2020 Fall North American rumour thread

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan

Masks are going to be mandatory at Disney until at least the end of 2021

PJNB

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:

Masks are going to be mandatory at Disney until at least the end of 2021

I would love to see that article. We were thinking of taking the kids in the late fall if things opened back up. 

uglybabo

PJNB said:

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:

Masks are going to be mandatory at Disney until at least the end of 2021

I would love to see that article. We were thinking of taking the kids in the late fall if things opened back up. 

Yeah it was apparently announced at some investors meeting:

Disney CEO Bob Chapek announced on a company earnings call that he expects face masks to be required at the theme parks for the rest of 2021, but not in 2022.

Disney has also recently updated its Face Mask Policy and has clarified that guests who have received a COVID-19 vaccination are still required to wear face masks at the Disney Parks and hotels.

https://ziggyknowsdisney.com/disney-face-masks/

PJNB

uglybabo said:

PJNB said:

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:

Masks are going to be mandatory at Disney until at least the end of 2021

I would love to see that article. We were thinking of taking the kids in the late fall if things opened back up. 

Yeah it was apparently announced at some investors meeting:

Disney CEO Bob Chapek announced on a company earnings call that he expects face masks to be required at the theme parks for the rest of 2021, but not in 2022.

Disney has also recently updated its Face Mask Policy and has clarified that guests who have received a COVID-19 vaccination are still required to wear face masks at the Disney Parks and hotels.

https://ziggyknowsdisney.com/disney-face-masks/

Cool thanks. I would only go if it was safe but with a 2 year old there is no chance keeping a mask on them all day. 

FiveBelow

bbiggs said:

Couldn't imagine a PJ show wearing a mask to be honest.  I'll wait.

Me neither, also couldn't imagine a PJ show at anything less than capacity.

bbiggs

FiveBelow said:

bbiggs said:

Couldn't imagine a PJ show wearing a mask to be honest.  I'll wait.

Me neither, also couldn't imagine a PJ show at anything less than capacity.

Agreed. 

RatherStarved

bbiggs said:

FiveBelow said:

bbiggs said:

Couldn't imagine a PJ show wearing a mask to be honest.  I'll wait.

Me neither, also couldn't imagine a PJ show at anything less than capacity.

Agreed. 

I think a little imagination will be required if we ever want to see these guys again.  It’s going to be like flying after 9/11.  Some things will never be exactly the same. 

bbiggs

RatherStarved said:

bbiggs said:

FiveBelow said:

bbiggs said:

Couldn't imagine a PJ show wearing a mask to be honest.  I'll wait.

Me neither, also couldn't imagine a PJ show at anything less than capacity.

Agreed. 

I think a little imagination will be required if we ever want to see these guys again.  It’s going to be like flying after 9/11.  Some things will never be exactly the same. 

Changes to air travel were required after 9/11 for the safety of all.  If large gatherings are changed indefinitely (i.e. masks, lower capacity) once everyone has an opportunity to be vaccinated, that just simply doesn't make sense to me.  Who are we protecting at that point?  Those that voluntarily refused a vaccine? 

ComeToTX

bbiggs said:

RatherStarved said:

bbiggs said:

FiveBelow said:

bbiggs said:

Couldn't imagine a PJ show wearing a mask to be honest.  I'll wait.

Me neither, also couldn't imagine a PJ show at anything less than capacity.

Agreed. 

I think a little imagination will be required if we ever want to see these guys again.  It’s going to be like flying after 9/11.  Some things will never be exactly the same. 

Changes to air travel were required after 9/11 for the safety of all.  If large gatherings are changed indefinitely (i.e. masks, lower capacity) once everyone has an opportunity to be vaccinated, that just simply doesn't make sense to me.  Who are we protecting at that point?  Those that voluntarily refused a vaccine? 

This. I have no problem wearing a mask now and doing what I have to do to prove everyone but once we all have a chance to be fully vaccinated the masks are coming off. 

chiefnjk

ComeToTX said:

bbiggs said:

RatherStarved said:

bbiggs said:

FiveBelow said:

bbiggs said:

Couldn't imagine a PJ show wearing a mask to be honest.  I'll wait.

Me neither, also couldn't imagine a PJ show at anything less than capacity.

Agreed. 

I think a little imagination will be required if we ever want to see these guys again.  It’s going to be like flying after 9/11.  Some things will never be exactly the same. 

Changes to air travel were required after 9/11 for the safety of all.  If large gatherings are changed indefinitely (i.e. masks, lower capacity) once everyone has an opportunity to be vaccinated, that just simply doesn't make sense to me.  Who are we protecting at that point?  Those that voluntarily refused a vaccine? 

This. I have no problem wearing a mask now and doing what I have to do to prove everyone but once we all have a chance to be fully vaccinated the masks are coming off. 

Fully agree. Plus, we want people to get vaccinated - so much of the messaging and response to COVID-19 has been a debacle. Why not emphasize now that "the sooner you get vaccinated, the sooner we can all stop wearing masks." I get that people should wear masks until everyone has had a chance to get the vaccine. But after that, come on. The vaccine gives us a chance to get back to how things were. Health experts should be emphasizing that. If people have to keep distancing, wearing masks and living with other restrictions, some people might say a vaccine isn't worth the effort. Keep it simple. Dangle the carrot, not the stick. 

DEGBTI

FiveBelow said:

Unless the pandemic takes a dramatic turn, I get the sense that Pearl Jam shows as we knew them will not be happening until 2023 at the earliest.

 2023? Dude, put down the pipe bro. Vaccinations are happening now, as in February 2021. Maybe it was a typo.

FiveBelow

DEGBTI said:

FiveBelow said:

Unless the pandemic takes a dramatic turn, I get the sense that Pearl Jam shows as we knew them will not be happening until 2023 at the earliest.

 2023? Dude, put down the pipe bro. Vaccinations are happening now, as in February 2021. Maybe it was a typo.

As I said before “PJ shows as we knew them”, meaning full capacity with no restrictions. There are still a lot of unknowns, the biggest being how long the vaccines are even effective. I want to see them again as much as the next fan, but given the tone Ed and Mike had on the Faithfull Forum, I am not holding my breath. They will play when it has been deemed safe, your guess is as good as mine when it comes to when that might be.

HailHailVitalogy

There is no chance in hell that the NFL, NBA, and NHL will start ANOTHER season without fans in Fall 2021. You can bet at minimum every arena will be 50% capacity in the Fall for these sporting events, and I would bet most will be at 75-100%.

Once MSG announces full capacity can resume, PJ will reschedule 2020 dates. My prediction is all 2020 dates will happen in 2022, meaning March 2020 tour will be March 2022. 

The only two X factors is PJ being overly cautious, which after listening to the Faithful Forum makes me believe 2021 is out. The second are the virus variants. It would take A LOT to fuck this up, but there’s no way the world goes on lockdown again.

YourDirtisMyfood

Maybe Eddie does an acoustic solo tour in front of 2,000 fans this summer.

RatherStarved

bbiggs said:

RatherStarved said:

bbiggs said:

FiveBelow said:

bbiggs said:

Couldn't imagine a PJ show wearing a mask to be honest.  I'll wait.

Me neither, also couldn't imagine a PJ show at anything less than capacity.

Agreed. 

I think a little imagination will be required if we ever want to see these guys again.  It’s going to be like flying after 9/11.  Some things will never be exactly the same. 

Changes to air travel were required after 9/11 for the safety of all.  If large gatherings are changed indefinitely (i.e. masks, lower capacity) once everyone has an opportunity to be vaccinated, that just simply doesn't make sense to me.  Who are we protecting at that point?  Those that voluntarily refused a vaccine? 

The vaccines are incredible, but they’re not perfect, and they may not be so good at all against the new variants.  They are part of the solution but not the whole solution.  I’ll be glad to be wrong but I think we’re going to be masking for a very long time, even after vaccines, particularly at large events.

P34RL J4MM3R

I hear you all, I just think the Mask mandate at any PJ concert or any concert for that matter is going to be a problem.  If there is a mandate, then some people will attend because the mandate makes them feel safe.  But as we've noted, there is no way that 90% or even 50% of the people will follow it.  So when the masks come off as soon as Go is played, then those who were relying on it will be very nervous and have their experience ruined.  They can't even enforce the masks on an airplane where you have 150-200 people, how are they going to do it for 10,000 - 20,000 people in a venue.  If you are not comfortable around people without masks, you need to wait until the Federal mandate that masks are done.  Otherwise, you will end up sitting next to BRO who isn't gonna be wearing a mask that night.  Whether you go to a MLB, NHL, NBA, NFL game or a concert.  They can't even enforce "Shirt mandates" as we've all sat next to BRO who insists on taking his shirt off right at first pitch or right as the lights go down.  I wish I had better news.  You can see it at restaurants and airplanes, at the office, and everywhere else, to some people masks do not matter.  Going forward it's just going to get worse.

RatherStarved

I would never trust my safety to strangers who may or may not wear a mask for whatever reason.  However there are masks that protect the wearer, and aren’t necessarily too uncomfortable.  When there are enough of those available so this can be done without depriving health care workers of what they need (and they were selling them on the home shopping channel last week for a buck or two apiece, so the supply may already be there) hand them out at the gate, combine it with a negative test and/or vaccine requirement, and let’s get the show on the road.  Time’s a wasting and the virus isn’t going to go away.  

Yefa

Wearing a mask for a rock concert is unfeasible and uncomfortable.  Breathing is the most important thing.  There is also the factor of eating and drinking.  Once 75-80% of people have had the vaccine it will not be necessary to wear masks in public places.  If someone doesn't want to get the vaccine they can stay home and watch live music on their TV or computer screen.

Taft

HailHailVitalogy said:

There is no chance in hell that the NFL, NBA, and NHL will start ANOTHER season without fans in Fall 2021. You can bet at minimum every arena will be 50% capacity in the Fall for these sporting events, and I would bet most will be at 75-100%.

Once MSG announces full capacity can resume, PJ will reschedule 2020 dates. My prediction is all 2020 dates will happen in 2022, meaning March 2020 tour will be March 2022. 

The only two X factors is PJ being overly cautious, which after listening to the Faithful Forum makes me believe 2021 is out. The second are the virus variants. It would take A LOT to fuck this up, but there’s no way the world goes on lockdown again.

DEGBTI said:

FiveBelow said:

Unless the pandemic takes a dramatic turn, I get the sense that Pearl Jam shows as we knew them will not be happening until 2023 at the earliest.

 2023? Dude, put down the pipe bro. Vaccinations are happening now, as in February 2021. Maybe it was a typo.

 

Unfortunately FiveBelow is correct. Insiders in the music industry have come to the realization that 2023 is the earliest realistic target to start planning for shows to return to semi-normal. 

If you doubt that, you have no idea how difficult it is to structure a tour under the best of circumstances. With COVID it is a logistical nightmare from
Insurance, to crew safety, to vendors, to enhanced (and expensive) security, to contingency plans for cancellations and postponements, to local rules differing city to city. And did I say insurance?

The financial risk is too great for all involved, even if you aren’t a believer in the safety risks. 

on2legs

Taft:

The financial risk is too great for all involved, even if you aren’t a believer in the safety risks. 

The financial risk is exactly why I think we will get shows well before 2023.  Unless you're the Rolling Stones, U2 or other mega huge acts there is no way you can be a performer and miss 3 years of live shows.  A lot of these artists are going broke fast and they will be looking to be back on the road well before 2023.