The Democratic Presidential Debates

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CM189191 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/KaylahSF/status/1232130270599364608?s=20

https://twitter.com/manandabrother/status/1232149992636284928?s=20

Horse.
Shoe.

Bloomberg's & Bernie's only function in this race is to alienate moderate voters.  And to keep pushing 'the both sides are bad' narrative.  This only benefits the GOP.

The purpose of a canvass is in fact to determine support. A candidate's volunteer comes to your door, or calls you, to gauge how many voters are out there.

There are also messaging pollsters hired by candidates to determine how to frame their campaign.

It is not unusual for people to get these calls/polls if there name is on a mailing list somewhere because they donated or they are registered with a party.

I don't understand why these twats think it's media bias because they've been contacted by a campaign that they've already supported. The campaign is just keeping track, as all campaigns do. 

I get three texts a week. This week from Joe, Amy, and Liz. "Are you with us?" 

mrussel1

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

Ronald Reagan — 'If you're explaining, you're losing.'

This is exactly right and the sum of Bernie's problem from Sunday night.  It leaves him vulnerable to attacks and really,  honestly,  a rookie mistake for a seasoned pol. 

Looks like a mistake out of complete hubris. Like he doesn't feel like he needs to read the room (read: country) because it's going his way (for the time being) and he is so sure of being "right".

Don't you think it's just that he doesn't have as much of a filter as a typical politician? Even though I disagree with a lot of his platform, I've always respected him for shooting pretty straight. Maybe we're kinda saying the same thing, but I've never known him to be adverse to letting it all hang out.

seems like he's trying to use the trump playbook to be honest. no one ever held trump to account on any of his promises or claims. maybe he's hoping for the same. 

I don't know that's it's hubris (that's a very strong word) or just that it's central to his belief.  While that's admirable I suppose,  today there's simply no reason to find a bright side in Castro. I could find a bright side in Mengele's research,  but I wouldn't say it as a politician. 

pjl44

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

Ronald Reagan — 'If you're explaining, you're losing.'

This is exactly right and the sum of Bernie's problem from Sunday night.  It leaves him vulnerable to attacks and really,  honestly,  a rookie mistake for a seasoned pol. 

Looks like a mistake out of complete hubris. Like he doesn't feel like he needs to read the room (read: country) because it's going his way (for the time being) and he is so sure of being "right".

Don't you think it's just that he doesn't have as much of a filter as a typical politician? Even though I disagree with a lot of his platform, I've always respected him for shooting pretty straight. Maybe we're kinda saying the same thing, but I've never known him to be adverse to letting it all hang out.

seems like he's trying to use the trump playbook to be honest. no one ever held trump to account on any of his promises or claims. maybe he's hoping for the same. 

I'm tellin ya'....I think he's just being himself. It doesn't seem calculated. For better or worse. 

pjl44

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

Ronald Reagan — 'If you're explaining, you're losing.'

This is exactly right and the sum of Bernie's problem from Sunday night.  It leaves him vulnerable to attacks and really,  honestly,  a rookie mistake for a seasoned pol. 

Looks like a mistake out of complete hubris. Like he doesn't feel like he needs to read the room (read: country) because it's going his way (for the time being) and he is so sure of being "right".

Don't you think it's just that he doesn't have as much of a filter as a typical politician? Even though I disagree with a lot of his platform, I've always respected him for shooting pretty straight. Maybe we're kinda saying the same thing, but I've never known him to be adverse to letting it all hang out.

seems like he's trying to use the trump playbook to be honest. no one ever held trump to account on any of his promises or claims. maybe he's hoping for the same. 

I don't know that's it's hubris (that's a very strong word) or just that it's central to his belief.  While that's admirable I suppose,  today there's simply no reason to find a bright side in Castro. I could find a bright side in Mengele's research,  but I wouldn't say it as a politician. 

Don't you think he's likely pretty sympathetic to Castro? I had an uncle a little older than Bernie who was a dyed in the wool socialist. He left the US and lived in Costa Rica for about 20 years. I got to know him once he came back and he was very supportive of Castro and Chavez, even many years later. That was definitely a thing for people in that movement around that time.

mrussel1

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

Ronald Reagan — 'If you're explaining, you're losing.'

This is exactly right and the sum of Bernie's problem from Sunday night.  It leaves him vulnerable to attacks and really,  honestly,  a rookie mistake for a seasoned pol. 

Looks like a mistake out of complete hubris. Like he doesn't feel like he needs to read the room (read: country) because it's going his way (for the time being) and he is so sure of being "right".

Don't you think it's just that he doesn't have as much of a filter as a typical politician? Even though I disagree with a lot of his platform, I've always respected him for shooting pretty straight. Maybe we're kinda saying the same thing, but I've never known him to be adverse to letting it all hang out.

seems like he's trying to use the trump playbook to be honest. no one ever held trump to account on any of his promises or claims. maybe he's hoping for the same. 

I don't know that's it's hubris (that's a very strong word) or just that it's central to his belief.  While that's admirable I suppose,  today there's simply no reason to find a bright side in Castro. I could find a bright side in Mengele's research,  but I wouldn't say it as a politician. 

Don't you think he's likely pretty sympathetic to Castro? I had an uncle a little older than Bernie who was a dyed in the wool socialist. He left the US and lived in Costa Rica for about 20 years. I got to know him once he came back and he was very supportive of Castro and Chavez, even many years later. That was definitely a thing for people in that movement around that time.

Im sure he is.  And there's no political upside.  Sanders isn't having a good week.  The only reason it isn't worse is because the Dow lossy 1800 points,  dominating headlines. 

Ledbetterman10

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The Juggler said:

Praising Fidel Castro. 

https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1231809944921477120?s=20

exactly. 

exactly what now?

There's a big gap between praising their education system and praising Castro

Cuba's medical system is beyond reproach as well. 

you can praise one thing about one person and it not be all-encompassing. just because harvey weinstein is a rapist doesn't mean I am pro-rape if I say he's a good movie producer. 

This should be true, but unfortunately, it isn’t the case these days. Too many people today seem to have an “all or none” mentality with that sort of thing. To them, it IS all-encompassing. 

Look at Trump. If you say anything positive about something he does, or if there’s an aspect of his presidency that actually you like, a lot of people will call you racist or whatever other extreme insult you can call a Trump supporter. Even if your positive comment is inconsequential. Say, for example, someone on this board said that they liked his speech in India the other day. Some of the people around here would assume that person loves Trump and lump them in with Maga-hat wearers. That isn’t fair.

I agree with you 100%. I was called a trump supporter (HAHA) because I didn't draw and quarter him on an issue some time back. it's ludicrous. 

Yes, many of us have been

Yep, I think I sorta was yesterday. Whatever.

HughFreakingDillon

pjl44 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

Ronald Reagan — 'If you're explaining, you're losing.'

This is exactly right and the sum of Bernie's problem from Sunday night.  It leaves him vulnerable to attacks and really,  honestly,  a rookie mistake for a seasoned pol. 

Looks like a mistake out of complete hubris. Like he doesn't feel like he needs to read the room (read: country) because it's going his way (for the time being) and he is so sure of being "right".

Don't you think it's just that he doesn't have as much of a filter as a typical politician? Even though I disagree with a lot of his platform, I've always respected him for shooting pretty straight. Maybe we're kinda saying the same thing, but I've never known him to be adverse to letting it all hang out.

seems like he's trying to use the trump playbook to be honest. no one ever held trump to account on any of his promises or claims. maybe he's hoping for the same. 

I'm tellin ya'....I think he's just being himself. It doesn't seem calculated. For better or worse. 

which is also out of the trump playbook. LOL

Spiritual_Chaos

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1232341625206120448?s=20

Bentleyspop

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1232341625206120448?s=20

But but but SOCIALISTS!!!!

pjl44

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

Ronald Reagan — 'If you're explaining, you're losing.'

This is exactly right and the sum of Bernie's problem from Sunday night.  It leaves him vulnerable to attacks and really,  honestly,  a rookie mistake for a seasoned pol. 

Looks like a mistake out of complete hubris. Like he doesn't feel like he needs to read the room (read: country) because it's going his way (for the time being) and he is so sure of being "right".

Don't you think it's just that he doesn't have as much of a filter as a typical politician? Even though I disagree with a lot of his platform, I've always respected him for shooting pretty straight. Maybe we're kinda saying the same thing, but I've never known him to be adverse to letting it all hang out.

seems like he's trying to use the trump playbook to be honest. no one ever held trump to account on any of his promises or claims. maybe he's hoping for the same. 

I don't know that's it's hubris (that's a very strong word) or just that it's central to his belief.  While that's admirable I suppose,  today there's simply no reason to find a bright side in Castro. I could find a bright side in Mengele's research,  but I wouldn't say it as a politician. 

Don't you think he's likely pretty sympathetic to Castro? I had an uncle a little older than Bernie who was a dyed in the wool socialist. He left the US and lived in Costa Rica for about 20 years. I got to know him once he came back and he was very supportive of Castro and Chavez, even many years later. That was definitely a thing for people in that movement around that time.

Im sure he is.  And there's no political upside.  Sanders isn't having a good week.  The only reason it isn't worse is because the Dow lossy 1800 points,  dominating headlines. 

That and the specter of the debates this summer being held in remote locations with everyone wearing surgical masks

pjl44

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

Ronald Reagan — 'If you're explaining, you're losing.'

This is exactly right and the sum of Bernie's problem from Sunday night.  It leaves him vulnerable to attacks and really,  honestly,  a rookie mistake for a seasoned pol. 

Looks like a mistake out of complete hubris. Like he doesn't feel like he needs to read the room (read: country) because it's going his way (for the time being) and he is so sure of being "right".

Don't you think it's just that he doesn't have as much of a filter as a typical politician? Even though I disagree with a lot of his platform, I've always respected him for shooting pretty straight. Maybe we're kinda saying the same thing, but I've never known him to be adverse to letting it all hang out.

seems like he's trying to use the trump playbook to be honest. no one ever held trump to account on any of his promises or claims. maybe he's hoping for the same. 

I'm tellin ya'....I think he's just being himself. It doesn't seem calculated. For better or worse. 

which is also out of the trump playbook. LOL

If we get a legit old man fist fight on a debate stage in August, the last 5 years will all be worth it 

Spiritual_Chaos

https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1232317922548187138?s=20

F Me In The Brain

pjl44 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

Ronald Reagan — 'If you're explaining, you're losing.'

This is exactly right and the sum of Bernie's problem from Sunday night.  It leaves him vulnerable to attacks and really,  honestly,  a rookie mistake for a seasoned pol. 

Looks like a mistake out of complete hubris. Like he doesn't feel like he needs to read the room (read: country) because it's going his way (for the time being) and he is so sure of being "right".

Don't you think it's just that he doesn't have as much of a filter as a typical politician? Even though I disagree with a lot of his platform, I've always respected him for shooting pretty straight. Maybe we're kinda saying the same thing, but I've never known him to be adverse to letting it all hang out.

seems like he's trying to use the trump playbook to be honest. no one ever held trump to account on any of his promises or claims. maybe he's hoping for the same. 

I'm tellin ya'....I think he's just being himself. It doesn't seem calculated. For better or worse. 

which is also out of the trump playbook. LOL

If we get a legit old man fist fight on a debate stage in August, the last 5 years will all be worth it 

Trump can just fall on him.  Dude has to weigh north of three bills.  

The Juggler

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

Ronald Reagan — 'If you're explaining, you're losing.'

This is exactly right and the sum of Bernie's problem from Sunday night.  It leaves him vulnerable to attacks and really,  honestly,  a rookie mistake for a seasoned pol. 

Looks like a mistake out of complete hubris. Like he doesn't feel like he needs to read the room (read: country) because it's going his way (for the time being) and he is so sure of being "right".

Don't you think it's just that he doesn't have as much of a filter as a typical politician? Even though I disagree with a lot of his platform, I've always respected him for shooting pretty straight. Maybe we're kinda saying the same thing, but I've never known him to be adverse to letting it all hang out.

seems like he's trying to use the trump playbook to be honest. no one ever held trump to account on any of his promises or claims. maybe he's hoping for the same. 

I don't know that's it's hubris (that's a very strong word) or just that it's central to his belief.  While that's admirable I suppose,  today there's simply no reason to find a bright side in Castro. I could find a bright side in Mengele's research,  but I wouldn't say it as a politician. 

Don't you think he's likely pretty sympathetic to Castro? I had an uncle a little older than Bernie who was a dyed in the wool socialist. He left the US and lived in Costa Rica for about 20 years. I got to know him once he came back and he was very supportive of Castro and Chavez, even many years later. That was definitely a thing for people in that movement around that time.

Im sure he is.  And there's no political upside.  Sanders isn't having a good week.  The only reason it isn't worse is because the Dow lossy 1800 points,  dominating headlines. 

The problem I have is why is having this bad week right now? We've known about all of these deficiencies with his views/policies for YEARS. Why does the media start vetting him now, when it's almost too late? Very frustrating. 

Spiritual_Chaos

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

Ronald Reagan — 'If you're explaining, you're losing.'

This is exactly right and the sum of Bernie's problem from Sunday night.  It leaves him vulnerable to attacks and really,  honestly,  a rookie mistake for a seasoned pol. 

Looks like a mistake out of complete hubris. Like he doesn't feel like he needs to read the room (read: country) because it's going his way (for the time being) and he is so sure of being "right".

Don't you think it's just that he doesn't have as much of a filter as a typical politician? Even though I disagree with a lot of his platform, I've always respected him for shooting pretty straight. Maybe we're kinda saying the same thing, but I've never known him to be adverse to letting it all hang out.

seems like he's trying to use the trump playbook to be honest. no one ever held trump to account on any of his promises or claims. maybe he's hoping for the same. 

I don't know that's it's hubris (that's a very strong word) or just that it's central to his belief.  While that's admirable I suppose,  today there's simply no reason to find a bright side in Castro. I could find a bright side in Mengele's research,  but I wouldn't say it as a politician. 

Don't you think he's likely pretty sympathetic to Castro? I had an uncle a little older than Bernie who was a dyed in the wool socialist. He left the US and lived in Costa Rica for about 20 years. I got to know him once he came back and he was very supportive of Castro and Chavez, even many years later. That was definitely a thing for people in that movement around that time.

Im sure he is.  And there's no political upside.  Sanders isn't having a good week.  The only reason it isn't worse is because the Dow lossy 1800 points,  dominating headlines. 

The problem I have is why is having this bad week right now? We've known about all of these deficiencies with his views/policies for YEARS. Why does the media start vetting him now, when it's almost too late? Very frustrating. 

if you’ve known them for years. shouldnt your frustation lie in the media draghing out old shit. 

mickeyrat

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

Ronald Reagan — 'If you're explaining, you're losing.'

This is exactly right and the sum of Bernie's problem from Sunday night.  It leaves him vulnerable to attacks and really,  honestly,  a rookie mistake for a seasoned pol. 

Looks like a mistake out of complete hubris. Like he doesn't feel like he needs to read the room (read: country) because it's going his way (for the time being) and he is so sure of being "right".

Don't you think it's just that he doesn't have as much of a filter as a typical politician? Even though I disagree with a lot of his platform, I've always respected him for shooting pretty straight. Maybe we're kinda saying the same thing, but I've never known him to be adverse to letting it all hang out.

seems like he's trying to use the trump playbook to be honest. no one ever held trump to account on any of his promises or claims. maybe he's hoping for the same. 

I don't know that's it's hubris (that's a very strong word) or just that it's central to his belief.  While that's admirable I suppose,  today there's simply no reason to find a bright side in Castro. I could find a bright side in Mengele's research,  but I wouldn't say it as a politician. 

Don't you think he's likely pretty sympathetic to Castro? I had an uncle a little older than Bernie who was a dyed in the wool socialist. He left the US and lived in Costa Rica for about 20 years. I got to know him once he came back and he was very supportive of Castro and Chavez, even many years later. That was definitely a thing for people in that movement around that time.

Im sure he is.  And there's no political upside.  Sanders isn't having a good week.  The only reason it isn't worse is because the Dow lossy 1800 points,  dominating headlines. 

The problem I have is why is having this bad week right now? We've known about all of these deficiencies with his views/policies for YEARS. Why does the media start vetting him now, when it's almost too late? Very frustrating. 

should have been done at this level in 16...

mrussel1

The 60 minutes interview brought it all back up

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

The 60 minutes interview brought it all back up

so, does he sit for these kinds of interviews going forward?

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

The 60 minutes interview brought it all back up

so, does he sit for these kinds of interviews going forward?

Not doing so would just increase the trump comparisons. 

Spiritual_Chaos

He should do more town halls. He owns them. 

will be fun listen to the debate tomorrow. Sanders is gonna be attacked like hell.