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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 29,182
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    she's being talked about, the issues she promotes are being talked about. how is that a mistake?
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  • mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
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  • criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    Maybe I am too cynical, but my guess is that the elites that attend a gala like that are well aware of the inequity of wealth and the fact that they benefit from the current tax system. I just don't think they care, or don't care enough to do anything about it.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 23,864
    mrussel1 said:
    I think she's a fool.  
    Ted Crud is a fool. Matt Getts Off is a fool. Maggie Three Names is a fool. Boebert is a fool. Deathsantis is a fool. AOC is not a fool.

    Speaks truth to power. An equivalent set of balls would be any of my aforementioned fools wearing an outfit that said “ban assault weapons” to CPAC or whatever conservative hosted charitable gala, if there are any, they happened to be invited to.

    Speaking of charitable galas, which ones do “compassionate conservatives” organize, attend and donate to?

    And let’s see if her political donations drop off and she’s unseated in 2022, being the “fool” you think she is.
    She speaks what she believes to be her truth.  That's not my truth. So I think she is foolish in the way she approaches issues. She doesn't appear to be interested in actually solving problems.  She decides instead to do this, or go after Manchin for calling her a "young lady"... and that all drowns out whatever message she is trying to get across.  That's foolish to me. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 23,864
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    she's being talked about, the issues she promotes are being talked about. how is that a mistake?
    Because people are talking about HER, not her message.  I don't buy the 'any attention is good attention' mantra of the Lindsay Lohan's of the world. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 23,864
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
    She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
    She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 
    Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 29,182
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    Maybe I am too cynical, but my guess is that the elites that attend a gala like that are well aware of the inequity of wealth and the fact that they benefit from the current tax system. I just don't think they care, or don't care enough to do anything about it.
    i get what you are saying. you are most likely right. but it promotes her message and shows her constituents that she's willing to speak up where it's not welcome. it's as much a political message as it is social. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 29,182
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    she's being talked about, the issues she promotes are being talked about. how is that a mistake?
    Because people are talking about HER, not her message.  I don't buy the 'any attention is good attention' mantra of the Lindsay Lohan's of the world. 
    disagree. her issue is being talked about. it usually is. the left is focusing on the issue, the right is equally focusing on it because they love to call her a socialist communist. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 23,864
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
    She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 
    Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.
    She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

    My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 23,864
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    she's being talked about, the issues she promotes are being talked about. how is that a mistake?
    Because people are talking about HER, not her message.  I don't buy the 'any attention is good attention' mantra of the Lindsay Lohan's of the world. 
    disagree. her issue is being talked about. it usually is. the left is focusing on the issue, the right is equally focusing on it because they love to call her a socialist communist. 
    Is it?  Only by the people that are already sold on it.  She hurts swing districts. 
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 12,601
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    she's being talked about, the issues she promotes are being talked about. how is that a mistake?
    Because people are talking about HER, not her message.  I don't buy the 'any attention is good attention' mantra of the Lindsay Lohan's of the world. 
    disagree. her issue is being talked about. it usually is. the left is focusing on the issue, the right is equally focusing on it because they love to call her a socialist communist. 

    The right will only ever talk about "her", rather than talking about the issues, no matter how she dresses or where she goes, so why not just capitalize on that?

    I agree that if you want to get your message in the face of the rich, you might as well go where the rich are. 
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 12,601
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    Maybe I am too cynical, but my guess is that the elites that attend a gala like that are well aware of the inequity of wealth and the fact that they benefit from the current tax system. I just don't think they care, or don't care enough to do anything about it.
    Some of them will care more when they feel it makes them look bad personally. If you want to be cynical, some of them will care because advancing this issue will get them positive publicity.
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  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
    She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 
    Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.
    She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

    My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 
    What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

    Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 23,864
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
    She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 
    Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.
    She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

    My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 
    What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

    Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
    No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

    And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

    But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  
  • criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    Maybe I am too cynical, but my guess is that the elites that attend a gala like that are well aware of the inequity of wealth and the fact that they benefit from the current tax system. I just don't think they care, or don't care enough to do anything about it.
    Some of them will care more when they feel it makes them look bad personally. If you want to be cynical, some of them will care because advancing this issue will get them positive publicity.
    My observance has been that people like that live in a bubble, and the outside noise rarely gets to them enough to move their needle substantially. You might be right about the potential for positive publicity though.
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
    She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 
    Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.
    She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

    My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 
    What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

    Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
    No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

    And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

    But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  
    Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.

    Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.

    The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof.  What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.

    Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done.  If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?

    Happens all the time here.
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
    She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 
    Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.
    She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

    My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 
    What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

    Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
    No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

    And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

    But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  
    Seems like work to me:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

    Stupid debates? You're the one claiming that AOC "hasn't done the work." The history of Congress, the way it works, is by seniority. Appointed by majority/minority leadership. Newbies get relegated to sub-committees, typically, unless they come from a state with political clout. Did I say zero? I said rare but yet you made the claim. Again, what other first or second term congress person from either party has had major legislation passed? Why is AOC, in your eyes, held to a higher standard?

    My position on Amazon was clearly stated in the Amazon or Bezos thread and I backed AOC on her decision. Again, on behalf of her constituents. Crystal City is a perfect spot for Amazon. How's the traffic and real estate prices in the surrounding area?

    What attempted coup? Against House leadership? Sure. Did it give her standing? Yes. Did it let the old guard know that the future is nipping at their heels for a whole host of reasons, climate change, wealth/income disparity, rigged elections, education costs, etc.? Sure she did. Do the young dem people who vote subscribe more to her views or your views?

    Again, you didn't answer my questions as it relates to the Green New Deal, for which, if memory serves, you condemned her for as well. Making sausage is hard.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 23,864
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
    She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 
    Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.
    She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

    My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 
    What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

    Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
    No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

    And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

    But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  
    Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.

    Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.

    The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof.  What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.

    Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done.  If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?

    Happens all the time here.
    So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc.  Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?  
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
    She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 
    Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.
    She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

    My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 
    What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

    Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
    No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

    And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

    But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  
    Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.

    Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.

    The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof.  What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.

    Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done.  If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?

    Happens all the time here.
    So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc.  Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?  
    There's an awful lot square footage available in POOTWH Tower, maybe Amazon could set up shop there?

    As a rule? C'mon, man. No, they're against giving ginormous tax breaks to one of the world's wealthiest individuals so his 200% employee turn over company can come in and displace folks with meager means who have lived in the neighborhood for generations in some instances.
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  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
    She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 
    Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.
    She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

    My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 
    What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

    Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
    No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

    And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

    But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  
    Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.

    Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.

    The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof.  What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.

    Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done.  If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?

    Happens all the time here.
    So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc.  Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?  
    If you have lets say 200,000 people living in that area and rent becomes incontrollable and now only affluent people can live there those people have to move.

    Where are they going?  Their jobs and livelihood are most likely in that surrounding area.  Now they get forced out.  It's a form of gentrification.

    The jobs aspect and taxes I can understand but that wasn't representing HER constituents so she did what the people she works for wanted.

    I wanted it here for jobs and such.  It would suck though to be anywhere near LIC after it would be built.  That place is a nightmare now so I can only imagine what it would be like after HQ2?
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    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
    She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 
    Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.
    She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

    My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 
    What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

    Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
    No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

    And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

    But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  
    Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.

    Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.

    The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof.  What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.

    Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done.  If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?

    Happens all the time here.
    So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc.  Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?  
    There's an awful lot square footage available in POOTWH Tower, maybe Amazon could set up shop there?

    As a rule? C'mon, man. No, they're against giving ginormous tax breaks to one of the world's wealthiest individuals so his 200% employee turn over company can come in and displace folks with meager means who have lived in the neighborhood for generations in some instances.
    See this is about one person.. Bezos.  The guy that owns 10% of the company.  The math is clear that the revenue generated to the state would far, far exceed the tax breaks.  That makes this an NPV negative decision AND demagoguery.  
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
    She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 
    Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.
    She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

    My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 
    What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

    Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
    No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

    And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

    But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  
    Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.

    Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.

    The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof.  What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.

    Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done.  If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?

    Happens all the time here.
    So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc.  Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?  
    There's an awful lot square footage available in POOTWH Tower, maybe Amazon could set up shop there?

    As a rule? C'mon, man. No, they're against giving ginormous tax breaks to one of the world's wealthiest individuals so his 200% employee turn over company can come in and displace folks with meager means who have lived in the neighborhood for generations in some instances.
    See this is about one person.. Bezos.  The guy that owns 10% of the company.  The math is clear that the revenue generated to the state would far, far exceed the tax breaks.  That makes this an NPV negative decision AND demagoguery.  
    Read my response above.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 23,864
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
    She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 
    Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.
    She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

    My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 
    What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

    Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
    No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

    And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

    But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  
    Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.

    Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.

    The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof.  What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.

    Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done.  If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?

    Happens all the time here.
    So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc.  Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?  
    If you have lets say 200,000 people living in that area and rent becomes incontrollable and now only affluent people can live there those people have to move.

    Where are they going?  Their jobs and livelihood are most likely in that surrounding area.  Now they get forced out.  It's a form of gentrification.

    The jobs aspect and taxes I can understand but that wasn't representing HER constituents so she did what the people she works for wanted.

    I wanted it here for jobs and such.  It would suck though to be anywhere near LIC after it would be built.  That place is a nightmare now so I can only imagine what it would be like after HQ2?
    Why can't any of her people work for Amazon?  And yeah, gentrification happens everywhere.  Is reducing an area to a slum a better option?  What company is she waiting for to come in and bring the perfect mix of jobs and income, without any rent issues, etc.  I don't believe in Utopia. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
    She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 
    Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.
    She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

    My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 
    What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

    Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
    No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

    And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

    But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  
    Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.

    Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.

    The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof.  What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.

    Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done.  If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?

    Happens all the time here.
    So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc.  Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?  
    There's an awful lot square footage available in POOTWH Tower, maybe Amazon could set up shop there?

    As a rule? C'mon, man. No, they're against giving ginormous tax breaks to one of the world's wealthiest individuals so his 200% employee turn over company can come in and displace folks with meager means who have lived in the neighborhood for generations in some instances.
    See this is about one person.. Bezos.  The guy that owns 10% of the company.  The math is clear that the revenue generated to the state would far, far exceed the tax breaks.  That makes this an NPV negative decision AND demagoguery.  
    And why shouldn't it be "about one person, Bezos?" He was CEO until just recently. Sounds like indentured servitude. Nice company. From a guy who started it, owns just 10% of it and is one of the world's wealthiest individuals. Fuck him.

    Oh, and I was mistaken, their turnover isn't 200%, its 150%. My bad.

    Amazon is currently the second-largest private employer in the U.S., and it could become the largest in a few years. But a new investigation by the New York Times raises significant questions about the company’s management of warehouse workers and discovers an unusually high rate of turnover among its hourly associates — around 150% a year, even before the pandemic, which means the company was losing around 3% of its warehouse workers each week (nearly double the rate of similar businesses).

    “There’s an open question now — because the turnover is so high, and Amazon’s needs for growth and employment is so large — about whether or not it’s sustainable,” said New York Times technology reporter Karen Weise, who reported the story along with Jodi Kantor, a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter at the Times.

    “In conversations with current and former executives and leaders in Seattle, there is a palpable fear that Amazon will not have enough workers to be able to serve the customer demands that it foresees,” Weise said.

    Part of what was so interesting, Kantor told “Marketplace Morning Report” host David Brancaccio, was that Amazon has long seen high turnover as a good thing — and has deliberately encouraged it through various internal policies.

    “Bezos really wanted turnover. He was afraid of a stagnant workforce — what he would call a ‘march to mediocrity,’ ” Kantor said.

    Continues

    Investigation into Amazon raises questions about workforce turnover, HR errors - Marketplace

    But think about this:

    Weise: Exactly, it’s the equivalent of having to replace the entire workforce every eight months. And so it creates these incredible pressures and demands to constantly be scooping up new people and putting them through the system. And the hiring is completely automated, essentially. You don’t do an interview, you take an online assessment and you show up for work, basically — besides a drug test and some basic forms.

    And add that black workers at the JFK8 facility were twice as likely as their white counterparts to be terminated. 

    Yea, AOC is a fool.

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    1. Their attrition rate is irrelevant to this conversation.  People attrite for a million different reasons.  Check the attrition rate of a call center, it's higher than 150%.  

    2. I read that NYT article when it came out.  It's full of anecdotes.  Big fucking deal.  I deal with data in my world, not anecdotes.

    3. Why is it bad that it's about one person? Do you think Jeff Bezos notices what happens in his corporate tax bill?  They just moved on to NOVA.  Wow, what a victory for AOC.  She really showed them.  Or should I say "him".. since it's about Jeff Bezos, not the hundreds of thousands of employees and potential employees.  Demagoguery.  
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
    She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 
    Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.
    She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

    My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 
    What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

    Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
    No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

    And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

    But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  
    Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.

    Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.

    The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof.  What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.

    Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done.  If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?

    Happens all the time here.
    So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc.  Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?  
    There's an awful lot square footage available in POOTWH Tower, maybe Amazon could set up shop there?

    As a rule? C'mon, man. No, they're against giving ginormous tax breaks to one of the world's wealthiest individuals so his 200% employee turn over company can come in and displace folks with meager means who have lived in the neighborhood for generations in some instances.
    See this is about one person.. Bezos.  The guy that owns 10% of the company.  The math is clear that the revenue generated to the state would far, far exceed the tax breaks.  That makes this an NPV negative decision AND demagoguery.  
    And regarding the tax revenue generated, where does it go? Does it go back to the neighborhoods where the little people go to live in the form of better schools, roads, infrastructure, healthcare, etc. or does it flow up to the wealthy in the form of tax cuts/breaks? Or get spent in those other, wealthier communities with higher percentages of voter engagement and political contributions?

    I'm seriously interested in this aspect of the impact on Northern Virginia or the state as a whole. Have a budget surplus? Seen reductions in childhood poverty, increases in education attainment or any other positive societal outcome of the net positive tax revenue?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 23,864
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    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
    She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 
    Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.
    She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

    My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 
    What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

    Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
    No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

    And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

    But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  
    Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.

    Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.

    The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof.  What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.

    Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done.  If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?

    Happens all the time here.
    So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc.  Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?  
    There's an awful lot square footage available in POOTWH Tower, maybe Amazon could set up shop there?

    As a rule? C'mon, man. No, they're against giving ginormous tax breaks to one of the world's wealthiest individuals so his 200% employee turn over company can come in and displace folks with meager means who have lived in the neighborhood for generations in some instances.
    See this is about one person.. Bezos.  The guy that owns 10% of the company.  The math is clear that the revenue generated to the state would far, far exceed the tax breaks.  That makes this an NPV negative decision AND demagoguery.  
    And regarding the tax revenue generated, where does it go? Does it go back to the neighborhoods where the little people go to live in the form of better schools, roads, infrastructure, healthcare, etc. or does it flow up to the wealthy in the form of tax cuts/breaks? Or get spent in those other, wealthier communities with higher percentages of voter engagement and political contributions?

    I'm seriously interested in this aspect of the impact on Northern Virginia or the state as a whole. Have a budget surplus? Seen reductions in childhood poverty, increases in education attainment or any other positive societal outcome of the net positive tax revenue?
    I guess the city should stop collecting or allowing new companies to move into NYC until that question is answered... 

    Virginia has a budget surplus, btw.  2.6billion at the end of this year.  And we have some of the best public education in the country.  And our secondary education is second to none.  UVA and W&M are both public schools and some of the best in the country.  
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    1. Their attrition rate is irrelevant to this conversation.  People attrite for a million different reasons.  Check the attrition rate of a call center, it's higher than 150%.  

    2. I read that NYT article when it came out.  It's full of anecdotes.  Big fucking deal.  I deal with data in my world, not anecdotes.

    3. Why is it bad that it's about one person? Do you think Jeff Bezos notices what happens in his corporate tax bill?  They just moved on to NOVA.  Wow, what a victory for AOC.  She really showed them.  Or should I say "him".. since it's about Jeff Bezos, not the hundreds of thousands of employees and potential employees.  Demagoguery.  
    1. I'm sure you would appreciate being replaced every 8 months. Anecdotes? Its a business philosophy being pushed by Bezos and studied by business schools. You don't think its real? And call center turnover rates? I checked. Seems your spreading ancedotes:

    Aug 17, 2021 — According to Quality Assurance and Training Connection, turnover in the call center industry averages 30% and 45%. When you lose a call center ...

    Call Center Turnover: How to Eliminate Employee Attrition Costs - Replicant.ai

    Sep 30, 2020 — The average turnover rate for a call center is 30-40%, but some centers see numbers as high as 100% in a single year. Hopefully, some of this ...

    What’s Causing All That Turnover in Your Call Center? (myworkchoice.com)

    Call Center Attrition averages around 32.6%. ... February 12, 2021 ... While the rate at which people leave call centers, no matter the size of the center, ...

    Call Center Attrition – The Good, The Bad, The Indifferent - Call Criteria

    2. See above

    3. AOC's victory was for her constituents. In her district. As I said, fuck Bezos.
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    criticism is healthy, but it's key to understand what and why you are criticizing. I'd like to know why it's hypocritical to go to an exclusive event and promote a message to close the economic gap? that's exactly the audience you need to reach to gain those things in society, and to get people talking. talking to poor people is all fine and dandy, understanding their problems, but if you don't promote that message to the elite, you won't get anywhere. 

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/style/2021/09/14/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-met-gala-designer-dress-newday-vpx.cnn
    I think the elite are well aware some want to tax them more.  This won't be news to them.  Maybe what you say was her true intent, but it's kind of ham fisted and very likely to be used against her, just like this is being used against her.  As I always say after one of her stunts "she needs to be smarter".  She started her career by trying a coup against Pelosi and she continues to make silly mistakes. 
    She started her career by running against a long term incumbent in a dem primary. She took on Nancy and survived. And wasn’t  treated like Liz Darth Cheney. Silly mistake? Her base isn’t the “elite.”
    She has not accomplished anything, that I'm aware of, during her time in congress.  I think she has sponsored a few bills and they didn't even get out of committee. 
    Name me any first or second term Congress person, from either party, who has “accomplished” anything. Further, is not voting on bills, on behalf of your constituents and not the monied elite donor class, accomplishing something? You have an odd take on representation in Congress.
    She's a celebrity then, not a representative.  Do the work.  You can call her successful when she is successful then.  I'd be curious who she motivates to vote, liberals or conservatives.  I wouldn't be surprised if she motivates the right more than the left, just like MGT.  

    My center left representative (Spanberger) almost lost in 2020 because of the stupid "defund the police" mantra.  Taht's the kind of idiocy that does NOT win elections in swing districts. She laid into Pelosi and others after the election for not shutting that down sooner. 
    What’s her voting record as it relates to the demographics of her district? Do the work? How much of the Green New Deal made its way into Biden’s infrastructure and tax bill? Not all “work” in Congress is measured by legislation that you sponsored or introduced getting passed. And you didn’t answer the question. Hint, it’s a rare occurrence, if it happens at all, that a first or second term congress person gets a bill they wrote passed. Her work is shifting the debate and getting folks to notice. Nancy recognizes that she’s got a future in the dem party and is a key part of the progressive coalition. AOC is no “fool.”

    Hate to break it to you but any dem is a boogeyman for the repubs in their campaigns. What else is new?
    No, not any dem.  One that goes to a 35k gala and wears a Tax the Rich dress is unserious in my book.  

    And I'm not going to get into stupid debates about how many reps have sponsored successful bills in their first two terms.  Are you saying that number is zero?  Because I seriously doubt that is the case. 

    But let's pull the thread.  Can you defend the attempted coup?  Can you defend her pushing Amazon HQ out of NYC?  I say thanks to that.  We welcomed all of the new jobs here in VA.  And it appears she did it because she thinks Jeff Bezos, who owns 10% of Amazon, is too rich.  Or is she, a a rule, against companies moving to NYC?  Idiotic in my book.  
    Her dress was borrowed for the event so there is that.

    Her reasoning for ousting Amazon, which I understand, was it wasn't going to benefit her people.

    The mere rumor of Amazon HQ2 drove real estate prices through the roof.  What that was going to do to her constituents was drive rent prices up and her people out of that area.

    Yes NY has rent control but if you want to renovate the building you can have the people move out until those are done.  If it takes a year and a half do you really want to move back there?

    Happens all the time here.
    So as a rule, NYC politicians are against companies moving in, brining new job (white and blue collar) and restaurants, etc.  Is the best way to control rent prices to just not have any jobs, therefore property will be cheap?  
    There's an awful lot square footage available in POOTWH Tower, maybe Amazon could set up shop there?

    As a rule? C'mon, man. No, they're against giving ginormous tax breaks to one of the world's wealthiest individuals so his 200% employee turn over company can come in and displace folks with meager means who have lived in the neighborhood for generations in some instances.
    See this is about one person.. Bezos.  The guy that owns 10% of the company.  The math is clear that the revenue generated to the state would far, far exceed the tax breaks.  That makes this an NPV negative decision AND demagoguery.  
    And regarding the tax revenue generated, where does it go? Does it go back to the neighborhoods where the little people go to live in the form of better schools, roads, infrastructure, healthcare, etc. or does it flow up to the wealthy in the form of tax cuts/breaks? Or get spent in those other, wealthier communities with higher percentages of voter engagement and political contributions?

    I'm seriously interested in this aspect of the impact on Northern Virginia or the state as a whole. Have a budget surplus? Seen reductions in childhood poverty, increases in education attainment or any other positive societal outcome of the net positive tax revenue?
    I guess the city should stop collecting or allowing new companies to move into NYC until that question is answered... 

    Virginia has a budget surplus, btw.  2.6billion at the end of this year.  And we have some of the best public education in the country.  And our secondary education is second to none.  UVA and W&M are both public schools and some of the best in the country.  
    No, the "city should stop collecting or allowing new companies to move into NYC........." That's just dumb. AOC didn't see the benefits flowing to her constituents. The ones who put her in office. The ones typically marginalized and displaced by a project scope of that size.

    Thanks for the Virginia information. But I'm sure the state's proximity to DC plays a roll, yes? Defense contracting, government, etc., college educated folks in decent paying jobs, demographics. That said, lets see what the impact of Amazon is on the Syracuse area, where a warehouse recently opened. Or wherever it was where they had the recent, failed union drive.
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