Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

tempo_n_groove

jeffbr said:

Conway: Progressive congresswomen represent 'dark underbelly in this country'

She said: "What the president is doing is, we are tired — sick and tired — of many people in this country," she said. "Forget these four. They represent a dark underbelly of people in this country of people who are not respecting our troops, are not giving them the resources and the respect that they deserve."

Nice choice of words from Zombie Barbie. Good Lord, do these racists have any idea that they're talking out loud? 

I'm not seeing the "race card" angle here?

jeffbr

tempo_n_groove said:

jeffbr said:

Conway: Progressive congresswomen represent 'dark underbelly in this country'

She said: "What the president is doing is, we are tired — sick and tired — of many people in this country," she said. "Forget these four. They represent a dark underbelly of people in this country of people who are not respecting our troops, are not giving them the resources and the respect that they deserve."

Nice choice of words from Zombie Barbie. Good Lord, do these racists have any idea that they're talking out loud? 

I'm not seeing the "race card" angle here?

When targeting an attack on a group of women of color it is probably wise to pick words more carefully. Calling people of color a dark underbelly of our country is probably not the best choice of words and is part of the underlying "dog whistle" type of speech this administration is notorious for. It always appeals to the more racist supporters of this administration.

tempo_n_groove

jeffbr said:

tempo_n_groove said:

jeffbr said:

Conway: Progressive congresswomen represent 'dark underbelly in this country'

She said: "What the president is doing is, we are tired — sick and tired — of many people in this country," she said. "Forget these four. They represent a dark underbelly of people in this country of people who are not respecting our troops, are not giving them the resources and the respect that they deserve."

Nice choice of words from Zombie Barbie. Good Lord, do these racists have any idea that they're talking out loud? 

I'm not seeing the "race card" angle here?

When targeting an attack on a group of women of color it is probably wise to pick words more carefully. Calling people of color a dark underbelly of our country is probably not the best choice of words and is part of the underlying "dog whistle" type of speech this administration is notorious for. It always appeals to the more racist supporters of this administration.

Yeah that is what I thought you were grasping at, and I mean grasping.  

Sometimes people look for metaphors and Freudian slips that don't exist.

I have no problem calling people out bt this one doesn't pass the smell test for me.  

I'm out on this one.

jeffbr

tempo_n_groove said:

jeffbr said:

tempo_n_groove said:

jeffbr said:

Conway: Progressive congresswomen represent 'dark underbelly in this country'

She said: "What the president is doing is, we are tired — sick and tired — of many people in this country," she said. "Forget these four. They represent a dark underbelly of people in this country of people who are not respecting our troops, are not giving them the resources and the respect that they deserve."

Nice choice of words from Zombie Barbie. Good Lord, do these racists have any idea that they're talking out loud? 

I'm not seeing the "race card" angle here?

When targeting an attack on a group of women of color it is probably wise to pick words more carefully. Calling people of color a dark underbelly of our country is probably not the best choice of words and is part of the underlying "dog whistle" type of speech this administration is notorious for. It always appeals to the more racist supporters of this administration.

Yeah that is what I thought you were grasping at, and I mean grasping.  

Sometimes people look for metaphors and Freudian slips that don't exist.

I have no problem calling people out bt this one doesn't pass the smell test for me.  

I'm out on this one.

Totally understand. And if it was an isolated incident, or the first time something could have been misconstrued, I'd be with you. But this sort of thing has become a pattern. There's simply no question that the administration has animosity toward people of color, and immigrants. "Shithole countries", Muslim ban, Mexicans are rapists and gang members (well, there might be some who aren't), dark underbelly, Black NFL players who were protesting were "sons of bitches".

PJPOWER

Jason P said:

PJPOWER said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJPOWER said:

Meltdown99 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

There’s actually some similarities between Trump and AOC. They’re both kinda flipping their respective parties on their heads. They both play the race card (AOC saying Pelosi was taliking down on “women of color” when their color played no role at all, and Trump..well it goes without saying all the racial bullshit he spews). They’re both social media obsessed. They both love memes. They both pander to the extremes of their bases (white supremacists for Trump, illegal aliens for AOC). They both come off more as performance artists than elected officials. Lots of common ground. Maybe they’d get along if they ever had a sit-down. Who knows? Maybe she could be Trump’s 4th wife. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez-Trump. 

LOL

They would make only the best buck-toothed orange babies!

LOL.  I can not stand her voice...she sounds like one of those 2-foot gymnasts at the Olympics...like chalk on a blackboard.

She sounds like a Telly Tubby and those damn things are annoying as hell!

That sounds like something an anti-Telly racist would say. 

If Telly is a race, then I am definitely racist against Telly Tubbies...

Spiritual_Chaos

tempo_n_groove

jeffbr said:

tempo_n_groove said:

jeffbr said:

tempo_n_groove said:

jeffbr said:

Conway: Progressive congresswomen represent 'dark underbelly in this country'

She said: "What the president is doing is, we are tired — sick and tired — of many people in this country," she said. "Forget these four. They represent a dark underbelly of people in this country of people who are not respecting our troops, are not giving them the resources and the respect that they deserve."

Nice choice of words from Zombie Barbie. Good Lord, do these racists have any idea that they're talking out loud? 

I'm not seeing the "race card" angle here?

When targeting an attack on a group of women of color it is probably wise to pick words more carefully. Calling people of color a dark underbelly of our country is probably not the best choice of words and is part of the underlying "dog whistle" type of speech this administration is notorious for. It always appeals to the more racist supporters of this administration.

Yeah that is what I thought you were grasping at, and I mean grasping.  

Sometimes people look for metaphors and Freudian slips that don't exist.

I have no problem calling people out bt this one doesn't pass the smell test for me.  

I'm out on this one.

Totally understand. And if it was an isolated incident, or the first time something could have been misconstrued, I'd be with you. But this sort of thing has become a pattern. There's simply no question that the administration has animosity toward people of color, and immigrants. "Shithole countries", Muslim ban, Mexicans are rapists and gang members (well, there might be some who aren't), dark underbelly, Black NFL players who were protesting were "sons of bitches".

I have a hard time w this as he never said that so I really need to stay away from this one Jeff.  Forgive me if I don't reply as I appreciate your input and debate rather well.

Gern Blansten

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/22/donald-trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests

But he did say it....

jeffbr

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/22/donald-trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests

But he did say it....

Exactly.  ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now. Out! He’s fired. He’s fired!’ when talking about a black man protesting racial injustice. When talking about white men protesting racial injustice in Charlotte "very fine people". Again, that's the pattern I'm talking about. In isolation, most examples may not be particularly convincing to people. But taken together, a pattern emerges.

Gern Blansten

Yeah and when confronted about his racist comments he says "many people agree with me".....unreal

I can't believe anyone still supports this piece of shit.  

tempo_n_groove

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/22/donald-trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests

But he did say it....

jeffbr said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/22/donald-trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests

But he did say it....

Exactly.  ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now. Out! He’s fired. He’s fired!’ when talking about a black man protesting racial injustice. When talking about white men protesting racial injustice in Charlotte "very fine people". Again, that's the pattern I'm talking about. In isolation, most examples may not be particularly convincing to people. But taken together, a pattern emerges.

I missed that part where he calls the player a "black player".  Show me that part again?

You are both putting in words and making it mean something entirely different.

The "Very fine people" one is just him being dumb, it really is blown out of proportion.

Why am I defending Trump right now?  Because I disagree with the context in which the opposing argument is being used.

tempo_n_groove

Gern Blansten said:

Yeah and when confronted about his racist comments he says "many people agree with me".....unreal

I can't believe anyone still supports this piece of shit.  

I don't support him I disagree on the way things that he says get blown out of proportion.

Halifax2TheMax

The dog whistles have been numerous and frequent for anyone who’s been listening. No one should be surprised except maybe Faux news viewers. But they just amplify them and their viewers nod in agreement.

Gern Blansten

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/22/donald-trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests

But he did say it....

jeffbr said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/22/donald-trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests

But he did say it....

Exactly.  ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now. Out! He’s fired. He’s fired!’ when talking about a black man protesting racial injustice. When talking about white men protesting racial injustice in Charlotte "very fine people". Again, that's the pattern I'm talking about. In isolation, most examples may not be particularly convincing to people. But taken together, a pattern emerges.

I missed that part where he calls the player a "black player".  Show me that part again?

You are both putting in words and making it mean something entirely different.

The "Very fine people" one is just him being dumb, it really is blown out of proportion.

Why am I defending Trump right now?  Because I disagree with the context in which the opposing argument is being used.

no one said that he said "black player"....no one.  But the dude was black....and he called him a son of a bitch.

PJPOWER

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/22/donald-trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests

But he did say it....

jeffbr said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/22/donald-trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests

But he did say it....

Exactly.  ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now. Out! He’s fired. He’s fired!’ when talking about a black man protesting racial injustice. When talking about white men protesting racial injustice in Charlotte "very fine people". Again, that's the pattern I'm talking about. In isolation, most examples may not be particularly convincing to people. But taken together, a pattern emerges.

I missed that part where he calls the player a "black player".  Show me that part again?

You are both putting in words and making it mean something entirely different.

The "Very fine people" one is just him being dumb, it really is blown out of proportion.

Why am I defending Trump right now?  Because I disagree with the context in which the opposing argument is being used.

no one said that he said "black player"....no one.  But the dude was black....and he called him a son of a bitch.

I don’t know if “son of a bitch” is reserved for black people?

tempo_n_groove

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/22/donald-trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests

But he did say it....

jeffbr said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/22/donald-trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests

But he did say it....

Exactly.  ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now. Out! He’s fired. He’s fired!’ when talking about a black man protesting racial injustice. When talking about white men protesting racial injustice in Charlotte "very fine people". Again, that's the pattern I'm talking about. In isolation, most examples may not be particularly convincing to people. But taken together, a pattern emerges.

I missed that part where he calls the player a "black player".  Show me that part again?

You are both putting in words and making it mean something entirely different.

The "Very fine people" one is just him being dumb, it really is blown out of proportion.

Why am I defending Trump right now?  Because I disagree with the context in which the opposing argument is being used.

no one said that he said "black player"....no one.  But the dude was black....and he called him a son of a bitch.

Actually Jeff did.  Just scroll up.  

That is my argument.  It was players protesting, his statement made it racial.

That is what I am bothered with and why I highlighted it in the first place.

jeffbr

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/22/donald-trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests

But he did say it....

jeffbr said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/22/donald-trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests

But he did say it....

Exactly.  ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now. Out! He’s fired. He’s fired!’ when talking about a black man protesting racial injustice. When talking about white men protesting racial injustice in Charlotte "very fine people". Again, that's the pattern I'm talking about. In isolation, most examples may not be particularly convincing to people. But taken together, a pattern emerges.

I missed that part where he calls the player a "black player".  Show me that part again?

You are both putting in words and making it mean something entirely different.

The "Very fine people" one is just him being dumb, it really is blown out of proportion.

Why am I defending Trump right now?  Because I disagree with the context in which the opposing argument is being used.

no one said that he said "black player"....no one.  But the dude was black....and he called him a son of a bitch.

Actually Jeff did.  Just scroll up.  

That is my argument.  It was players protesting, his statement made it racial.

That is what I am bothered with and why I highlighted it in the first place.

But that is exactly who he was talking about. At the time it started with Kaepernick. Michael Bennett joined in solidarity. Then a number of other black players. Remember, they were protesting police injustice against African Americans. Trump had some sort of apoplexy about this, and started tweet storming. As a reaction we started seeing white players join in solidarity. But this was initially a black protest against police brutality toward African Americans.  So yes, I did say "black players", because that is who Trump was referring to.

Gern Blansten

Trump is a fucking racist....you tRumpsters are just going to have to accept that

tempo_n_groove

jeffbr said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/22/donald-trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests

But he did say it....

jeffbr said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/22/donald-trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests

But he did say it....

Exactly.  ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now. Out! He’s fired. He’s fired!’ when talking about a black man protesting racial injustice. When talking about white men protesting racial injustice in Charlotte "very fine people". Again, that's the pattern I'm talking about. In isolation, most examples may not be particularly convincing to people. But taken together, a pattern emerges.

I missed that part where he calls the player a "black player".  Show me that part again?

You are both putting in words and making it mean something entirely different.

The "Very fine people" one is just him being dumb, it really is blown out of proportion.

Why am I defending Trump right now?  Because I disagree with the context in which the opposing argument is being used.

no one said that he said "black player"....no one.  But the dude was black....and he called him a son of a bitch.

Actually Jeff did.  Just scroll up.  

That is my argument.  It was players protesting, his statement made it racial.

That is what I am bothered with and why I highlighted it in the first place.

But that is exactly who he was talking about. At the time it started with Kaepernick. Michael Bennett joined in solidarity. Then a number of other black players. Remember, they were protesting police injustice against African Americans. Trump had some sort of apoplexy about this, and started tweet storming. As a reaction we started seeing white players join in solidarity. But this was initially a black protest against police brutality toward African Americans.  So yes, I did say "black players", because that is who Trump was referring to.

I read "fire the sons of bitches" and thought of the players as people, not color.  Never thought of it as a racist statement at all.

I did feel however when it was said that some players would take it a step further and think Trump was talking about their Mom's and that actually happened too.

tempo_n_groove

Gern Blansten said:

Trump is a fucking racist....you tRumpsters are just going to have to accept that

I'm not a Trumpster, a trumpet a P-tape enthusiast or a flutist. 

I just disagree.