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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,888
    edited August 10
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

    they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...
    this is Houston’s approach

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

    The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges.  Now you see a random single tent here and there 

    quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.
    I see the difference based on where I am. Back home in Montana it’s meth for sure. Less so in Houston. 

    People on meth are pretty scary especially when they are roaming the street and everyone you see seems to be on meth. For example I’m way more nervous to walk around at night in a Montana town than I am in Houston. You can spot a meth user pretty easily.

    Not totally sure it’s accurate everywhere but from what I’ve seen meth is regional. Wherever it is though, it’s devastating.  Anti meth tv ads and billboards have been all over for years back home.  It’s hardly ever mentioned where I live now.  Not sure why. 

    Fentanyl, that one doesn’t surprise me pretty much anywhere 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,110
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

    they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...
    this is Houston’s approach

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

    The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges.  Now you see a random single tent here and there 

    quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.
    We used to have functioning tweekers.  These days we don't...

    meth formulas  changed with the crackdown on ephidrene. went back to the P2P method?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

    they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...
    this is Houston’s approach

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

    The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges.  Now you see a random single tent here and there 

    quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.
    We used to have functioning tweekers.  These days we don't...

    meth formulas  changed with the crackdown on ephidrene. went back to the P2P method?
    I know I'm being facetious but still.  It's wild that we have people on Meth that are this bad off now.  Fentanyl, I learned has been around for years and they are finally getting around to using it in pretty much every street drug now.  This will eventually be as bad if not worse than the crack epidemic as I don't think we are quite there yet.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,110
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

    they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...
    this is Houston’s approach

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

    The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges.  Now you see a random single tent here and there 

    quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.
    We used to have functioning tweekers.  These days we don't...

    meth formulas  changed with the crackdown on ephidrene. went back to the P2P method?
    I know I'm being facetious but still.  It's wild that we have people on Meth that are this bad off now.  Fentanyl, I learned has been around for years and they are finally getting around to using it in pretty much every street drug now.  This will eventually be as bad if not worse than the crack epidemic as I don't think we are quite there yet.

    listen to that podcast.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,924
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    It’s amazing people even wanted to live there. 

    is aesthetics a uniquely 20th century thing? Never mind the filth 

    even in disgusting houston they try to make it look nice.  There are trees and stuff. It hides the trash. Dallas looks even worse.

    It's a little amazing to me that so many people still want to live here.  Most of the year it is a lot drier and less colorful than that second photo depicts (although there are brief periods where it is pretty here), the place is crawling with Trumpers, and the developers are having their way with the foothills areas here big-time.

    This country has really become a split personality when it comes to aesthetics (and wealth).  We do seem to try to keep up the facade, but which of these, for example, best represents our closest city, Sacramento?
    10050 Sacramento California Stock Photos Pictures  Royalty-Free Images -  iStockHomeless activists urge officials to open warming centers  The Sacramento  Bee


    That’s about right. Picture 1 looks great until you zoom in

    same here but thankfully the homeless issue is handled pretty well.  It’s one thing houston does a good job with 

    That's great to hear.   It's not being handle well out here at all.  Sacramento, San Francisco, Los Angeles, even here in Placerville, the situation is a terrible mess.
    This is just outside of town here:

    Removing homeless camps an ongoing job in Placerville

    The deep pit of homelessness Occupants of Placerville encampment share  their stories

    I tell you if I was homeless I would make my area tidy so people wouldn't fuss about me being there...

    @brianlux I used to live in Santa Clarita.  It was a cool place to live.  You could roam the foothills and find tarantulas, trap door spiders, rattlers and racers and a whole bunch of different lizards.  It has become so built up now all those areas we had free range on are now houses. 

    Beautiful Sand Canyon became row homes now...

    At least they still have the washes you can roam freely in to explore.

    That's saying a lot as you are relatively young, so that is quickly changed down that way.  But these days, things really build up fast and it really is sad how overbuilt so much of California has become.  We are watching the southern end of Folsom transforming from open golden hills to dense housing in very short order.
    I grew up in the Bay Area a little less than 2 miles from Shoreline Amphitheater.  There were still a number of farms in the area, undeveloped fields, free running creeks with wildlife, and US 101 (Bayshore Freeway) had stop lights!
    "I believe in the mystery, and I don't want to take it any further than that. Maybe what I mean by that is love."
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

    they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...
    this is Houston’s approach

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

    The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges.  Now you see a random single tent here and there 

    quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.
    We used to have functioning tweekers.  These days we don't...

    meth formulas  changed with the crackdown on ephidrene. went back to the P2P method?
    I know I'm being facetious but still.  It's wild that we have people on Meth that are this bad off now.  Fentanyl, I learned has been around for years and they are finally getting around to using it in pretty much every street drug now.  This will eventually be as bad if not worse than the crack epidemic as I don't think we are quite there yet.

    listen to that podcast.
    Listening now.  Unhoused rather than homeless?  That's a new one.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,656
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

    they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...
    this is Houston’s approach

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

    The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges.  Now you see a random single tent here and there 

    quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.
    We used to have functioning tweekers.  These days we don't...

    meth formulas  changed with the crackdown on ephidrene. went back to the P2P method?
    I know I'm being facetious but still.  It's wild that we have people on Meth that are this bad off now.  Fentanyl, I learned has been around for years and they are finally getting around to using it in pretty much every street drug now.  This will eventually be as bad if not worse than the crack epidemic as I don't think we are quite there yet.

    listen to that podcast.
    Listening now.  Unhoused rather than homeless?  That's a new one.
    this came up last week when I saw that word in the paper. my dad (74) was aghast. 
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

    they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...
    this is Houston’s approach

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

    The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges.  Now you see a random single tent here and there 

    quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.
    We used to have functioning tweekers.  These days we don't...

    meth formulas  changed with the crackdown on ephidrene. went back to the P2P method?
    I know I'm being facetious but still.  It's wild that we have people on Meth that are this bad off now.  Fentanyl, I learned has been around for years and they are finally getting around to using it in pretty much every street drug now.  This will eventually be as bad if not worse than the crack epidemic as I don't think we are quite there yet.

    listen to that podcast.
    Listening now.  Unhoused rather than homeless?  That's a new one.
    this came up last week when I saw that word in the paper. my dad (74) was aghast. 
    Read an article about that immediately after hearing that term.  When asked how they would like to be addressed "unhoused, homeless, or people experiencing homelessness" the major response was "anything that is described w respect" then they didn't care.

    It's one of those things that I don't get but hey, people are working on eradicating it and the word so it's going the right direction.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,656
    homeless apparently implies someone as being "less than". I guess. I've been carless. I never considered myself less than and wanted to be called uncarred. or transitful. 

    but whatever a group wishes to be called, so be it. 
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,888
    edited August 10
    Whatever they want to be called is fine with me.

    unhoused cleans up the language.  Homelessness is a double suffix.  It seems clunky 
    Post edited by Cropduster-80 on
  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 899
    “Recently unfortunate” 
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,888
    “Recently unfortunate” 
    I was going to say “van life”, but  millennials who want a permanent vacation appropriated it. 
  • RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain TexasPosts: 956
    mickeyrat said:
    do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

    they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...
    this is Houston’s approach

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

    The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges.  Now you see a random single tent here and there 

    Really interesting article @[email protected] Thanks for posting it. Would love to know the follow up on Terri Harris.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,924
    I dunno, "homeless" seems right to me.  It's like what George Carlin said about euphemistic language.  SHELL SHOCK-- direct, honest, to the point- was eventually degraded to the bland "post traumatic stress syndrome".   I have never been completely homeless, but due to no other option at the time, I once lived in my vehicle for the most of three years, and even that seemed rather homeless to me. 
    "I believe in the mystery, and I don't want to take it any further than that. Maybe what I mean by that is love."
    -John Densmore











  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,110
    brianlux said:
    I dunno, "homeless" seems right to me.  It's like what George Carlin said about euphemistic language.  SHELL SHOCK-- direct, honest, to the point- was eventually degraded to the bland "post traumatic stress syndrome".   I have never been completely homeless, but due to no other option at the time, I once lived in my vehicle for the most of three years, and even that seemed rather homeless to me. 

    shell shock was specific to soldiers though. PTSD can occur in nearly anyone......
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,924
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    I dunno, "homeless" seems right to me.  It's like what George Carlin said about euphemistic language.  SHELL SHOCK-- direct, honest, to the point- was eventually degraded to the bland "post traumatic stress syndrome".   I have never been completely homeless, but due to no other option at the time, I once lived in my vehicle for the most of three years, and even that seemed rather homeless to me. 

    shell shock was specific to soldiers though. PTSD can occur in nearly anyone......

    Very true (I only know too well).  Carlin was talking about shell shock/ battle fatigue/ operational exhaustion/ post traumatic stress disorder all within the same context.
    But we're veering way off topic here... on AMT?  Never!  :lol:
    "I believe in the mystery, and I don't want to take it any further than that. Maybe what I mean by that is love."
    -John Densmore











  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,888
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    I dunno, "homeless" seems right to me.  It's like what George Carlin said about euphemistic language.  SHELL SHOCK-- direct, honest, to the point- was eventually degraded to the bland "post traumatic stress syndrome".   I have never been completely homeless, but due to no other option at the time, I once lived in my vehicle for the most of three years, and even that seemed rather homeless to me. 

    shell shock was specific to soldiers though. PTSD can occur in nearly anyone......

    Very true (I only know too well).  Carlin was talking about shell shock/ battle fatigue/ operational exhaustion/ post traumatic stress disorder all within the same context.
    But we're veering way off topic here... on AMT?  Never!  :lol:
    Staying off topic 😂

    shell shock, battle fatigue, operational exhaustion etc all seem to imply taking a nap will cure it.  

    PTSD clarifies a disorder and describes its after a trauma

    as with a lot of things, rebranding or renaming doesn’t always imply some left woke agenda as if often thrown around (generally speaking, not you specifically)

    I think sometimes it is functionally necessary 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,110
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    I dunno, "homeless" seems right to me.  It's like what George Carlin said about euphemistic language.  SHELL SHOCK-- direct, honest, to the point- was eventually degraded to the bland "post traumatic stress syndrome".   I have never been completely homeless, but due to no other option at the time, I once lived in my vehicle for the most of three years, and even that seemed rather homeless to me. 

    shell shock was specific to soldiers though. PTSD can occur in nearly anyone......

    Very true (I only know too well).  Carlin was talking about shell shock/ battle fatigue/ operational exhaustion/ post traumatic stress disorder all within the same context.
    But we're veering way off topic here... on AMT?  Never!  :lol:
    Staying off topic 😂

    shell shock, battle fatigue, operational exhaustion etc all seem to imply taking a nap will cure it.  

    PTSD clarifies a disorder and describes its after a trauma

    as with a lot of things, rebranding or renaming doesn’t always imply some left woke agenda as if often thrown around (generally speaking, not you specifically)

    I think sometimes it is functionally necessary 

    when you know better. do better

    maya angelou
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,888
    edited August 11
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    I dunno, "homeless" seems right to me.  It's like what George Carlin said about euphemistic language.  SHELL SHOCK-- direct, honest, to the point- was eventually degraded to the bland "post traumatic stress syndrome".   I have never been completely homeless, but due to no other option at the time, I once lived in my vehicle for the most of three years, and even that seemed rather homeless to me. 

    shell shock was specific to soldiers though. PTSD can occur in nearly anyone......

    Very true (I only know too well).  Carlin was talking about shell shock/ battle fatigue/ operational exhaustion/ post traumatic stress disorder all within the same context.
    But we're veering way off topic here... on AMT?  Never!  :lol:
    Staying off topic 😂

    shell shock, battle fatigue, operational exhaustion etc all seem to imply taking a nap will cure it.  

    PTSD clarifies a disorder and describes its after a trauma

    as with a lot of things, rebranding or renaming doesn’t always imply some left woke agenda as if often thrown around (generally speaking, not you specifically)

    I think sometimes it is functionally necessary 

    when you know better. do better

    maya angelou
    People were seriously pissed when they changed the   ABC song.  Kids thinking LMNO was one letter didn’t seem to matter.

    changing anything upsets people

    swinging it around to on topic.  If that’s the mentality to any change, how do you adopt a climate policy which involves actual major change which is a lot more substantial than the words to a childrens song?

    it kind of does relate to this thread 
    Post edited by Cropduster-80 on
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,924
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    I dunno, "homeless" seems right to me.  It's like what George Carlin said about euphemistic language.  SHELL SHOCK-- direct, honest, to the point- was eventually degraded to the bland "post traumatic stress syndrome".   I have never been completely homeless, but due to no other option at the time, I once lived in my vehicle for the most of three years, and even that seemed rather homeless to me. 

    shell shock was specific to soldiers though. PTSD can occur in nearly anyone......

    Very true (I only know too well).  Carlin was talking about shell shock/ battle fatigue/ operational exhaustion/ post traumatic stress disorder all within the same context.
    But we're veering way off topic here... on AMT?  Never!  :lol:
    Staying off topic 😂

    shell shock, battle fatigue, operational exhaustion etc all seem to imply taking a nap will cure it.  

    PTSD clarifies a disorder and describes its after a trauma

    as with a lot of things, rebranding or renaming doesn’t always imply some left woke agenda as if often thrown around (generally speaking, not you specifically)

    I think sometimes it is functionally necessary 

    when you know better. do better

    maya angelou
    People were seriously pissed when they changed the   ABC song.  Kids thinking LMNO was one letter didn’t seem to matter.

    changing anything upsets people

    I'm sticking with Big Birds song which start out like an "a" word (as anyone can see), but somewhere in the middle gets awfully qr to me.
    "I believe in the mystery, and I don't want to take it any further than that. Maybe what I mean by that is love."
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,656
    the alphabet song was changed?
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,110
    the alphabet song was changed?

    referenced from wiki entry of the alphabet song


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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 4,964
    mickeyrat said:
    the alphabet song was changed?

    referenced from wiki entry of the alphabet song




    I’m gonna petition Ed to slow down Ledbetter even more, bc this is what I think he’s saying…

    https://youtu.be/xLd22ha_-VU


     

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,110
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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    mickeyrat said:
    So when this happened in 2008ish? The farmers started drilling wells to get the water they needed.  This ended up having grounds sinking from the draining of the water.

    California gave $500 to people to tear out their lawns.

    AZ changed their prisons water system by putting grey water in the toilets rather than fresh.

    Most if not more golf courses should be watered w reclaimed water.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,924
    mickeyrat said:
    So when this happened in 2008ish? The farmers started drilling wells to get the water they needed.  This ended up having grounds sinking from the draining of the water.

    California gave $500 to people to tear out their lawns.

    AZ changed their prisons water system by putting grey water in the toilets rather than fresh.

    Most if not more golf courses should be watered w reclaimed water.

    I didn't know parts of California were paying people to tear out lawns, but for every step forward this state makes in terms of water, we take two or three or four back.  Prime example:  I had to go down to Sacramento today for another Mohs surgery (skin cancer) and heading down there, was shocked yet again to see the lower foothills around Folsom being rapidly transformed from what was very recently large tracts of open space into massive development.  It literally made me shudder to see.  And then at the clinic, I overheard someone who drove down I-50 from the north into Sac talking about how appalled she was by the massive housing and commercial development going on right now in the great Sacramento Valley.  She added, "Where are they going to get all the water for these people and these businesses?" 
    Exactly.  This is a disaster in the making, it is prevalent in California, and the problems it will create will be felt beyond the borders of this state.  Madness and greed have taken over.
    "I believe in the mystery, and I don't want to take it any further than that. Maybe what I mean by that is love."
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,110
    edited August 17
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    So when this happened in 2008ish? The farmers started drilling wells to get the water they needed.  This ended up having grounds sinking from the draining of the water.

    California gave $500 to people to tear out their lawns.

    AZ changed their prisons water system by putting grey water in the toilets rather than fresh.

    Most if not more golf courses should be watered w reclaimed water.

    I didn't know parts of California were paying people to tear out lawns, but for every step forward this state makes in terms of water, we take two or three or four back.  Prime example:  I had to go down to Sacramento today for another Mohs surgery (skin cancer) and heading down there, was shocked yet again to see the lower foothills around Folsom being rapidly transformed from what was very recently large tracts of open space into massive development.  It literally made me shudder to see.  And then at the clinic, I overheard someone who drove down I-50 from the north into Sac talking about how appalled she was by the massive housing and commercial development going on right now in the great Sacramento Valley.  She added, "Where are they going to get all the water for these people and these businesses?" 
    Exactly.  This is a disaster in the making, it is prevalent in California, and the problems it will create will be felt beyond the borders of this state.  Madness and greed have taken over.

    desalination,  seems California's only alternative at this poiint.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,639
    edited August 17
    Seems more and more going to less and less.

    Largest private land owners in the United States in 2021

    1
    NameEmmerson family
    Acres
    2,330,000
    2,330,000
    LocationsCalif./Ore./Wash.
    Main source of wealthLumber
    2
    NameJohn Malone
    Acres
    2,200,000
    2,200,000
    LocationsVarious
    Main source of wealthCable TV
    3
    NameReed family
    Acres
    2,100,000
    2,100,000
    LocationsWest and South
    Main source of wealthLumber
    4
    NameTed Turner
    Acres
    2,000,000
    2,000,000
    LocationsN.M./Mont./Midwest
    Main source of wealthCable TV
    5
    NameKroenke Ranches
    Acres
    1,627,000
    1,627,000
    LocationsWest and Texas
    Main source of wealthReal estate, sports teams
    6
    NameIrving family
    Acres
    1,267,792
    1,267,792
    LocationsMaine
    Main source of wealthLumber, frozen food, transportation
    7
    NamePeter Buck family
    Acres
    1,236,000
    1,236,000
    LocationsMaine
    Main source of wealthSubway sandwich shops
    8
    NameBrad Kelley
    Acres
    1,139,984
    1,139,984
    LocationsN.M./Tex./Southeast
    Main source of wealthDiscount cigarettes
    9
    NameSingleton family 
    Acres
    1,100,000
    1,100,000
    LocationsCalif./N.M.
    Main source of wealthTechnology
    10
    NameKing Ranch heirs
    Acres
    911,215
    911,215
    LocationsCalif./Fla./Tex.
    Main source of wealthRanching, agribusiness
    NameOTHER NOTABLES
    Acres
    Locations
    Main source of wealth
    24
    NameJeff Bezos
    Acres
    420,000
    420,000
    LocationsTex.
    Main source of wealthAmazon
    47
    NameBill Gates
    Acres
    268,984
    268,984
    LocationsVarious
    Main source of wealthMicrosoft
    48
    NameTaylor Sheridan
    Acres
    266,255
    266,255
    LocationsTex.
    Main source of wealthMovies and TV
    Source: The Land Report


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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,924
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    So when this happened in 2008ish? The farmers started drilling wells to get the water they needed.  This ended up having grounds sinking from the draining of the water.

    California gave $500 to people to tear out their lawns.

    AZ changed their prisons water system by putting grey water in the toilets rather than fresh.

    Most if not more golf courses should be watered w reclaimed water.

    I didn't know parts of California were paying people to tear out lawns, but for every step forward this state makes in terms of water, we take two or three or four back.  Prime example:  I had to go down to Sacramento today for another Mohs surgery (skin cancer) and heading down there, was shocked yet again to see the lower foothills around Folsom being rapidly transformed from what was very recently large tracts of open space into massive development.  It literally made me shudder to see.  And then at the clinic, I overheard someone who drove down I-50 from the north into Sac talking about how appalled she was by the massive housing and commercial development going on right now in the great Sacramento Valley.  She added, "Where are they going to get all the water for these people and these businesses?" 
    Exactly.  This is a disaster in the making, it is prevalent in California, and the problems it will create will be felt beyond the borders of this state.  Madness and greed have taken over.

    desalination,  seems California's only alternative at this poiint.

    Depopulation would be my first choice, but that looks like a long shot. 
    Seems more and more going to less and less.

    Largest private land owners in the United States in 2021


    1
    NameEmmerson family
    Acres
    2,330,000
    2,330,000
    LocationsCalif./Ore./Wash.
    Main source of wealthLumber


    2
    NameJohn Malone
    Acres
    2,200,000
    2,200,000
    LocationsVarious
    Main source of wealthCable TV


    3
    NameReed family
    Acres
    2,100,000
    2,100,000
    LocationsWest and South
    Main source of wealthLumber


    4
    NameTed Turner
    Acres
    2,000,000
    2,000,000
    LocationsN.M./Mont./Midwest
    Main source of wealthCable TV


    5
    NameKroenke Ranches
    Acres
    1,627,000
    1,627,000
    LocationsWest and Texas
    Main source of wealthReal estate, sports teams


    6
    NameIrving family
    Acres
    1,267,792
    1,267,792
    LocationsMaine
    Main source of wealthLumber, frozen food, transportation


    7
    NamePeter Buck family
    Acres
    1,236,000
    1,236,000
    LocationsMaine
    Main source of wealthSubway sandwich shops


    8
    NameBrad Kelley
    Acres
    1,139,984
    1,139,984
    LocationsN.M./Tex./Southeast
    Main source of wealthDiscount cigarettes


    9
    NameSingleton family 
    Acres
    1,100,000
    1,100,000
    LocationsCalif./N.M.
    Main source of wealthTechnology


    10
    NameKing Ranch heirs
    Acres
    911,215
    911,215
    LocationsCalif./Fla./Tex.
    Main source of wealthRanching, agribusiness




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    Acres

    Locations
    Main source of wealth



    24
    NameJeff Bezos
    Acres
    420,000
    420,000
    LocationsTex.
    Main source of wealthAmazon


    47
    NameBill Gates
    Acres
    268,984
    268,984
    LocationsVarious
    Main source of wealthMicrosoft


    48
    NameTaylor Sheridan
    Acres
    266,255
    266,255
    LocationsTex.
    Main source of wealthMovies and TV
    Source: The Land Report


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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    Ted Turner was buying up acres in Montana before it was cool.  I would expect when he dies that it all becomes a state park?
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