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'TWO BIG PIGS': Rude woman kicked off a flight after a fat-shaming meltdown
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    edited January 2019
    The phrase "Well I'm not politically correct!" is code for "I'm a fucking asshole who treats people badly because I lack any sense of empathy."
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJ_Soul said:
    The phrase "Well I'm not politically correct!" is code for "I'm a fucking asshole who treats people badly because I lack any sense of empathy."
    Every. Single. Time.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,025
    I don't think her complaint is unjustified but the way she went about it sure is.  She could have just discretely gone up to one of the flight attendants and explained the situation and asked is there were other options for seating.  Then maybe they could have put a kid or someone small who would fit in the tight space.  This could have been handled way better.  But then, a lot of people just prefer to be pissed off.

    It's also sad that obesity is so common that this kind of thing happens more often than it used to.  There have been reports of several similar situations on airplanes.  When I in middle school and high school my father worked for a major airline and we flew about once a year and never had a problem with not having enough room to sit on the plane.  Part of that may be that seats are smaller, but in general, so were people.
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  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,467
    I blame airlines and their tiny seats. Even a moderately sized man seems squeezed in
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    edited January 2019
    brianlux said:
    I don't think her complaint is unjustified but the way she went about it sure is.  She could have just discretely gone up to one of the flight attendants and explained the situation and asked is there were other options for seating.  Then maybe they could have put a kid or someone small who would fit in the tight space.  This could have been handled way better.  But then, a lot of people just prefer to be pissed off.

    It's also sad that obesity is so common that this kind of thing happens more often than it used to.  There have been reports of several similar situations on airplanes.  When I in middle school and high school my father worked for a major airline and we flew about once a year and never had a problem with not having enough room to sit on the plane.  Part of that may be that seats are smaller, but in general, so were people.
    Yeah, like you say, the seats on planes back when you were in high school were twice as big as they are now, lol. The seats these days aren't big enough for average sized people, let alone overweight people. It's ridiculous. So yep, people got bigger, seats got smaller. I blame the airlines for that one. And seriously, I've flown enough to know that if there was REALLY a problem wherein there truly wasn't enough room, they would have forced the biggest of those people to buy the second seat. I think that lady was just being a huge bitch. Suck it up princess - nobody is comfortable in economy!!
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,140
    edited January 2019
    brianlux said:
    I don't think her complaint is unjustified but the way she went about it sure is.  She could have just discretely gone up to one of the flight attendants and explained the situation and asked is there were other options for seating.  Then maybe they could have put a kid or someone small who would fit in the tight space.  This could have been handled way better.  But then, a lot of people just prefer to be pissed off.

    It's also sad that obesity is so common that this kind of thing happens more often than it used to.  There have been reports of several similar situations on airplanes.  When I in middle school and high school my father worked for a major airline and we flew about once a year and never had a problem with not having enough room to sit on the plane.  Part of that may be that seats are smaller, but in general, so were people.
    It also may be that we see these stories and it gets us thinking it happens more often than it really does.  I fly a few times a year and it's never happened to me, though my wife had someone that was bordering on needing two seats.  But, I do think if we see a few stories a year, we could over-estimate the frequency. (of course, my experience is also anecdotal...)
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,025
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    I don't think her complaint is unjustified but the way she went about it sure is.  She could have just discretely gone up to one of the flight attendants and explained the situation and asked is there were other options for seating.  Then maybe they could have put a kid or someone small who would fit in the tight space.  This could have been handled way better.  But then, a lot of people just prefer to be pissed off.

    It's also sad that obesity is so common that this kind of thing happens more often than it used to.  There have been reports of several similar situations on airplanes.  When I in middle school and high school my father worked for a major airline and we flew about once a year and never had a problem with not having enough room to sit on the plane.  Part of that may be that seats are smaller, but in general, so were people.
    Yeah, like you say, the seats on planes back when you were in high school were twice as big as they are now, lol. The seats these days aren't big enough for average sized people, let alone overweight people. It's ridiculous. So yep, people got bigger, seats got smaller. I blame the airlines for that one. And seriously, I've flown enough to know that if there was REALLY a problem wherein there truly wasn't enough room, they would have forced the biggest of those people to buy the second seat. I think that lady was just being a huge bitch. Suck it up princess - nobody is comfortable in economy!!
    I haven't flown since the late 80's so that sucks.  Bummer for people in general who can't afford 1st class seating (most people can't!).
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,025
    OnWis97 said:
    brianlux said:
    I don't think her complaint is unjustified but the way she went about it sure is.  She could have just discretely gone up to one of the flight attendants and explained the situation and asked is there were other options for seating.  Then maybe they could have put a kid or someone small who would fit in the tight space.  This could have been handled way better.  But then, a lot of people just prefer to be pissed off.

    It's also sad that obesity is so common that this kind of thing happens more often than it used to.  There have been reports of several similar situations on airplanes.  When I in middle school and high school my father worked for a major airline and we flew about once a year and never had a problem with not having enough room to sit on the plane.  Part of that may be that seats are smaller, but in general, so were people.
    It also may be that we see these stories and it gets us thinking it happens more often than it really does.  I fly a few times a year and it's never happened to me, though my wife had someone that was bordering on needing two seats.  But, I do think if we see a few stories a year, we could over-estimate the frequency. (of course, my experience is also anecdotal...)
    Yeah, you're probably right.  Good old Face Book news, right?  :lol:
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    I agree airline seat is not the roomiest and you do not get much leg room.  My guess when people behave this way, it's often their normal behaviour for most difficult situations and has probably gotten her way most times, that's why the behaviour continues.  But you can not raise a fuss like that on an airline post 911, they just boot you off or call the police.

    I have found in most instances that if you just explain situation politely then the people who can help usually will do their best.  Behave like this woman and this is usually the end results.

    I do not know why fat shaming is tolerated by some.  Anyways, this was a sad situation and I really felt awful for the people sitting beside her.

    The lady sitting beside her handled it better than most would have, and she did not put herself in a position to escalate the situation.  I commend her for that.
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,265
    brianlux said:
    I don't think her complaint is unjustified but the way she went about it sure is.  She could have just discretely gone up to one of the flight attendants and explained the situation and asked is there were other options for seating.  Then maybe they could have put a kid or someone small who would fit in the tight space.  This could have been handled way better.  But then, a lot of people just prefer to be pissed off.

    It's also sad that obesity is so common that this kind of thing happens more often than it used to.  There have been reports of several similar situations on airplanes.  When I in middle school and high school my father worked for a major airline and we flew about once a year and never had a problem with not having enough room to sit on the plane.  Part of that may be that seats are smaller, but in general, so were people.
    I think this is a good take on what we saw there.

    The woman who was in the middle seat is obviously not a nice person.  To talk on the phone loudly like that while on a plane is enough reason for me to have a problem with people....but to do so in a way to clearly antagonize the two human beings sitting on either side of her is just plain mean.

    That being stated.....it is total bullshit that  the airline provides individuals single tickets when they cannot fit in the seats.  I have flown as many as 40-50 trips a year (which means 80-100 flights if all were direct to/from) over the past 7 years since moving and the best part about status on the plane is being able to pick the aisle seat.  I can move the armrest up and slide over if the person beside me is obese.

    Historically I have been in the position this woman was in -- recall one flight from Detroit to La Guardia in particular where one of the obese people also smelled like they had rolled in goat turds for an hour before boarding.  I honestly was ok with the plane crashing about halfway through our trip.  Miserable.

    They don't let you bring more luggage than will fit, they should make people buy 2 seats if they cannot fit properly in one.  I know they did this to Kevin Smith on Southwest a while back and got some negative pub for it.

    The closest I had to any sort of altercation was one time where the woman who came and sat next to me in the middle seat wanted to put the armrest up and I asked her to keep it down.  I know am sure it was uncomfortable for her based on her size, but I did not want her body pressed against mine for hours.  If that makes me a bad person I guess I am OK with it.  I try to be the best that I can, but I am sure I fall short at times.

    This lady was horrible about it and I am shocked she did not have a red hat on with the way she thought it was OK to treat people.
    (A footnote to the woman who taped this...calling someone a bitch is verbally abusive.  Not that I blame her given how the woman was with her....I think the shoe fits.)
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,025
    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    I don't think her complaint is unjustified but the way she went about it sure is.  She could have just discretely gone up to one of the flight attendants and explained the situation and asked is there were other options for seating.  Then maybe they could have put a kid or someone small who would fit in the tight space.  This could have been handled way better.  But then, a lot of people just prefer to be pissed off.

    It's also sad that obesity is so common that this kind of thing happens more often than it used to.  There have been reports of several similar situations on airplanes.  When I in middle school and high school my father worked for a major airline and we flew about once a year and never had a problem with not having enough room to sit on the plane.  Part of that may be that seats are smaller, but in general, so were people.
    I think this is a good take on what we saw there.

    The woman who was in the middle seat is obviously not a nice person.  To talk on the phone loudly like that while on a plane is enough reason for me to have a problem with people....but to do so in a way to clearly antagonize the two human beings sitting on either side of her is just plain mean.

    That being stated.....it is total bullshit that  the airline provides individuals single tickets when they cannot fit in the seats.  I have flown as many as 40-50 trips a year (which means 80-100 flights if all were direct to/from) over the past 7 years since moving and the best part about status on the plane is being able to pick the aisle seat.  I can move the armrest up and slide over if the person beside me is obese.

    Historically I have been in the position this woman was in -- recall one flight from Detroit to La Guardia in particular where one of the obese people also smelled like they had rolled in goat turds for an hour before boarding.  I honestly was ok with the plane crashing about halfway through our trip.  Miserable.

    They don't let you bring more luggage than will fit, they should make people buy 2 seats if they cannot fit properly in one.  I know they did this to Kevin Smith on Southwest a while back and got some negative pub for it.

    The closest I had to any sort of altercation was one time where the woman who came and sat next to me in the middle seat wanted to put the armrest up and I asked her to keep it down.  I know am sure it was uncomfortable for her based on her size, but I did not want her body pressed against mine for hours.  If that makes me a bad person I guess I am OK with it.  I try to be the best that I can, but I am sure I fall short at times.

    This lady was horrible about it and I am shocked she did not have a red hat on with the way she thought it was OK to treat people.
    (A footnote to the woman who taped this...calling someone a bitch is verbally abusive.  Not that I blame her given how the woman was with her....I think the shoe fits.)
    Good points all around.  I'm glad my job doesn't require flying.  I think I'd have to change careers.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    brianlux said:
    I don't think her complaint is unjustified but the way she went about it sure is.  She could have just discretely gone up to one of the flight attendants and explained the situation and asked is there were other options for seating.  Then maybe they could have put a kid or someone small who would fit in the tight space.  This could have been handled way better.  But then, a lot of people just prefer to be pissed off.

    It's also sad that obesity is so common that this kind of thing happens more often than it used to.  There have been reports of several similar situations on airplanes.  When I in middle school and high school my father worked for a major airline and we flew about once a year and never had a problem with not having enough room to sit on the plane.  Part of that may be that seats are smaller, but in general, so were people.
    drakeheuer14 said:
    I blame airlines and their tiny seats. Even a moderately sized man seems squeezed in
    No shit. My biggest problem is my knees. And if the fucker in front of me decided they want to lean back? Ouch! 

    Assholes are a bigger pain then overweight people. 
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,265
    brianlux said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    I don't think her complaint is unjustified but the way she went about it sure is.  She could have just discretely gone up to one of the flight attendants and explained the situation and asked is there were other options for seating.  Then maybe they could have put a kid or someone small who would fit in the tight space.  This could have been handled way better.  But then, a lot of people just prefer to be pissed off.

    It's also sad that obesity is so common that this kind of thing happens more often than it used to.  There have been reports of several similar situations on airplanes.  When I in middle school and high school my father worked for a major airline and we flew about once a year and never had a problem with not having enough room to sit on the plane.  Part of that may be that seats are smaller, but in general, so were people.
    I think this is a good take on what we saw there.

    The woman who was in the middle seat is obviously not a nice person.  To talk on the phone loudly like that while on a plane is enough reason for me to have a problem with people....but to do so in a way to clearly antagonize the two human beings sitting on either side of her is just plain mean.

    That being stated.....it is total bullshit that  the airline provides individuals single tickets when they cannot fit in the seats.  I have flown as many as 40-50 trips a year (which means 80-100 flights if all were direct to/from) over the past 7 years since moving and the best part about status on the plane is being able to pick the aisle seat.  I can move the armrest up and slide over if the person beside me is obese.

    Historically I have been in the position this woman was in -- recall one flight from Detroit to La Guardia in particular where one of the obese people also smelled like they had rolled in goat turds for an hour before boarding.  I honestly was ok with the plane crashing about halfway through our trip.  Miserable.

    They don't let you bring more luggage than will fit, they should make people buy 2 seats if they cannot fit properly in one.  I know they did this to Kevin Smith on Southwest a while back and got some negative pub for it.

    The closest I had to any sort of altercation was one time where the woman who came and sat next to me in the middle seat wanted to put the armrest up and I asked her to keep it down.  I know am sure it was uncomfortable for her based on her size, but I did not want her body pressed against mine for hours.  If that makes me a bad person I guess I am OK with it.  I try to be the best that I can, but I am sure I fall short at times.

    This lady was horrible about it and I am shocked she did not have a red hat on with the way she thought it was OK to treat people.
    (A footnote to the woman who taped this...calling someone a bitch is verbally abusive.  Not that I blame her given how the woman was with her....I think the shoe fits.)
    Good points all around.  I'm glad my job doesn't require flying.  I think I'd have to change careers.
    I have a solid routine and follow it.  Actually do not mind, for the most part.
    The largest drawback, unsurprisingly, is people.  People who fly infrequently and do not understand how to make things go smoothly.  I get it but it is an annoyance.  The biggest one is rude ass people.  People like this woman.  People who act like the plane is their shitty apartment.
    Watching people at airports is a master-class in human behavior and in particular, why Americans are viewed the way we are.
    I am bitter when I cannot go into the airport clubs and escape the behavior of the masses.  So many drunk, loud, intolerant, abusive, ignorant people.  It really is incredible.  I have seen SO many things I never thought I would see -- I can only imagine what the stories are like from people who work at airports.

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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    I don't think her complaint is unjustified but the way she went about it sure is.  She could have just discretely gone up to one of the flight attendants and explained the situation and asked is there were other options for seating.  Then maybe they could have put a kid or someone small who would fit in the tight space.  This could have been handled way better.  But then, a lot of people just prefer to be pissed off.

    It's also sad that obesity is so common that this kind of thing happens more often than it used to.  There have been reports of several similar situations on airplanes.  When I in middle school and high school my father worked for a major airline and we flew about once a year and never had a problem with not having enough room to sit on the plane.  Part of that may be that seats are smaller, but in general, so were people.
    I think this is a good take on what we saw there.

    The woman who was in the middle seat is obviously not a nice person.  To talk on the phone loudly like that while on a plane is enough reason for me to have a problem with people....but to do so in a way to clearly antagonize the two human beings sitting on either side of her is just plain mean.

    That being stated.....it is total bullshit that  the airline provides individuals single tickets when they cannot fit in the seats.  I have flown as many as 40-50 trips a year (which means 80-100 flights if all were direct to/from) over the past 7 years since moving and the best part about status on the plane is being able to pick the aisle seat.  I can move the armrest up and slide over if the person beside me is obese.

    Historically I have been in the position this woman was in -- recall one flight from Detroit to La Guardia in particular where one of the obese people also smelled like they had rolled in goat turds for an hour before boarding.  I honestly was ok with the plane crashing about halfway through our trip.  Miserable.

    They don't let you bring more luggage than will fit, they should make people buy 2 seats if they cannot fit properly in one.  I know they did this to Kevin Smith on Southwest a while back and got some negative pub for it.

    The closest I had to any sort of altercation was one time where the woman who came and sat next to me in the middle seat wanted to put the armrest up and I asked her to keep it down.  I know am sure it was uncomfortable for her based on her size, but I did not want her body pressed against mine for hours.  If that makes me a bad person I guess I am OK with it.  I try to be the best that I can, but I am sure I fall short at times.

    This lady was horrible about it and I am shocked she did not have a red hat on with the way she thought it was OK to treat people.
    (A footnote to the woman who taped this...calling someone a bitch is verbally abusive.  Not that I blame her given how the woman was with her....I think the shoe fits.)
    Good points all around.  I'm glad my job doesn't require flying.  I think I'd have to change careers.
    The only part of flying as a career that intrigues me is being a pilot.  At least you can shut the cockpit door and not have to hear and see some of that craziness.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    This woman was a royal doosh. The loud cackling on the phone was a dead giveaway to her dooshiness. To boot... she wasn't exactly the picture of health herself- she just happened to be thinner than those two people.

    I'm glad the other people stood up for the two fat people. They clearly have health issues, but they didn't seem to have any social issues which makes them okay in my books- they were way more patient than I would have been.

    People need to do a better job of maintaining lifelong fitness though. Pure and simple. I see people grow up in wheelchairs or missing limbs... and then I see able-bodied people abuse themselves to the point of obesity and the gift they've been given... and I don't really like it.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,025
    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    I don't think her complaint is unjustified but the way she went about it sure is.  She could have just discretely gone up to one of the flight attendants and explained the situation and asked is there were other options for seating.  Then maybe they could have put a kid or someone small who would fit in the tight space.  This could have been handled way better.  But then, a lot of people just prefer to be pissed off.

    It's also sad that obesity is so common that this kind of thing happens more often than it used to.  There have been reports of several similar situations on airplanes.  When I in middle school and high school my father worked for a major airline and we flew about once a year and never had a problem with not having enough room to sit on the plane.  Part of that may be that seats are smaller, but in general, so were people.
    I think this is a good take on what we saw there.

    The woman who was in the middle seat is obviously not a nice person.  To talk on the phone loudly like that while on a plane is enough reason for me to have a problem with people....but to do so in a way to clearly antagonize the two human beings sitting on either side of her is just plain mean.

    That being stated.....it is total bullshit that  the airline provides individuals single tickets when they cannot fit in the seats.  I have flown as many as 40-50 trips a year (which means 80-100 flights if all were direct to/from) over the past 7 years since moving and the best part about status on the plane is being able to pick the aisle seat.  I can move the armrest up and slide over if the person beside me is obese.

    Historically I have been in the position this woman was in -- recall one flight from Detroit to La Guardia in particular where one of the obese people also smelled like they had rolled in goat turds for an hour before boarding.  I honestly was ok with the plane crashing about halfway through our trip.  Miserable.

    They don't let you bring more luggage than will fit, they should make people buy 2 seats if they cannot fit properly in one.  I know they did this to Kevin Smith on Southwest a while back and got some negative pub for it.

    The closest I had to any sort of altercation was one time where the woman who came and sat next to me in the middle seat wanted to put the armrest up and I asked her to keep it down.  I know am sure it was uncomfortable for her based on her size, but I did not want her body pressed against mine for hours.  If that makes me a bad person I guess I am OK with it.  I try to be the best that I can, but I am sure I fall short at times.

    This lady was horrible about it and I am shocked she did not have a red hat on with the way she thought it was OK to treat people.
    (A footnote to the woman who taped this...calling someone a bitch is verbally abusive.  Not that I blame her given how the woman was with her....I think the shoe fits.)
    Good points all around.  I'm glad my job doesn't require flying.  I think I'd have to change careers.
    I have a solid routine and follow it.  Actually do not mind, for the most part.
    The largest drawback, unsurprisingly, is people.  People who fly infrequently and do not understand how to make things go smoothly.  I get it but it is an annoyance.  The biggest one is rude ass people.  People like this woman.  People who act like the plane is their shitty apartment.
    Watching people at airports is a master-class in human behavior and in particular, why Americans are viewed the way we are.
    I am bitter when I cannot go into the airport clubs and escape the behavior of the masses.  So many drunk, loud, intolerant, abusive, ignorant people.  It really is incredible.  I have seen SO many things I never thought I would see -- I can only imagine what the stories are like from people who work at airports.

    Easy solution:  Send them down to the belly of the plane in the baggage compartment and tell them stretch out as much as they like.
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,265
    brianlux said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    I don't think her complaint is unjustified but the way she went about it sure is.  She could have just discretely gone up to one of the flight attendants and explained the situation and asked is there were other options for seating.  Then maybe they could have put a kid or someone small who would fit in the tight space.  This could have been handled way better.  But then, a lot of people just prefer to be pissed off.

    It's also sad that obesity is so common that this kind of thing happens more often than it used to.  There have been reports of several similar situations on airplanes.  When I in middle school and high school my father worked for a major airline and we flew about once a year and never had a problem with not having enough room to sit on the plane.  Part of that may be that seats are smaller, but in general, so were people.
    I think this is a good take on what we saw there.

    The woman who was in the middle seat is obviously not a nice person.  To talk on the phone loudly like that while on a plane is enough reason for me to have a problem with people....but to do so in a way to clearly antagonize the two human beings sitting on either side of her is just plain mean.

    That being stated.....it is total bullshit that  the airline provides individuals single tickets when they cannot fit in the seats.  I have flown as many as 40-50 trips a year (which means 80-100 flights if all were direct to/from) over the past 7 years since moving and the best part about status on the plane is being able to pick the aisle seat.  I can move the armrest up and slide over if the person beside me is obese.

    Historically I have been in the position this woman was in -- recall one flight from Detroit to La Guardia in particular where one of the obese people also smelled like they had rolled in goat turds for an hour before boarding.  I honestly was ok with the plane crashing about halfway through our trip.  Miserable.

    They don't let you bring more luggage than will fit, they should make people buy 2 seats if they cannot fit properly in one.  I know they did this to Kevin Smith on Southwest a while back and got some negative pub for it.

    The closest I had to any sort of altercation was one time where the woman who came and sat next to me in the middle seat wanted to put the armrest up and I asked her to keep it down.  I know am sure it was uncomfortable for her based on her size, but I did not want her body pressed against mine for hours.  If that makes me a bad person I guess I am OK with it.  I try to be the best that I can, but I am sure I fall short at times.

    This lady was horrible about it and I am shocked she did not have a red hat on with the way she thought it was OK to treat people.
    (A footnote to the woman who taped this...calling someone a bitch is verbally abusive.  Not that I blame her given how the woman was with her....I think the shoe fits.)
    Good points all around.  I'm glad my job doesn't require flying.  I think I'd have to change careers.
    I have a solid routine and follow it.  Actually do not mind, for the most part.
    The largest drawback, unsurprisingly, is people.  People who fly infrequently and do not understand how to make things go smoothly.  I get it but it is an annoyance.  The biggest one is rude ass people.  People like this woman.  People who act like the plane is their shitty apartment.
    Watching people at airports is a master-class in human behavior and in particular, why Americans are viewed the way we are.
    I am bitter when I cannot go into the airport clubs and escape the behavior of the masses.  So many drunk, loud, intolerant, abusive, ignorant people.  It really is incredible.  I have seen SO many things I never thought I would see -- I can only imagine what the stories are like from people who work at airports.

    Easy solution:  Send them down to the belly of the plane in the baggage compartment and tell them stretch out as much as they like.
    I like this.
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    How about this guy?


  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    Smellyman said:
    How about this guy?


    I read that.  He is a disgusting POS that should have been wheeled off the plane in mid-flight...

    But the flight attendant should have refused after she punched him in the nose and throat...

    But in all seriousness, just leave the pig in the bathroom with his pants down.  If you are travelling and require personal care then you bring your own support worker.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Smellyman said:
    How about this guy?



    I would have refused.

    Not a chance I'd have helped him. "Help yourself, man."
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    I don't think her complaint is unjustified but the way she went about it sure is.  She could have just discretely gone up to one of the flight attendants and explained the situation and asked is there were other options for seating.  Then maybe they could have put a kid or someone small who would fit in the tight space.  This could have been handled way better.  But then, a lot of people just prefer to be pissed off.

    It's also sad that obesity is so common that this kind of thing happens more often than it used to.  There have been reports of several similar situations on airplanes.  When I in middle school and high school my father worked for a major airline and we flew about once a year and never had a problem with not having enough room to sit on the plane.  Part of that may be that seats are smaller, but in general, so were people.
    I think this is a good take on what we saw there.

    The woman who was in the middle seat is obviously not a nice person.  To talk on the phone loudly like that while on a plane is enough reason for me to have a problem with people....but to do so in a way to clearly antagonize the two human beings sitting on either side of her is just plain mean.

    That being stated.....it is total bullshit that  the airline provides individuals single tickets when they cannot fit in the seats.  I have flown as many as 40-50 trips a year (which means 80-100 flights if all were direct to/from) over the past 7 years since moving and the best part about status on the plane is being able to pick the aisle seat.  I can move the armrest up and slide over if the person beside me is obese.

    Historically I have been in the position this woman was in -- recall one flight from Detroit to La Guardia in particular where one of the obese people also smelled like they had rolled in goat turds for an hour before boarding.  I honestly was ok with the plane crashing about halfway through our trip.  Miserable.

    They don't let you bring more luggage than will fit, they should make people buy 2 seats if they cannot fit properly in one.  I know they did this to Kevin Smith on Southwest a while back and got some negative pub for it.

    The closest I had to any sort of altercation was one time where the woman who came and sat next to me in the middle seat wanted to put the armrest up and I asked her to keep it down.  I know am sure it was uncomfortable for her based on her size, but I did not want her body pressed against mine for hours.  If that makes me a bad person I guess I am OK with it.  I try to be the best that I can, but I am sure I fall short at times.

    This lady was horrible about it and I am shocked she did not have a red hat on with the way she thought it was OK to treat people.
    (A footnote to the woman who taped this...calling someone a bitch is verbally abusive.  Not that I blame her given how the woman was with her....I think the shoe fits.)
    Good points all around.  I'm glad my job doesn't require flying.  I think I'd have to change careers.
    I have a solid routine and follow it.  Actually do not mind, for the most part.
    The largest drawback, unsurprisingly, is people.  People who fly infrequently and do not understand how to make things go smoothly.  I get it but it is an annoyance.  The biggest one is rude ass people.  People like this woman.  People who act like the plane is their shitty apartment.
    Watching people at airports is a master-class in human behavior and in particular, why Americans are viewed the way we are.
    I am bitter when I cannot go into the airport clubs and escape the behavior of the masses.  So many drunk, loud, intolerant, abusive, ignorant people.  It really is incredible.  I have seen SO many things I never thought I would see -- I can only imagine what the stories are like from people who work at airports.

    I used to fly frequently and was always surprised at how many people it seemed were flying for the first time.

    Doesn't anyone pay attention to what the other 20 people did in front of you?

    Also thread integrity, I sat next to a very large co-worker who wasn't always pleasant smelling on a flight that was going to be 14 hours long.

    I asked the flight attendant to please find me another seat and they did.  
  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    I hate every aspect of plane travel nowadays.  The moment on the way to the airport to leaving the airport.  It all f'ing sucks.

    Trying to talk my wife into a sailboat.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    F Me In The Brain said:
    I have a solid routine and follow it.  Actually do not mind, for the most part.
    The largest drawback, unsurprisingly, is people.  People who fly infrequently and do not understand how to make things go smoothly.  I get it but it is an annoyance.  The biggest one is rude ass people.  People like this woman.  People who act like the plane is their shitty apartment.
    Watching people at airports is a master-class in human behavior and in particular, why Americans are viewed the way we are.
    I am bitter when I cannot go into the airport clubs and escape the behavior of the masses.  So many drunk, loud, intolerant, abusive, ignorant people.  It really is incredible.  I have seen SO many things I never thought I would see -- I can only imagine what the stories are like from people who work at airports.


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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    Smellyman said:
    I hate every aspect of plane travel nowadays.  The moment on the way to the airport to leaving the airport.  It all f'ing sucks.

    Trying to talk my wife into a sailboat.
    Flying is very fun when you focus on "people watching".

    I loved it.
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,265
    edited January 2019
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Smellyman said:
    I hate every aspect of plane travel nowadays.  The moment on the way to the airport to leaving the airport.  It all f'ing sucks.

    Trying to talk my wife into a sailboat.
    Flying is very fun when you focus on "people watching".

    I loved it.
    There was a time when I felt that way too.
    No longer.
    Now I keep my head down and go to whichever one of the lounges I can gain access to.  The shitty small airports often do not have them so I am stuck observing at that point...nothing to do about it. 
    Once on the plane I have my head down as often as I can as well.  Sitting in the first few rows (or 1st class if I can bump) generally puts me with other frequent fliers who know to generally keep their heads down as well.  Some fuckers are like this blonde lady who choose to be rude and treat the seat as their personal office.  Most, do not.
    Post edited by F Me In The Brain on
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    I really only hate flying on the holidays. Its much crazier, security lines take twice as long. Other than that I really don't mind it.

    It does seem unfair to be stuck in that situation, but how that lady handled makes me have zero sympathy for her. You should be entitled to a certain amount of space, and when someone encroaches on it whether it be due to weight or any other reason, it really isn't fair.

    I've always found it ironic that airlines are so strict with weight limits for luggage and overhead space, but then I seem them squeeze a 350 lb person into 1 seat.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    mace1229 said:
    I really only hate flying on the holidays. Its much crazier, security lines take twice as long. Other than that I really don't mind it.

    It does seem unfair to be stuck in that situation, but how that lady handled makes me have zero sympathy for her. You should be entitled to a certain amount of space, and when someone encroaches on it whether it be due to weight or any other reason, it really isn't fair.

    I've always found it ironic that airlines are so strict with weight limits for luggage and overhead space, but then I seem them squeeze a 350 lb person into 1 seat.
    The guy i mentioned before was pushing 400lbs.  He carried his own, yes his very own, "extender belt" for the seat belt so he wouldn't have to ask for one.

    Guy traveled with his own.  How money is that?
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    edited January 2019
    Meltdown99 said:
    Smellyman said:
    How about this guy?


    I read that.  He is a disgusting POS that should have been wheeled off the plane in mid-flight...

    But the flight attendant should have refused after she punched him in the nose and throat...

    But in all seriousness, just leave the pig in the bathroom with his pants down.  If you are travelling and require personal care then you bring your own support worker.
    Absolutely. If I'd been that flight attendant I would have told him to pound sand. I also would have told him that he's not allowed back to his seat with a shitty ass, so he better figure out a way to wipe it, or stay in the bathroom. I seriously can't believe the flight attendant actually agreed to do that.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    Society shouldn't cater to people being overly obese. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,265
    They have issues with their glands, it is not their fault.
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