The all-purpose heavy duty Global Warming/ Climate Change thread sprinkled with hope.

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,703
    brianlux said:
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    mickeyrat said:
    also saw an article the founder of the green party passed at 93 I think?

    I hadn't heard that but found this:

    I have to give kudos to Resenbrink for founding the Green Party but disappointed that the party has remained weak, partly due to lack of good, qualified candidates (some of whom have been down right embarrassing.  Their own Green Parties in some other countries (Germany, in particular) have gained better traction.

    In Europe you often govern with a coalition 

    Green Party hurts democrats in a two party system.  I like the Green Party.  I would also never waste my vote on them as long as our political system is two main parties 

    if they progressive wing of the Democratic Party joined the Green Party, neither party could win any election against a Republican

    Yeah, sorry to say I have, the times I have voted Green have felt like I had thrown my vote away.  But how else can it gain traction?  I don't see our two party system as working very well.  In fact, I see it as collapsing.  But who doesn't these days, right?
    If the MAGA wing ever breaks from the Republican Party the greens can break from the democrats. 

    Seriously though I don’t think it’s possible because of how we elect presidents.  4 people running and you could get a president with like 25 percent support (or even less considering the electoral college).  I think it’s easier to swallow when the leader of the biggest party of a governing coalition is the prime minister 

    or in another way.  Someone could just win california or Texas 51-49 and have more electoral votes than any other candidate if there are enough parties on the ballot.. The president has too much power for that to be a good idea when you win the presidency with only 51 percent of California voters 

    I think you're right.  I don't see us going far with more than two parties.  We're very entrenched in our system.
    My fantasy would be to greatly reduce the power of the presidency.  In fact, I would like to see the role of the president be a combination of wise elder/ advisor/ cultural representative/ figurehead and have the real work of running the country done by committee.   Giving the president as much power as we do really makes us very nearly an autocracy. 


    Hey there, this is the hope filled climate thread, sprinkled with joy. They are about to pass the best climate bill, the greatest climate bill that we've had in our history, the best ever! Let’s enjoy that for a minute or two please.


    … or a modest start 

    I read that post and I’ll I can hear is trumps voice in my head.  That’s weird 

    Ouch!  :lol:
    I just meant the branding/selling of the bill. Not the content 


    I’m sure there are a lot of cancer causing windmills included. He would hate it 

    For sure.  45 hates anything that doesn't boost his sick ego.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,703
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,608
    edited August 5
    jpgoegel said:
    Speaking of droplets, considering most of us have detectable levels of micro plastics in our blood that cleaning system needs to be scaled way down


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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,703
    jpgoegel said:
    Speaking of droplets, considering most of us have detectable levels of micro plastics in our blood that cleaning system needs to be scaled way down



    For sure.  That will be a must more difficult task.  I hope someone is working on a solution.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 25,790
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,703
    mickeyrat said:

    OH, no kidding.  Incredibly sad and disturbing. 
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,608
    mickeyrat said:
    Brazil gets a lot of crap and rightfully so, however I’m glad those rainforests aren’t here.  No way they would have lasted this long 
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,608
    jpgoegel said:
    Great Barrier Reef has always been on my bucket list to dive. Although tourism probably is not good for it.  
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,703
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 32,643
    mickeyrat said:
    Brazil gets a lot of crap and rightfully so, however I’m glad those rainforests aren’t here.  No way they would have lasted this long 
    The Sequoias would like a word with you.
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,608
    edited August 9
    mickeyrat said:
    Brazil gets a lot of crap and rightfully so, however I’m glad those rainforests aren’t here.  No way they would have lasted this long 
    The Sequoias would like a word with you.
    Brazil is like 50% rainforest.  No way we would have kept that much.  During westward expansion it would have been levelled 

    no idea how much rain forest it use to be 
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 32,643
    mickeyrat said:
    Brazil gets a lot of crap and rightfully so, however I’m glad those rainforests aren’t here.  No way they would have lasted this long 
    The Sequoias would like a word with you.
    Brazil is like 50% rainforest.  No way we would have kept that much.  During westward expansion it would have been levelled 

    no idea how much rain forest it use to be 
    True.  We are lucky to have walnut and maples hundreds of years old up state.  Must have been too cold to settle back then.
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,608
    mickeyrat said:
    Brazil gets a lot of crap and rightfully so, however I’m glad those rainforests aren’t here.  No way they would have lasted this long 
    The Sequoias would like a word with you.
    Brazil is like 50% rainforest.  No way we would have kept that much.  During westward expansion it would have been levelled 

    no idea how much rain forest it use to be 
    True.  We are lucky to have walnut and maples hundreds of years old up state.  Must have been too cold to settle back then.
    I was reminded of an old black and white picture I saw of a giant pile of buffalo skulls I saw once when we were eradicating them. Trees wouldn’t stand a chance. 

    Really though I understand when other countries get mad at us for telling them what they can do with their land.  If the French told us what we were allowed to do with half our country that wouldn’t go over too well 

    they should do their part but they also haven’t gone through their destroy the environment phase we went through either 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,454
    Most of what you see as forests or trees, particularly in New England, is second or third growth. All them stone walls running through the woods used to be farm fields, abandoned when manufacturing came into being. We did a lot of clear cutting of forests for the ship building industry in Europe, domestic furniture production for home and abroad and heating homes during the winter. Hence, western expansion due to resource depletion as the population increased.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 32,643
    Most of what you see as forests or trees, particularly in New England, is second or third growth. All them stone walls running through the woods used to be farm fields, abandoned when manufacturing came into being. We did a lot of clear cutting of forests for the ship building industry in Europe, domestic furniture production for home and abroad and heating homes during the winter. Hence, western expansion due to resource depletion as the population increased.
    I've seen some of the old houses/barns that were made w dowels to hold them in place.  Some of those beams are massive so I can imagine the trees used to make them.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,454
    Most of what you see as forests or trees, particularly in New England, is second or third growth. All them stone walls running through the woods used to be farm fields, abandoned when manufacturing came into being. We did a lot of clear cutting of forests for the ship building industry in Europe, domestic furniture production for home and abroad and heating homes during the winter. Hence, western expansion due to resource depletion as the population increased.
    I've seen some of the old houses/barns that were made w dowels to hold them in place.  Some of those beams are massive so I can imagine the trees used to make them.
    Field stone foundations and post and beam construction with few nails. Mostly pegs. Pure craftsmanship without power tools. I considered buying a house one time built in 1698 but the dirt floor basement and slanted floors on the second floor, plus the commute made it untenable. The land was gorgeous though. And unless there was a tornado or a fire, that house wasn’t going anywhere for another 400 years.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,703
    I live about 15 minute outside of Placerville, California.  Old photos of the area show forests and land decimated by gold rush westward movement.  Those settlers totally trashed and abused the area, cutting down a huge percentage of trees for building towns, railroads, and mining infrastructure.  Whole hillsides were washed away including a huge gash that today is still called "Big Cut".  And to finish off the destruction, the native people were all killed off- for several tribes, literally all.
    Placerville then:
    Placerville California  Western Mining History
    Placerville now:

    Placerville CA

    Big Cut (the gap toward the right used to be flat straight across the top):
    3280 Big Cut Rd Placerville CA 95667  Estately   MLS 222058277


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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,608
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    It’s amazing people even wanted to live there. 

    is aesthetics a uniquely 20th century thing? Never mind the filth 

    even in houston which can be pretty gross, they try to make it look nice.  There are trees and stuff. It hides the trash. Dallas looks even worse.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,703
    It’s amazing people even wanted to live there. 

    is aesthetics a uniquely 20th century thing? Never mind the filth 

    even in disgusting houston they try to make it look nice.  There are trees and stuff. It hides the trash. Dallas looks even worse.

    It's a little amazing to me that so many people still want to live here.  Most of the year it is a lot drier and less colorful than that second photo depicts (although there are brief periods where it is pretty here), the place is crawling with Trumpers, and the developers are having their way with the foothills areas here big-time.

    This country has really become a split personality when it comes to aesthetics (and wealth).  We do seem to try to keep up the facade, but which of these, for example, best represents our closest city, Sacramento?
    10050 Sacramento California Stock Photos Pictures  Royalty-Free Images -  iStockHomeless activists urge officials to open warming centers  The Sacramento  Bee


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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,608
    brianlux said:
    It’s amazing people even wanted to live there. 

    is aesthetics a uniquely 20th century thing? Never mind the filth 

    even in disgusting houston they try to make it look nice.  There are trees and stuff. It hides the trash. Dallas looks even worse.

    It's a little amazing to me that so many people still want to live here.  Most of the year it is a lot drier and less colorful than that second photo depicts (although there are brief periods where it is pretty here), the place is crawling with Trumpers, and the developers are having their way with the foothills areas here big-time.

    This country has really become a split personality when it comes to aesthetics (and wealth).  We do seem to try to keep up the facade, but which of these, for example, best represents our closest city, Sacramento?
    10050 Sacramento California Stock Photos Pictures  Royalty-Free Images -  iStockHomeless activists urge officials to open warming centers  The Sacramento  Bee


    That’s about right. Picture 1 looks great until you zoom in

    same here but thankfully the homeless issue is handled pretty well.  It’s one thing houston does a good job with 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,703
    brianlux said:
    It’s amazing people even wanted to live there. 

    is aesthetics a uniquely 20th century thing? Never mind the filth 

    even in disgusting houston they try to make it look nice.  There are trees and stuff. It hides the trash. Dallas looks even worse.

    It's a little amazing to me that so many people still want to live here.  Most of the year it is a lot drier and less colorful than that second photo depicts (although there are brief periods where it is pretty here), the place is crawling with Trumpers, and the developers are having their way with the foothills areas here big-time.

    This country has really become a split personality when it comes to aesthetics (and wealth).  We do seem to try to keep up the facade, but which of these, for example, best represents our closest city, Sacramento?
    10050 Sacramento California Stock Photos Pictures  Royalty-Free Images -  iStockHomeless activists urge officials to open warming centers  The Sacramento  Bee


    That’s about right. Picture 1 looks great until you zoom in

    same here but thankfully the homeless issue is handled pretty well.  It’s one thing houston does a good job with 

    That's great to hear.   It's not being handle well out here at all.  Sacramento, San Francisco, Los Angeles, even here in Placerville, the situation is a terrible mess.
    This is just outside of town here:

    Removing homeless camps an ongoing job in Placerville

    The deep pit of homelessness Occupants of Placerville encampment share  their stories

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 25,790
    edited August 10
    Sam Quinones has a new book out. The Least Of Us. kind of a natural follow up to a 2016 on opiods called Dreamland..
    incredible interview on WTF with Marc Maron....

    helps explain alot of whats being seen out there and elsewhere....


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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 32,643
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    It’s amazing people even wanted to live there. 

    is aesthetics a uniquely 20th century thing? Never mind the filth 

    even in disgusting houston they try to make it look nice.  There are trees and stuff. It hides the trash. Dallas looks even worse.

    It's a little amazing to me that so many people still want to live here.  Most of the year it is a lot drier and less colorful than that second photo depicts (although there are brief periods where it is pretty here), the place is crawling with Trumpers, and the developers are having their way with the foothills areas here big-time.

    This country has really become a split personality when it comes to aesthetics (and wealth).  We do seem to try to keep up the facade, but which of these, for example, best represents our closest city, Sacramento?
    10050 Sacramento California Stock Photos Pictures  Royalty-Free Images -  iStockHomeless activists urge officials to open warming centers  The Sacramento  Bee


    That’s about right. Picture 1 looks great until you zoom in

    same here but thankfully the homeless issue is handled pretty well.  It’s one thing houston does a good job with 

    That's great to hear.   It's not being handle well out here at all.  Sacramento, San Francisco, Los Angeles, even here in Placerville, the situation is a terrible mess.
    This is just outside of town here:

    Removing homeless camps an ongoing job in Placerville

    The deep pit of homelessness Occupants of Placerville encampment share  their stories

    I tell you if I was homeless I would make my area tidy so people wouldn't fuss about me being there...

    @brianlux I used to live in Santa Clarita.  It was a cool place to live.  You could roam the foothills and find tarantulas, trap door spiders, rattlers and racers and a whole bunch of different lizards.  It has become so built up now all those areas we had free range on are now houses. 

    Beautiful Sand Canyon became row homes now...

    At least they still have the washes you can roam freely in to explore.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 25,790
    edited August 10
    do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

    they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,608
    edited August 10
    mickeyrat said:
    do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

    they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...
    this is Houston’s approach

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

    The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges.  Now you see a random single tent here and there 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 25,790
    mickeyrat said:
    do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

    they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...
    this is Houston’s approach

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

    The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges.  Now you see a random single tent here and there 

    quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 32,643
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    do check out the sam quinones episode of wtf with marc maron.

    they touch on homelessness and what hes found out...
    this is Houston’s approach

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

    The difference is obvious. There use to be tent cities under bridges.  Now you see a random single tent here and there 

    quinones goes into the reasons for it today. chiefly the explosion of meth and fentynal.
    We used to have functioning tweekers.  These days we don't...
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