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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    27th is midsummer here :( so might miss the debate. hmm






    Why? What does midsummer entail for you? Is it a traditional celebration or holiday or something?
    Its the biggest day for drinking in Sweden. And for kids/families to dance around a pole wearing flowers on their head etc. 





    Bernie Sanders would love it. 

    Will have to watch the debate on the 28th before Bob Dylan. 
    I m sure it isn’t the case but it Looks very cultish to me. 
    Have you seen the movie THE WICKER MAN?
    I haven't, should I?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,542
    edited June 2019
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    27th is midsummer here :( so might miss the debate. hmm






    Why? What does midsummer entail for you? Is it a traditional celebration or holiday or something?
    Its the biggest day for drinking in Sweden. And for kids/families to dance around a pole wearing flowers on their head etc. 





    Bernie Sanders would love it. 

    Will have to watch the debate on the 28th before Bob Dylan. 
    I m sure it isn’t the case but it Looks very cultish to me. 
    Have you seen the movie THE WICKER MAN?
    I haven't, should I?
    It looks like the photos, lol, except a lot of people would more likely be naked if it was the film, haha. It is a cult classic. It is good, but also very weird. I don't know if it would be up your alley. There is also a remake with Nicolas Cage, which is more accessible - not nearly as weird.... though still not normal.
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,016
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    27th is midsummer here :( so might miss the debate. hmm






    Why? What does midsummer entail for you? Is it a traditional celebration or holiday or something?
    Its the biggest day for drinking in Sweden. And for kids/families to dance around a pole wearing flowers on their head etc. 





    Bernie Sanders would love it. 

    Will have to watch the debate on the 28th before Bob Dylan. 
    I m sure it isn’t the case but it Looks very cultish to me. 
    Have you seen the movie THE WICKER MAN?
    I haven't, should I?
    It's creepy. But british and old (1970s) - don't know if it's your thing. But if you like weird and creepy - then go for it. Stars Christopher Lee (and swedish bond girl Britt Ekland). Premiss: A cop from the mainland has to go to a british isolated island when a girl goes missing.

    Just don't watch the shitty Nic Cage remake.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,542
    edited June 2019
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    27th is midsummer here :( so might miss the debate. hmm






    Why? What does midsummer entail for you? Is it a traditional celebration or holiday or something?
    Its the biggest day for drinking in Sweden. And for kids/families to dance around a pole wearing flowers on their head etc. 





    Bernie Sanders would love it. 

    Will have to watch the debate on the 28th before Bob Dylan. 
    I m sure it isn’t the case but it Looks very cultish to me. 
    Have you seen the movie THE WICKER MAN?
    I haven't, should I?
    It's creepy. But british and old (1970s) - don't know if it's your thing. But if you like weird and creepy - then go for it. Stars Christopher Lee (and swedish bond girl Britt Ekland). Premiss: A cop from the mainland has to go to a british isolated island when a girl goes missing.

    Just don't watch the shitty Nic Cage remake.
    I don't mind the Cage remake. I mean, it's not great or anything close, and the story is really changed, but it was still kind of entertaining.
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,016
    edited June 2019
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    27th is midsummer here :( so might miss the debate. hmm






    Why? What does midsummer entail for you? Is it a traditional celebration or holiday or something?
    Its the biggest day for drinking in Sweden. And for kids/families to dance around a pole wearing flowers on their head etc. 





    Bernie Sanders would love it. 

    Will have to watch the debate on the 28th before Bob Dylan. 
    I m sure it isn’t the case but it Looks very cultish to me. 
    Have you seen the movie THE WICKER MAN?
    I haven't, should I?
    It's creepy. But british and old (1970s) - don't know if it's your thing. But if you like weird and creepy - then go for it. Stars Christopher Lee (and swedish bond girl Britt Ekland). Premiss: A cop from the mainland has to go to a british isolated island when a girl goes missing.

    Just don't watch the shitty Nic Cage remake.
    I don't mind the Cage remake. I mean, it's not great or anything close, and the story is really changed, but it was still kind of entertaining.
    It sucks, and is famous for two things haha:





    There is also the boring WICKER MAN 2 from the original director. I was actually at the first showing ever of it at the Montreal film festival (Fantasia Festival) with the director present. But yeah, it was bad and looked like cheap video. Must have been released in 2011/2012.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,542
    edited June 2019
    I mean, just those two clips show pretty well why I still think the remake is entertaining, lol.
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,108
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    College graduates are probably more likely to vote.  I know I would vote for the Wig party if they essentially paid off tens of thousands in debt for me. 
    I dont think Warren comes off as someone that cynical. Even though i might not agree, Im sure she has a respactable reason for her ”plans”. 

    She isnt Joe ”lets write something up quickly” Biden or Donald ”Urukhai hear my call - your coal Jobs are the future and we will feast on elf flesh! Trump
    Yes,  she just flat takes Bernie's platform.  And it may not be cynical,  but it's absolutely pandering. 
    So you are saying she hasn’t been consistent through the years in her beliefs?
    Not when she was a Republican.  You know she was a Republican,  right?
    You know Bernie isn’t a Democrat right?

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,631
    mrussel1 said:
    So let's all make note that politicians can adjust their policy stances.  
    But you that keep track om Queen E - What exactly has she changed in her beliefs, from going rep to dem?
    Let's start with not believing in free market principles.  None of her policy proposals are anchored in free market principles. How can someone switch parties in the 90's and have no change of views.  
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,631
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Here is Warren's explanation for the Republican thing. It really only further strengthens her position IMO.

    "I was an independent. I was with the GOP for a while because I really thought that it was a party that was principled in its conservative approach to economics and to markets. And I feel like the GOP party just left that. They moved to a party that said, “No, it’s not about a level playing field. It’s now about a field that’s gotten tilted.” And they really stood up for the big financial institutions when the big financial institutions are just hammering middle class American families. I just feel like that’s a party that moved way, way away."

    You don't find it convenient that her move in the 90s is aligned perfectly with the populist times, when explained today? And how are her current proposals even close to free market conservative principles?  I'd prefer to see some contemporaneous explanation,  but I'm sure that doesn't exist. 
    No. And I actually feel like you are actively looking for reasons not to like Warren, to the point where you're just kind of making things up. Her political view evolved. That is a good thing. I'm not sure how you find something so negative here.
    Well I find it convenient.  It's not surprising, politicians have convenient epiphanies all the time.  Tell me what I made up?
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,631
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    College graduates are probably more likely to vote.  I know I would vote for the Wig party if they essentially paid off tens of thousands in debt for me. 
    I dont think Warren comes off as someone that cynical. Even though i might not agree, Im sure she has a respactable reason for her ”plans”. 

    She isnt Joe ”lets write something up quickly” Biden or Donald ”Urukhai hear my call - your coal Jobs are the future and we will feast on elf flesh! Trump
    Yes,  she just flat takes Bernie's platform.  And it may not be cynical,  but it's absolutely pandering. 
    So you are saying she hasn’t been consistent through the years in her beliefs?
    Not when she was a Republican.  You know she was a Republican,  right?
    You know Bernie isn’t a Democrat right?

    You're damn right I do.  
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,608
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    College graduates are probably more likely to vote.  I know I would vote for the Wig party if they essentially paid off tens of thousands in debt for me. 
    I dont think Warren comes off as someone that cynical. Even though i might not agree, Im sure she has a respactable reason for her ”plans”. 

    She isnt Joe ”lets write something up quickly” Biden or Donald ”Urukhai hear my call - your coal Jobs are the future and we will feast on elf flesh! Trump
    Yes,  she just flat takes Bernie's platform.  And it may not be cynical,  but it's absolutely pandering. 
    So you are saying she hasn’t been consistent through the years in her beliefs?
    Not when she was a Republican.  You know she was a Republican,  right?
    Yes. 

    But I once listened to Staind. 
    Therefore she hasn't been consistent her whole life.  I have no issue with a politician changing their view.  In fact it would concern me if anyone had the same views their whole lives.  Warren is pandering to the youth vote just like Bernie did.  It's politics. 
    Have you ever been against something or maybe indifferent but then paid attention, listened and understood the causes, and more importantly the effects, and changed your opinion? This bullshit political purity is what is killing both parties. I could give two shits if Biden plagerizes the green new deal and didn’t come up with it all on his own. He’ll try to implement it or a version of same. And in the end, what counts is that we try and not do nothing. Obama stole Obamacare from Hillary and repubs but who gives a shit? The problem with Bernie is that he equates “freedom” with having everything free or heavily subsidized with no policy or legislation to show for it. Give me Biden all day.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,608
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    27th is midsummer here :( so might miss the debate. hmm






    Why? What does midsummer entail for you? Is it a traditional celebration or holiday or something?
    Its the biggest day for drinking in Sweden. And for kids/families to dance around a pole wearing flowers on their head etc. 





    Bernie Sanders would love it. 

    Will have to watch the debate on the 28th before Bob Dylan. 
    I m sure it isn’t the case but it Looks very cultish to me. 
    Have you seen the movie THE WICKER MAN?
    I haven't, should I?
    It's creepy. But british and old (1970s) - don't know if it's your thing. But if you like weird and creepy - then go for it. Stars Christopher Lee (and swedish bond girl Britt Ekland). Premiss: A cop from the mainland has to go to a british isolated island when a girl goes missing.

    Just don't watch the shitty Nic Cage remake.
    I’ve seen Wicker Man. 30 years ago? Thought it was well done at the time, in an Alfred Hitchcocky way.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,608
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So let's all make note that politicians can adjust their policy stances.  
    But you that keep track om Queen E - What exactly has she changed in her beliefs, from going rep to dem?
    Let's start with not believing in free market principles.  None of her policy proposals are anchored in free market principles. How can someone switch parties in the 90's and have no change of views.  
    How’s that free market working for Crystal City and outside suburbs? Great if you own, not so much if you rent or are trying to buy. But hey, tax breaks and subsidies are fucking great for “free” markets.
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    The first group of 10 appearing on Wednesday, June 26:

    Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey

    Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts

    Former Rep. Beto O'Rourke of Texas

    Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota

    Former Rep. John Delaney of Maryland

    Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii

    Former Housing Secretary Julián Castro

    Rep. Tim Ryan of Ohio

    New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio

    Washington Gov. Jay Inslee


    The second group of 10 appearing on Thursday, June 27:

    Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont

    Sen. Kamala Harris of California

    Former Vice President Joe Biden

    Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Indiana

    Sen. Michael Bennet of Colorado

    Author Marianne Williamson

    Rep. Eric Swalwell of California

    Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York

    Entrepreneur Andrew Yang

    Gov. John Hickenlooper of Colorado

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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,016
    MADAME PRESIDENT

    https://youtu.be/SLxyIhDU8ho


    (and man, getting to watch Lawrence O'Donnell without having to listen to Lawrence O'Donnell<3 <3
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    edited June 2019
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/freebeacon.com/politics/charlamagne-tha-god-warren-needs-to-acknowledge-native-american-claims-in-a-real-way/amp/

    After Burnett noted that Warren's recent surge in national polls makes it seem like she has moved on from this issue, Charlamagne said that while that may be so right now, the Native American question will continue to dog the senator until she addresses it "in a real way."

    "Eventually people are going to keep asking her about it until she acknowledges it in a real way," he said. "Meaning, ‘Hey. I did it, I was wrong. This is why I did it, I thought I could get ahead. And I learned my lesson from it.'"

    Post edited by Hi! on

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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,016
    Haha, I like that, that Charlamagne dude keeps coming back to Burnett's show. 

    And I like how he gushes over Mayor Pete.
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,016
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    Hi! said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/freebeacon.com/politics/charlamagne-tha-god-warren-needs-to-acknowledge-native-american-claims-in-a-real-way/amp/

    After Burnett noted that Warren's recent surge in national polls makes it seem like she has moved on from this issue, Charlamagne said that while that may be so right now, the Native American question will continue to dog the senator until she addresses it "in a real way."

    "Eventually people are going to keep asking her about it until she acknowledges it in a real way," he said. "Meaning, ‘Hey. I did it, I was wrong. This is why I did it, I thought I could get ahead. And I learned my lesson from it.'"

    I don't see why she shouldn't believe she was though if it was a story in the family she had heard from being a child. Many families has those kind of stories about family history. Mine has too.

    If it was a lie - why would she take the test?
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Hi! said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/freebeacon.com/politics/charlamagne-tha-god-warren-needs-to-acknowledge-native-american-claims-in-a-real-way/amp/

    After Burnett noted that Warren's recent surge in national polls makes it seem like she has moved on from this issue, Charlamagne said that while that may be so right now, the Native American question will continue to dog the senator until she addresses it "in a real way."

    "Eventually people are going to keep asking her about it until she acknowledges it in a real way," he said. "Meaning, ‘Hey. I did it, I was wrong. This is why I did it, I thought I could get ahead. And I learned my lesson from it.'"

    I don't see why she shouldn't believe she was though if it was a story in the family she had heard from being a child. Many families has those kind of stories about family history. Mine has too.

    If it was a lie - why would she take the test?T
    I think it would be deniability. Not sure if that’s the right term, but yeah, let’s take the test to show we didn’t know.IDK
    For the record, this doesn’t bother me, but when Trump is screaming Pocahontas! everyday, good luck.

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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,016
    edited June 2019
    Hi! said:
    Hi! said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/freebeacon.com/politics/charlamagne-tha-god-warren-needs-to-acknowledge-native-american-claims-in-a-real-way/amp/

    After Burnett noted that Warren's recent surge in national polls makes it seem like she has moved on from this issue, Charlamagne said that while that may be so right now, the Native American question will continue to dog the senator until she addresses it "in a real way."

    "Eventually people are going to keep asking her about it until she acknowledges it in a real way," he said. "Meaning, ‘Hey. I did it, I was wrong. This is why I did it, I thought I could get ahead. And I learned my lesson from it.'"

    I don't see why she shouldn't believe she was though if it was a story in the family she had heard from being a child. Many families has those kind of stories about family history. Mine has too.

    If it was a lie - why would she take the test?T
    I think it would be deniability. Not sure if that’s the right term, but yeah, let’s take the test to show we didn’t know.IDK
    For the record, this doesn’t bother me, but when Trump is screaming Pocahontas! everyday, good luck.
    Other than the base who would not leave Trump anyways, and @PJPOWER -- who cares about the "Pocahontas"-thing?

    I don't feel like that thing ever really stuck anyways. Sleepy-Biden. Crazy-Bernie etc etc is kind of funny in its absurdness but calling someone Pocahontas wasn't "clever" enough anyways... I would think... 

    But who knows. It might come back with a vengeance from Trump. 
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    Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Hi! said:
    Hi! said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/freebeacon.com/politics/charlamagne-tha-god-warren-needs-to-acknowledge-native-american-claims-in-a-real-way/amp/

    After Burnett noted that Warren's recent surge in national polls makes it seem like she has moved on from this issue, Charlamagne said that while that may be so right now, the Native American question will continue to dog the senator until she addresses it "in a real way."

    "Eventually people are going to keep asking her about it until she acknowledges it in a real way," he said. "Meaning, ‘Hey. I did it, I was wrong. This is why I did it, I thought I could get ahead. And I learned my lesson from it.'"

    I don't see why she shouldn't believe she was though if it was a story in the family she had heard from being a child. Many families has those kind of stories about family history. Mine has too.

    If it was a lie - why would she take the test?T
    I think it would be deniability. Not sure if that’s the right term, but yeah, let’s take the test to show we didn’t know.IDK
    For the record, this doesn’t bother me, but when Trump is screaming Pocahontas! everyday, good luck.
    Other than the base who would not leave Trump anyways, and @PJPOWER -- who cares about the "Pocahontas"-thing?

    I don't feel like that thing ever really stuck anyways. Sleepy-Biden. Crazy-Bernie etc etc is kind of funny in its absurdness but calling someone Pocahontas wasn't "clever" enough anyways... I would think... 

    But who knows. It might come back with a vengeance from Trump. 
    I think every swing voter cares. It did stick, it was clever, and it will come back with a vengeance.

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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,938
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Here is Warren's explanation for the Republican thing. It really only further strengthens her position IMO.

    "I was an independent. I was with the GOP for a while because I really thought that it was a party that was principled in its conservative approach to economics and to markets. And I feel like the GOP party just left that. They moved to a party that said, “No, it’s not about a level playing field. It’s now about a field that’s gotten tilted.” And they really stood up for the big financial institutions when the big financial institutions are just hammering middle class American families. I just feel like that’s a party that moved way, way away."

    You don't find it convenient that her move in the 90s is aligned perfectly with the populist times, when explained today? And how are her current proposals even close to free market conservative principles?  I'd prefer to see some contemporaneous explanation,  but I'm sure that doesn't exist. 
    No. And I actually feel like you are actively looking for reasons not to like Warren, to the point where you're just kind of making things up. Her political view evolved. That is a good thing. I'm not sure how you find something so negative here.
    Sorry, but this would be an active reason to question the authenticity of any person - don't make this out like Warren is being singled-out. There is only too much information out there about Biden's convenient flipping of positions at couldn't-really-be-a-coincidence times. That's why I question his authenticity. Why should we not be allowed to state the same of other candidates?
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,631
    benjs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Here is Warren's explanation for the Republican thing. It really only further strengthens her position IMO.

    "I was an independent. I was with the GOP for a while because I really thought that it was a party that was principled in its conservative approach to economics and to markets. And I feel like the GOP party just left that. They moved to a party that said, “No, it’s not about a level playing field. It’s now about a field that’s gotten tilted.” And they really stood up for the big financial institutions when the big financial institutions are just hammering middle class American families. I just feel like that’s a party that moved way, way away."

    You don't find it convenient that her move in the 90s is aligned perfectly with the populist times, when explained today? And how are her current proposals even close to free market conservative principles?  I'd prefer to see some contemporaneous explanation,  but I'm sure that doesn't exist. 
    No. And I actually feel like you are actively looking for reasons not to like Warren, to the point where you're just kind of making things up. Her political view evolved. That is a good thing. I'm not sure how you find something so negative here.
    Sorry, but this would be an active reason to question the authenticity of any person - don't make this out like Warren is being singled-out. There is only too much information out there about Biden's convenient flipping of positions at couldn't-really-be-a-coincidence times. That's why I question his authenticity. Why should we not be allowed to state the same of other candidates?
    Exactly right, this is the devil's advocate point I'm making here.  As I've stated multiple times @Halifax2TheMax, I have no problem with politicians changing/evolving, but I do have a problem with attacks from the left against Biden's changed positions over the years.  I'm simply pointing out that 1. politicians do that 2. It's okay to do that 3. the longer you're in politics, the more you should/would have changed and 4. it's legitimate to be skeptical that it's convenience vs an epiphany.  
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,016
    benjs said:

     Why should we not be allowed to state the same of other candidates?
    @PJ_Soul: ”I actually feel like you are actively looking for reasons not to like Warren, to the point where you're just kind of making things up.”
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,631
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So let's all make note that politicians can adjust their policy stances.  
    But you that keep track om Queen E - What exactly has she changed in her beliefs, from going rep to dem?
    Let's start with not believing in free market principles.  None of her policy proposals are anchored in free market principles. How can someone switch parties in the 90's and have no change of views.  
    How’s that free market working for Crystal City and outside suburbs? Great if you own, not so much if you rent or are trying to buy. But hey, tax breaks and subsidies are fucking great for “free” markets.
    What's wrong with Crystal City?  And the prices inside the beltway have been outrageous for years, it has nothing to do with Amazon.  It's simple supply and demand generated by the huge influx of companies that have government contracts.  You could almost argue that government largess is the cause of the DC real estate and traffic issue of the last 25 years. 
    And BTW, I support many free market principles, just like the Warren of yore.  But I'm not a laissez-faire Friedman guy. The question was asked about how Warren has changed, and I think it's fair to say she's no longer from the conservative economics school that evidently she once was.    
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,608
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    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So let's all make note that politicians can adjust their policy stances.  
    But you that keep track om Queen E - What exactly has she changed in her beliefs, from going rep to dem?
    Let's start with not believing in free market principles.  None of her policy proposals are anchored in free market principles. How can someone switch parties in the 90's and have no change of views.  
    How’s that free market working for Crystal City and outside suburbs? Great if you own, not so much if you rent or are trying to buy. But hey, tax breaks and subsidies are fucking great for “free” markets.
    What's wrong with Crystal City?  And the prices inside the beltway have been outrageous for years, it has nothing to do with Amazon.  It's simple supply and demand generated by the huge influx of companies that have government contracts.  You could almost argue that government largess is the cause of the DC real estate and traffic issue of the last 25 years. 
    And BTW, I support many free market principles, just like the Warren of yore.  But I'm not a laissez-faire Friedman guy. The question was asked about how Warren has changed, and I think it's fair to say she's no longer from the conservative economics school that evidently she once was.    
    More outrageous now than in the past because of amazon. And imagine the impact on LIC residents who are much more middle and lower income than folks already living in $700K+ houses? But Bezos should be given billions to relocate. Hell, after his divorce he could still drop $2BB and not bat an eye. It’s not like he’s building a 3,000 mile highway or railway or replacing JFK. But Warren doesn’t have any free market solutions?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/06/13/amazons-hq-is-already-making-arlingtons-housing-prices-skyrocket/
     
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,631
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So let's all make note that politicians can adjust their policy stances.  
    But you that keep track om Queen E - What exactly has she changed in her beliefs, from going rep to dem?
    Let's start with not believing in free market principles.  None of her policy proposals are anchored in free market principles. How can someone switch parties in the 90's and have no change of views.  
    How’s that free market working for Crystal City and outside suburbs? Great if you own, not so much if you rent or are trying to buy. But hey, tax breaks and subsidies are fucking great for “free” markets.
    What's wrong with Crystal City?  And the prices inside the beltway have been outrageous for years, it has nothing to do with Amazon.  It's simple supply and demand generated by the huge influx of companies that have government contracts.  You could almost argue that government largess is the cause of the DC real estate and traffic issue of the last 25 years. 
    And BTW, I support many free market principles, just like the Warren of yore.  But I'm not a laissez-faire Friedman guy. The question was asked about how Warren has changed, and I think it's fair to say she's no longer from the conservative economics school that evidently she once was.    
    More outrageous now than in the past because of amazon. And imagine the impact on LIC residents who are much more middle and lower income than folks already living in $700K+ houses? But Bezos should be given billions to relocate. Hell, after his divorce he could still drop $2BB and not bat an eye. It’s not like he’s building a 3,000 mile highway or railway or replacing JFK. But Warren doesn’t have any free market solutions?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/06/13/amazons-hq-is-already-making-arlingtons-housing-prices-skyrocket/
     
    The tax breaks are NPV positive for the state.  As a resident, I have no issues with them because the revenue generated will help our schools and continue to allow for highway dollars which is the single most important issue in Virginia over the past 15 years.  We have traffic issues from NOVA down to Hampton Roads, and all points in between.  You're conflating two issues which are not connected.  Wherever Amazon chose to go, it would create a housing price boom.  The only solution for that is not to pay their employees market value for what they contribute, which doesn't make any sense either.  
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,608
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So let's all make note that politicians can adjust their policy stances.  
    But you that keep track om Queen E - What exactly has she changed in her beliefs, from going rep to dem?
    Let's start with not believing in free market principles.  None of her policy proposals are anchored in free market principles. How can someone switch parties in the 90's and have no change of views.  
    How’s that free market working for Crystal City and outside suburbs? Great if you own, not so much if you rent or are trying to buy. But hey, tax breaks and subsidies are fucking great for “free” markets.
    What's wrong with Crystal City?  And the prices inside the beltway have been outrageous for years, it has nothing to do with Amazon.  It's simple supply and demand generated by the huge influx of companies that have government contracts.  You could almost argue that government largess is the cause of the DC real estate and traffic issue of the last 25 years. 
    And BTW, I support many free market principles, just like the Warren of yore.  But I'm not a laissez-faire Friedman guy. The question was asked about how Warren has changed, and I think it's fair to say she's no longer from the conservative economics school that evidently she once was.    
    More outrageous now than in the past because of amazon. And imagine the impact on LIC residents who are much more middle and lower income than folks already living in $700K+ houses? But Bezos should be given billions to relocate. Hell, after his divorce he could still drop $2BB and not bat an eye. It’s not like he’s building a 3,000 mile highway or railway or replacing JFK. But Warren doesn’t have any free market solutions?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/06/13/amazons-hq-is-already-making-arlingtons-housing-prices-skyrocket/
     
    The tax breaks are NPV positive for the state.  As a resident, I have no issues with them because the revenue generated will help our schools and continue to allow for highway dollars which is the single most important issue in Virginia over the past 15 years.  We have traffic issues from NOVA down to Hampton Roads, and all points in between.  You're conflating two issues which are not connected.  Wherever Amazon chose to go, it would create a housing price boom.  The only solution for that is not to pay their employees market value for what they contribute, which doesn't make any sense either.  
    For the state but not for all the residents of the immediate area, particularly if they’re middle or lower income. I’m trying to understand your criticism of Warren because her solutions are not free market based yet you old Amazon up as some messiah but they’re not free market based either, as we see in NOVA and LIC. If Amazon was as free market as you seem to profess, Bezos would drop $2BB and reap the rewards. After all he’s just building a building and hiring people. Why does he get a pass on corporate socialism, to use Bernie’s term, and Warren gets criticized? Wouldn’t Warren’s investments also have payouts?
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