Ha, I hope that psycho is not allowed around children...
I think the way they are exploiting Greta Thunberg's youth does not help the cause much. I think AOC does a much better job getting the message out particularly when she's Fielding questions and concerns as she does in the above video. I think Greta makes it look like the climate change activist are desperate for a spokes person. I don't think Greta is prepared to answer a person like the Above video
I will give props to AOC maintaining her composure in that situation, I don’t think I could have, lol
And I don't have anything against Greta Thunberg, on the flip side, it appears to some that the climate change movement is using her age and disability as a weapon to promote it's side of the debate. Nothing against Greta but I think AOC is a better bet, if you're trying to win people over.
RYME, climate change is not a movement and there are no "sides". It is reality. There should be no need for debate at this point in time, only combined and unified action.
Proposed remedies are definitely in dispute.
Which ones?
Sorry for my delayed response I was driving my semi truck last few hours. Unrealistic regulations. Taxing Farmers that raise livestock & food for us all because animals shit and fart.., and raising crops takes a lot of damn diesel to put it in a and harvest at all. Why would you stick it to the farmers? Im not being flip. Suggesting we should now cross the oceans in rowboats instead of ships or airplanes. Get around town like The Flintstones. Suggesting people shouldn't have kids anymore because there will be no Earth by the time they turn 16. The urge to create panic over everything. We've only got 13 years left you know. Outlawing things like wood stoves. Basic Essentials for life. Mankind has used fire to stay alive and cook since the beginning of time. I'm not a climate change denier climate changes all the time, but it didn't start 50 years ago, decade decade to decade Century to Century it varies. I don't think man has to do with it. I think if there was Zero vehicles or carbon emissions, The temperature here right now would still be 27 degrees, with a low of six tonight with Cloudy Skies it's December in Wisconsin, and whatever the weather is doing today wherever you are I think would be the same emissions or no emissions I think ice caps and Glaciers have a long history of expanding and diminishing back and forth, the Sun goes through different phases I mean there's a lot to this Rubik's globe on the rocking horse of time. It's amazing to me the number of people that promote this stuff about rising sea levels, but still buy and live on ocean front property. If the seas are going to rise so much why would you do that? https://robbreport.com/shelter/homes-for-sale/obamas-marthas-vineyard-estate-15-million-2865341/
Thanks for the reply, RYME. Here are my thoughts on these points:
Taxing Farmers that raise livestock & food: Agreed, more taxing is not the answer. I believe ins supporting family farms (not big ag). My brother has been a farmer for many years. I'm all for farmers. I do however, believe eating less meat would help a lot.
Suggesting we should now cross the oceans in rowboats instead of ships or airplanes. An even better idea for less carbon output for crossing the oceans is simple- SWIM! LOL, but seriously, I do think it would help if not as many people flew. I never never take airplanes.
Get around town like The Flintstones. The Flintsones had personal vehicles and left dirt foot toe jam all over the road. Today we have hybrid and electric vehicles which is an improvement. But we could do more walking, ride sharing anduse public transit more which would also help.
Suggesting people shouldn't have kids anymore. Well, how about having fewer kids and adopting more? I had no kids, but helped raise a few. My wife had one scratch baby but help raise several kids in need.
Outlawing things like wood stoves. I've never heard of wood stoves being outlawed but there are restrictions on their use during high level pollution days ion places like Sacramento. If you lived in my neck of the woods you might also wish wood stove use was not so great. My eyes are burning as I write this, not from wild fires but from the ubiquitous wood burning in my area. It is just plain awful!
As for the cause of climate change, I don't have anything to add other than all the many things I've posted on that. I would recommend spending some time checking out NOAA and realclimate.org.
Thanks for listening, RYME.
Thats good stuff Brian. Yes I'm all for family farms as well. Unfortunately there's probably a not enough of them to produce enough food for the masses. Say Brian, did you hear anything about an almond farmer in California that got shut down by the California DNR or EPA? A man came out to this multigenerational almond Farm dressed in a sport coat and a loose-fitting tie clipboard in hand , to inspect the farm. The man noticed There was some deep standing water around the farmer's tractor. The guy said you cannot Farm almonds here anymore because of these navigable waterways that's your tractor is ruining. The farmer argued saying "that's not a navigable Waterway sir, those are ruts from my tractor, admitting that they are pretty deep pretty bad and it's been wet around here lately. I go the same way out and back in the same ruts so I don't produce more unnecessary ruts, but I've got to access the the almond trees throughout the farm somehow". The DNR or EPA guy said sorry you can't Farm almonds here anymore. Your tractor is damaging navigable waterways sir. Did you hear about this? The article did not tell how this all ended. But harassing almond Growers seems like not the right way to go about protecting the environment. Mistaking tractor routes for waterways??
It sounds like you are referring to this story, but maybe not?
I don't know all the particulars, but if you search for Duarte Nursery you get plenty of different takes on the situation. I can't say that the fine or settlement were fair, but the "farmer" (I use that term loosely because our modern farmer isn't much different than a corporate CEO these days with the big AG industry) was aware of the waterways and the person he contracted didn't quite avoid them like he was supposed to. This was also over 450 acres that had recently been purchased and was not part of his generational farming land.
Fair enough HFD. Why do you think The Divide on all subjects is so right down the middle on virtually everything with not much wiggle room?
1. God - No god 2. Consertive - Leftist 3. Pro Gun rights - Anti gun rights 4. Pro Police - Anti police 5. Anti Kaepernick - Pro Kaepernick 6. Patriotism - globalism 7. Pro-lifers - Pro abortionists 8. Pro Trumpers - Trump haters 9. Climate change is natural - man-made climate change we're all doomed, every human is guilty by default for sucking air. 10. Capitalism free market - socialism Etc 11. Non enlightend - enlightened 12. Pro fossil fuel energy pro nuclear energy - we all need to live in population centers and ride bicycles for transportation. 13. Small government - big government Im sure there's more i can't think of right now. *I understand that I'm in the minority in this forum. But what's amazing to me is we differ on almost everything A-Z. I made a positive comment about AOC, and/but I still got called out & challeged. That's cool. Its a fun challenge for me to try to find just 1 sliver of common ground on something. Even if I don't support AOC, I respect her and enjoy listening to her when she speaks. I like Greta Thunberg, she looks like a nice girl. I dont like the way The Left is using & exploiting her to advance Whatever the cause is. ________?
it's not all right down the middle. I think we all fall on different parts of the spectrum on any given issue, but yeah, if you force someone to choose between black and white without the benefit of explaining if they are in fact grey, then that's the perception you're going to have.
and as for your #7: NO ONE IS PRO ABORTION.
Ok fair enough. #7. pro lifers vs fill in the blank ________. (Whatever the opposite is) My point was I think there's a lot of gray in between the two sides on all these issues, but it's really hard to find any common ground when the labels start coming out of the printer.
ironic then, to me, that you made a list of all said labels.
really?? whatever the opposite is? it's pro choice. it's giving women power over their own bodies. you think for one solitary second that if men gave birth that this would even be an issue?
Good greef I was searching for the gray area in between the labels so we can get along. Grey https://youtu.be/vjiqIo2gY_k
alright, just seemed a bit strange that you chose some of the labels you did, like #9 and #12 for instance. obviously very biased and hyperbolic way of putting it. not exactly a way of looking for grey.
Fair enough HFD. Why do you think The Divide on all subjects is so right down the middle on virtually everything with not much wiggle room?
1. God - No god 2. Consertive - Leftist 3. Pro Gun rights - Anti gun rights 4. Pro Police - Anti police 5. Anti Kaepernick - Pro Kaepernick 6. Patriotism - globalism 7. Pro-lifers - Pro abortionists 8. Pro Trumpers - Trump haters 9. Climate change is natural - man-made climate change we're all doomed, every human is guilty by default for sucking air. 10. Capitalism free market - socialism Etc 11. Non enlightend - enlightened 12. Pro fossil fuel energy pro nuclear energy - we all need to live in population centers and ride bicycles for transportation. 13. Small government - big government Im sure there's more i can't think of right now. *I understand that I'm in the minority in this forum. But what's amazing to me is we differ on almost everything A-Z. I made a positive comment about AOC, and/but I still got called out & challeged. That's cool. Its a fun challenge for me to try to find just 1 sliver of common ground on something. Even if I don't support AOC, I respect her and enjoy listening to her when she speaks. I like Greta Thunberg, she looks like a nice girl. I dont like the way The Left is using & exploiting her to advance Whatever the cause is. ________?
it's not all right down the middle. I think we all fall on different parts of the spectrum on any given issue, but yeah, if you force someone to choose between black and white without the benefit of explaining if they are in fact grey, then that's the perception you're going to have.
and as for your #7: NO ONE IS PRO ABORTION.
Ummm yes, there are.
Nevermind, the labels are counter productive anyhow. You can pick multiple labels that basically mean the same thing it some are offensive and other preferred. Just like your use of climate change deniers. Accurate? Hmmmm perhaps. Man-made climate change denier? Accurate? More likely. But denier carries a certain connotation with it that just offends.
there are what? people that are pro-abortion? how does that work, exactly, being pro-abortion? just enjoy the idea of women terminating pregnancies for the sheer joy of it?
Fair enough HFD. Why do you think The Divide on all subjects is so right down the middle on virtually everything with not much wiggle room?
1. God - No god 2. Consertive - Leftist 3. Pro Gun rights - Anti gun rights 4. Pro Police - Anti police 5. Anti Kaepernick - Pro Kaepernick 6. Patriotism - globalism 7. Pro-lifers - Pro abortionists 8. Pro Trumpers - Trump haters 9. Climate change is natural - man-made climate change we're all doomed, every human is guilty by default for sucking air. 10. Capitalism free market - socialism Etc 11. Non enlightend - enlightened 12. Pro fossil fuel energy pro nuclear energy - we all need to live in population centers and ride bicycles for transportation. 13. Small government - big government Im sure there's more i can't think of right now. *I understand that I'm in the minority in this forum. But what's amazing to me is we differ on almost everything A-Z. I made a positive comment about AOC, and/but I still got called out & challeged. That's cool. Its a fun challenge for me to try to find just 1 sliver of common ground on something. Even if I don't support AOC, I respect her and enjoy listening to her when she speaks. I like Greta Thunberg, she looks like a nice girl. I dont like the way The Left is using & exploiting her to advance Whatever the cause is. ________?
it's not all right down the middle. I think we all fall on different parts of the spectrum on any given issue, but yeah, if you force someone to choose between black and white without the benefit of explaining if they are in fact grey, then that's the perception you're going to have.
and as for your #7: NO ONE IS PRO ABORTION.
Ummm yes, there are.
Nevermind, the labels are counter productive anyhow. You can pick multiple labels that basically mean the same thing it some are offensive and other preferred. Just like your use of climate change deniers. Accurate? Hmmmm perhaps. Man-made climate change denier? Accurate? More likely. But denier carries a certain connotation with it that just offends.
there are what? people that are pro-abortion? how does that work, exactly, being pro-abortion? just enjoy the idea of women terminating pregnancies for the sheer joy of it?
So yesterday I questioned some of the man-made climate change accusations and remedies, because I believe there is a lot of gray area there too.. waite for it. you're a denier. That's what inspired my list of differences that I'm trying to find the gray in between so we can get along better. ( sorry this wasn't supposed to be a discussion about abortion, I should have said pro-choice my bad)
Fair enough HFD. Why do you think The Divide on all subjects is so right down the middle on virtually everything with not much wiggle room?
1. God - No god 2. Consertive - Leftist 3. Pro Gun rights - Anti gun rights 4. Pro Police - Anti police 5. Anti Kaepernick - Pro Kaepernick 6. Patriotism - globalism 7. Pro-lifers - Pro abortionists 8. Pro Trumpers - Trump haters 9. Climate change is natural - man-made climate change we're all doomed, every human is guilty by default for sucking air. 10. Capitalism free market - socialism Etc 11. Non enlightend - enlightened 12. Pro fossil fuel energy pro nuclear energy - we all need to live in population centers and ride bicycles for transportation. 13. Small government - big government Im sure there's more i can't think of right now. *I understand that I'm in the minority in this forum. But what's amazing to me is we differ on almost everything A-Z. I made a positive comment about AOC, and/but I still got called out & challeged. That's cool. Its a fun challenge for me to try to find just 1 sliver of common ground on something. Even if I don't support AOC, I respect her and enjoy listening to her when she speaks. I like Greta Thunberg, she looks like a nice girl. I dont like the way The Left is using & exploiting her to advance Whatever the cause is. ________?
it's not all right down the middle. I think we all fall on different parts of the spectrum on any given issue, but yeah, if you force someone to choose between black and white without the benefit of explaining if they are in fact grey, then that's the perception you're going to have.
and as for your #7: NO ONE IS PRO ABORTION.
Ummm yes, there are.
Nevermind, the labels are counter productive anyhow. You can pick multiple labels that basically mean the same thing it some are offensive and other preferred. Just like your use of climate change deniers. Accurate? Hmmmm perhaps. Man-made climate change denier? Accurate? More likely. But denier carries a certain connotation with it that just offends.
there are what? people that are pro-abortion? how does that work, exactly, being pro-abortion? just enjoy the idea of women terminating pregnancies for the sheer joy of it?
So yesterday I questioned some of the man-made climate change accusations and remedies, because I believe there is a lot of gray area there too.. waite for it. you're a denier. That's what inspired my list of differences that I'm trying to find the gray in between so we can get along better. ( sorry this wasn't supposed to be a discussion about abortion, I should have said pro-choice my bad)
yes, some labels are appropriate, given a strict definition.
Fair enough HFD. Why do you think The Divide on all subjects is so right down the middle on virtually everything with not much wiggle room?
1. God - No god 2. Consertive - Leftist 3. Pro Gun rights - Anti gun rights 4. Pro Police - Anti police 5. Anti Kaepernick - Pro Kaepernick 6. Patriotism - globalism 7. Pro-lifers - Pro abortionists 8. Pro Trumpers - Trump haters 9. Climate change is natural - man-made climate change we're all doomed, every human is guilty by default for sucking air. 10. Capitalism free market - socialism Etc 11. Non enlightend - enlightened 12. Pro fossil fuel energy pro nuclear energy - we all need to live in population centers and ride bicycles for transportation. 13. Small government - big government Im sure there's more i can't think of right now. *I understand that I'm in the minority in this forum. But what's amazing to me is we differ on almost everything A-Z. I made a positive comment about AOC, and/but I still got called out & challeged. That's cool. Its a fun challenge for me to try to find just 1 sliver of common ground on something. Even if I don't support AOC, I respect her and enjoy listening to her when she speaks. I like Greta Thunberg, she looks like a nice girl. I dont like the way The Left is using & exploiting her to advance Whatever the cause is. ________?
it's not all right down the middle. I think we all fall on different parts of the spectrum on any given issue, but yeah, if you force someone to choose between black and white without the benefit of explaining if they are in fact grey, then that's the perception you're going to have.
and as for your #7: NO ONE IS PRO ABORTION.
Ummm yes, there are.
Nevermind, the labels are counter productive anyhow. You can pick multiple labels that basically mean the same thing it some are offensive and other preferred. Just like your use of climate change deniers. Accurate? Hmmmm perhaps. Man-made climate change denier? Accurate? More likely. But denier carries a certain connotation with it that just offends.
there are what? people that are pro-abortion? how does that work, exactly, being pro-abortion? just enjoy the idea of women terminating pregnancies for the sheer joy of it?
You don't have to enjoy it. Why would you have to get pleasure from it to be pro something?
Fair enough HFD. Why do you think The Divide on all subjects is so right down the middle on virtually everything with not much wiggle room?
1. God - No god 2. Consertive - Leftist 3. Pro Gun rights - Anti gun rights 4. Pro Police - Anti police 5. Anti Kaepernick - Pro Kaepernick 6. Patriotism - globalism 7. Pro-lifers - Pro abortionists 8. Pro Trumpers - Trump haters 9. Climate change is natural - man-made climate change we're all doomed, every human is guilty by default for sucking air. 10. Capitalism free market - socialism Etc 11. Non enlightend - enlightened 12. Pro fossil fuel energy pro nuclear energy - we all need to live in population centers and ride bicycles for transportation. 13. Small government - big government Im sure there's more i can't think of right now. *I understand that I'm in the minority in this forum. But what's amazing to me is we differ on almost everything A-Z. I made a positive comment about AOC, and/but I still got called out & challeged. That's cool. Its a fun challenge for me to try to find just 1 sliver of common ground on something. Even if I don't support AOC, I respect her and enjoy listening to her when she speaks. I like Greta Thunberg, she looks like a nice girl. I dont like the way The Left is using & exploiting her to advance Whatever the cause is. ________?
it's not all right down the middle. I think we all fall on different parts of the spectrum on any given issue, but yeah, if you force someone to choose between black and white without the benefit of explaining if they are in fact grey, then that's the perception you're going to have.
and as for your #7: NO ONE IS PRO ABORTION.
Ummm yes, there are.
Nevermind, the labels are counter productive anyhow. You can pick multiple labels that basically mean the same thing it some are offensive and other preferred. Just like your use of climate change deniers. Accurate? Hmmmm perhaps. Man-made climate change denier? Accurate? More likely. But denier carries a certain connotation with it that just offends.
there are what? people that are pro-abortion? how does that work, exactly, being pro-abortion? just enjoy the idea of women terminating pregnancies for the sheer joy of it?
You don't have to enjoy it. Why would you have to get pleasure from it to be pro something?
explain to me what pro abortion means to you then.
Fair enough HFD. Why do you think The Divide on all subjects is so right down the middle on virtually everything with not much wiggle room?
1. God - No god 2. Consertive - Leftist 3. Pro Gun rights - Anti gun rights 4. Pro Police - Anti police 5. Anti Kaepernick - Pro Kaepernick 6. Patriotism - globalism 7. Pro-lifers - Pro abortionists 8. Pro Trumpers - Trump haters 9. Climate change is natural - man-made climate change we're all doomed, every human is guilty by default for sucking air. 10. Capitalism free market - socialism Etc 11. Non enlightend - enlightened 12. Pro fossil fuel energy pro nuclear energy - we all need to live in population centers and ride bicycles for transportation. 13. Small government - big government Im sure there's more i can't think of right now. *I understand that I'm in the minority in this forum. But what's amazing to me is we differ on almost everything A-Z. I made a positive comment about AOC, and/but I still got called out & challeged. That's cool. Its a fun challenge for me to try to find just 1 sliver of common ground on something. Even if I don't support AOC, I respect her and enjoy listening to her when she speaks. I like Greta Thunberg, she looks like a nice girl. I dont like the way The Left is using & exploiting her to advance Whatever the cause is. ________?
it's not all right down the middle. I think we all fall on different parts of the spectrum on any given issue, but yeah, if you force someone to choose between black and white without the benefit of explaining if they are in fact grey, then that's the perception you're going to have.
and as for your #7: NO ONE IS PRO ABORTION.
Ummm yes, there are.
Nevermind, the labels are counter productive anyhow. You can pick multiple labels that basically mean the same thing it some are offensive and other preferred. Just like your use of climate change deniers. Accurate? Hmmmm perhaps. Man-made climate change denier? Accurate? More likely. But denier carries a certain connotation with it that just offends.
there are what? people that are pro-abortion? how does that work, exactly, being pro-abortion? just enjoy the idea of women terminating pregnancies for the sheer joy of it?
So yesterday I questioned some of the man-made climate change accusations and remedies, because I believe there is a lot of gray area there too.. waite for it. you're a denier. That's whathatWespired my list of differences that I'm trying to find the gray in between so we can get along better. ( sorry this wasn't supposed to be a discussion about abortion, I should have said pro-choice my bad)
yes, some labels are appropriate, given a strict definition.
Well then this exercise was another failed attempt at finding some gray. Whatever
Fair enough HFD. Why do you think The Divide on all subjects is so right down the middle on virtually everything with not much wiggle room?
1. God - No god 2. Consertive - Leftist 3. Pro Gun rights - Anti gun rights 4. Pro Police - Anti police 5. Anti Kaepernick - Pro Kaepernick 6. Patriotism - globalism 7. Pro-lifers - Pro abortionists 8. Pro Trumpers - Trump haters 9. Climate change is natural - man-made climate change we're all doomed, every human is guilty by default for sucking air. 10. Capitalism free market - socialism Etc 11. Non enlightend - enlightened 12. Pro fossil fuel energy pro nuclear energy - we all need to live in population centers and ride bicycles for transportation. 13. Small government - big government Im sure there's more i can't think of right now. *I understand that I'm in the minority in this forum. But what's amazing to me is we differ on almost everything A-Z. I made a positive comment about AOC, and/but I still got called out & challeged. That's cool. Its a fun challenge for me to try to find just 1 sliver of common ground on something. Even if I don't support AOC, I respect her and enjoy listening to her when she speaks. I like Greta Thunberg, she looks like a nice girl. I dont like the way The Left is using & exploiting her to advance Whatever the cause is. ________?
it's not all right down the middle. I think we all fall on different parts of the spectrum on any given issue, but yeah, if you force someone to choose between black and white without the benefit of explaining if they are in fact grey, then that's the perception you're going to have.
and as for your #7: NO ONE IS PRO ABORTION.
Ummm yes, there are.
Nevermind, the labels are counter productive anyhow. You can pick multiple labels that basically mean the same thing it some are offensive and other preferred. Just like your use of climate change deniers. Accurate? Hmmmm perhaps. Man-made climate change denier? Accurate? More likely. But denier carries a certain connotation with it that just offends.
there are what? people that are pro-abortion? how does that work, exactly, being pro-abortion? just enjoy the idea of women terminating pregnancies for the sheer joy of it?
You don't have to enjoy it. Why would you have to get pleasure from it to be pro something?
explain to me what pro abortion means to you then.
Someone that is for women being able to have abortions.
Fair enough HFD. Why do you think The Divide on all subjects is so right down the middle on virtually everything with not much wiggle room?
1. God - No god 2. Consertive - Leftist 3. Pro Gun rights - Anti gun rights 4. Pro Police - Anti police 5. Anti Kaepernick - Pro Kaepernick 6. Patriotism - globalism 7. Pro-lifers - Pro abortionists 8. Pro Trumpers - Trump haters 9. Climate change is natural - man-made climate change we're all doomed, every human is guilty by default for sucking air. 10. Capitalism free market - socialism Etc 11. Non enlightend - enlightened 12. Pro fossil fuel energy pro nuclear energy - we all need to live in population centers and ride bicycles for transportation. 13. Small government - big government Im sure there's more i can't think of right now. *I understand that I'm in the minority in this forum. But what's amazing to me is we differ on almost everything A-Z. I made a positive comment about AOC, and/but I still got called out & challeged. That's cool. Its a fun challenge for me to try to find just 1 sliver of common ground on something. Even if I don't support AOC, I respect her and enjoy listening to her when she speaks. I like Greta Thunberg, she looks like a nice girl. I dont like the way The Left is using & exploiting her to advance Whatever the cause is. ________?
it's not all right down the middle. I think we all fall on different parts of the spectrum on any given issue, but yeah, if you force someone to choose between black and white without the benefit of explaining if they are in fact grey, then that's the perception you're going to have.
and as for your #7: NO ONE IS PRO ABORTION.
Ummm yes, there are.
Nevermind, the labels are counter productive anyhow. You can pick multiple labels that basically mean the same thing it some are offensive and other preferred. Just like your use of climate change deniers. Accurate? Hmmmm perhaps. Man-made climate change denier? Accurate? More likely. But denier carries a certain connotation with it that just offends.
there are what? people that are pro-abortion? how does that work, exactly, being pro-abortion? just enjoy the idea of women terminating pregnancies for the sheer joy of it?
You don't have to enjoy it. Why would you have to get pleasure from it to be pro something?
explain to me what pro abortion means to you then.
For example. I’m also “for” aka “pro” gay marriage and I don’t plan on using it or getting any pleasure out of it.
you can feel free to disagree with me without being a child.
Ohh, All of the above was that attempt to be adultish. But when that fails it's much more fun to then be childish it's very liberating. You know icebergs, hurricanes, tornadoes, sea-level variances, earthquakes and volcanoes, tidal waves natural disasters. never existed until after the Industrial Revolution. Emissions that come out of a volcanic blast, like the one in Hawaii a year and a half ago, lasted from May till September 5 months of all kinds of gases, and chemicals spewing into the sky, and filling up the ocean, reshaping the edge of that Island with super hot lava producing poisonous Steam. The blue around the edges is methane gas from all the trees burning up Underneath It All. https://youtu.be/Quq3YnRlRZY https://youtu.be/qTguVaYjYL8 But of course this kind of thing has no effect on climate change whatsoever. Not just this one but there are lots of volcanoes around the world going off all the time. That + 100 billion other variables = climate change. One of the first things I said today was you are a reasonable guy. And I meant it. I labeled you a reasonable guy. Did you listen to the song about Grey? it was meant to lighten the mood and be uplifting.
you can feel free to disagree with me without being a child.
Ohh, All of the above was that attempt to be adultish. But when that fails it's much more fun to then be childish it's very liberating. You know icebergs, hurricanes, tornadoes, sea-level variances, earthquakes and volcanoes, tidal waves natural disasters. never existed until after the Industrial Revolution. Emissions that come out of a volcanic blast, like the one in Hawaii a year and a half ago, lasted from May till September 5 months of all kinds of gases, and chemicals spewing into the sky, and filling up the ocean, reshaping the edge of that Island with super hot lava producing poisonous Steam. The blue around the edges is methane gas from all the trees burning up Underneath It All. https://youtu.be/Quq3YnRlRZY https://youtu.be/qTguVaYjYL8 But of course this kind of thing has no effect on climate change whatsoever. Not just this one but there are lots of volcanoes around the world going off all the time. That + 100 billion other variables = climate change. One of the first things I said today was you are a reasonable guy. And I meant it. I labeled you a reasonable guy. Did you listen to the song about Grey? it was meant to lighten the mood and be uplifting.
Fair enough HFD. Why do you think The Divide on all subjects is so right down the middle on virtually everything with not much wiggle room?
1. God - No god 2. Consertive - Leftist 3. Pro Gun rights - Anti gun rights 4. Pro Police - Anti police 5. Anti Kaepernick - Pro Kaepernick 6. Patriotism - globalism 7. Pro-lifers - Pro abortionists 8. Pro Trumpers - Trump haters 9. Climate change is natural - man-made climate change we're all doomed, every human is guilty by default for sucking air. 10. Capitalism free market - socialism Etc 11. Non enlightend - enlightened 12. Pro fossil fuel energy pro nuclear energy - we all need to live in population centers and ride bicycles for transportation. 13. Small government - big government Im sure there's more i can't think of right now. *I understand that I'm in the minority in this forum. But what's amazing to me is we differ on almost everything A-Z. I made a positive comment about AOC, and/but I still got called out & challeged. That's cool. Its a fun challenge for me to try to find just 1 sliver of common ground on something. Even if I don't support AOC, I respect her and enjoy listening to her when she speaks. I like Greta Thunberg, she looks like a nice girl. I dont like the way The Left is using & exploiting her to advance Whatever the cause is. ________?
it's not all right down the middle. I think we all fall on different parts of the spectrum on any given issue, but yeah, if you force someone to choose between black and white without the benefit of explaining if they are in fact grey, then that's the perception you're going to have.
and as for your #7: NO ONE IS PRO ABORTION.
Ummm yes, there are.
Nevermind, the labels are counter productive anyhow. You can pick multiple labels that basically mean the same thing it some are offensive and other preferred. Just like your use of climate change deniers. Accurate? Hmmmm perhaps. Man-made climate change denier? Accurate? More likely. But denier carries a certain connotation with it that just offends.
there are what? people that are pro-abortion? how does that work, exactly, being pro-abortion? just enjoy the idea of women terminating pregnancies for the sheer joy of it?
You don't have to enjoy it. Why would you have to get pleasure from it to be pro something?
explain to me what pro abortion means to you then.
For example. I’m also “for” aka “pro” gay marriage and I don’t plan on using it or getting any pleasure out of it.
your argument in semantics is ridiculous. i think you're just in one of your arguing moods again.
pro choice is not pro abortion and you know it. i abhor the idea of abortion. but i abhor the idea of a woman not having control over her own body slightly more.
i hope that clears that up.
being pro-gay marriage is being pro-equal rights. i'm not for everyone being married to the same sex. i'm for the idea that they can if that's who they choose to marry. come on, man.
you can feel free to disagree with me without being a child.
Ohh, All of the above was that attempt to be adultish. But when that fails it's much more fun to then be childish it's very liberating. You know icebergs, hurricanes, tornadoes, sea-level variances, earthquakes and volcanoes, tidal waves natural disasters. never existed until after the Industrial Revolution. Emissions that come out of a volcanic blast, like the one in Hawaii a year and a half ago, lasted from May till September 5 months of all kinds of gases, and chemicals spewing into the sky, and filling up the ocean, reshaping the edge of that Island with super hot lava producing poisonous Steam. The blue around the edges is methane gas from all the trees burning up Underneath It All. https://youtu.be/Quq3YnRlRZY https://youtu.be/qTguVaYjYL8 But of course this kind of thing has no effect on climate change whatsoever. Not just this one but there are lots of volcanoes around the world going off all the time. That + 100 billion other variables = climate change. One of the first things I said today was you are a reasonable guy. And I meant it. I labeled you a reasonable guy. Did you listen to the song about Grey? it was meant to lighten the mood and be uplifting.
but you know, science and all.
There is more than one scientist in the world dude and they don't all say the same thing.
you can feel free to disagree with me without being a child.
Ohh, All of the above was that attempt to be adultish. But when that fails it's much more fun to then be childish it's very liberating. You know icebergs, hurricanes, tornadoes, sea-level variances, earthquakes and volcanoes, tidal waves natural disasters. never existed until after the Industrial Revolution. Emissions that come out of a volcanic blast, like the one in Hawaii a year and a half ago, lasted from May till September 5 months of all kinds of gases, and chemicals spewing into the sky, and filling up the ocean, reshaping the edge of that Island with super hot lava producing poisonous Steam. The blue around the edges is methane gas from all the trees burning up Underneath It All. https://youtu.be/Quq3YnRlRZY https://youtu.be/qTguVaYjYL8 But of course this kind of thing has no effect on climate change whatsoever. Not just this one but there are lots of volcanoes around the world going off all the time. That + 100 billion other variables = climate change. One of the first things I said today was you are a reasonable guy. And I meant it. I labeled you a reasonable guy. Did you listen to the song about Grey? it was meant to lighten the mood and be uplifting.
but you know, science and all.
There is more than one scientist in the world dude and they don't all say the same thing.
Fair enough HFD. Why do you think The Divide on all subjects is so right down the middle on virtually everything with not much wiggle room?
1. God - No god 2. Consertive - Leftist 3. Pro Gun rights - Anti gun rights 4. Pro Police - Anti police 5. Anti Kaepernick - Pro Kaepernick 6. Patriotism - globalism 7. Pro-lifers - Pro abortionists 8. Pro Trumpers - Trump haters 9. Climate change is natural - man-made climate change we're all doomed, every human is guilty by default for sucking air. 10. Capitalism free market - socialism Etc 11. Non enlightend - enlightened 12. Pro fossil fuel energy pro nuclear energy - we all need to live in population centers and ride bicycles for transportation. 13. Small government - big government Im sure there's more i can't think of right now. *I understand that I'm in the minority in this forum. But what's amazing to me is we differ on almost everything A-Z. I made a positive comment about AOC, and/but I still got called out & challeged. That's cool. Its a fun challenge for me to try to find just 1 sliver of common ground on something. Even if I don't support AOC, I respect her and enjoy listening to her when she speaks. I like Greta Thunberg, she looks like a nice girl. I dont like the way The Left is using & exploiting her to advance Whatever the cause is. ________?
it's not all right down the middle. I think we all fall on different parts of the spectrum on any given issue, but yeah, if you force someone to choose between black and white without the benefit of explaining if they are in fact grey, then that's the perception you're going to have.
and as for your #7: NO ONE IS PRO ABORTION.
Ummm yes, there are.
Nevermind, the labels are counter productive anyhow. You can pick multiple labels that basically mean the same thing it some are offensive and other preferred. Just like your use of climate change deniers. Accurate? Hmmmm perhaps. Man-made climate change denier? Accurate? More likely. But denier carries a certain connotation with it that just offends.
there are what? people that are pro-abortion? how does that work, exactly, being pro-abortion? just enjoy the idea of women terminating pregnancies for the sheer joy of it?
You don't have to enjoy it. Why would you have to get pleasure from it to be pro something?
explain to me what pro abortion means to you then.
For example. I’m also “for” aka “pro” gay marriage and I don’t plan on using it or getting any pleasure out of it.
your argument in semantics is ridiculous. i think you're just in one of your arguing moods again.
pro choice is not pro abortion and you know it. i abhor the idea of abortion. but i abhor the idea of a woman not having control over her own body slightly more.
i hope that clears that up.
being pro-gay marriage is being pro-equal rights. i'm not for everyone being married to the same sex. i'm for the idea that they can if that's who they choose to marry. come on, man.
Nah, I'm actually in a really great mood. It seems like you are not however.
It's not semantics. The only thing semantic about it is people that a pro-abortion trying to call themselves something different to feel better about it. But I don't know why. You are either for abortion being legal (PRO abortion) or you are against it (ANTI). You seem to think that me calling you pro-abortion means that you want to kill all babies yourself. It doesn't. It means I'm calling you some one that is for abortion legislation that makes it/keeps it legal. That's cool.
Fair enough HFD. Why do you think The Divide on all subjects is so right down the middle on virtually everything with not much wiggle room?
1. God - No god 2. Consertive - Leftist 3. Pro Gun rights - Anti gun rights 4. Pro Police - Anti police 5. Anti Kaepernick - Pro Kaepernick 6. Patriotism - globalism 7. Pro-lifers - Pro abortionists 8. Pro Trumpers - Trump haters 9. Climate change is natural - man-made climate change we're all doomed, every human is guilty by default for sucking air. 10. Capitalism free market - socialism Etc 11. Non enlightend - enlightened 12. Pro fossil fuel energy pro nuclear energy - we all need to live in population centers and ride bicycles for transportation. 13. Small government - big government Im sure there's more i can't think of right now. *I understand that I'm in the minority in this forum. But what's amazing to me is we differ on almost everything A-Z. I made a positive comment about AOC, and/but I still got called out & challeged. That's cool. Its a fun challenge for me to try to find just 1 sliver of common ground on something. Even if I don't support AOC, I respect her and enjoy listening to her when she speaks. I like Greta Thunberg, she looks like a nice girl. I dont like the way The Left is using & exploiting her to advance Whatever the cause is. ________?
it's not all right down the middle. I think we all fall on different parts of the spectrum on any given issue, but yeah, if you force someone to choose between black and white without the benefit of explaining if they are in fact grey, then that's the perception you're going to have.
and as for your #7: NO ONE IS PRO ABORTION.
Ummm yes, there are.
Nevermind, the labels are counter productive anyhow. You can pick multiple labels that basically mean the same thing it some are offensive and other preferred. Just like your use of climate change deniers. Accurate? Hmmmm perhaps. Man-made climate change denier? Accurate? More likely. But denier carries a certain connotation with it that just offends.
there are what? people that are pro-abortion? how does that work, exactly, being pro-abortion? just enjoy the idea of women terminating pregnancies for the sheer joy of it?
You don't have to enjoy it. Why would you have to get pleasure from it to be pro something?
explain to me what pro abortion means to you then.
For example. I’m also “for” aka “pro” gay marriage and I don’t plan on using it or getting any pleasure out of it.
your argument in semantics is ridiculous. i think you're just in one of your arguing moods again.
pro choice is not pro abortion and you know it. i abhor the idea of abortion. but i abhor the idea of a woman not having control over her own body slightly more.
i hope that clears that up.
being pro-gay marriage is being pro-equal rights. i'm not for everyone being married to the same sex. i'm for the idea that they can if that's who they choose to marry. come on, man.
Nah, I'm actually in a really great mood. It seems like you are not however.
It's not semantics. The only thing semantic about it is people that a pro-abortion trying to call themselves something different to feel better about it. But I don't know why. You are either for abortion being legal (PRO abortion) or you are against it (ANTI). You seem to think that me calling you pro-abortion means that you want to kill all babies yourself. It doesn't. It means I'm calling you some one that is for abortion legislation that makes it/keeps it legal. That's cool.
So upon further thought, I guess my # 7 was accurate. It just ruffled a few feathers I guess. Words do have meanings. Certain words and certain phrases make people real uncomfortable. The phrase pro choice dilutes what it is we're talking about. Not the same choice as choosing salad or soup with your dinner.
you can feel free to disagree with me without being a child.
Ohh, All of the above was that attempt to be adultish. But when that fails it's much more fun to then be childish it's very liberating. You know icebergs, hurricanes, tornadoes, sea-level variances, earthquakes and volcanoes, tidal waves natural disasters. never existed until after the Industrial Revolution. Emissions that come out of a volcanic blast, like the one in Hawaii a year and a half ago, lasted from May till September 5 months of all kinds of gases, and chemicals spewing into the sky, and filling up the ocean, reshaping the edge of that Island with super hot lava producing poisonous Steam. The blue around the edges is methane gas from all the trees burning up Underneath It All. https://youtu.be/Quq3YnRlRZY https://youtu.be/qTguVaYjYL8 But of course this kind of thing has no effect on climate change whatsoever. Not just this one but there are lots of volcanoes around the world going off all the time. That + 100 billion other variables = climate change. One of the first things I said today was you are a reasonable guy. And I meant it. I labeled you a reasonable guy. Did you listen to the song about Grey? it was meant to lighten the mood and be uplifting.
but you know, science and all.
There is more than one scientist in the world dude and they don't all say the same thing.
I know, just about 98% of them.
And those idiots would never factor in natural variables, because stupid.
So what is the remedy then to man-made climate change? Taxing people out of their bonnets? Massive regulatory burden that all gets passed down to Consumers. Kill jobs? What is the solution? And how long before we see notable improvements if we did everything the experts say? How long would it take for the sea levels to go down and the ice caps to restore themselves? What then would be the next crises that we all have to pay for?
Fair enough HFD. Why do you think The Divide on all subjects is so right down the middle on virtually everything with not much wiggle room?
1. God - No god 2. Consertive - Leftist 3. Pro Gun rights - Anti gun rights 4. Pro Police - Anti police 5. Anti Kaepernick - Pro Kaepernick 6. Patriotism - globalism 7. Pro-lifers - Pro abortionists 8. Pro Trumpers - Trump haters 9. Climate change is natural - man-made climate change we're all doomed, every human is guilty by default for sucking air. 10. Capitalism free market - socialism Etc 11. Non enlightend - enlightened 12. Pro fossil fuel energy pro nuclear energy - we all need to live in population centers and ride bicycles for transportation. 13. Small government - big government Im sure there's more i can't think of right now. *I understand that I'm in the minority in this forum. But what's amazing to me is we differ on almost everything A-Z. I made a positive comment about AOC, and/but I still got called out & challeged. That's cool. Its a fun challenge for me to try to find just 1 sliver of common ground on something. Even if I don't support AOC, I respect her and enjoy listening to her when she speaks. I like Greta Thunberg, she looks like a nice girl. I dont like the way The Left is using & exploiting her to advance Whatever the cause is. ________?
it's not all right down the middle. I think we all fall on different parts of the spectrum on any given issue, but yeah, if you force someone to choose between black and white without the benefit of explaining if they are in fact grey, then that's the perception you're going to have.
and as for your #7: NO ONE IS PRO ABORTION.
Ummm yes, there are.
Nevermind, the labels are counter productive anyhow. You can pick multiple labels that basically mean the same thing it some are offensive and other preferred. Just like your use of climate change deniers. Accurate? Hmmmm perhaps. Man-made climate change denier? Accurate? More likely. But denier carries a certain connotation with it that just offends.
there are what? people that are pro-abortion? how does that work, exactly, being pro-abortion? just enjoy the idea of women terminating pregnancies for the sheer joy of it?
You don't have to enjoy it. Why would you have to get pleasure from it to be pro something?
explain to me what pro abortion means to you then.
For example. I’m also “for” aka “pro” gay marriage and I don’t plan on using it or getting any pleasure out of it.
your argument in semantics is ridiculous. i think you're just in one of your arguing moods again.
pro choice is not pro abortion and you know it. i abhor the idea of abortion. but i abhor the idea of a woman not having control over her own body slightly more.
i hope that clears that up.
being pro-gay marriage is being pro-equal rights. i'm not for everyone being married to the same sex. i'm for the idea that they can if that's who they choose to marry. come on, man.
Nah, I'm actually in a really great mood. It seems like you are not however.
It's not semantics. The only thing semantic about it is people that a pro-abortion trying to call themselves something different to feel better about it. But I don't know why. You are either for abortion being legal (PRO abortion) or you are against it (ANTI). You seem to think that me calling you pro-abortion means that you want to kill all babies yourself. It doesn't. It means I'm calling you some one that is for abortion legislation that makes it/keeps it legal. That's cool.
i'm in a fine mood thank you.
wrong. i am for whatever legislation keeps the government from controlling our bodies. it can be about forced pregnancy, it can be about forced vaccination programs, etc.
if you wish to make the leap that a pro-choicer is pro-abortion, i guess the leap could also be made that pro-lifers are pro-coat hanger, pro-rape/incest, etc.
stop trying to be clever and making some point about labeling. it's not working.
Fair enough HFD. Why do you think The Divide on all subjects is so right down the middle on virtually everything with not much wiggle room?
1. God - No god 2. Consertive - Leftist 3. Pro Gun rights - Anti gun rights 4. Pro Police - Anti police 5. Anti Kaepernick - Pro Kaepernick 6. Patriotism - globalism 7. Pro-lifers - Pro abortionists 8. Pro Trumpers - Trump haters 9. Climate change is natural - man-made climate change we're all doomed, every human is guilty by default for sucking air. 10. Capitalism free market - socialism Etc 11. Non enlightend - enlightened 12. Pro fossil fuel energy pro nuclear energy - we all need to live in population centers and ride bicycles for transportation. 13. Small government - big government Im sure there's more i can't think of right now. *I understand that I'm in the minority in this forum. But what's amazing to me is we differ on almost everything A-Z. I made a positive comment about AOC, and/but I still got called out & challeged. That's cool. Its a fun challenge for me to try to find just 1 sliver of common ground on something. Even if I don't support AOC, I respect her and enjoy listening to her when she speaks. I like Greta Thunberg, she looks like a nice girl. I dont like the way The Left is using & exploiting her to advance Whatever the cause is. ________?
it's not all right down the middle. I think we all fall on different parts of the spectrum on any given issue, but yeah, if you force someone to choose between black and white without the benefit of explaining if they are in fact grey, then that's the perception you're going to have.
and as for your #7: NO ONE IS PRO ABORTION.
Ummm yes, there are.
Nevermind, the labels are counter productive anyhow. You can pick multiple labels that basically mean the same thing it some are offensive and other preferred. Just like your use of climate change deniers. Accurate? Hmmmm perhaps. Man-made climate change denier? Accurate? More likely. But denier carries a certain connotation with it that just offends.
there are what? people that are pro-abortion? how does that work, exactly, being pro-abortion? just enjoy the idea of women terminating pregnancies for the sheer joy of it?
You don't have to enjoy it. Why would you have to get pleasure from it to be pro something?
explain to me what pro abortion means to you then.
For example. I’m also “for” aka “pro” gay marriage and I don’t plan on using it or getting any pleasure out of it.
your argument in semantics is ridiculous. i think you're just in one of your arguing moods again.
pro choice is not pro abortion and you know it. i abhor the idea of abortion. but i abhor the idea of a woman not having control over her own body slightly more.
i hope that clears that up.
being pro-gay marriage is being pro-equal rights. i'm not for everyone being married to the same sex. i'm for the idea that they can if that's who they choose to marry. come on, man.
Nah, I'm actually in a really great mood. It seems like you are not however.
It's not semantics. The only thing semantic about it is people that a pro-abortion trying to call themselves something different to feel better about it. But I don't know why. You are either for abortion being legal (PRO abortion) or you are against it (ANTI). You seem to think that me calling you pro-abortion means that you want to kill all babies yourself. It doesn't. It means I'm calling you some one that is for abortion legislation that makes it/keeps it legal. That's cool.
i'm in a fine mood thank you.
wrong. i am for whatever legislation keeps the government from controlling our bodies. it can be about forced pregnancy, it can be about forced vaccination programs, etc.
if you wish to make the leap that a pro-choicer is pro-abortion, i guess the leap could also be made that pro-lifers are pro-coat hanger, pro-rape/incest, etc.
stop trying to be clever and making some point about labeling. it's not working.
Honestly, I do not understand why you are so bent out of shape on this. But clearly it struck a nerve. So I’m just going to let it go. I hope you have great holiday. It’s not my intention to be argumentative for arguments sake.
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So what is the remedy then to man-made climate change? Taxing people out of their bonnets? Massive regulatory burden that all gets passed down to Consumers. Kill jobs? What is the solution? And how long before we see notable improvements if we did everything the experts say? How long would it take for the sea levels to go down and the ice caps to restore themselves? What then would be the next crises that we all have to pay for?
Suggestions (these are to lessen the impact of global warning and slow it down. Better is always better than worse):
Have fewer kids/ adopt.
Plant trees. Millions upon millions of trees.
Drive less. Walk, car pool, ride share, take public transit more.
Reduce consumption.
When we do consume, buy the most durable goods. That means less waste and, in the long run, saving money.
Eat less meat, more vegetarian and vegan.
Adjust thermostats to reduce energy usage. (More clothes in the winter, less or none in the summer.)
Keep tires inflated properly.
Use less hot water.
Avoid products that use a lot of packaging.
Vote for environmentally aware and concerned candidates.
Improve education and teach critical thinking.
If we all did these common sense things, the world would be a lot better for us and all of life.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
So what is the remedy then to man-made climate change? Taxing people out of their bonnets? Massive regulatory burden that all gets passed down to Consumers. Kill jobs? What is the solution? And how long before we see notable improvements if we did everything the experts say? How long would it take for the sea levels to go down and the ice caps to restore themselves? What then would be the next crises that we all have to pay for?
Suggestions (these are to lessen the impact of global warning and slow it down. Better is always better than worse):
Have fewer kids/ adopt.
Plant trees. Millions upon millions of trees.
Drive less. Walk, car pool, ride share, take public transit more.
Reduce consumption.
When we do consume, buy the most durable goods. That means less waste and, in the long run, saving money.
Eat less meat, more vegetarian and vegan.
Adjust thermostats to reduce energy usage. (More clothes in the winter, less or none in the summer.)
Keep tires inflated properly.
Use less hot water.
Avoid products that use a lot of packaging.
Vote for environmentally aware and concerned candidates.
Improve education and teach critical thinking.
If we all did these common sense things, the world would be a lot better for us and all of life.
We have our own kids, if we could not have had kids on our own, we would have adopted a few. We do all of the above that you suggest. We eat a Mediterranean diet pretty much. We don't eat fast food we don't drink soda. We have a large garden we grow most of our vegetables, we can a lot of it so eat it year round. ( tomatoes, potatoes, green and red peppers, asparagus, sweet corn, pumpkins, cucumbers, we have five apple trees, two plum trees a patch of blackberries, and we grow grapes as well, it's one hell of a lot of work (weeding and tilling, before planting , then more weeding during the growing season, its on going or weeds will overtake your garden and you'll end up with nothing. Tilling in between Rose and on your hands and knees by hand around plants. it's pain in the f@$#ing ass) but that's what it takes. We buy from local farm markets, and things that we can't grow here like avocados and olives and We have a few gutters that empty water off the roof into 55 gallon barrels that I use to water the garden when it gets dry.( don't really have to do that we have really good well water.) I have a gutter running off the horses Barn into there 75 gallon water tub. Often times I don't have to fill it up myself. And if it overflows it overflows & it pretty much is self cleaning its great. And I find that my garden likes rain water better than cold well water from the ground. My dad and I have a tree farm in northern Wisconsin 55 Acres. Surrounded by thousands of Acres, and miles and miles of private Forest and Nicolet National Forest. On our spread, we have about 10 Acres of Cedar, Balsam, Tamarac, and a bunch of other plants I have no name for swamp!! About 20 acres of it Hardwoods black cherry, maple, primarily and whatever else grows there, white birch Aspen ect. And there was 25 Acres that was just a grassy field, so we planted 17,000 Norway Pines (red pine) with a pickup truck you attach a ( made for tree planting) wedge behind the truck that makes a Groove in the soil, groove, the driver drives slow the other guy puts a tiny Tree in the groove every few feet and the back of the thing pinches the soil around the roots when it comes by. So I think we're doing pretty good in that regard. There's no mass transit where I live it's pretty is pretty rural. So we have a couple horses, I first taught my wife how to ride, then my kids too. That's our fun when the weather is nice. We hunt we fish we ride bikes we Garden we split all our own firewood. We only cut up dead trees we don't ever cut down any live green trees unless they look like they're going to fall on someone's house in a storm. All those other things you mentioned I agree with no problem there! We try to do our part without being told what to do. I don't think it's the government's business to tell us how much water our toilets water reservoir can hold. Because sometimes you just need one good flush instead of two or three. I don't need the government in my bathroom.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/05/24/farmer-plowing-fine/339756001/
I don't know all the particulars, but if you search for Duarte Nursery you get plenty of different takes on the situation. I can't say that the fine or settlement were fair, but the "farmer" (I use that term loosely because our modern farmer isn't much different than a corporate CEO these days with the big AG industry) was aware of the waterways and the person he contracted didn't quite avoid them like he was supposed to. This was also over 450 acres that had recently been purchased and was not part of his generational farming land.
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That's what inspired my list of differences that I'm trying to find the gray in between so we can get along better.
( sorry this wasn't supposed to be a discussion about abortion, I should have said pro-choice my bad)
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Whatever
Where did the definition come from?
does that work for you?
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You know icebergs, hurricanes, tornadoes, sea-level variances, earthquakes and volcanoes, tidal waves natural disasters. never existed until after the Industrial Revolution.
Emissions that come out of a volcanic blast, like the one in Hawaii a year and a half ago, lasted from May till September 5 months of all kinds of gases, and chemicals spewing into the sky, and filling up the ocean, reshaping the edge of that Island with super hot lava producing poisonous Steam. The blue around the edges is methane gas from all the trees burning up Underneath It All.
But of course this kind of thing has no effect on climate change whatsoever. Not just this one but there are lots of volcanoes around the world going off all the time. That + 100 billion other variables = climate change.
One of the first things I said today was you are a reasonable guy. And I meant it.
I labeled you a reasonable guy. Did you listen to the song about Grey? it was meant to lighten the mood and be uplifting.
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pro choice is not pro abortion and you know it. i abhor the idea of abortion. but i abhor the idea of a woman not having control over her own body slightly more.
i hope that clears that up.
being pro-gay marriage is being pro-equal rights. i'm not for everyone being married to the same sex. i'm for the idea that they can if that's who they choose to marry. come on, man.
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It's not semantics. The only thing semantic about it is people that a pro-abortion trying to call themselves something different to feel better about it. But I don't know why. You are either for abortion being legal (PRO abortion) or you are against it (ANTI). You seem to think that me calling you pro-abortion means that you want to kill all babies yourself. It doesn't. It means I'm calling you some one that is for abortion legislation that makes it/keeps it legal. That's cool.
The phrase pro choice dilutes what it is we're talking about. Not the same choice as choosing salad or soup with your dinner.
And those idiots would never factor in natural variables, because stupid.
Taxing people out of their bonnets?
Massive regulatory burden that all gets passed down to Consumers. Kill jobs?
What is the solution?
And how long before we see notable improvements if we did everything the experts say? How long would it take for the sea levels to go down and the ice caps to restore themselves?
What then would be the next crises that we all have to pay for?
wrong. i am for whatever legislation keeps the government from controlling our bodies. it can be about forced pregnancy, it can be about forced vaccination programs, etc.
if you wish to make the leap that a pro-choicer is pro-abortion, i guess the leap could also be made that pro-lifers are pro-coat hanger, pro-rape/incest, etc.
stop trying to be clever and making some point about labeling. it's not working.
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(weeding and tilling, before planting , then more weeding during the growing season, its on going or weeds will overtake your garden and you'll end up with nothing. Tilling in between Rose and on your hands and knees by hand around plants. it's pain in the f@$#ing ass) but that's what it takes. We buy from local farm markets, and things that we can't grow here like avocados and olives and We have a few gutters that empty water off the roof into 55 gallon barrels that I use to water the garden when it gets dry.( don't really have to do that we have really good well water.) I have a gutter running off the horses Barn into there 75 gallon water tub. Often times I don't have to fill it up myself. And if it overflows it overflows & it pretty much is self cleaning its great. And I find that my garden likes rain water better than cold well water from the ground.
My dad and I have a tree farm in northern Wisconsin 55 Acres. Surrounded by thousands of Acres, and miles and miles of private Forest and Nicolet National Forest. On our spread, we have about 10 Acres of Cedar, Balsam, Tamarac, and a bunch of other plants I have no name for swamp!! About 20 acres of it Hardwoods black cherry, maple, primarily and whatever else grows there, white birch Aspen ect. And there was 25 Acres that was just a grassy field, so we planted 17,000 Norway Pines (red pine) with a pickup truck you attach a ( made for tree planting) wedge behind the truck that makes a Groove in the soil, groove, the driver drives slow the other guy puts a tiny Tree in the groove every few feet and the back of the thing pinches the soil around the roots when it comes by. So I think we're doing pretty good in that regard. There's no mass transit where I live it's pretty is pretty rural. So we have a couple horses, I first taught my wife how to ride, then my kids too. That's our fun when the weather is nice.
We hunt we fish we ride bikes we Garden we split all our own firewood. We only cut up dead trees we don't ever cut down any live green trees unless they look like they're going to fall on someone's house in a storm.
All those other things you mentioned I agree with no problem there! We try to do our part without being told what to do.
I don't think it's the government's business to tell us how much water our toilets water reservoir can hold.
Because sometimes you just need one good flush instead of two or three. I don't need the government in my bathroom.