Is someone blackmailing the band so that Sirens 2 is never released?
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If Mike McCreedy doesn't know or can't articulate the status of Pearl Jam I am guessing it is a pretty good sign we're nearing the end of the long road.
Which is ok.
With more than 5 years passed since Lightning Bolt the band (or individuals in the band) havn't really had anything new to say with the voice of Pearl Jam.
Which is ok.
The the 2018 tour was great fun and when we walked out of Missoula I thought "I bet that's the last time, leave on a high note".
Which is ok.
But how does it end? Will it be a slow shadowdy drift into the fog never to be seen again? Is this the death of an old friendship in which they just stopped calling? Will somebody finally break the band's inherent discretion and explain that Ed quiely quit by not showing up (thats my bet)? Will they do some cheese ball final tour? Did they just do a final tour and forgot to tell us?
Are we done?
If Mike doesn't know the answer to your question, then pretty much anything anyone here says will be a wiled guess. SO here's my wild guess:
I think they will go the way of some of the older bands still around in rock- like The Who. Longer and longer times between shows and albums. The occasional solo project. A memoir or two. No reason this band would be no different.
"Don't give in to the lies. Don't give in to the fear. Hold on to the truth. And to hope."
I still think it's all part of the plan, it would make sense to wait and put out an album and tour next year to coincide with their 30th anniversary... as long and as frustrating as the wait will be, everything just seems to lead to this conclusion... so 2020, 30th anniversary, new album, 30th anniversary tour, not to mention whatever other 30th anniversary exclusives they may have, and then there's all the 30th anniversary merch, it just all makes sense... and maybe they'll use this time to get us those last two holiday singles... in the meantime, side projects and merch is all i see for 2019, and maybe if we're lucky some more ed solo shows in the US, it's better than nothing...
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Either that or do a double album concept record with a movie
Or a 3 year residency at the ramada inn in east Reno.
Whatever works
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They should at least go out with a tour and album. That would really get the money, which is desired if they're going to retire for the next 20-40 years of their lives.
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I think there’s a lot more going on behind the scenes than meets the eye. I hope I’m wrong but I think they’re done.
Hope you’re wrong too. Let’s hope Can’t Deny Me isn’t their swan song.
Ed said himself the next time that they’d be together would be studio, he didn’t put a time frame on it, if something had gone down it must have been pretty major, this band has been through a lot together.
Im sure money is no problem. Maybe that's the problem?
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I kinda think that Ed avoids it for the reason that he has bear a lot of the burden of interviews/promotion and then the larger than average tour schedule to promote the album. On the other hand, Pearl Jam is a lot more than just the 5 members of the band. So many people make their living off of the band that it’s surprising they’re not at least a little more active to keep the machine moving
I doubt there would have ever been very much concern if the band didn't keep trying to convince everyone that they're not done by a long shot (Ed 2017 RNRHOF), there is a forthcoming album (Spring 2018), that the next time they see each other will be in the studio (summer 2018) and then have Jeff and Mike both have no clue what the hell is even going on (winter 2019).
Not surprising though based on the last decade. They don't know so there's no way any of us will ever know. I thought Ed struggled the most I've heard in about a decade that last tour and it's clear the solo route is much better for his vocal cords these days. He can still belt out the PJ, but it's a lot more hit and miss. I think they'll still give us 15 - 20 shows every few years, but that's the peak. They'll be a lot more valleys than ever before without any new music.
The doomsdayers here are a little extreme in this being the end, but in a sense it is the end because the band is not the one that brought you through the last 20 years. It's like they're the parents and finally cut the cord on us. They'll always be there in some way, just not as much as we're used to.
It's obviously hard for a lot of us to accept that reality. They still were the soundtrack for the first half of my life, but they mainly exist in my life now to remind me of the years gone by. Several other artists have served their previous role for the last decade. I think it's a natural consequence of life. In 10 more years, another group will be writing the soundtrack to my 50's.
Also, on top of that, they had a pretty huge loss (Cornell), priorities change. They have families. Life is ephemeral. Maybe hes putting his time into the things he wants. A Euro tour supports that. He can bring the family overseas, see shit. Maybe he wants to be a dad first, a husband second and an entertainer third.
When they say its done, its done, until then its not done. We can speculate all we want, the reality is we know nothing (maybe a few people get morsels here and there). But we are in the dark about stuff now like we were before Synergy. Right now, we either sit and wait or do something else. But this hand wringing is annoying. Sure we want new tunes and a tour, but we are at their mercy. Best thing to do is to focus on something else.
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I doubt there would have ever been very much concern if the band didn't keep trying to convince everyone that they're not done by a long shot (Ed 2017 RNRHOF), there is a forthcoming album (Spring 2018), that the next time they see each other will be in the studio (summer 2018) and then have Jeff and Mike both have no clue what the hell is even going on (winter 2019).
Not surprising though based on the last decade. They don't know so there's no way any of us will ever know. I thought Ed struggled the most I've heard in about a decade that last tour and it's clear the solo route is much better for his vocal cords these days. He can still belt out the PJ, but it's a lot more hit and miss. I think they'll still give us 15 - 20 shows every few years, but that's the peak. They'll be a lot more valleys than ever before without any new music.
The doomsdayers here are a little extreme in this being the end, but in a sense it is the end because the band is not the one that brought you through the last 20 years. It's like they're the parents and finally cut the cord on us. They'll always be there in some way, just not as much as we're used to.
It's obviously hard for a lot of us to accept that reality. They still were the soundtrack for the first half of my life, but they mainly exist in my life now to remind me of the years gone by. Several other artists have served their previous role for the last decade. I think it's a natural consequence of life. In 10 more years, another group will be writing the soundtrack to my 50's.
It's bittersweet for sure.
Well written! I thought Ed was in great form at the 2 shows I caught last year though.. (Prague and esp. Krakow)
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There were moments he struggled in Prague I thought, Better Man was an example of this. But Eddie had a throat infection and pressed on with the tour without giving it time to rest.
Eddie said in the PJ rescheduled London gig that they would see us again for the Euros - guessing thats 2020 around the time of the European Football champs
I think you should listen too what eV talks about at the end of the vault 8 ,its lije a nocode, thing ,they are not done yet and have lots more art to produce ,
PJ Cuyahoga Flalls OH 8/26/1998 PJ Noblesviile IN 8/18/2000 PJ Cincinnatti OH 8/20/2000 PJ Columbus OH 8/21/2000 PJ Columbus OH 6/24/2003 PJ Hamilton Ontario 9/13/2005 PJ Phiadelphia PA 10/3/2005 PJ Cleveland OH 5/20/2006 PJ Columbia SC 6/16/2008..... e.V Chicago IL 8/21/2008 e.V Philly PA 6/11/2009 e.V Bailtimore MD 6/14/2009... PJ Chicago IL 8/23/2009 .PJ...Philly PA 10/27/2009 PJ.Philadephia PA 10/28/2009. PJ Columbus OH 5/6/2010 PJ Cleveland OH 5/9/2010. BRAD Columbus OH 10/5/2010 e.V St.Louis MO 7/1/2011 .PJ.. East Troy WI 9/3/2011..PJ..East Troy WI 9/4/2011 Neil Young & Crazy Horse Cleveland OH 10/8/2012 RNDM Chicago IL11/13/2012 Alice In Chains/SoundGarden Columbus OH 5/19/2013 AIC Fort Wayne IN 5/21/2013 PJ Pittsburgh PA 10/11/2013 AIC Cincinnati OH 5/17/2014 AIC Cleveland OH 5/19/2014 AIC Indianapolis IN 8/19/2014 PJ Cincinnati OH 10/1/2014 AIC Cincinnati OH 8/06/2015 RNDM Chicago IL 3/15/2016 PJ Columbia SC 4\21\2016 PJ Lexington KY 4/26/2016 PJ Chicago IL 8/20/2016 Soundgarden Columbus OH 5/20/2017 Canceled RIP Chris AIC Columbus OH 5/18/2018 PJ Chicago IL 8/18/2018 PJ Chicago IL 8/20/2018 PJ St Louis Missouri 9/18/2022 AIC Cuyohoga falls Oh. 8/16/2019 SHAWNSMITH Rip 2019Mark Lanegan Band 5/18/19
Didn’t Ed say this past tour that he was excited about the new stuff that pj was working on and that it’s sounding good? I could have sworn he said that in Seattle. Anyone confirm?
Musicians say various things esp. during gigs, that they'll be back, the new stuff sounds great etc. Most of the time it's only PR small talk. Don't take it serious - speaking as a guy working in concert promotion
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If you’re expecting some masterpiece album and a 70 show tour then yes they are done. But if you saw how much fun they were having on stage last year it’s pretty obvious they’ll be playing live together for a long time to come. In small doses but they are not done in that regard. They could conceivably tour another 20 years, look at the Stones or The Who or Neil. It’s over in regards to relevant material and I’m okay with that. It was a great run, 10 albums, half of which are flat out great.
If you’re expecting some masterpiece album and a 70 show tour then yes they are done. But if you saw how much fun they were having on stage last year it’s pretty obvious they’ll be playing live together for a long time to come. In small doses but they are not done in that regard. They could conceivably tour another 20 years, look at the Stones or The Who or Neil. It’s over in regards to relevant material and I’m okay with that. It was a great run, 10 albums, half of which are flat out great.
Good point, I was close enough to the stage this year to see it was all smiles and it looked like they were truly having fun
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Either that or do a double album concept record with a movie
Or a 3 year residency at the ramada inn in east Reno.
Whatever works
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Ed said himself the next time that they’d be together would be studio, he didn’t put a time frame on it, if something had gone down it must have been pretty major, this band has been through a lot together.
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Not surprising though based on the last decade. They don't know so there's no way any of us will ever know. I thought Ed struggled the most I've heard in about a decade that last tour and it's clear the solo route is much better for his vocal cords these days. He can still belt out the PJ, but it's a lot more hit and miss. I think they'll still give us 15 - 20 shows every few years, but that's the peak. They'll be a lot more valleys than ever before without any new music.
The doomsdayers here are a little extreme in this being the end, but in a sense it is the end because the band is not the one that brought you through the last 20 years. It's like they're the parents and finally cut the cord on us. They'll always be there in some way, just not as much as we're used to.
It's obviously hard for a lot of us to accept that reality. They still were the soundtrack for the first half of my life, but they mainly exist in my life now to remind me of the years gone by. Several other artists have served their previous role for the last decade. I think it's a natural consequence of life. In 10 more years, another group will be writing the soundtrack to my 50's.
It's bittersweet for sure.
Also, on top of that, they had a pretty huge loss (Cornell), priorities change. They have families. Life is ephemeral. Maybe hes putting his time into the things he wants. A Euro tour supports that. He can bring the family overseas, see shit. Maybe he wants to be a dad first, a husband second and an entertainer third.
When they say its done, its done, until then its not done. We can speculate all we want, the reality is we know nothing (maybe a few people get morsels here and there). But we are in the dark about stuff now like we were before Synergy. Right now, we either sit and wait or do something else. But this hand wringing is annoying. Sure we want new tunes and a tour, but we are at their mercy. Best thing to do is to focus on something else.
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I thought Ed was in great form at the 2 shows I caught last year though.. (Prague and esp. Krakow)
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Theyre up to Sirens 7 and once 9 is done Sirens- the concept album, will be released.
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