The Democratic Candidates

benjs

Meltdown99 said:

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Not voting is also a vote.

I have always said that.  There are people who have absolutely no interest in politics...and what's wrong with that?  You are better off with these people not voting.

I also think that showing up to vote no confidence is also important - that's the only way you get in the "voted that all candidates are shitty" cohort instead of just the "didn't vote", and that's a message I feel needs to be known to the schmucks in charge.

It's a free country, vote/don't vote...freedom of choice.   And those politicians in charge know most Canadians have no use for any of the crooks...we do not need people who are not interested in wasting their time under the threat of cash grab fine just to vote, that all politicians suck.

I hate and disagree with your mentality. The few payments that democracies ask in return for the services it offers are adherence to its laws, due payment of taxes, and providing it guidance for the direction we want it to move in. If I ever choose to bring humans into this place (not on my to-do list), they will know that until they're old enough to leave the democracy they've been born into, they will know that it's their responsibility to guide the democracy. That means if you can't be bothered to research the candidates, you show up and you let the government know you think all the candidates are woefully inadequate. Anything else is lazy, and not doing your part for the democracy. 

mickeyrat

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Not voting is also a vote.

I have always said that.  There are people who have absolutely no interest in politics...and what's wrong with that?  You are better off with these people not voting.

I also think that showing up to vote no confidence is also important - that's the only way you get in the "voted that all candidates are shitty" cohort instead of just the "didn't vote", and that's a message I feel needs to be known to the schmucks in charge.

It's a free country, vote/don't vote...freedom of choice.   And those politicians in charge know most Canadians have no use for any of the crooks...we do not need people who are not interested in wasting their time under the threat of cash grab fine just to vote, that all politicians suck.

I hate and disagree with your mentality. The few payments that democracies ask in return for the services it offers are adherence to its laws, due payment of taxes, and providing it guidance for the direction we want it to move in. If I ever choose to bring humans into this place (not on my to-do list), they will know that until they're old enough to leave the democracy they've been born into, they will know that it's their responsibility to guide the democracy. That means if you can't be bothered to research the candidates, you show up and you let the government know you think all the candidates are woefully inadequate. Anything else is lazy, and not doing your part for the democracy. 

hear hear.

Meltdown99

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Not voting is also a vote.

I have always said that.  There are people who have absolutely no interest in politics...and what's wrong with that?  You are better off with these people not voting.

I also think that showing up to vote no confidence is also important - that's the only way you get in the "voted that all candidates are shitty" cohort instead of just the "didn't vote", and that's a message I feel needs to be known to the schmucks in charge.

It's a free country, vote/don't vote...freedom of choice.   And those politicians in charge know most Canadians have no use for any of the crooks...we do not need people who are not interested in wasting their time under the threat of cash grab fine just to vote, that all politicians suck.

I hate and disagree with your mentality. The few payments that democracies ask in return for the services it offers are adherence to its laws, due payment of taxes, and providing it guidance for the direction we want it to move in. If I ever choose to bring humans into this place (not on my to-do list), they will know that until they're old enough to leave the democracy they've been born into, they will know that it's their responsibility to guide the democracy. That means if you can't be bothered to research the candidates, you show up and you let the government know you think all the candidates are woefully inadequate. Anything else is lazy, and not doing your part for the democracy. 

LMFAO...it's called fucking priorities.  Some people have no interest in politics, and why should they if they choose not to...what to appease some people.  Jeesh.  Some of you really believe you live in anything but a fake democracy.  By the way, I could care a less what some self-confessed nerd from Toronto thinks about my mentally, considering Toronto is the centre of the universe...By the way, this is European democracy in Canada, I would say the lazy ones were our forefathers who couldn't even be bothered to come up with a democracy that includes 1st nations rights...

OnWis97

mickeyrat said:

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Not voting is also a vote.

I have always said that.  There are people who have absolutely no interest in politics...and what's wrong with that?  You are better off with these people not voting.

I also think that showing up to vote no confidence is also important - that's the only way you get in the "voted that all candidates are shitty" cohort instead of just the "didn't vote", and that's a message I feel needs to be known to the schmucks in charge.

It's a free country, vote/don't vote...freedom of choice.   And those politicians in charge know most Canadians have no use for any of the crooks...we do not need people who are not interested in wasting their time under the threat of cash grab fine just to vote, that all politicians suck.

I hate and disagree with your mentality. The few payments that democracies ask in return for the services it offers are adherence to its laws, due payment of taxes, and providing it guidance for the direction we want it to move in. If I ever choose to bring humans into this place (not on my to-do list), they will know that until they're old enough to leave the democracy they've been born into, they will know that it's their responsibility to guide the democracy. That means if you can't be bothered to research the candidates, you show up and you let the government know you think all the candidates are woefully inadequate. Anything else is lazy, and not doing your part for the democracy. 

hear hear.

Tangent: I always figured it was "here, here."  After a quick google, I guess I was wrong.

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Not voting is also a vote.

I have always said that.  There are people who have absolutely no interest in politics...and what's wrong with that?  You are better off with these people not voting.

I also think that showing up to vote no confidence is also important - that's the only way you get in the "voted that all candidates are shitty" cohort instead of just the "didn't vote", and that's a message I feel needs to be known to the schmucks in charge.

It's a free country, vote/don't vote...freedom of choice.   And those politicians in charge know most Canadians have no use for any of the crooks...we do not need people who are not interested in wasting their time under the threat of cash grab fine just to vote, that all politicians suck.

I hate and disagree with your mentality. The few payments that democracies ask in return for the services it offers are adherence to its laws, due payment of taxes, and providing it guidance for the direction we want it to move in. If I ever choose to bring humans into this place (not on my to-do list), they will know that until they're old enough to leave the democracy they've been born into, they will know that it's their responsibility to guide the democracy. That means if you can't be bothered to research the candidates, you show up and you let the government know you think all the candidates are woefully inadequate. Anything else is lazy, and not doing your part for the democracy. 

LMFAO...it's called fucking priorities.  Some people have no interest in politics, and why should they if they choose not to...what to appease some people.  Jeesh.  Some of you really believe you live in anything but a fake democracy.  By the way, I could care a less what some self-confessed nerd from Toronto thinks about my mentally, considering Toronto is the centre of the universe...By the way, this is European democracy in Canada, I would say the lazy ones were our forefathers who couldn't even be bothered to come up with a democracy that includes 1st nations rights...

A fake democracy is where only half the people vote. That's why I support mandatory voting, like I said.

mrussel1

Poll time,  California. .

Biden ahead comfortably.  Note how women and Democrats are strongly in the camp of the women issues not being a big deal.  If this continues,  I think he will announce. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/438283-biden-leads-2020-dems-in-california-poll

PJ_Soul

Does that even matter? Serious question. I'm under the impression that how California votes is completely irrelevant...

mrussel1

PJ_Soul said:

Does that even matter? Serious question. I'm under the impression that how California votes is completely irrelevant...

It's critical for the primary.  It has the most delegates. 

PJ_Soul

Too bad.

I really wish the media were paying Warren a lot more attention. All the media focus in on the white men. It sucks. Says a lot.

benjs

Meltdown99 said:

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Not voting is also a vote.

I have always said that.  There are people who have absolutely no interest in politics...and what's wrong with that?  You are better off with these people not voting.

I also think that showing up to vote no confidence is also important - that's the only way you get in the "voted that all candidates are shitty" cohort instead of just the "didn't vote", and that's a message I feel needs to be known to the schmucks in charge.

It's a free country, vote/don't vote...freedom of choice.   And those politicians in charge know most Canadians have no use for any of the crooks...we do not need people who are not interested in wasting their time under the threat of cash grab fine just to vote, that all politicians suck.

I hate and disagree with your mentality. The few payments that democracies ask in return for the services it offers are adherence to its laws, due payment of taxes, and providing it guidance for the direction we want it to move in. If I ever choose to bring humans into this place (not on my to-do list), they will know that until they're old enough to leave the democracy they've been born into, they will know that it's their responsibility to guide the democracy. That means if you can't be bothered to research the candidates, you show up and you let the government know you think all the candidates are woefully inadequate. Anything else is lazy, and not doing your part for the democracy. 

LMFAO...it's called fucking priorities.  Some people have no interest in politics, and why should they if they choose not to...what to appease some people.  Jeesh.  Some of you really believe you live in anything but a fake democracy.  By the way, I could care a less what some self-confessed nerd from Toronto thinks about my mentally, considering Toronto is the centre of the universe...By the way, this is European democracy in Canada, I would say the lazy ones were our forefathers who couldn't even be bothered to come up with a democracy that includes 1st nations rights...

1) The real world doesn't use 'nerd' in a derogatory fashion anymore, and I wear that badge proudly. If you've got an inferiority complex about that, my condolences, but I really don't care. 
2) Democracies have no interest in some of its citizens, and yet they keep serving them. It's the population's obligation to reciprocate.
3) You mock those who state that their democracy is real, then you suggest that in a democracy voters shouldn't feel obligated to vote. You are therefore dirtying the democracy, and a part of the reason the democracy is 'fake'
4) Pretty sure I've both condemned regionally-based elitism, and Toronto's elitism, both on here. I've also talked about my eventual plans to leave for Seattle.
5) Your rebuttal to 'people need to vote to maintain a functional democracy' is 'First Nations are mistreated in Canada'? I have an equally (in)valid rebuttal: I just got a new toothbrush

mrussel1

PJ_Soul said:

Too bad.

I really wish the media were paying Warren a lot more attention. All the media focus in on the white men. It sucks. Says a lot.

I don't know if that's true.  Biden has nothing but negative attention right now.  Warren has been pushed aggressively by Huff and other liberal publications.  I'm just not that the party is as progressive as her.  She has thrown out a ton of ideas.  While that can appeal to more people,  it can also set her back.  It gives more ammo against too.

Hi!

Yeah, it’s interesting too because the top 2 women candidates are not even leading in polls in their home states.

Ledbetterman10

PJ_Soul said:

Too bad.

I really wish the media were paying Warren a lot more attention. All the media focus in on the white men. It sucks. Says a lot.

The media that's focusing on those (gasp!) white men are probably doing so at the behest of the DNC. The same way the GOP influences what Fox News does, so does the DNC for MSNBC/CNN. If the DNC thinks Warren isn't worth covering, the media will abide. They want to beat Trump and they must think that Warren doesn't have a chance. But they were wrong pushing Hillary over Bernie, so they could be wrong here too. I actually like that Warren seems to have some fight in her, but I don't think she's very electable. And it has nothing to do with her not being a white man. If I was a democrat that could vote in their primary, I'd vote for her over Beto in the heartbeat. And that's despite not really liking her and thinking she can't win. But she'd fight Trump, and I respect that.

my2hands

It will be Joe with a minority VP, likely a woman... 

$20 says Team Hillary realizes Kaine was a bad VP choice and should have gone with a minority instead

Ledbetterman10

my2hands said:

It will be Joe with a minority VP, likely a woman... 

$20 says Team Hillary realizes Kaine was a bad VP choice and should have gone with a minority instead

Or Bernie for that matter. It would've showed that she can debate and disagree with someone but still work with them (unlike Trump who at the time was just stomping on the throats of his GOP adversaries), and more importantly, the Bernie supporters that didn't bother to vote in the general election would have come out to vote him to the Vice-Presidency. But I'd take your $20 bet because I haven't seen Hillary take any accountability for losing the election. So I doubt she'd acknowledge that Kaine wasn't the right choice.

OnWis97

my2hands said:

It will be Joe with a minority VP, likely a woman... 

$20 says Team Hillary realizes Kaine was a bad VP choice and should have gone with a minority instead

I tend to think it won't be Joe.  I think they'll go younger.  Part of the message when Trump was elected is not to keep on trotting out the same people.  

If it is Joe, they'll definitely want to go younger and probably not white and male for running mate.

I don't know that Kaine was a bad choice...the bad choice was Hillary.

Meltdown99

MichiganSteve

Damn, I like Biden but he's being cagey and coy about running.  Think he could totally do well in debates, so much so that Donald would be tempted to only do one, or cancel if it went bad but the groping stuff, it's like glue.  The right will crucify Biden for what he's done but all the women with complaints on Trump?  Nothing!  They'll say "the people voted, and they don't care what Trump did".  Now, I'd love Elizabeth Warren, she's damned smart but every candidate will be labeled Socialist.  The perfect guy might be Mayor Pete - guy is a veteran, mayor and gay.  That could be a perfect storm Trump can't handle!

PJ_Soul

Jason P

It appears the biggest debate on the candidates so far is their gender, race, age and sexual orientation.  All stufff that is determined by fate.