The coronavirus
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30%-80%? That's a pretty wide range there.Spiritual_Chaos said:*** GIESECKE UPDATE ***
- We should have been through the apex in Stockholm already, numbers are gonna start to fall. But will rise up a bit more in the rest of the country. Could be that the numbers these last days are just a "statistically coincidence" but he doesn't think so.
- Restrictions will be removed one by one. Not all at once.
- Between 30-80 % do not feel symptoms of the disease. But they are not as likely to infect others. Stay home when feeling symptoms is still the number 1 way to stop spread.
- Hard to stop infection spreading at retirement homes. Experts in Sweden have been too optimistic about that it would not reach them.
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Host: The Public Health Authority went out today with information that as many as 9 out of 10 might be sick but not feel symptoms at all. That seems like a very high number?bbiggs said:
30%-80%? That's a pretty wide range there.Spiritual_Chaos said:*** GIESECKE UPDATE ***
- We should have been through the apex in Stockholm already, numbers are gonna start to fall. But will rise up a bit more in the rest of the country. Could be that the numbers these last days are just a "statistically coincidence" but he doesn't think so.
- Restrictions will be removed one by one. Not all at once.
- Between 30-80 % do not feel symptoms of the disease. But they are not as likely to infect others. Stay home when feeling symptoms is still the number 1 way to stop spread.
- Hard to stop infection spreading at retirement homes. Experts in Sweden have been too optimistic about that it would not reach them.
Giesecke: I question if it is that high. But somewhere between 30-80 % are sick but do not feel symptoms. That we know.
Host: 30 to 80? That's quite the range there.
Giesecke: Yes. It's not so easy to study this. Because the tests to see if someone has had the disease but now are healthy and immune, they are not fully developed yet. They have just been starting to be used.
Host: But then I must ask, what does it matter to stay home if anyone can have it?
Giesecke: One should not exaggerate the possibility of infecting without feeling symptoms. It is probably rare. Or rather very rare. It's the ones with symptoms who really infect others.
Host: So, one is less infectious if one doesn't have symptoms?
Giesecke: Yes, very likely. The amount of virus you exude if if you are sick is much higher if you have symptoms.
Host: But one can infect others even if you do not feel sick yet?
Giesecke: There are cases. But there is no point in getting caught up in that. It is rare - and it is not what is driving this pandemic.
Host: But we are interpreting all these signals from all of you experts, isn't this what you are saying?
Giesecke: *Short laugh* Yes...
Host: So, we shouldn't listen so much?
Giesecke: It is rare. Very rare.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
^ Interesting exchange. Nailing down percentages with so many unknown variables is impossible, so his response to the host makes sense. Those percentages should become much tighter in the near future with the ability for everyone to test easily and quickly, as long as accurate reporting and tracking follows up the testing. So much data to compile with this virus.
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gimmesometruth27 said:
thanks man.brianlux said:gimmesometruth27 said:
sorry to hear about your wife's friend.brianlux said:gimmesometruth27 said:just found out that 2 guys i played high school football with have covid. both are hospitalized, one is on a ventillator. another friend lost his mom in michigan 2 days ago.
i think every one of us are going to know multiple people directly impacted by this bug. it is so sad.
We learned that our vice mayor (I didn't know there was such a thing until now) who my wife has known through her business for many years, now has the virus. We are told California will not peak until mid to late May, so I'm sure more people we know will have it. Scares the shit out of me because... well, you know...
hopefully you are all staying save out your way.
So far, so good, my friend. And my best to your friends. I hope they pull through OK. And I'm very sorry to hear about the loss of your friend's mom. Very sad news.
what i have noticed about a lot of people my age, our parents, born in the late 40s or early 50s, are having a hard time grasping the seriousness of the situation. they do not seem to grasp how important it is to stay home or social distance. my folks have been retired 10-15 years and are used to doing whatever they want whenever they want. the other day i had to tell them to stay the hell at home and that this is one of the times where they do not know better than i do. i have been having that conversation with so many friends the last couple of weeks.
I'm sorry to hear that. Most of the people I know my age are staying home. I have only gone out for a few walks when I know I can do so without getting near anyone. Unfortunately, my wife has had to go out twice to apply for the small business loan because they screwed up the process the first time and because both times she had to take the application to her business partner to sign it and then take it to the bank. Thankfully, she is ultra careful when going out then sanitizes everything that comes back with bleach or isopropyl alcohol (which is running low) throws the clothes in the washer, etc. This damn virus is so persistent and I worry a lot. I feel like I'm having years shaved off my life from worry even if the damn thing itself doesn't get me.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Take it easy, Bri!
Here are more BC updates from https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/safety/emergency-preparedness-response-recovery/covid-19-provincial-support/self-isolation-on-returnStarting April 10, 2020, provincial government officials will review self-isolation plans at key points of entry.
Airports
- Vancouver International Airport (YVR)
Land Border Crossings
- Peace Arch (Douglas)
- Pacific
- Boundary Bay
- Osoyoos
- If you do not have an adequate self-isolation plan, you will be escorted to a federal quarantine accommodation where you can safely complete your 14-day self-isolation
During your 14-day period of isolation, you must:
- Undergo any health assessments that a quarantine officer requires
- Monitor your signs and symptoms
- Report to the public health authority specified by a screening officer or quarantine officer if you require additional medical care
I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef
Animals were hiding behind the Coral
Except for little Turtle
I could swear he's trying to talk to me
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tish said:Take it easy, Bri!
Here are more BC updates from https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/safety/emergency-preparedness-response-recovery/covid-19-provincial-support/self-isolation-on-returnStarting April 10, 2020, provincial government officials will review self-isolation plans at key points of entry.
Airports
- Vancouver International Airport (YVR)
Land Border Crossings
- Peace Arch (Douglas)
- Pacific
- Boundary Bay
- Osoyoos
- If you do not have an adequate self-isolation plan, you will be escorted to a federal quarantine accommodation where you can safely complete your 14-day self-isolation
During your 14-day period of isolation, you must:
- Undergo any health assessments that a quarantine officer requires
- Monitor your signs and symptoms
- Report to the public health authority specified by a screening officer or quarantine officer if you require additional medical care
Thanks, Tish!I really shouldn't complain. I know there are many folks who are dealing with much worse than we are. We're still relatively healthy and have enough to get by on.Best wishes to you all out there. Stay safe!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
It's okay to express our fears. My daughter has a genetic father only. So, I too have been extra careful as her sole caregiver. Like your wife, I had two public outings in the last few weeks when I brought home a new puppy. I wore an N95 mask both days. At present, we may not be in the thick of it Brian but we are all in this together!
I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef
Animals were hiding behind the Coral
Except for little Turtle
I could swear he's trying to talk to me
Gurgle Gurgle0 -
For those needing some at-home entertainment:
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Trump: It's the WHOs fault so we are going to stop funding. A very powerful stop.later:Reporter: Is now a good time to cut funding at what is the timetable?Trump: I never said I was cutting funding.Reporters face palming: You just did!0
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- Half of us are going to come out of this quarantine as amazing cooks. The other half will come out with a drinking problem.
- I used to spin that toilet paper like I was on Wheel of Fortune. Now I turn it like I'm cracking a safe.
- I need to practice social-distancing from the refrigerator.
- Still haven't decided where to go for Easter ----- The Living Room or The Bedroom
- PSA: every few days try your jeans on just to make sure they fit. Pajamas will have you believe all is well in the kingdom.
- Homeschooling is going well. 2 students suspended for fighting and 1 teacher fired for drinking on the job.
- I don't think anyone expected that when we changed the clocks we'd go from Standard Time to the Twilight Zone
- This morning I saw a neighbor talking to her cat. It was obvious she thought her cat understood her. I came into my house, told my dog..... we laughed a lot.
- So, after this quarantine.....will the producers of My 600 Pound Life just find me or do I find them?
- Quarantine Day 5: Went to this restaurant called THE KITCHEN. You have to gather all the ingredients and make your own meal. I have no clue how this place is still in business.
- My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
- Day 5 of Homeschooling: One of these little monsters called in a bomb threat.
- I'm so excited --- it's time to take out the garbage. What should I wear?
- Classified Ad: Single man with toilet paper seeks woman with hand sanitizer for good clean fun.
- Day 6 of Homeschooling: My child just said "I hope I don't have the same teacher next year".... I'm offended.
- Better 6 feet apart than 6 feet under
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I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef
Animals were hiding behind the Coral
Except for little Turtle
I could swear he's trying to talk to me
Gurgle Gurgle0 -
cutz said:
- Half of us are going to come out of this quarantine as amazing cooks. The other half will come out with a drinking problem.
- I used to spin that toilet paper like I was on Wheel of Fortune. Now I turn it like I'm cracking a safe.
- I need to practice social-distancing from the refrigerator.
- Still haven't decided where to go for Easter ----- The Living Room or The Bedroom
- PSA: every few days try your jeans on just to make sure they fit. Pajamas will have you believe all is well in the kingdom.
- Homeschooling is going well. 2 students suspended for fighting and 1 teacher fired for drinking on the job.
- I don't think anyone expected that when we changed the clocks we'd go from Standard Time to the Twilight Zone
- This morning I saw a neighbor talking to her cat. It was obvious she thought her cat understood her. I came into my house, told my dog..... we laughed a lot.
- So, after this quarantine.....will the producers of My 600 Pound Life just find me or do I find them?
- Quarantine Day 5: Went to this restaurant called THE KITCHEN. You have to gather all the ingredients and make your own meal. I have no clue how this place is still in business.
- My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
- Day 5 of Homeschooling: One of these little monsters called in a bomb threat.
- I'm so excited --- it's time to take out the garbage. What should I wear?
- Classified Ad: Single man with toilet paper seeks woman with hand sanitizer for good clean fun.
- Day 6 of Homeschooling: My child just said "I hope I don't have the same teacher next year".... I'm offended.
- Better 6 feet apart than 6 feet under
Haha! Good one, cutz! Humor is a good thing these day!
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
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We could have had Hillary
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Why is denmark there and not Norway?CM189191 said:
We could have had Hillary
Kamala 2024
And putting in Iceland is a bit of a cheat.
And by the token of you could have had Hillary, you also could have had Bernie which is Finlands PMs fav. And she seems to have a good head on her shoulders, by your own token.
SANDERS 2024Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Sanders has zero chance in 2024. I'm hoping he can still dress himself at that point and enjoy retirement.The love he receives is the love that is saved0
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i saw that new unemployment claims are at 6.6 million. trump has the best numbers."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Hehe. Yes ofcF Me In The Brain said:Sanders has zero chance in 2024. I'm hoping he can still dress himself at that point and enjoy retirement."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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