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Yeah. True.cincybearcat said:
He said a modest increase in taxing Wall Street speculation. That is a lot of nothing. I’ll check the website.Spiritual_Chaos said:
But he did go into how to pay for it? What did you feel was left out? Him throwing out an excel document at a towm hall?cincybearcat said:
Yes it was in reply to cuomo who was trying to say that the estimates for cost were still 2X more than his sheet said he’d raise to pay. He gave cuomo the sheet and then didn’t want him to talk about it. I thought that was weird. As was the old man bababababap. Weird moment where he looked prepared to answer the question, I thought he was going to own the moment. He didn’tSpiritual_Chaos said:
Yes you are correct. The "I thought that question might show up" was to reference the guys question, I thought I heard difference tense.cincybearcat said:
No he pulled it out in response to the question from the audience. The question is you haven’t said how you will pay, so, how will you pay.Spiritual_Chaos said:
The question was, what is the difference between what you promise and what Trump promised. And he was answering that (in a politican's way. But he was answering it)cincybearcat said:
Before he went into the sheet he pulled out where he still didn’t answer the question. I guess I’ll check out the website later to see if it satisfies me.Spiritual_Chaos said:
He said Ba ba ba bap to be able to finish what he was saying when Cuomo was interrupting.cincybearcat said:Bernie tried to answer the question, said it would be on his website. Cuomo said it was still significantly less than the studies say will be needed. Bernie said “ba BA BA bap”.
he also told the guy asking the question to “trust me” that I’m different than trump when it comes to paying for his stuff. Trust me and believe me sound very similar
No need to Chris Mathews it.
When did he say "trust me" ?
Him pulling out the sheet - what to get ahead of the question he knew was coming from Cuomo about payment.
The ba-ba-bap is still about Cuomo interrupting.
sknce he knew it was coming I wanted him to spout some specifics and numbers."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Do you really follow Kaylah Paige and Cenk is a Union Buster on Twitter? Seriously? Or did you find these on your faceturd feed and thought you’d share because it’s illustrative of the groundswell of the bern? They’re about as believable as #queersagainstpete being a “political movement.” I’d digress into my thoughts about the bern, Cuba and burning 25 electoral votes in Florida but it’d be a waste of my time and effort.Spiritual_Chaos said:09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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cincybearcat said:
He said a modest increase in taxing Wall Street speculation. That is a lot of nothing. I’ll check the website.Spiritual_Chaos said:
But he did go into how to pay for it? What did you feel was left out? Him throwing out an excel document at a towm hall?cincybearcat said:
Yes it was in reply to cuomo who was trying to say that the estimates for cost were still 2X more than his sheet said he’d raise to pay. He gave cuomo the sheet and then didn’t want him to talk about it. I thought that was weird. As was the old man bababababap. Weird moment where he looked prepared to answer the question, I thought he was going to own the moment. He didn’tSpiritual_Chaos said:
Yes you are correct. The "I thought that question might show up" was to reference the guys question, I thought I heard difference tense.cincybearcat said:
No he pulled it out in response to the question from the audience. The question is you haven’t said how you will pay, so, how will you pay.Spiritual_Chaos said:
The question was, what is the difference between what you promise and what Trump promised. And he was answering that (in a politican's way. But he was answering it)cincybearcat said:
Before he went into the sheet he pulled out where he still didn’t answer the question. I guess I’ll check out the website later to see if it satisfies me.Spiritual_Chaos said:
He said Ba ba ba bap to be able to finish what he was saying when Cuomo was interrupting.cincybearcat said:Bernie tried to answer the question, said it would be on his website. Cuomo said it was still significantly less than the studies say will be needed. Bernie said “ba BA BA bap”.
he also told the guy asking the question to “trust me” that I’m different than trump when it comes to paying for his stuff. Trust me and believe me sound very similar
No need to Chris Mathews it.
When did he say "trust me" ?
Him pulling out the sheet - what to get ahead of the question he knew was coming from Cuomo about payment.
The ba-ba-bap is still about Cuomo interrupting.
sknce he knew it was coming I wanted him to spout some specifics and numbers.after 4 years, you might expect he might have had some definitive plans, not the populist trumpian vagaries...seems he took a page from the gop on healthcare. bloviate. bloviate. bloviate. and like the dog who caught the car, he doesnt know what to do now ....._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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I don't know what faceturd is. Are you sure it is a real site?Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you really follow Kaylah Paige and Cenk is a Union Buster on Twitter? Seriously? Or did you find these on your faceturd feed and thought you’d share because it’s illustrative of the groundswell of the bern? They’re about as believable as #queersagainstpete being a “political movement.” I’d digress into my thoughts about the bern, Cuba and burning 25 electoral votes in Florida but it’d be a waste of my time and effort.Spiritual_Chaos said:Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
and that is totally legit. his answer to Cooper was disastrous. and people should be very concerned about it. even if he knows it will never pass so he doesn't have to worry about the fiscal end of it, he still should have had a plan in the first place.cincybearcat said:
I’m far more concerned with how he is paying for stuff than any of the other stuff. Though some of the other stuff concerns me some.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:the problem with bernie's castro comments is you simply cannot, in today's reactive culture, say anything good about anyone bad because that turns into you thinking that person, who was bad, was all good, and you get destroyed for it. people can't take facts. it's all emotion and outrage. and it's intellectually destroying all discourse.
if only the MSM would take trumpers to task like they are doing to the democratic candidates, we might have a somewhat sane system right now.
I totally agree. Bernie's statement was misunderstood and twisted by the even more twisted media that exists today. What a mess!Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
exactly what now?HughFreakingDillon said:
exactly.Spiritual_Chaos said:
There's a big gap between praising their education system and praising Castro
Cuba's medical system is beyond reproach as well.0 -
Are we not acknowledging that Sanders has been effusive about Cuba and Castro for years? That's why the questions come up. It's central to his ideology, not an isolated offhanded comment.
And I'm not one of these people that faints if a politician speaks well of socialist governments. I would argue vehemently against it, but it's not unreasonable to hold that position.0 -
you can praise one thing about one person and it not be all-encompassing. just because harvey weinstein is a rapist doesn't mean I am pro-rape if I say he's a good movie producer.CM189191 said:
exactly what now?HughFreakingDillon said:
exactly.Spiritual_Chaos said:
There's a big gap between praising their education system and praising Castro
Cuba's medical system is beyond reproach as well.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
You still didn’t answer the first question posed, now did you? Seems like child like avoidance to me. Putin on the ritz paying you in cookies?Spiritual_Chaos said:
I don't know what faceturd is. Are you sure it is a real site? Sounds like a childish wordplay.Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you really follow Kaylah Paige and Cenk is a Union Buster on Twitter? Seriously? Or did you find these on your faceturd feed and thought you’d share because it’s illustrative of the groundswell of the bern? They’re about as believable as #queersagainstpete being a “political movement.” I’d digress into my thoughts about the bern, Cuba and burning 25 electoral votes in Florida but it’d be a waste of my time and effort.Spiritual_Chaos said:09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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A bit shitty tactical to not really make sure to stress the FIDEL CASTRO WAS SATAN part during an election though.HughFreakingDillon said:
you can praise one thing about one person and it not be all-encompassing. just because harvey weinstein is a rapist doesn't mean I am pro-rape if I say he's a good movie producer.CM189191 said:
exactly what now?HughFreakingDillon said:
exactly.Spiritual_Chaos said:
There's a big gap between praising their education system and praising Castro
Cuba's medical system is beyond reproach as well.
I mean who hasn't said Hitler building the autobahn was a good thing or said it was visually spot on for him picking that aesthetically pleasing white stripes color scheme? But you always remember to stress THAT HE WAS SATAN.tounge in cheek post obviously
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I don't use twitter. Or twitturdHalifax2TheMax said:
You still didn’t answer the first question posed, now did you? Seems like child like avoidance to me. Putin on the ritz paying you in cookies?Spiritual_Chaos said:
I don't know what faceturd is. Are you sure it is a real site? Sounds like a childish wordplay.Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you really follow Kaylah Paige and Cenk is a Union Buster on Twitter? Seriously? Or did you find these on your faceturd feed and thought you’d share because it’s illustrative of the groundswell of the bern? They’re about as believable as #queersagainstpete being a “political movement.” I’d digress into my thoughts about the bern, Cuba and burning 25 electoral votes in Florida but it’d be a waste of my time and effort.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And it's hard reading your posts. Not saying your wordplay is bad - but it's no Paul Stanleys "you're good looking, and you're looking like you should be good"Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
So, if you don’t use Twitter, how do you come across so much social media twitter posts and why do you share them? Do you trust them as reliable and viable, as coming from an actual twitter or are you just posting propaganda to spread the bern?Spiritual_Chaos said:
I don't use twitter. Or twitturdHalifax2TheMax said:
You still didn’t answer the first question posed, now did you? Seems like child like avoidance to me. Putin on the ritz paying you in cookies?Spiritual_Chaos said:
I don't know what faceturd is. Are you sure it is a real site? Sounds like a childish wordplay.Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you really follow Kaylah Paige and Cenk is a Union Buster on Twitter? Seriously? Or did you find these on your faceturd feed and thought you’d share because it’s illustrative of the groundswell of the bern? They’re about as believable as #queersagainstpete being a “political movement.” I’d digress into my thoughts about the bern, Cuba and burning 25 electoral votes in Florida but it’d be a waste of my time and effort.Spiritual_Chaos said:09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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If you tell me the the best thing about Bernie (And being honest), then I might just let you in on that secret.Halifax2TheMax said:
So, if you don’t use Twitter, how do you come across so much social media twitter posts and why do you share them? Do you trust them as reliable and viable, as coming from an actual twitter or are you just posting propaganda to spread the bern?Spiritual_Chaos said:
I don't use twitter. Or twitturdHalifax2TheMax said:
You still didn’t answer the first question posed, now did you? Seems like child like avoidance to me. Putin on the ritz paying you in cookies?Spiritual_Chaos said:
I don't know what faceturd is. Are you sure it is a real site? Sounds like a childish wordplay.Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you really follow Kaylah Paige and Cenk is a Union Buster on Twitter? Seriously? Or did you find these on your faceturd feed and thought you’d share because it’s illustrative of the groundswell of the bern? They’re about as believable as #queersagainstpete being a “political movement.” I’d digress into my thoughts about the bern, Cuba and burning 25 electoral votes in Florida but it’d be a waste of my time and effort.Spiritual_Chaos said:"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:
you can praise one thing about one person and it not be all-encompassing. just because harvey weinstein is a rapist doesn't mean I am pro-rape if I say he's a good movie producer.CM189191 said:
exactly what now?HughFreakingDillon said:
exactly.Spiritual_Chaos said:
There's a big gap between praising their education system and praising Castro
Cuba's medical system is beyond reproach as well.This should be true, but unfortunately, it isn’t the case these days. Too many people today seem to have an “all or none” mentality with that sort of thing. To them, it IS all-encompassing.Look at Trump. If you say anything positive about something he does, or if there’s an aspect of his presidency that actually you like, a lot of people will call you racist or whatever other extreme insult you can call a Trump supporter. Even if your positive comment is inconsequential. Say, for example, someone on this board said that they liked his speech in India the other day. Some of the people around here would assume that person loves Trump and lump them in with Maga-hat wearers. That isn’t fair.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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Name an inconsequential positive things one could say about Trumps presidency without it being a far fetched "Say, for example"-example like him having a good speech? Curious what it could be, hah.Ledbetterman10 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
you can praise one thing about one person and it not be all-encompassing. just because harvey weinstein is a rapist doesn't mean I am pro-rape if I say he's a good movie producer.CM189191 said:
exactly what now?HughFreakingDillon said:
exactly.Spiritual_Chaos said:
There's a big gap between praising their education system and praising Castro
Cuba's medical system is beyond reproach as well.This should be true, but unfortunately, it isn’t the case these days. Too many people today seem to have an “all or none” mentality with that sort of thing. To them, it IS all-encompassing.Look at Trump. If you say anything positive about something he does, or if there’s an aspect of his presidency that actually you like, a lot of people will call you racist or whatever other extreme insult you can call a Trump supporter. Even if your positive comment is inconsequential. Say, for example, someone on this board said that they liked his speech in India the other day. Some of the people around here would assume that person loves Trump and lump them in with Maga-hat wearers. That isn’t fair.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
He’s old, with age comes wisdom, and he was mayor of Burlington, VT.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If you tell me the the best thing about Bernie (And being honest), then I might just let you in on that secret.Halifax2TheMax said:
So, if you don’t use Twitter, how do you come across so much social media twitter posts and why do you share them? Do you trust them as reliable and viable, as coming from an actual twitter or are you just posting propaganda to spread the bern?Spiritual_Chaos said:
I don't use twitter. Or twitturdHalifax2TheMax said:
You still didn’t answer the first question posed, now did you? Seems like child like avoidance to me. Putin on the ritz paying you in cookies?Spiritual_Chaos said:
I don't know what faceturd is. Are you sure it is a real site? Sounds like a childish wordplay.Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you really follow Kaylah Paige and Cenk is a Union Buster on Twitter? Seriously? Or did you find these on your faceturd feed and thought you’d share because it’s illustrative of the groundswell of the bern? They’re about as believable as #queersagainstpete being a “political movement.” I’d digress into my thoughts about the bern, Cuba and burning 25 electoral votes in Florida but it’d be a waste of my time and effort.Spiritual_Chaos said:09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Well I didn’t see the speech so I can’t speak to whether it was good or not. Typical of you to focus on that and ignore the point though. The point is that Hugh’s “all-encompassing” argument goes tenfold for Trump.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Name an inconsequential positive things one could say about Trumps presidency without it being a far fetched "Say, for example"-example like him having a good speech.Ledbetterman10 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
you can praise one thing about one person and it not be all-encompassing. just because harvey weinstein is a rapist doesn't mean I am pro-rape if I say he's a good movie producer.CM189191 said:
exactly what now?HughFreakingDillon said:
exactly.Spiritual_Chaos said:
There's a big gap between praising their education system and praising Castro
Cuba's medical system is beyond reproach as well.This should be true, but unfortunately, it isn’t the case these days. Too many people today seem to have an “all or none” mentality with that sort of thing. To them, it IS all-encompassing.Look at Trump. If you say anything positive about something he does, or if there’s an aspect of his presidency that actually you like, a lot of people will call you racist or whatever other extreme insult you can call a Trump supporter. Even if your positive comment is inconsequential. Say, for example, someone on this board said that they liked his speech in India the other day. Some of the people around here would assume that person loves Trump and lump them in with Maga-hat wearers. That isn’t fair.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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I know. It just made me curious about Trump and him having positives.Ledbetterman10 said:
Well I didn’t see the speech so I can’t speak to whether it was good or not. Typical of you to focus on that and ignore the point though. The point is that Hugh’s “all-encompassing” argument goes tenfold for Trump.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Name an inconsequential positive things one could say about Trumps presidency without it being a far fetched "Say, for example"-example like him having a good speech.Ledbetterman10 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
you can praise one thing about one person and it not be all-encompassing. just because harvey weinstein is a rapist doesn't mean I am pro-rape if I say he's a good movie producer.CM189191 said:
exactly what now?HughFreakingDillon said:
exactly.Spiritual_Chaos said:
There's a big gap between praising their education system and praising Castro
Cuba's medical system is beyond reproach as well.This should be true, but unfortunately, it isn’t the case these days. Too many people today seem to have an “all or none” mentality with that sort of thing. To them, it IS all-encompassing.Look at Trump. If you say anything positive about something he does, or if there’s an aspect of his presidency that actually you like, a lot of people will call you racist or whatever other extreme insult you can call a Trump supporter. Even if your positive comment is inconsequential. Say, for example, someone on this board said that they liked his speech in India the other day. Some of the people around here would assume that person loves Trump and lump them in with Maga-hat wearers. That isn’t fair."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I can’t think of any myself. But to someone else, there’s probably a lot.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I know. It just made me curious about Trump and him having positives.Ledbetterman10 said:
Well I didn’t see the speech so I can’t speak to whether it was good or not. Typical of you to focus on that and ignore the point though. The point is that Hugh’s “all-encompassing” argument goes tenfold for Trump.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Name an inconsequential positive things one could say about Trumps presidency without it being a far fetched "Say, for example"-example like him having a good speech.Ledbetterman10 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
you can praise one thing about one person and it not be all-encompassing. just because harvey weinstein is a rapist doesn't mean I am pro-rape if I say he's a good movie producer.CM189191 said:
exactly what now?HughFreakingDillon said:
exactly.Spiritual_Chaos said:
There's a big gap between praising their education system and praising Castro
Cuba's medical system is beyond reproach as well.This should be true, but unfortunately, it isn’t the case these days. Too many people today seem to have an “all or none” mentality with that sort of thing. To them, it IS all-encompassing.Look at Trump. If you say anything positive about something he does, or if there’s an aspect of his presidency that actually you like, a lot of people will call you racist or whatever other extreme insult you can call a Trump supporter. Even if your positive comment is inconsequential. Say, for example, someone on this board said that they liked his speech in India the other day. Some of the people around here would assume that person loves Trump and lump them in with Maga-hat wearers. That isn’t fair.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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I think people are missing the point on the Sanders story.
1. It's very much in character for him to praise Castro. It's his ideology and not the first time. In a vacuum he is certainly free to do that.
2. There are many Cuban (or Venezuelan) immigrants and children of who will have a VERY negative reaction to an American politician praising Castro (or Chavez) for any reason. Many live in Florida.
3. These House *Democrats* from Florida and elsewhere came out swiftly with strongly worded rebukes because they know this is a HUGE issue for a large portion of their constituents. They themselves have seats to defend in November.
This is not a manufactured issue. If you know or run into a Cuban-American, ask them about Castro. I had 3 Cuban coworkers at my last job. Best of luck in explaining to them how they should apply some nuance and not blow a comment out of proportion. I would be very interested to hear how that goes.0
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