What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?
Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that. Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.
I was going to do that too but for some reason, I couldn't bring myself to do it. I guess I justified it as "Well, it's only $20 extra." But I think deep down it was a matter of fearing I'll miss out on something. Sad for someone at my age to think that about a band's fanclub lol.
What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?
Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that. Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.
You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.
I agree that likely 10C is caught in the middle here and not their fault if no new singles have been created by the band. Has anyone suggested this before though:
10c could send out something to the analog members along the lines of "Terribly sorry for the significant delay in 10C singles. Here is a free bootleg download/Shirt/other merch etc exclusive to analog members to tide you over until the promised single arrives"?
What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?
Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that. Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.
You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.
The bootleg is for both levels. Only the T-Shirt, Deep and the now defunct single were the physical additions to Analog.
What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?
Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that. Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.
You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.
The bootleg is for both levels. Only the T-Shirt, Deep and the now defunct single were the physical additions to Analog.
No bootleg for digital membership.
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What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?
Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that. Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.
You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.
The bootleg is for both levels. Only the T-Shirt, Deep and the now defunct single were the physical additions to Analog.
If these are the last Christmas singles we’re getting, how about going back to the very start. Momma-son on vinyl. Think I’d be ok with that 😀
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It’s good we started another thread to cover the exact same ground we’ve already covered in a dozen other threads.
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What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?
Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that. Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.
You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.
The bootleg is for both levels. Only the T-Shirt, Deep and the now defunct single were the physical additions to Analog.
Whether its the band not being able to make a decision or 10c not prioritising this, doesnt get away from the fact it amounts to a lot of money. However unlike when people buy an item of merch the description of what you are getting is worded differently. Words like gift etc. get used in terms of what you get so nothing is assigned a monetary value so while we will probably get them eventually, Im suspecting the description is not legally binding so they can take as long as they like.
What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?
Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that. Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.
I was going to do that too but for some reason, I couldn't bring myself to do it. I guess I justified it as "Well, it's only $20 extra." But I think deep down it was a matter of fearing I'll miss out on something. Sad for someone at my age to think that about a band's fanclub lol.
I've heard that multiple times. What are you afraid you'd miss out on? If it's some special vinyl, It'll be easy enough to pick up regardless if it goes to all current analog members. There have not been any bonus free perks with the membership.
They should realize at this koopoint that most fans that are analog are looking to build their collection of vinyl records so it doesn’t matter what is on the single. It could be Ed reading the phone book and they would be stoked for another vinyl in the collection.
Prerty sure ella Fitzgerald scatted the nyc phone book once. Dang
What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?
Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that. Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.
You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.
There used to be more then $20 worth of stuff for $20 more:
$10 vinyl plus shipping if bought individually DEEP $9.99 MP3 code. Shirt
Now it's $20 more and you get... Deep $9.99 MP3 Shirt
The shirt used to be straight-up free. Now it's not.
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What do you think their angle doing is for doing it that way?
Just saying that the specifics are a little more vague than normal merch so they dont specify delivery date or exact item giving them more room to do what they want. We will get them eventually but its frustrating.
What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?
Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that. Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.
You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.
There used to be more then $20 worth of stuff for $20 more:
$10 vinyl plus shipping if bought individually DEEP $9.99 MP3 code. Shirt
Now it's $20 more and you get... Deep $9.99 MP3 Shirt
The shirt used to be straight-up free. Now it's not.
Yes, I think we're all disappointed that the vinyl is gone
What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?
Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that. Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.
You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.
There used to be more then $20 worth of stuff for $20 more:
$10 vinyl plus shipping if bought individually DEEP $9.99 MP3 code. Shirt
Now it's $20 more and you get... Deep $9.99 MP3 Shirt
The shirt used to be straight-up free. Now it's not.
Yes, I think we're all disappointed that the vinyl is gone
Yep. For sure.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?
Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that. Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.
You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.
There used to be more then $20 worth of stuff for $20 more:
$10 vinyl plus shipping if bought individually DEEP $9.99 MP3 code. Shirt
Now it's $20 more and you get... Deep $9.99 MP3 Shirt
The shirt used to be straight-up free. Now it's not.
Them just adding to their own $$$ margins without even a comment about it, and it not causing an uproar among fans is sad.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?
Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that. Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.
You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.
There used to be more then $20 worth of stuff for $20 more:
$10 vinyl plus shipping if bought individually DEEP $9.99 MP3 code. Shirt
Now it's $20 more and you get... Deep $9.99 MP3 Shirt
The shirt used to be straight-up free. Now it's not.
Them just adding to their own $$$ margins without even a comment about it, and it not causing an uproar among fans is sad.
You buy or you don't buy. If enough people move from analog to digital or nada, that's how you get them to revisit pricing and/or offerings.
What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?
Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that. Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.
You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.
There used to be more then $20 worth of stuff for $20 more:
$10 vinyl plus shipping if bought individually DEEP $9.99 MP3 code. Shirt
Now it's $20 more and you get... Deep $9.99 MP3 Shirt
The shirt used to be straight-up free. Now it's not.
Them just adding to their own $$$ margins without even a comment about it, and it not causing an uproar among fans is sad.
You buy or you don't buy.
The relationship between a band and a fan isn't a pure transactional market-economic relationship.
So that tired argument showing up, from you and others, far to often is as moot as it ever was.
But hey, I bet you would defend Pearl Jam pushing tickets for 250 dollars on stub hub like Metallica - because the market would pay it?
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?
Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that. Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.
You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.
There used to be more then $20 worth of stuff for $20 more:
$10 vinyl plus shipping if bought individually DEEP $9.99 MP3 code. Shirt
Now it's $20 more and you get... Deep $9.99 MP3 Shirt
The shirt used to be straight-up free. Now it's not.
Them just adding to their own $$$ margins without even a comment about it, and it not causing an uproar among fans is sad.
You buy or you don't buy.
The relationship between a band and a fan isn't a pure transactional market-economic relationship.
So that tired argument showing up, from you and others, far to often is as moot as it ever was.
But hey, I bet you would defend Pearl Jam pushing tickets for 250 dollars on stub hub like Metallica also - because the market would pay it.
Oh, buddy. I have some bad news about what the relationship between me/you and the bands we love is. Seems like only one of us understands it.
What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?
Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that. Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.
You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.
There used to be more then $20 worth of stuff for $20 more:
$10 vinyl plus shipping if bought individually DEEP $9.99 MP3 code. Shirt
Now it's $20 more and you get... Deep $9.99 MP3 Shirt
The shirt used to be straight-up free. Now it's not.
Them just adding to their own $$$ margins without even a comment about it, and it not causing an uproar among fans is sad.
You buy or you don't buy.
The relationship between a band and a fan isn't a pure transactional market-economic relationship.
So that tired argument showing up, from you and others, far to often is as moot as it ever was.
But hey, I bet you would defend Pearl Jam pushing tickets for 250 dollars on stub hub like Metallica also - because the market would pay it.
Oh, buddy. I have some bad news about what the relationship between me/you and the bands we love is. Seems like only of us understands it.
Which one of us who understand it, would come as a surprise to you. Buddy, Oh.
Would you defend Pearl Jam pushing tickets for 250 dollars on stub hub like Metallica - because the market would pay it?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
And ticket-wise, bands should do whatever they want. Metallica did it in an underhanded way, which was dumb. In this day and age, bands have every right to employ dynamic pricing, VIP packages, or whatever. I'd rather see the artist get that money than scalpers.
All that said, Pearl Jam's approach makes me respect them even more. Not only their insistence on securing every great seat for the fan club, but their insane ability to keep them out of the secondary market. It's one of the reasons I'm quick to defend them when people start hurling personal insults over delayed records.
I mean, this is probably the root of the problem. If you shook someone's hand on the street and they don't know your name or even who you are, what is your relationship to that person?
Why do so many people think the members of the band have so much to do with the release of a fan club single?
Clearly, they care about what they release, like most artists, but it seems like a lot of you think they don't have management and are sitting around thinking really hard about what to release for a "christmas single".
The most difficult thing they'e done with the singles lately was probably getting the rights to release the ones with Jay-Z and Beyonce due to royalties from cover songs and the guest artists.
Analog members just want the vinyl and don't *really* care what's on it, based on posts and previous releases. If Pearl Jam or Ten Club want to deliver the singles, it would just take a few phone calls to get the ball rolling quickly.
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Because the delay has a taste of artist flakiness and indecision (and focus). PJ has great management. If it was all on them, it would have never gotten to this point.
Management and the club facilitates the bands needs and wishes. They work for them. I'm sure theres lots of great stuff and opportunities presented to the band and they have the final say on things.
What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?
Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that. Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.
You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.
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10c could send out something to the analog members along the lines of "Terribly sorry for the significant delay in 10C singles. Here is a free bootleg download/Shirt/other merch etc exclusive to analog members to tide you over until the promised single arrives"?
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Think I’d be ok with that 😀
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Gotta keep the conversation rolling.
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There used to be more then $20 worth of stuff for $20 more:
$10 vinyl plus shipping if bought individually
DEEP
$9.99 MP3 code.
Shirt
Now it's $20 more and you get...
Deep
$9.99 MP3
Shirt
The shirt used to be straight-up free. Now it's not.
Well, we already have Alive.
I know they're already out there, but if they're doing Mamason, what about Stone's demos?
Them just adding to their own $$$ margins without even a comment about it, and it not causing an uproar among fans is sad.
So that tired argument showing up, from you and others, far to often is as moot as it ever was.
But hey, I bet you would defend Pearl Jam pushing tickets for 250 dollars on stub hub like Metallica - because the market would pay it?
Would you defend Pearl Jam pushing tickets for 250 dollars on stub hub like Metallica - because the market would pay it?
All that said, Pearl Jam's approach makes me respect them even more. Not only their insistence on securing every great seat for the fan club, but their insane ability to keep them out of the secondary market. It's one of the reasons I'm quick to defend them when people start hurling personal insults over delayed records.
Clearly, they care about what they release, like most artists, but it seems like a lot of you think they don't have management and are sitting around thinking really hard about what to release for a "christmas single".
The most difficult thing they'e done with the singles lately was probably getting the rights to release the ones with Jay-Z and Beyonce due to royalties from cover songs and the guest artists.
Analog members just want the vinyl and don't *really* care what's on it, based on posts and previous releases. If Pearl Jam or Ten Club want to deliver the singles, it would just take a few phone calls to get the ball rolling quickly.
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Management and the club facilitates the bands needs and wishes. They work for them. I'm sure theres lots of great stuff and opportunities presented to the band and they have the final say on things.