***Spring 2020 Lottery Results***

BennyLaRue

CPR7 said:

CPR7 said:

#1 - Hamilton BA - Confirmed at 9:27pm EST
#2 - Toronto BA - Confirmed at 11:27pm EST

Exactly 2 hours apart!

Mine were also exactly two hours apart. Maybe it's not as manual as previously thought.

PJammin

Lerxst1992 said:

jamesbrown1832 said:

Anyone who thinks they go the shaft on TOR or HAM with first or second priority BA or RS care to post shot of their entry confirmation email? As someone who won with TOR as my 3rd priority, I don't believe you folks could have rightly lost. Perhaps GA was selected inadvertently? Or picks didn't actually go in, or CC issues, or actually only entered the VF thing, or requested tickets to the Bubble Guppies.  Kidding aside, it'd really like to know how that happened (as I'm sure more importantly you are).  

No it looks exactly how I filled it out. When we made our picks it was a single line item BA (IIRC)

When we got the email BA was split into GA and RES

Only thing that makes sense is their program isn't reading row 2 of the BA selections and significantly understated the odds



Check it out here https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/283192/shut-out-once-again-ten-club-i-would-like-an-explanation/p3

Now this is where we might be on to something. And this could be the reason the Reserved odds also remained as high as they did.

pjl44

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

pjsteelerfan said:

Maybe picking "best available" is actually the worst option than trying for just GA or just reserved?

On one hand you have 2 people with weird circumstances. On the other hand, you have dozens and dozens and dozens of people reporting results that are exactly what you'd expect. You're welcome to enter a lottery however you want, but I think you're overreacting.

It looks to not be an overreaction.  At least 2 fans got denied for BA for 2 shows at 99%.

That's four total rejections at minimum. With 99% odds that should be impossible 

When we made our BA selections it was ONE line item. 

When we got our email, the one selection was split into 2, GA & BA.

It's possible the computer picked only on the GA and not the BA

We need to hear from our beloved 10c overlords asap

2 people vs everyone else. Unless we get additional info, the most likely scenario is some issue on their end.

Look at the pages and pages of people who chose BA and got selected. Why in the world would you hone in on that as the problem?

When you selected BA, it auto-filled GA and Res. The reverse worked too - if you selected both GA and Res, it auto-filled BA. Why must you constantly be on a mission to find something to get worked up about?

on2legs

ecdanc said:

on2legs said:

ecdanc said:

RP123663 said:

ecdanc said:

RP123663 said:

ecdanc said:

chitownp76 said:

If they go this route on the fall leg, they should charge $1.00 more to the Vitalogy Foundation for GA tix, and then people who select BA will know whether or not they won RA or RES when they look at their credit card charge

But doesn't it seem like they don't WANT you to know? Why else would the email not include the information?

I think they just haven't gone thru the seat assignment stage yet.  They had X amount of 10C tickets available.  Let's say 10,000 total seats.  They drew those first.  Notified people that they were going to the show.  Then the next step (after all lotteries are complete) is to assign seats based on 10C seniority.  I'm sure they could have notified those who won GA, since there are no seat assignments, but I think its fine that everyone finds out together. 

I personally put in for best available and I am fine with whatever I get.  We will all know by the end of the month.  7 full weeks before the shows start.  Not sure why it's so urgent for some.

Then why not do it? I understand, you think it's fine; others don't. It appears a conscious choice, though, which raises the question: why?

If you have been notified that you got tickets, why does it matter NOW if its GA or RES?   Make your plans and in 10 days, you will know where your tickets are.  Not sure I understand the drama.  Everyone will find out at the same time.  Seems fair to me.  I already know I am going to Hamilton.  I do not know if I will be in GA or in a seat.  I'll find out in a week and a half.  I knew the rules before I entered.  I am good with it.  

No, you didn't know the rules, because this wasn't in the rules. FFS. 

Yes it was. 

Jesus fucking christ, are we going to have this conversation again? You're wrong. Read this entire thread to see why. 

I read the rules. No need to reread the thread.  .  Have a great day. 

mikesbri

Thanks 10C/PJ..looking forward to the road trip
1. Toronto BA
2. Hamilton BA
3. Quebec BA
4. Ottawa BA

mcgruff10

Once Toronto was done why didn’t the ticket draw for the next show auotomatically start?  Did the computer need a rest?

LaFleur

PJammin said:

jamesbrown1832 said:

Anyone who thinks they go the shaft on TOR or HAM with first or second priority BA or RS care to post shot of their entry confirmation email? As someone who won with TOR as my 3rd priority, I don't believe you folks could have rightly lost. Perhaps GA was selected inadvertently? Or picks didn't actually go in, or CC issues, or actually only entered the VF thing, or requested tickets to the Bubble Guppies.  Kidding aside, it'd really like to know how that happened (as I'm sure more importantly you would).  

Check the other thread titled "10 Club i'd like an explanation". User posted a screen shot showing they picked BA for Toronto Show and Hamilton show and was denied both shows. It's all there and makes no sense at all. 

I still think there's got to be something else wrong with those entries. The screen shot from the other thread still showed 99% for GA...so obviously entered early, perhaps picks were changed somehow....not accusing anyone of anything; I just don't believe there is some conspiracy or system error that screwed people.   

pjl44

mcgruff10 said:

Once Toronto was done why didn’t the ticket draw for the next show auotomatically start?  Did the computer need a rest?

on2legs

mcgruff10 said:

Once Toronto was done why didn’t the ticket draw for the next show auotomatically start?  Did the computer need a rest?

That’s a good point. Perhaps there is some human oversight to the process.  

pjsteelerfan

mcgruff10 said:

Once Toronto was done why didn’t the ticket draw for the next show auotomatically start?  Did the computer need a rest?

Maybe 10c is also manually checking to make sure people are not working the system as they go? 

ecdanc

on2legs said:

ecdanc said:

on2legs said:

ecdanc said:

RP123663 said:

ecdanc said:

RP123663 said:

ecdanc said:

chitownp76 said:

If they go this route on the fall leg, they should charge $1.00 more to the Vitalogy Foundation for GA tix, and then people who select BA will know whether or not they won RA or RES when they look at their credit card charge

But doesn't it seem like they don't WANT you to know? Why else would the email not include the information?

I think they just haven't gone thru the seat assignment stage yet.  They had X amount of 10C tickets available.  Let's say 10,000 total seats.  They drew those first.  Notified people that they were going to the show.  Then the next step (after all lotteries are complete) is to assign seats based on 10C seniority.  I'm sure they could have notified those who won GA, since there are no seat assignments, but I think its fine that everyone finds out together. 

I personally put in for best available and I am fine with whatever I get.  We will all know by the end of the month.  7 full weeks before the shows start.  Not sure why it's so urgent for some.

Then why not do it? I understand, you think it's fine; others don't. It appears a conscious choice, though, which raises the question: why?

If you have been notified that you got tickets, why does it matter NOW if its GA or RES?   Make your plans and in 10 days, you will know where your tickets are.  Not sure I understand the drama.  Everyone will find out at the same time.  Seems fair to me.  I already know I am going to Hamilton.  I do not know if I will be in GA or in a seat.  I'll find out in a week and a half.  I knew the rules before I entered.  I am good with it.  

No, you didn't know the rules, because this wasn't in the rules. FFS. 

Yes it was. 

Jesus fucking christ, are we going to have this conversation again? You're wrong. Read this entire thread to see why. 

I read the rules. No need to reread the thread.  .  Have a great day. 

If you read the thread as well as you read the rules, it wouldn't matter anyway.  

jmug23

mcgruff10 said:

Once Toronto was done why didn’t the ticket draw for the next show auotomatically start?  Did the computer need a rest?

Funny, I was thinking the same thing. They are probably unionized, so TM probably doesn’t want to pay OT. 

pursuedbybear

Possibly a dumb question, but I don't see the answer in the pre-sale policies. I see people here posting their 10c number when discussing their lottery results, but 10c seniority doesn't have anything to do with the lottery, does it? Only where your seats are in reserved? Thanks in advance.

euchrid

Lerxst1992 said:

jamesbrown1832 said:

Anyone who thinks they go the shaft on TOR or HAM with first or second priority BA or RS care to post shot of their entry confirmation email? As someone who won with TOR as my 3rd priority, I don't believe you folks could have rightly lost. Perhaps GA was selected inadvertently? Or picks didn't actually go in, or CC issues, or actually only entered the VF thing, or requested tickets to the Bubble Guppies.  Kidding aside, it'd really like to know how that happened (as I'm sure more importantly you are).  

No it looks exactly how I filled it out. When we made our picks it was a single line item BA (IIRC)

When we got the email BA was split into GA and RES

Only thing that makes sense is their program isn't reading row 2 of the BA selections and significantly understated the odds



Check it out here https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/283192/shut-out-once-again-ten-club-i-would-like-an-explanation/p3

You only saw one line on your checkout? My checkout, confirmation screen and following email all had them split out.

TamaDrummer91

Noticed today the generic Ticketmaster site somehow only has my first name listed in account details, no last name. I called the TM 10c lottery phone number. They said the receipt/entry had my first and last name attached, same name as my 10c membership name. I put in Nash, Balt, and St Louis. Hopefully that generic TM account without last name has no impact on the TM 10C entry and 10c membership name. The representative  confirmed my name on the entry so that helps ease the worry lol

Poncier

ecdanc said:

RP123663 said:

ecdanc said:

RP123663 said:

ecdanc said:

chitownp76 said:

If they go this route on the fall leg, they should charge $1.00 more to the Vitalogy Foundation for GA tix, and then people who select BA will know whether or not they won RA or RES when they look at their credit card charge

But doesn't it seem like they don't WANT you to know? Why else would the email not include the information?

I think they just haven't gone thru the seat assignment stage yet.  They had X amount of 10C tickets available.  Let's say 10,000 total seats.  They drew those first.  Notified people that they were going to the show.  Then the next step (after all lotteries are complete) is to assign seats based on 10C seniority.  I'm sure they could have notified those who won GA, since there are no seat assignments, but I think its fine that everyone finds out together. 

I personally put in for best available and I am fine with whatever I get.  We will all know by the end of the month.  7 full weeks before the shows start.  Not sure why it's so urgent for some.

Then why not do it? I understand, you think it's fine; others don't. It appears a conscious choice, though, which raises the question: why?

If you have been notified that you got tickets, why does it matter NOW if its GA or RES?   Make your plans and in 10 days, you will know where your tickets are.  Not sure I understand the drama.  Everyone will find out at the same time.  Seems fair to me.  I already know I am going to Hamilton.  I do not know if I will be in GA or in a seat.  I'll find out in a week and a half.  I knew the rules before I entered.  I am good with it.  

No, you didn't know the rules, because this wasn't in the rules. FFS. 

Its in the rules, you just have a different interpretation of the term "seat location" than most, including the person who wrote the rules.

mpedone

pursuedbybear said:

Possibly a dumb question, but I don't see the answer in the pre-sale policies. I see people here posting their 10c number when discussing their lottery results, but 10c seniority doesn't have anything to do with the lottery, does it? Only where your seats are in reserved? Thanks in advance.

You are correct. The lottery is random. Seat location is seniority-based.

ecdanc

Poncier said:

ecdanc said:

RP123663 said:

ecdanc said:

RP123663 said:

ecdanc said:

chitownp76 said:

If they go this route on the fall leg, they should charge $1.00 more to the Vitalogy Foundation for GA tix, and then people who select BA will know whether or not they won RA or RES when they look at their credit card charge

But doesn't it seem like they don't WANT you to know? Why else would the email not include the information?

I think they just haven't gone thru the seat assignment stage yet.  They had X amount of 10C tickets available.  Let's say 10,000 total seats.  They drew those first.  Notified people that they were going to the show.  Then the next step (after all lotteries are complete) is to assign seats based on 10C seniority.  I'm sure they could have notified those who won GA, since there are no seat assignments, but I think its fine that everyone finds out together. 

I personally put in for best available and I am fine with whatever I get.  We will all know by the end of the month.  7 full weeks before the shows start.  Not sure why it's so urgent for some.

Then why not do it? I understand, you think it's fine; others don't. It appears a conscious choice, though, which raises the question: why?

If you have been notified that you got tickets, why does it matter NOW if its GA or RES?   Make your plans and in 10 days, you will know where your tickets are.  Not sure I understand the drama.  Everyone will find out at the same time.  Seems fair to me.  I already know I am going to Hamilton.  I do not know if I will be in GA or in a seat.  I'll find out in a week and a half.  I knew the rules before I entered.  I am good with it.  

No, you didn't know the rules, because this wasn't in the rules. FFS. 

Its in the rules, you just have a different interpretation of the term "seat location" than most, including the person who wrote the rules.

Dear lord. I read "seat" based on the way they use "seat" throughout the entire document. 

Doogie_711

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

pjsteelerfan said:

Maybe picking "best available" is actually the worst option than trying for just GA or just reserved?

On one hand you have 2 people with weird circumstances. On the other hand, you have dozens and dozens and dozens of people reporting results that are exactly what you'd expect. You're welcome to enter a lottery however you want, but I think you're overreacting.

It looks to not be an overreaction.  At least 2 fans got denied for BA for 2 shows at 99%.

That's four total rejections at minimum. With 99% odds that should be impossible 

When we made our BA selections it was ONE line item. 

When we got our email, the one selection was split into 2, GA & BA.

It's possible the computer picked only on the GA and not the BA

We need to hear from our beloved 10c overlords asap

With 99% odds there could be over 100 rejections per show assuming 10,000 seats went to the 10c. 

Poncier

ecdanc said:

Poncier said:

ecdanc said:

RP123663 said:

ecdanc said:

RP123663 said:

ecdanc said:

chitownp76 said:

If they go this route on the fall leg, they should charge $1.00 more to the Vitalogy Foundation for GA tix, and then people who select BA will know whether or not they won RA or RES when they look at their credit card charge

But doesn't it seem like they don't WANT you to know? Why else would the email not include the information?

I think they just haven't gone thru the seat assignment stage yet.  They had X amount of 10C tickets available.  Let's say 10,000 total seats.  They drew those first.  Notified people that they were going to the show.  Then the next step (after all lotteries are complete) is to assign seats based on 10C seniority.  I'm sure they could have notified those who won GA, since there are no seat assignments, but I think its fine that everyone finds out together. 

I personally put in for best available and I am fine with whatever I get.  We will all know by the end of the month.  7 full weeks before the shows start.  Not sure why it's so urgent for some.

Then why not do it? I understand, you think it's fine; others don't. It appears a conscious choice, though, which raises the question: why?

If you have been notified that you got tickets, why does it matter NOW if its GA or RES?   Make your plans and in 10 days, you will know where your tickets are.  Not sure I understand the drama.  Everyone will find out at the same time.  Seems fair to me.  I already know I am going to Hamilton.  I do not know if I will be in GA or in a seat.  I'll find out in a week and a half.  I knew the rules before I entered.  I am good with it.  

No, you didn't know the rules, because this wasn't in the rules. FFS. 

Its in the rules, you just have a different interpretation of the term "seat location" than most, including the person who wrote the rules.

Dear lord. I read "seat" based on the way they use "seat" throughout the entire document. 

Adding the word "location" could be the difference.