The Democratic Presidential Debates

Lerxst1992

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Just checked in and looking at the gorgeous capital of our mixed economy, here in the Financial District.   Granted it's not as pretty as Stalingrad, as I don't see any trains to Siberia filled with dissidents,  but one can hope one day we'll achieve the Marxist dream that is so successful. 

We watched miracle in class today.  I swear all the Russian hickey players were probably killed after that olympics. Can’t bekieve it was forty years ago yesterday. 

A bunch of them went on to play in the NHL. (Many years after, though.)

One in fact, went on to win four consecutive Stanley cups. Take that King Henrik.

mrussel1

Lerxst1992 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Just checked in and looking at the gorgeous capital of our mixed economy, here in the Financial District.   Granted it's not as pretty as Stalingrad, as I don't see any trains to Siberia filled with dissidents,  but one can hope one day we'll achieve the Marxist dream that is so successful. 

We watched miracle in class today.  I swear all the Russian hickey players were probably killed after that olympics. Can’t bekieve it was forty years ago yesterday. 

A bunch of them went on to play in the NHL. (Many years after, though.)

One in fact, went on to win four consecutive Stanley cups. Take that King Henrik.

ESPN had a big write up on Pavelivich last week.  He is really struggling and in a criminal psych ward.  CTE is suspected.  

CM189191

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The Juggler said:

mcgruff10 said:

The Juggler said:

This is pathetic

Cooper: Do you know how all -- how much though? I mean, do you have a price tag for -- for all of this?

Sanders: We do. I mean, you know, and -- and-- the price tag is -- it will be substantially less than letting the current system go. I think it's about $30 trillion.

Cooper: That's just for "Medicare for All," you're talking about?

Sanders: That's just "Medicare for All," yes.

Cooper: Do you have -- a price tag for all of these things?

Sanders: No, I don't. We try to -- no, you mentioned making public colleges and universities tuition free and canceling all student debt, that's correct. That's what I want to do. We pay for that through a modest tax on Wall Street speculation.

Cooper: But you say you don't know what the total price is, but you know how it's gonna be paid for. How do you know it's gonna be paid for if you don't know how much the price is?

Sanders: Well, I can't -- you know, I can't rattle off to you every nickel and every dime. But we have accounted for -- you -- you talked about "Medicare for All." We have options out there that will pay for it.

He is such a moron.  How anyone is voting for this guy is beyond me.  

I don't know about the moron part....

But yeah, will be interesting to see if these other candidates actually go after him tomorrow night or if they'll continue to go after the guy who's not even on a ballot until Super Tuesday.

I wonder how much Bernie is paying Liz....

They have been going after him for a long time about not knowing how to pay for it. Especially Biden

And Liz is digging at Bernie every interview. Keep up

Build the Wall : MAGAts :: Medicare for All : Bernie Bros

mcgruff10

Lerxst1992 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Just checked in and looking at the gorgeous capital of our mixed economy, here in the Financial District.   Granted it's not as pretty as Stalingrad, as I don't see any trains to Siberia filled with dissidents,  but one can hope one day we'll achieve the Marxist dream that is so successful. 

We watched miracle in class today.  I swear all the Russian hickey players were probably killed after that olympics. Can’t bekieve it was forty years ago yesterday. 

A bunch of them went on to play in the NHL. (Many years after, though.)

One in fact, went on to win four consecutive Stanley cups. Take that King Henrik.

I loved henrik for a long time but he is done.  The new Russian goalie is the real deal.  
Side note: my favorite player of all time is Adam graves. 

Lerxst1992

F Me In The Brain said:

Lerxst1992 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Lerxst1992 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

ecdanc said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mrussel1 said:

what dreams said:

@mrussel1 check out the 586 polling site and do a search for VA 2020. They have VA going to Trump by a few points no matter who he's up against.

I don't see it.  I assume you mean 538. The most recent look is from a few days ago and every D wins. 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

They had Hillary in a runaway in 2016, didn't they?

No

Looks to me like they did....

It was as low as 64% the week of the election and the national average must be considered with their state averages to get a clearer understanding. 

538 had the 3 tipping point states at 1% in 2016.

Yes my runaway wording was wrong, I see that.

Looking at their final 2016 forecast, though, only supports my question as to why I would care about their polling.

With all items considered they stated that there was only a 10.5% chance that Clinton would win the popular vote but lose the electoral college.

Polling and these sorts of things proved to be unreliable last go-around and I do not put any faith in them this time.

This is a very unfair portrayal of 538. If we look at their state analysis, which is how we pick presidents, the huge  warning signs were there.


Further if we recall the facts and circumstances on the day these odds were set... it was the day after Comey cleared clinton of the supposed new evidence on Weiners computer.

IIRC Nate Silver explained at the time there wasn't enough time to poll this "exoneration " and they had alot of guesswork the final few days accounting for Comey's last minute exoneration. 



#trumpisminvadesAMT

Not sure what the hashtag there is meant to imply, but trying to convince me to trust 538 or any other polling in what they show us now is a lost cause.  I am glad that they are things that you like - and that there are others who get something from them.

None of it matters with regard to the debates, the nominee, or the general election.  I will vote for whomever opposes the large, orange, man in the Oval Office currently.

538 takes the aggregate and weighs each poll based on their historical accuracy and evidence it provides for its sampling techniques. Its the best attempt at statistical info and not perfect

Real Clear Politics is simply a basic average of all polls, which can be very inaccurate 

538 is usually a good indicator and after the Comey letter went out, they raised trump to 36% and I was literally peeing in my pants from fear.

F Me In The Brain

mcgruff10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Just checked in and looking at the gorgeous capital of our mixed economy, here in the Financial District.   Granted it's not as pretty as Stalingrad, as I don't see any trains to Siberia filled with dissidents,  but one can hope one day we'll achieve the Marxist dream that is so successful. 

We watched miracle in class today.  I swear all the Russian hickey players were probably killed after that olympics. Can’t bekieve it was forty years ago yesterday. 

A bunch of them went on to play in the NHL. (Many years after, though.)

One in fact, went on to win four consecutive Stanley cups. Take that King Henrik.

I loved henrik for a long time but he is done.  The new Russian goalie is the real deal.  
Side note: my favorite player of all time is Adam graves. 

F #9 - overrated!                        (busting Rangers chops is a favorite past time of mine, my brother is a hard core Rangers fan)

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Just checked in and looking at the gorgeous capital of our mixed economy, here in the Financial District.   Granted it's not as pretty as Stalingrad, as I don't see any trains to Siberia filled with dissidents,  but one can hope one day we'll achieve the Marxist dream that is so successful. 

We watched miracle in class today.  I swear all the Russian hickey players were probably killed after that olympics. Can’t bekieve it was forty years ago yesterday. 

A bunch of them went on to play in the NHL. (Many years after, though.)

One in fact, went on to win four consecutive Stanley cups. Take that King Henrik.

ESPN had a big write up on Pavelivich last week.  He is really struggling and in a criminal psych ward.  CTE is suspected.  

Very sad news.

I was referring to Kenny Morrow. Went from Miracle on Ice to four Cups.

Take that King Henrik 

mcgruff10

F Me In The Brain said:

mcgruff10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Just checked in and looking at the gorgeous capital of our mixed economy, here in the Financial District.   Granted it's not as pretty as Stalingrad, as I don't see any trains to Siberia filled with dissidents,  but one can hope one day we'll achieve the Marxist dream that is so successful. 

We watched miracle in class today.  I swear all the Russian hickey players were probably killed after that olympics. Can’t bekieve it was forty years ago yesterday. 

A bunch of them went on to play in the NHL. (Many years after, though.)

One in fact, went on to win four consecutive Stanley cups. Take that King Henrik.

I loved henrik for a long time but he is done.  The new Russian goalie is the real deal.  
Side note: my favorite player of all time is Adam graves. 

F #9 - overrated!                        (busting Rangers chops is a favorite past time of mine, my brother is a hard core Rangers fan)

1994 was a loooooong time ago. 

Lerxst1992

mcgruff10 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Does anyone know who we write to if we think one of the moderators is racist?

I think they know you're just trying to stir shit with your "On Whiteness" thread. 

These boards have a big time whiteness problem; I thought we should talk about it. I guess the mods are anti-anti-racist. 

Those damn moderators. Censoring a college professor who just wants to show us all the way. 

Someone just got banned. 

 Permanent? What did I miss today? Uh oh there is a white related closed topic. 

mrussel1

mcgruff10 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mcgruff10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Just checked in and looking at the gorgeous capital of our mixed economy, here in the Financial District.   Granted it's not as pretty as Stalingrad, as I don't see any trains to Siberia filled with dissidents,  but one can hope one day we'll achieve the Marxist dream that is so successful. 

We watched miracle in class today.  I swear all the Russian hickey players were probably killed after that olympics. Can’t bekieve it was forty years ago yesterday. 

A bunch of them went on to play in the NHL. (Many years after, though.)

One in fact, went on to win four consecutive Stanley cups. Take that King Henrik.

I loved henrik for a long time but he is done.  The new Russian goalie is the real deal.  
Side note: my favorite player of all time is Adam graves. 

F #9 - overrated!                        (busting Rangers chops is a favorite past time of mine, my brother is a hard core Rangers fan)

1994 was a loooooong time ago. 

Are you Devils or Rangers?

Spiritual_Chaos

Lerxst1992 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Does anyone know who we write to if we think one of the moderators is racist?

I think they know you're just trying to stir shit with your "On Whiteness" thread. 

These boards have a big time whiteness problem; I thought we should talk about it. I guess the mods are anti-anti-racist. 

Those damn moderators. Censoring a college professor who just wants to show us all the way. 

Someone just got banned. 

 Permanent? What did I miss today? Uh oh there is a white related closed topic. 

Should have been clarified when closed why it was.  transparancy etc 

F Me In The Brain

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mcgruff10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Just checked in and looking at the gorgeous capital of our mixed economy, here in the Financial District.   Granted it's not as pretty as Stalingrad, as I don't see any trains to Siberia filled with dissidents,  but one can hope one day we'll achieve the Marxist dream that is so successful. 

We watched miracle in class today.  I swear all the Russian hickey players were probably killed after that olympics. Can’t bekieve it was forty years ago yesterday. 

A bunch of them went on to play in the NHL. (Many years after, though.)

One in fact, went on to win four consecutive Stanley cups. Take that King Henrik.

I loved henrik for a long time but he is done.  The new Russian goalie is the real deal.  
Side note: my favorite player of all time is Adam graves. 

F #9 - overrated!                        (busting Rangers chops is a favorite past time of mine, my brother is a hard core Rangers fan)

1994 was a loooooong time ago. 

Are you Devils or Rangers?

He is Yankees, so almost has to be Yankees/Giants/Rangers, right?  They tend to align... 

Spiritual_Chaos

Did you know that Bernie is the best at sports out of all the candidates?

OnWis97

mcgruff10 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Just checked in and looking at the gorgeous capital of our mixed economy, here in the Financial District.   Granted it's not as pretty as Stalingrad, as I don't see any trains to Siberia filled with dissidents,  but one can hope one day we'll achieve the Marxist dream that is so successful. 

We watched miracle in class today.  I swear all the Russian hickey players were probably killed after that olympics. Can’t bekieve it was forty years ago yesterday. 

A bunch of them went on to play in the NHL. (Many years after, though.)

I did not know that.  None of the us players went pro from what I remember.  

Several did go pro, but only a handful had sustained pro careers...and even those that did were crazy young at that point.  Neal Broten, for example, arguably the best NHLer of the bunch was 19, I think.  I think it's hard to relate to nowadays given what the Olympics are but a bunch of US college players beating out the best team in the world was truly bonkers.

mcgruff10

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mcgruff10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Just checked in and looking at the gorgeous capital of our mixed economy, here in the Financial District.   Granted it's not as pretty as Stalingrad, as I don't see any trains to Siberia filled with dissidents,  but one can hope one day we'll achieve the Marxist dream that is so successful. 

We watched miracle in class today.  I swear all the Russian hickey players were probably killed after that olympics. Can’t bekieve it was forty years ago yesterday. 

A bunch of them went on to play in the NHL. (Many years after, though.)

One in fact, went on to win four consecutive Stanley cups. Take that King Henrik.

I loved henrik for a long time but he is done.  The new Russian goalie is the real deal.  
Side note: my favorite player of all time is Adam graves. 

F #9 - overrated!                        (busting Rangers chops is a favorite past time of mine, my brother is a hard core Rangers fan)

1994 was a loooooong time ago. 

Are you Devils or Rangers?

Long suffering rangers fan. 

mcgruff10

F Me In The Brain said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mcgruff10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Just checked in and looking at the gorgeous capital of our mixed economy, here in the Financial District.   Granted it's not as pretty as Stalingrad, as I don't see any trains to Siberia filled with dissidents,  but one can hope one day we'll achieve the Marxist dream that is so successful. 

We watched miracle in class today.  I swear all the Russian hickey players were probably killed after that olympics. Can’t bekieve it was forty years ago yesterday. 

A bunch of them went on to play in the NHL. (Many years after, though.)

One in fact, went on to win four consecutive Stanley cups. Take that King Henrik.

I loved henrik for a long time but he is done.  The new Russian goalie is the real deal.  
Side note: my favorite player of all time is Adam graves. 

F #9 - overrated!                        (busting Rangers chops is a favorite past time of mine, my brother is a hard core Rangers fan)

1994 was a loooooong time ago. 

Are you Devils or Rangers?

He is Yankees, so almost has to be Yankees/Giants/Rangers, right?  They tend to align... 

That would be correct.  Norte dame for college football. 

mickeyrat

mcgruff10 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mcgruff10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Just checked in and looking at the gorgeous capital of our mixed economy, here in the Financial District.   Granted it's not as pretty as Stalingrad, as I don't see any trains to Siberia filled with dissidents,  but one can hope one day we'll achieve the Marxist dream that is so successful. 

We watched miracle in class today.  I swear all the Russian hickey players were probably killed after that olympics. Can’t bekieve it was forty years ago yesterday. 

A bunch of them went on to play in the NHL. (Many years after, though.)

One in fact, went on to win four consecutive Stanley cups. Take that King Henrik.

I loved henrik for a long time but he is done.  The new Russian goalie is the real deal.  
Side note: my favorite player of all time is Adam graves. 

F #9 - overrated!                        (busting Rangers chops is a favorite past time of mine, my brother is a hard core Rangers fan)

1994 was a loooooong time ago. 

Are you Devils or Rangers?

He is Yankees, so almost has to be Yankees/Giants/Rangers, right?  They tend to align... 

That would be correct.  Norte dame for college football. 

NORTE Dame. some fan....

The Juggler

This is the kind of republican democrats need in December...
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/483844-ill-sit-out-this-presidential-election-because-of-the-yahoos-running

I'll sit out this presidential election because of the yahoos running

BY BERNARD GOLDBERG, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 02/24/20 09:00 AM EST  2,680

 

When former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger was asked what he thought about the Iran-Iraq war, he said, “It’s a pity they both can’t lose.”

Funny, but that’s how I feel about Donald Trump and whomever the Democrats pick to run against him in November.

Let’s start with the president. I’m a Republican, a conservative, and I wish I could vote for him. But I can’t. It’s not his policies that annoy the heck out of me. It’s he who annoys the heck out of me.

He is a man of bad character. A good man, someone who is decent, doesn’t enjoy humiliating people — something that President Trump does with unfortunate regularity.

It’s not enough for him to tell his gazillion Twitter followers that Michael Bloomberg is too liberal and doesn’t deserve to be elected. Instead, he tweets that “Mini Mike Bloomberg is a LOSER.”

Mini Mike? What does former New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg’s height have to do with anything? It’s a cheap shot designed to embarrass a political opponent. It’s childish.

He says Bloomberg is a “5 foot 4 mass of dead energy” who wants to stand on a box at presidential debates to avoid looking short.

Where’d that come from? There’s no evidence that Bloomberg ever said he wanted to stand on a box, and according to his medical records, he’s 5 feet, 7 inches, not 5 feet, 4 inches.

So what if Trump just made it up. Among the traits I don’t like about him is that he lies with frequency. Over matters big and small, important and insignificant.

It’s too bad that Trump has so many character flaws. Too bad because, as I say, I want to vote for the Republican candidate for president; yet, thanks to Trump, I won’t be voting for him in November.

That I find him so unlikeable, in case you’re wondering, won’t drive me into the arms of the Democrats. Their party has lurched so far to the left that I couldn’t possibly support any of their candidates. 

Even the Democrats’ “moderates” are left-wingers. They don’t see the same America I do. Their America is a dark place, where only the super-rich are doing well, where ordinary Americans need two or three jobs to put food on the table, a place where racism is ingrained in the nation’s DNA. For Democrats running for president, the glass is always half empty — if that. 

And Democrats were out to impeach Trump from the moment he was elected in 2016. You don’t have to like our president to dislike that. There’s no way I’d vote for any of them.

I thought Trump was civil and, yes, even presidential, during his State of the Union address. I thought that, maybe, he had turned a corner. That, who knows, maybe we were going to see a new Donald Trump right up to the election.

Two days later, he thanked the pols who supported him during impeachment, telling them — on national television in the White House — that "it was all bullshit.” He can’t help himself. 

I grew up in a blue-collar neighborhood in the South Bronx and, while we didn’t have a lot of money back then, we did have values. It was a tough neighborhood but I don’t remember any of the grownups using words like “bullshit” in public. And the idea that a U.S. president would talk like that out in the open was unheard of — not possible.

Everybody in the neighborhood was a Democrat, but my parents and all the other grownups back then could never support free medical care for people who sneak into this country — not when they had to pay their own medical bills with the little money they had.

And if any Democrat back then had suggested that felons in prison be allowed to vote, as Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has suggested, they would have thought it was a joke.

Given the choice between hanging on to their jobs and disrupting the national economy with something like a Green New Deal — well, that would have been a no-brainer.

I’m not sure how they would have felt about abortion, but I am sure of this: They’d never have supported abortion with absolutely no restrictions.

We were a blue-collar family, as I say, but I never heard my parents bash the banks or big corporations, the way today’s progressives do. I never heard them vilify millionaires and billionaires.

So, if you haven’t already figured it out, I’ll be sitting out the presidential election in November, just as I did in 2016.

Some people have told me that it’s anti-American to boycott an election, that Americans fought and died for my right to vote and that I am disrespecting them by not voting.

Sorry, I don’t buy that. But even if you believe that it’s somehow unpatriotic to sit out an election, don’t blame me. Blame the yahoos running for president.

I guess I can be persuaded to change my mind and vote for a president in November. If Trump decides he can’t win and drops out, and Nikki Haley jumps in, I’ll vote.

As for the Democrats, I’m with Ronald Reagan: They left me, I didn’t leave them.

So, in November, I’ll be exercising my right not to vote — my way of saying that I refuse to throw away my vote on candidates not worthy, as I see it, of the position of president of the United States of America. My way of saying, “Henry Kissinger, you were right: It really is too bad both sides can’t lose.”

mcgruff10

@The Juggler awesome article. It really resonated with me.  
Mickey: Notre Dame!!!! (Damn auto correct)

mrussel1

mcgruff10 said:

@The Juggler awesome article. It really resonated with me.  
Mickey: Notre Dame!!!! (Damn auto correct)

I think you meant to type THE Ohio State University