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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,114
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    What the hell is this:


    20 seconds of a speech,  half of it cut out.  Where's the rest?  Whoever posted this is likely intellectually dishonest. 
    That's why I asked what the hell it was. Haha. He comes of as a 60s Batman villain when he moves in on the mic. Hehe. 

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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,838
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I hate when Pete starts a sentence with "Well... I remember this one time when I was in Afghanistan..." 
    I think he has to keep the focus front and centre on his “honourable service”. On so many levels, this is his big trump card. He not only served (reminding us of who didn’t), but he served successfully as a gay man, which sticks the knife into the recent trump policies about gay and trans people in the military. 

    I also dislike pro-military sentiment but I have to admit that this strategy is a sound one. 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,763
    benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    What the hell is this:


    Joe's looking rather strange there.

    I say, go Bernie.  He stands by what he says.  No flip flops that I can think of.
    On Fox News' Town Hall, he was obnoxious and arrogant. I don't see him as someone with the ability to unite a country that so desperately needs uniting.
    I missed that.  Doesn't sound good.

    Here you go, my friend! Hopefully I'm in the minority in my opinion and others have faith that I don't. I'm still digging Mayor Pete's pragmatism and balance.

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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,114
    oftenreading said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I hate when Pete starts a sentence with "Well... I remember this one time when I was in Afghanistan..." 
    I think he has to keep the focus front and centre on his “honourable service”. On so many levels, this is his big trump card. He not only served (reminding us of who didn’t), but he served successfully as a gay man, which sticks the knife into the recent trump policies about gay and trans people in the military. 

    I also dislike pro-military sentiment but I have to admit that this strategy is a sound one. 
    I just feel like I see through it. I can see the tactic. But I guess it’s a good strategy. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,763
    Ledbetterman10 said:
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    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Pete is attacking Bernie. Know your fucking place padawan.


    Guy is super smart. Like him more and more 
    I very much like Buttigieg from what I've heard him say but I find it hard to get excited about him being able to win because his chances of winning are so slim.  I have zero problem with him being gay but this country is still too ignorant and biased for that to happen.  Maybe in another 20 years.  Maybe.
    I don’t think being gay would hurt him. A black guy won. A woman just about won. Why not a gay guy? I think the country is more than ready for that. 
       
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,838
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    oftenreading said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I hate when Pete starts a sentence with "Well... I remember this one time when I was in Afghanistan..." 
    I think he has to keep the focus front and centre on his “honourable service”. On so many levels, this is his big trump card. He not only served (reminding us of who didn’t), but he served successfully as a gay man, which sticks the knife into the recent trump policies about gay and trans people in the military. 

    I also dislike pro-military sentiment but I have to admit that this strategy is a sound one. 
    I just feel like I see through it. I can see the tactic. But I guess it’s a good strategy. 
    Most election tactics are not exactly subtle, and they shouldn’t be. They have to be easy to understand. 
     
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,114
    edited April 2019
    oftenreading said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    oftenreading said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I hate when Pete starts a sentence with "Well... I remember this one time when I was in Afghanistan..." 
    I think he has to keep the focus front and centre on his “honourable service”. On so many levels, this is his big trump card. He not only served (reminding us of who didn’t), but he served successfully as a gay man, which sticks the knife into the recent trump policies about gay and trans people in the military. 

    I also dislike pro-military sentiment but I have to admit that this strategy is a sound one. 
    I just feel like I see through it. I can see the tactic. But I guess it’s a good strategy. 
    Most election tactics are not exactly subtle, and they shouldn’t be. They have to be easy to understand. 
     
    I prefer when it feels honest and without a campaignmanager on the shoulder. Like Pete does most of the time
    (so far), Bernie and Jonas Sjöstedt. 
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,838
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    oftenreading said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    oftenreading said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I hate when Pete starts a sentence with "Well... I remember this one time when I was in Afghanistan..." 
    I think he has to keep the focus front and centre on his “honourable service”. On so many levels, this is his big trump card. He not only served (reminding us of who didn’t), but he served successfully as a gay man, which sticks the knife into the recent trump policies about gay and trans people in the military. 

    I also dislike pro-military sentiment but I have to admit that this strategy is a sound one. 
    I just feel like I see through it. I can see the tactic. But I guess it’s a good strategy. 
    Most election tactics are not exactly subtle, and they shouldn’t be. They have to be easy to understand. 
     
    I prefer when it feels honest and without a campaignmanager on the shoulder. Like Pete does most of the time
    (so far), Bernie and Jonas Sjöstedt. 

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    Asterisk on the StreetAsterisk on the Street Posts: 810
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    What the hell is this:


    20 seconds of a speech,  half of it cut out.  Where's the rest?  Whoever posted this is likely intellectually dishonest. 
    That twitter clip is indeed intellectually dishonest. Joe Biden was talking about the tax cuts and how Paul Ryan planned to pay for them. He wasn't agreeing with Paul Ryan. He was talking about the need for a pro-growth progressive tax code.


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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,668
    Asterisk on the Street said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    What the hell is this:


    20 seconds of a speech,  half of it cut out.  Where's the rest?  Whoever posted this is likely intellectually dishonest. 
    That twitter clip is indeed intellectually dishonest. Joe Biden was talking about the tax cuts and how Paul Ryan planned to pay for them. He wasn't agreeing with Paul Ryan. He was talking about the need for a pro-growth progressive tax code.


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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,678
    Shocking,  I tell ya.  Now I can't even trust social media.  
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,668
    mrussel1 said:
    Shocking,  I tell ya.  Now I can't even trust social media.  
    Was there ever a time that you could?
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,908
    edited April 2019
    Asterisk on the Street said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    What the hell is this:


    20 seconds of a speech,  half of it cut out.  Where's the rest?  Whoever posted this is likely intellectually dishonest. 
    That twitter clip is indeed intellectually dishonest. Joe Biden was talking about the tax cuts and how Paul Ryan planned to pay for them. He wasn't agreeing with Paul Ryan. He was talking about the need for a pro-growth progressive tax code.


    thats why sourcing is critical on the internet. people are so fucking gullible on most platforms.  soon as they log on, critical thinking gets shut down. Thats if it was present to begin with.
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Social media blows
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    my2hands said:
    Social media blows
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,114
    Beto still being media shy
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,908
    edited April 2019
    cuz he aint going anywhere, dead in the water....
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,114
    mickeyrat said:
    cuz he aint going anywhere, dead in the water....
    Dont know if that makes sense. Then shouldnt he jump on all media channels like Pete?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,908
    edited April 2019
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mickeyrat said:
    cuz he aint going anywhere, dead in the water....
    Dont know if that makes sense. Then shouldnt he jump on all media channels like Pete?
    him not going anywhere means hes stuck. jumping on tables and has no message to share. what media wants that? 

    Pete has something to say.
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,114
    edited April 2019
    https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1120379907782008832
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,678
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1120379907782008832
    That's consistent with the other NH poll I saw.  It is his home base.  Doesn't bode well for Warren.  
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Mayor Pete looks like he's 15... i like the guy so far, but would be worried to death running a 15yo in the general. He just looks WAY too young, and i think it would hurt him

    He needs a beard asap lol
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,114
    my2hands said:
    Mayor Pete looks like he's 15... i like the guy so far, but would be worried to death running a 15yo in the general. He just looks WAY too young, and i think it would hurt him

    He needs a beard asap lol

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,678
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    my2hands said:
    Mayor Pete looks like he's 15... i like the guy so far, but would be worried to death running a 15yo in the general. He just looks WAY too young, and i think it would hurt him

    He needs a beard asap lol

    He already served two terms.  
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,733
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    Mayor Pete looks like he's 15... i like the guy so far, but would be worried to death running a 15yo in the general. 
    Maybe this is the right time for something like that. One thing I've seen Pete say that resonated with me is that he'll be the age Trump is now around 2054, so he suggested that he actually has a vetted interest in the long-term future. Compare that to Trump, Biden, and Sanders, all of whom could croak at any moment. 

    You're right that his age could be worrisome, but he's very well-spoken and seems mature. He's not like AOC with selfies, memes, and other teenager shit. So it's not out of the realm of possibility that he could connect with younger voters like Kennedy did all those years ago. I know...that's a tall task. But he seems up to it. 

    And to address the elephant in the room, him being gay may be a turnoff for some voters. But those will mostly be right-leaning voters. Maybe his military experience can counteract that. A negative stereotype about gay men has always been that they're "weaker" than straight men. But he served in Afghanistan, while Trump lied about injuries to avoid being drafted. Who looks weaker?


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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,763
     
    my2hands said:
    Mayor Pete looks like he's 15... i like the guy so far, but would be worried to death running a 15yo in the general. He just looks WAY too young, and i think it would hurt him

    He needs a beard asap lol
    LOL

    Yeah, Pete a young 'un but (I think I mentioned this elsewhere) good leader can be young:  William Pitt the Younger is a prime example.  He became Prime Minister of England at the ripe old age of 24 and, along with other fine accomplishments, supported William Wilberforce in abolishing slavery  in Great Britain.  A young, ambitious motivated, intelligent younger person may be just the thing this ailing country needs.
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    Town halls just ok for me so far. I think Pete’s gonna bring it tonight.

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,678
    Hi! said:
    Town halls just ok for me so far. I think Pete’s gonna bring it tonight.
    You're missing hockey.  Plenty of time for politics later!
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