're still nowhere near herd immunity (>80%).

-Whatever the actual IFR (fatality rate) is, we've already seen it can overwhelm municipal healthcare systems, and the death toll is horrific.

-The relationship between exposure site/viral load and severity of resulting disease is poorly understood.

-If the virus manages to reach the bloodstream through the lungs, it appears all sorts of hell can break loose.

-We only just recently learned that the virus essentially kneecaps the adaptive immune system in the early stages of the disease.

-Lingering/chronic disease has not been ruled out (the virus has been found in CSF, among other things).

That's good news, but it's not "okay, let's reopen!" news:

Sadly, a LOT of people don't get it!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/25/large-crowds-gather-memorial-day-us-braces-100000-deaths

Large crowds gather for Memorial Day as US braces to surpass 100,000 deaths

People packed bars and restaurants in Missouri and beaches in Georgia and Florida, while other places remained closed or followed social distancing rules

Smellyman

43 days in a row with 0 cases in Taiwan.  Since it's more than two cycles of being contagious, about as close to completely virus free as a country can get.

Yet everybody still wears a mask and people take the necessary precautions. 

I wonder if there is causation.....hmmmmmm

mace1229

MF117973 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Do you guys believe reports that 35% or more of cases were asymptomatic and undetected?

Apparently mine was. I felt mildly under the weather for about a week in mid March (although I did lose my sense of smell at that time for about 5 days). Did the antibody test last week out of curiosity since it was readily available in NYC. I tested positive for antibodies. So, there may be many cases like mine - where people had it at one point but didn't really know it.

I had a nasty cough for just about all of February. So bad it would make be throw up even. Fever came a few weeks later, went to the dr when it was over 102 at the end of February. There were only a few hundred known cases at the time and just a few in my state so they never considered testing. Don’t really care enough to get tested now. 
I would guess a lot of people whom got sick in January and February propbably had it and was thought to be the flu or common cold.
For a long time they were only testing people who had symptoms AND known contact with someone. The real numbers are bound to be much, much higher.

gimmesometruth27

brianlux said:

Mike D88 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Do you guys believe reports that 35% or more of cases were asymptomatic and undetected?

Yes - and the number is probably much higher.

There was a study recently that found potential cross-reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 in the immune systems of over half of its unexposed participants, possibly due to past exposure to other coronaviruses.

That's good news, but it's not "okay, let's reopen!" news:

-We're still nowhere near herd immunity (>80%).

-Whatever the actual IFR (fatality rate) is, we've already seen it can overwhelm municipal healthcare systems, and the death toll is horrific.

-The relationship between exposure site/viral load and severity of resulting disease is poorly understood.

-If the virus manages to reach the bloodstream through the lungs, it appears all sorts of hell can break loose.

-We only just recently learned that the virus essentially kneecaps the adaptive immune system in the early stages of the disease.

-Lingering/chronic disease has not been ruled out (the virus has been found in CSF, among other things).

That's good news, but it's not "okay, let's reopen!" news:

Sadly, a LOT of people don't get it!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/25/large-crowds-gather-memorial-day-us-braces-100000-deaths

Large crowds gather for Memorial Day as US braces to surpass 100,000 deaths

People packed bars and restaurants in Missouri and beaches in Georgia and Florida, while other places remained closed or followed social distancing rules

i apologize on behalf of the dumbass missourians that went to lake of the ozarks this weekend. we all knew that was coming, but we hoped intelligence would prevail. it didn't...

Smellyman

gimmesometruth27 said:

brianlux said:

Mike D88 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Do you guys believe reports that 35% or more of cases were asymptomatic and undetected?

Yes - and the number is probably much higher.

There was a study recently that found potential cross-reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 in the immune systems of over half of its unexposed participants, possibly due to past exposure to other coronaviruses.

That's good news, but it's not "okay, let's reopen!" news:

-We're still nowhere near herd immunity (>80%).

-Whatever the actual IFR (fatality rate) is, we've already seen it can overwhelm municipal healthcare systems, and the death toll is horrific.

-The relationship between exposure site/viral load and severity of resulting disease is poorly understood.

-If the virus manages to reach the bloodstream through the lungs, it appears all sorts of hell can break loose.

-We only just recently learned that the virus essentially kneecaps the adaptive immune system in the early stages of the disease.

-Lingering/chronic disease has not been ruled out (the virus has been found in CSF, among other things).

That's good news, but it's not "okay, let's reopen!" news:

Sadly, a LOT of people don't get it!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/25/large-crowds-gather-memorial-day-us-braces-100000-deaths

Large crowds gather for Memorial Day as US braces to surpass 100,000 deaths

People packed bars and restaurants in Missouri and beaches in Georgia and Florida, while other places remained closed or followed social distancing rules

i apologize on behalf of the dumbass missourians that went to lake of the ozarks this weekend. we all knew that was coming, but we hoped intelligence would prevail. it didn't...

I only know that area from the tv show and so intelligence was never going to prevail. 

brianlux

gimmesometruth27 said:

brianlux said:

Mike D88 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Do you guys believe reports that 35% or more of cases were asymptomatic and undetected?

Yes - and the number is probably much higher.

There was a study recently that found potential cross-reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 in the immune systems of over half of its unexposed participants, possibly due to past exposure to other coronaviruses.

That's good news, but it's not "okay, let's reopen!" news:

-We're still nowhere near herd immunity (>80%).

-Whatever the actual IFR (fatality rate) is, we've already seen it can overwhelm municipal healthcare systems, and the death toll is horrific.

-The relationship between exposure site/viral load and severity of resulting disease is poorly understood.

-If the virus manages to reach the bloodstream through the lungs, it appears all sorts of hell can break loose.

-We only just recently learned that the virus essentially kneecaps the adaptive immune system in the early stages of the disease.

-Lingering/chronic disease has not been ruled out (the virus has been found in CSF, among other things).

That's good news, but it's not "okay, let's reopen!" news:

Sadly, a LOT of people don't get it!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/25/large-crowds-gather-memorial-day-us-braces-100000-deaths

Large crowds gather for Memorial Day as US braces to surpass 100,000 deaths

People packed bars and restaurants in Missouri and beaches in Georgia and Florida, while other places remained closed or followed social distancing rules

i apologize on behalf of the dumbass missourians that went to lake of the ozarks this weekend. we all knew that was coming, but we hoped intelligence would prevail. it didn't...

I get it, man.  Intelligence was scarce in parts of California as well, especially our beach areas and some parks.  

23scidoo

Back to work after 72 days..

mcgruff10

23scidoo said:

Back to work after 72 days..

You work at a restaurant correct?  Are you allowed to have 100% capacity or are there restrictions?

cblock4life

Since wearing a mask protects other people does anyone consider it a threat from people who don’t?  

Thanks to the majority of PJ fans for sharing similar opinions that include empathy, etc.  It’s easy to feel like you’re crazy for following the rules when you’re surrounded by so many who don’t.  The forum seems to be the only place I can go right now to feel that anyone agrees with me (besides my husband, children). Does that make sense, do you feel like that as well? I didn’t want to make these questions a poll, just wondering how many other people find this forum as one of the only calming places still left....

mickeyrat

mfc2006

gimmesometruth27 said:

brianlux said:

Mike D88 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Do you guys believe reports that 35% or more of cases were asymptomatic and undetected?

Yes - and the number is probably much higher.

There was a study recently that found potential cross-reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 in the immune systems of over half of its unexposed participants, possibly due to past exposure to other coronaviruses.

That's good news, but it's not "okay, let's reopen!" news:

-We're still nowhere near herd immunity (>80%).

-Whatever the actual IFR (fatality rate) is, we've already seen it can overwhelm municipal healthcare systems, and the death toll is horrific.

-The relationship between exposure site/viral load and severity of resulting disease is poorly understood.

-If the virus manages to reach the bloodstream through the lungs, it appears all sorts of hell can break loose.

-We only just recently learned that the virus essentially kneecaps the adaptive immune system in the early stages of the disease.

-Lingering/chronic disease has not been ruled out (the virus has been found in CSF, among other things).

That's good news, but it's not "okay, let's reopen!" news:

Sadly, a LOT of people don't get it!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/25/large-crowds-gather-memorial-day-us-braces-100000-deaths

Large crowds gather for Memorial Day as US braces to surpass 100,000 deaths

People packed bars and restaurants in Missouri and beaches in Georgia and Florida, while other places remained closed or followed social distancing rules

i apologize on behalf of the dumbass missourians that went to lake of the ozarks this weekend. we all knew that was coming, but we hoped intelligence would prevail. it didn't...

Unreal.