Accommodations for those without smartphones?

High Fidelity 2000

lexicondevil said:

Kel Varnsen said:

What is kind of funny is that the email even states how if you have a disability they will provide special seating to accommodate you. But what if your disability prevents you from using a smartphone. Will there be special tickets to accommodate you.

To be honest a lot of times I kind of think that the steps taken to prevent scalping are kind of extreme. Especially when the two easiest ways to actually cut down on scalping would be to raise prices to what the market will bear or to play more shows.

Yeah, I really wish they would raise ticket prices, since they aren't high enough...

They got that ticket prices raised thing down at least... $120 or whatever, people in the nosebleeds are gonna pay that too.

aspoonfulweighsaton

I'm just hoping there's no issues using the same smartphone for two accounts. My buddy doesn't have one so both my pair and his pair will be sent to my phone. I can't imagine that will be a problem since it's two different profiles but it sounds like they are looking for ways to make it more difficult than it could be. 

BF25394

ForceofNature101 said:

PB11041 said:

It is a fair question and no one should be forced to have a smartphone in order get the opportunity to fanclub tickets. 

You can:

1.  Go with someone who has a smartphone
2.  Borrow an old phone from a family member or friend for the day
3.  Borrow/use an iPod touch that is also wifi compatible

Unfortunate as it may be for those who don't have smartphones, these three options would be quite easy to pull together in the months leading up to these dates if need be and definitely doable

None of these solutions is necessarily as easy as you think it is.  Not everyone has someone available to make the ticket purchase for them and go to the show with them.  Not everyone has old phones lying around, let alone ones that are still activated.  Many people are unwilling or unable to give away their phones for an evening or more.

Twenty percent of Americans do not have smartphones.  It's not a small minority; it's tens of millions of people.  Venues already make accommodations for shows and for sports events that are otherwise Mobile Entry for this reason.  Hopefully, a similar accommodation will be made here.  It would be ironic for a band that offers an "analog" fan club membership and which has fetishized obsolete technology (vinyl records and typewriters) not to do so.

Regardless, the purpose of this thread was to provide an opportunity for the Ten Club to address this question.  Tips from other fan club members are appreciated but beside the point.

biz999

well, this is a bummer. I purposefully don't have a cellphone, let alone a smartphone.

jazzbo26

I would hazard a guess that the majority of the 20 percent that don’t have smartphones, don’t have a cellphone at all.

kramer73

Kel Varnsen said:

What is kind of funny is that the email even states how if you have a disability they will provide special seating to accommodate you. But what if your disability prevents you from using a smartphone. Will there be special tickets to accommodate you.

To be honest a lot of times I kind of think that the steps taken to prevent scalping are kind of extreme. Especially when the two easiest ways to actually cut down on scalping would be to raise prices to what the market will bear or to play more shows.

If they raise prices, doesn't that just raise the scalpers price?  

Zod

PB11041 said:

It is a fair question and no one should be forced to have a smartphone in order get the opportunity to fanclub tickets. 

The counter argument is that there's only one alternative for people that don't have smartphones.  Hard copies.   This creates a loophole where people can claim to not have a smartphone to get physical tickets they can sell.

On the flipside the big loophole of the 2018 tour was screenshots.  Nothing on the tickets were animated.  Thus you could easily swap/trade/sell tickets once you had the digital copies.

BF25394

No, only four percent of Americans do not have a cell phone.

True story-- At the end of December, I had to replace my phone.  As I bought a new basic phone (i.e., non-smart phone), the Verizon sales rep told me, "You'd be surprised.  I sell at least one of these basic phones every day."  Of course, I was not surprised since I was, you know, buying a basic phone from him right then and there.  I thought, "People who don't use smartphones shouldn't be surprised to learn that there are people who don't use smartphones."

I meet people all the time who don't have smartphones.  There are some very famous and successful people who don't have smartphones.  Warren Buffett, Daniel Day-Lewis and Rihanna, to name three very demographically distinct but similarly successful individuals.  There are others.

"P-R-I-V-A-C-Y, it's priceless to me..."  I can't remember who said that...

jazzbo26

I stand corrected, apologies.

Brisk.

You can spend $120 on a ticket + travelling but not $20 on a smart phone?

pjl44

kramer73 said:

Kel Varnsen said:

What is kind of funny is that the email even states how if you have a disability they will provide special seating to accommodate you. But what if your disability prevents you from using a smartphone. Will there be special tickets to accommodate you.

To be honest a lot of times I kind of think that the steps taken to prevent scalping are kind of extreme. Especially when the two easiest ways to actually cut down on scalping would be to raise prices to what the market will bear or to play more shows.

If they raise prices, doesn't that just raise the scalpers price?  

There's a ceiling to what people will pay for any given ticket. Raising prices will, at worst, squeeze scalpers' margins. Not that I don't appreciate their keeping prices relatively reasonable. 

dmbolp

Bring your phone from home, enter your code directly on the keypad

PB11041

i am a target said:

PB11041 said:

It is a fair question and no one should be forced to have a smartphone in order get the opportunity to fanclub tickets. 

No one is forcing anyone to do anything. The Ten Club laid out the parameters for how they're going to address the issue of scalping and if that's a burden then I guess people can figure it out.

So firstly, it is no skin off my back, because it is a luxury I can afford.  So I will say it again, no paying member of the TC should be required to own a Smart Phone in order to go to a concert, there are fans of this band who getting to a single show will be a financial burden on.  Not everyone can just have an iphone.  It is reasonable for them not to be shut out.  And I can guarantee you this, there is already a loophole that ticketmaster guy already exposed on his call during sirius today.  I will leave it at that.

PB11041

Zod said:

PB11041 said:

It is a fair question and no one should be forced to have a smartphone in order get the opportunity to fanclub tickets. 

The counter argument is that there's only one alternative for people that don't have smartphones.  Hard copies.   This creates a loophole where people can claim to not have a smartphone to get physical tickets they can sell.

On the flipside the big loophole of the 2018 tour was screenshots.  Nothing on the tickets were animated.  Thus you could easily swap/trade/sell tickets once you had the digital copies.

2018 fenway was insane the ushers were telling people to take screen shots and then by 20 minutes into the show fights were erupting in my section because assholes who did not have field tickets were on the field.  Ticketmaster guy just basically confirmed that once in the venue, all bets are off.

ForceofNature101

BF25394 said:

ForceofNature101 said:

PB11041 said:

It is a fair question and no one should be forced to have a smartphone in order get the opportunity to fanclub tickets. 

You can:

1.  Go with someone who has a smartphone
2.  Borrow an old phone from a family member or friend for the day
3.  Borrow/use an iPod touch that is also wifi compatible

Unfortunate as it may be for those who don't have smartphones, these three options would be quite easy to pull together in the months leading up to these dates if need be and definitely doable

None of these solutions is necessarily as easy as you think it is.  Not everyone has someone available to make the ticket purchase for them and go to the show with them.  Not everyone has old phones lying around, let alone ones that are still activated.  Many people are unwilling or unable to give away their phones for an evening or more.

Twenty percent of Americans do not have smartphones.  It's not a small minority; it's tens of millions of people.  Venues already make accommodations for shows and for sports events that are otherwise Mobile Entry for this reason.  Hopefully, a similar accommodation will be made here.  It would be ironic for a band that offers an "analog" fan club membership and which has fetishized obsolete technology (vinyl records and typewriters) not to do so.

Regardless, the purpose of this thread was to provide an opportunity for the Ten Club to address this question.  Tips from other fan club members are appreciated but beside the point.

I get what you mean, however it is not hard at all to find one person with some sort of old phone or device that they can lend.  They don't even have to be activated, because wifi/hotspots are a thing.  I actually used my 10 year old iPod touch at a Raconteurs show to use the ticket app because I didn't feel like taking my phone to get locked up in a pouch

I just think, will all due respect, while it is worth contacting them to see if there is anything they are willing to do, there are very doable and possible other options that can make concertgoing a sure thing regardless

100 Pacer

PB11041 said:

i am a target said:

PB11041 said:

It is a fair question and no one should be forced to have a smartphone in order get the opportunity to fanclub tickets. 

No one is forcing anyone to do anything. The Ten Club laid out the parameters for how they're going to address the issue of scalping and if that's a burden then I guess people can figure it out.

So firstly, it is no skin off my back, because it is a luxury I can afford.  So I will say it again, no paying member of the TC should be required to own a Smart Phone in order to go to a concert, there are fans of this band who getting to a single show will be a financial burden on.  Not everyone can just have an iphone.  It is reasonable for them not to be shut out.  And I can guarantee you this, there is already a loophole that ticketmaster guy already exposed on his call during sirius today.  I will leave it at that.

What did he state?

ForceofNature101

PB11041 said:

i am a target said:

PB11041 said:

It is a fair question and no one should be forced to have a smartphone in order get the opportunity to fanclub tickets. 

No one is forcing anyone to do anything. The Ten Club laid out the parameters for how they're going to address the issue of scalping and if that's a burden then I guess people can figure it out.

So firstly, it is no skin off my back, because it is a luxury I can afford.  So I will say it again, no paying member of the TC should be required to own a Smart Phone in order to go to a concert, there are fans of this band who getting to a single show will be a financial burden on.  Not everyone can just have an iphone.  It is reasonable for them not to be shut out.  And I can guarantee you this, there is already a loophole that ticketmaster guy already exposed on his call during sirius today.  I will leave it at that.

I don't think they necessarily are required to own a smart phone though in order to go to a concert, no?  Maybe a bit more inconvenient however using those above options I can't imagine not being able to have a screen that can connect to venue Wifi in your hands if you take the time to plan for it in the months they have before the show

While I think it is worth contacting them to see if there are any other options, I don't see this is quite a make-or-break issue if a person is somewhat resourceful 

ForceofNature101

That being said, I do hope everyone who wants to see the shows gets to go, and hopefully is able to do so with reasonable ease. I am curious as to what the response will be on Ticketmaster/10C's part regarding this

biz999

Brisk. said:

You can spend $120 on a ticket + travelling but not $20 on a smart phone?

it's not about the money

BF25394

It's not about money.  Do you think Warren Buffett doesn't have a smartphone because he can't afford one? There are other considerations.