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  • Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez full interview | Pod Save America


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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,225
    I've been tough on AOC, but this quote is great.  I can appreciate a nice verbal takedown. 

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/463747-ocasio-cortez-blasts-mccarthy-as-a-bumbling-sloppy-dishonest-mess-over-trump
  • SmellymanSmellyman AsiaPosts: 4,232
    Kevin McCarthy - Trump is on Putin's payroll

    Kevin McCarthy - Benghazi was a political tool to hurt HRC's presidential election.

    Kevin McCarthy - You added another word.

    AOC is light years better than McCarthy in every way
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 10,462
    mrussel1 said:
    I've been tough on AOC, but this quote is great.  I can appreciate a nice verbal takedown. 

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/463747-ocasio-cortez-blasts-mccarthy-as-a-bumbling-sloppy-dishonest-mess-over-trump
    my favorite McCarthy quote in that article is the one about 'Pelosi can't change the laws of this Congress'.  Uhh dude the laws in the constitution give the right for impeachment proceedings. there is nothing the Dems aren't doing that isn't following the rules.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon I'm from Winnipeg, you idiot! (Chris Jericho)Posts: 22,090
    mrussel1 said:
    I've been tough on AOC, but this quote is great.  I can appreciate a nice verbal takedown. 

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/463747-ocasio-cortez-blasts-mccarthy-as-a-bumbling-sloppy-dishonest-mess-over-trump
    wow. talk about unprepared. 
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  • mrussel1 said:
    I've been tough on AOC, but this quote is great.  I can appreciate a nice verbal takedown. 

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/463747-ocasio-cortez-blasts-mccarthy-as-a-bumbling-sloppy-dishonest-mess-over-trump
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  • Guess that opposition to Amazon really hurt her?

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,225
    Guess that opposition to Amazon really hurt her?

    https://apple.news/APl2wtA-tRwa8R9swcxhdQA
    It hurts thre citizens of NYC. That's always been the argument.  It's not all about her. 

    I will say she's been quiet lately,  hopefully working hard to effectuate change outside of the Twitterverse. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    Guess that opposition to Amazon really hurt her?

    https://apple.news/APl2wtA-tRwa8R9swcxhdQA
    It hurts thre citizens of NYC. That's always been the argument.  It's not all about her. 

    I will say she's been quiet lately,  hopefully working hard to effectuate change outside of the Twitterverse. 
    Which citizens of NYC? The Bloombergs, Trumps and Giulianis or the first generation bodega owners just getting by with their rented space?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,225
    mrussel1 said:
    Guess that opposition to Amazon really hurt her?

    https://apple.news/APl2wtA-tRwa8R9swcxhdQA
    It hurts thre citizens of NYC. That's always been the argument.  It's not all about her. 

    I will say she's been quiet lately,  hopefully working hard to effectuate change outside of the Twitterverse. 
    Which citizens of NYC? The Bloombergs, Trumps and Giulianis or the first generation bodega owners just getting by with their rented space?
    How about all of the 50 to 100k dollar jobs that Amazon will create along with all the small businesses in the area?  You need solid jobs available to pull people out of generational poverty.  Welfare isn't the long term answer. 
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,331
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Guess that opposition to Amazon really hurt her?

    https://apple.news/APl2wtA-tRwa8R9swcxhdQA
    It hurts thre citizens of NYC. That's always been the argument.  It's not all about her. 

    I will say she's been quiet lately,  hopefully working hard to effectuate change outside of the Twitterverse. 
    Which citizens of NYC? The Bloombergs, Trumps and Giulianis or the first generation bodega owners just getting by with their rented space?
    How about all of the 50 to 100k dollar jobs that Amazon will create along with all the small businesses in the area?  You need solid jobs available to pull people out of generational poverty.  Welfare isn't the long term answer. 
    No kidding. She won by losing jobs. Good work. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 31,926
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
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  • SmellymanSmellyman AsiaPosts: 4,232
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.

    They just get priced out.

    But progress!  corporate welfare to the billionaires!
  • Smellyman said:
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.

    They just get priced out.

    But progress!  corporate welfare to the billionaires!
    “Let them eat crumbs.”
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,225
    Smellyman said:
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.

    They just get priced out.

    But progress!  corporate welfare to the billionaires!
    “Let them eat crumbs.”
    Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years,  is that correct? 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,225
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    I don't know that Bezos primary objective is to kill small business. However I will agree that certainly some businesses are negatively affected by thre growth OG Amazon.  However,  this push by AOC and NYC did not impede the progress of Amazon.  The HQ wasn't going to disproportionately affect NYC small business because of the HQ presence.  Conversely stopping the HQ from relocating is directly affecting the jobs there. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.

    They just get priced out.

    But progress!  corporate welfare to the billionaires!
    “Let them eat crumbs.”
    Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years,  is that correct? 
    Are you drunk?
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 8,232
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    I don't know that Bezos primary objective is to kill small business. However I will agree that certainly some businesses are negatively affected by thre growth OG Amazon.  However,  this push by AOC and NYC did not impede the progress of Amazon.  The HQ wasn't going to disproportionately affect NYC small business because of the HQ presence.  Conversely stopping the HQ from relocating is directly affecting the jobs there. 
    As someone in a small-ish retail business, I really don't think the criticism of Amazon is wholly valid.

    Amazon has done so much correctly which translates to increased customer service. They've waived returns to shareholders to instead improve their infrastructure, which then adds advantage for any business who chooses to use Marketplace services for fulfillment. Even after fees, the value Amazon can offer to small-medium sized businesses is immense - expanded reach, hands-off fulfillment services, preferable shipping rates from the immense volume Amazon handles, pulling from another client's pool of inventory if ours expires and assuring re-ordering such that no one is negatively affected, a constantly-refined eCommerce experience for clients, access to sell-through analytics, etc. 

    Some people like to complain about the natural course of events. If people hold issue with the taxes Amazon does or doesn't pay - they should be looking to politicians, not corporations. If they hold issue with a company deciding to get better at their craft and invest in their infrastructure and efficiencies and offer those benefits to clients for a fee, I think their issue is totally unwarranted. If they hold issue with the way they treat their employees - don't buy from Amazon. Amazon will listen to that message.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon I'm from Winnipeg, you idiot! (Chris Jericho)Posts: 22,090
    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    I don't know that Bezos primary objective is to kill small business. However I will agree that certainly some businesses are negatively affected by thre growth OG Amazon.  However,  this push by AOC and NYC did not impede the progress of Amazon.  The HQ wasn't going to disproportionately affect NYC small business because of the HQ presence.  Conversely stopping the HQ from relocating is directly affecting the jobs there. 
    As someone in a small-ish retail business, I really don't think the criticism of Amazon is wholly valid.

    Amazon has done so much correctly which translates to increased customer service. They've waived returns to shareholders to instead improve their infrastructure, which then adds advantage for any business who chooses to use Marketplace services for fulfillment. Even after fees, the value Amazon can offer to small-medium sized businesses is immense - expanded reach, hands-off fulfillment services, preferable shipping rates from the immense volume Amazon handles, pulling from another client's pool of inventory if ours expires and assuring re-ordering such that no one is negatively affected, a constantly-refined eCommerce experience for clients, access to sell-through analytics, etc. 

    Some people like to complain about the natural course of events. If people hold issue with the taxes Amazon does or doesn't pay - they should be looking to politicians, not corporations. If they hold issue with a company deciding to get better at their craft and invest in their infrastructure and efficiencies and offer those benefits to clients for a fee, I think their issue is totally unwarranted. If they hold issue with the way they treat their employees - don't buy from Amazon. Amazon will listen to that message.
    the problem is, Ben, is that the bigger any given corporation gets, the less choice people have where to shop from. it becomes increasingly difficult to "send a message" by not shopping there. amazon would only listen to that message if it was a massive mobilization of millions of shoppers, which won't happen until it's too late, if ever. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,225
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.

    They just get priced out.

    But progress!  corporate welfare to the billionaires!
    “Let them eat crumbs.”
    Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years,  is that correct? 
    Are you drunk?
    That's not a valid reply.  Do you think standard of living is better or worse?
  • SmellymanSmellyman AsiaPosts: 4,232
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.

    They just get priced out.

    But progress!  corporate welfare to the billionaires!
    “Let them eat crumbs.”
    Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years,  is that correct? 
    Are you drunk?
    That's not a valid reply.  Do you think standard of living is better or worse?
    Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years,  is that correct?

    That is the one that makes no sense.  Maybe you got the replies mixed up.

    Are you drunk? is valid

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,225
    edited November 2019
    Smellyman said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.

    They just get priced out.

    But progress!  corporate welfare to the billionaires!
    “Let them eat crumbs.”
    Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years,  is that correct? 
    Are you drunk?
    That's not a valid reply.  Do you think standard of living is better or worse?
    Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years,  is that correct?

    That is the one that makes no sense.  Maybe you got the replies mixed up.

    Are you drunk? is valid

    I apologize that you can't follow the natural progression of your own arguments.  The math behind the value of tax credits is unassailable.  10% of something is better than 20% of nothing,  in case you didn't know. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.

    They just get priced out.

    But progress!  corporate welfare to the billionaires!
    “Let them eat crumbs.”
    Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years,  is that correct? 
    Are you drunk?
    That's not a valid reply.  Do you think standard of living is better or worse?
    Depends on your zip code.
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  • mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.

    They just get priced out.

    But progress!  corporate welfare to the billionaires!
    “Let them eat crumbs.”
    Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years,  is that correct? 
    Are you drunk?
    That's not a valid reply.  Do you think standard of living is better or worse?
    Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years,  is that correct?

    That is the one that makes no sense.  Maybe you got the replies mixed up.

    Are you drunk? is valid

    I apologize that you can't follow the natural progression of your own arguments.  The math behind the value of tax credits is unassailable.  10% of something is better than 20% of nothing,  in case you didn't know. 
    Depends on who gets the “something” and who gets the “nothing.” Jeff fucking Bezos don’t need “something” from the “nothings.” In case you didn’t know.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,225
    edited November 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.

    They just get priced out.

    But progress!  corporate welfare to the billionaires!
    “Let them eat crumbs.”
    Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years,  is that correct? 
    Are you drunk?
    That's not a valid reply.  Do you think standard of living is better or worse?
    Depends on your zip code.
    That's empirically wrong.  The underclass today is better than 150 years ago.  And there's fewer of them. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,225
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.

    They just get priced out.

    But progress!  corporate welfare to the billionaires!
    “Let them eat crumbs.”
    Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years,  is that correct? 
    Are you drunk?
    That's not a valid reply.  Do you think standard of living is better or worse?
    Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years,  is that correct?

    That is the one that makes no sense.  Maybe you got the replies mixed up.

    Are you drunk? is valid

    I apologize that you can't follow the natural progression of your own arguments.  The math behind the value of tax credits is unassailable.  10% of something is better than 20% of nothing,  in case you didn't know. 
    Depends on who gets the “something” and who gets the “nothing.” Jeff fucking Bezos don’t need “something” from the “nothings.” In case you didn’t know.
    Makes no sense as an argument.  You think Jeff loses because the HQ doesn't go to NY?  Hardly.  It's the middle and lower class that lose.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,225
    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    I don't know that Bezos primary objective is to kill small business. However I will agree that certainly some businesses are negatively affected by thre growth OG Amazon.  However,  this push by AOC and NYC did not impede the progress of Amazon.  The HQ wasn't going to disproportionately affect NYC small business because of the HQ presence.  Conversely stopping the HQ from relocating is directly affecting the jobs there. 
    As someone in a small-ish retail business, I really don't think the criticism of Amazon is wholly valid.

    Amazon has done so much correctly which translates to increased customer service. They've waived returns to shareholders to instead improve their infrastructure, which then adds advantage for any business who chooses to use Marketplace services for fulfillment. Even after fees, the value Amazon can offer to small-medium sized businesses is immense - expanded reach, hands-off fulfillment services, preferable shipping rates from the immense volume Amazon handles, pulling from another client's pool of inventory if ours expires and assuring re-ordering such that no one is negatively affected, a constantly-refined eCommerce experience for clients, access to sell-through analytics, etc. 

    Some people like to complain about the natural course of events. If people hold issue with the taxes Amazon does or doesn't pay - they should be looking to politicians, not corporations. If they hold issue with a company deciding to get better at their craft and invest in their infrastructure and efficiencies and offer those benefits to clients for a fee, I think their issue is totally unwarranted. If they hold issue with the way they treat their employees - don't buy from Amazon. Amazon will listen to that message.
    the problem is, Ben, is that the bigger any given corporation gets, the less choice people have where to shop from. it becomes increasingly difficult to "send a message" by not shopping there. amazon would only listen to that message if it was a massive mobilization of millions of shoppers, which won't happen until it's too late, if ever. 
    So you think you have fewer choices today to online shop than 10 years ago? Amazon has driven down prices and forced other companies to become more efficient.  There's an argument that Amazon has been bad for other retailers, but zero evidence that it's bad for consumers.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon I'm from Winnipeg, you idiot! (Chris Jericho)Posts: 22,090
    mrussel1 said:
    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    I don't know that Bezos primary objective is to kill small business. However I will agree that certainly some businesses are negatively affected by thre growth OG Amazon.  However,  this push by AOC and NYC did not impede the progress of Amazon.  The HQ wasn't going to disproportionately affect NYC small business because of the HQ presence.  Conversely stopping the HQ from relocating is directly affecting the jobs there. 
    As someone in a small-ish retail business, I really don't think the criticism of Amazon is wholly valid.

    Amazon has done so much correctly which translates to increased customer service. They've waived returns to shareholders to instead improve their infrastructure, which then adds advantage for any business who chooses to use Marketplace services for fulfillment. Even after fees, the value Amazon can offer to small-medium sized businesses is immense - expanded reach, hands-off fulfillment services, preferable shipping rates from the immense volume Amazon handles, pulling from another client's pool of inventory if ours expires and assuring re-ordering such that no one is negatively affected, a constantly-refined eCommerce experience for clients, access to sell-through analytics, etc. 

    Some people like to complain about the natural course of events. If people hold issue with the taxes Amazon does or doesn't pay - they should be looking to politicians, not corporations. If they hold issue with a company deciding to get better at their craft and invest in their infrastructure and efficiencies and offer those benefits to clients for a fee, I think their issue is totally unwarranted. If they hold issue with the way they treat their employees - don't buy from Amazon. Amazon will listen to that message.
    the problem is, Ben, is that the bigger any given corporation gets, the less choice people have where to shop from. it becomes increasingly difficult to "send a message" by not shopping there. amazon would only listen to that message if it was a massive mobilization of millions of shoppers, which won't happen until it's too late, if ever. 
    So you think you have fewer choices today to online shop than 10 years ago? Amazon has driven down prices and forced other companies to become more efficient.  There's an argument that Amazon has been bad for other retailers, but zero evidence that it's bad for consumers.  
    not yet. but if people don't want to shop amazon, soon they won't have a choice. amazon simply won't stock "everything", so when they put everyone else out of business, if there's a product they don't carry, you're SOL. 

    I personally love amazon. great prices, ridiculously fast and cheap shipping, etc. But I don't necessarily think that in the long run it will be a good thing. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,225
    mrussel1 said:
    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    I don't know that Bezos primary objective is to kill small business. However I will agree that certainly some businesses are negatively affected by thre growth OG Amazon.  However,  this push by AOC and NYC did not impede the progress of Amazon.  The HQ wasn't going to disproportionately affect NYC small business because of the HQ presence.  Conversely stopping the HQ from relocating is directly affecting the jobs there. 
    As someone in a small-ish retail business, I really don't think the criticism of Amazon is wholly valid.

    Amazon has done so much correctly which translates to increased customer service. They've waived returns to shareholders to instead improve their infrastructure, which then adds advantage for any business who chooses to use Marketplace services for fulfillment. Even after fees, the value Amazon can offer to small-medium sized businesses is immense - expanded reach, hands-off fulfillment services, preferable shipping rates from the immense volume Amazon handles, pulling from another client's pool of inventory if ours expires and assuring re-ordering such that no one is negatively affected, a constantly-refined eCommerce experience for clients, access to sell-through analytics, etc. 

    Some people like to complain about the natural course of events. If people hold issue with the taxes Amazon does or doesn't pay - they should be looking to politicians, not corporations. If they hold issue with a company deciding to get better at their craft and invest in their infrastructure and efficiencies and offer those benefits to clients for a fee, I think their issue is totally unwarranted. If they hold issue with the way they treat their employees - don't buy from Amazon. Amazon will listen to that message.
    the problem is, Ben, is that the bigger any given corporation gets, the less choice people have where to shop from. it becomes increasingly difficult to "send a message" by not shopping there. amazon would only listen to that message if it was a massive mobilization of millions of shoppers, which won't happen until it's too late, if ever. 
    So you think you have fewer choices today to online shop than 10 years ago? Amazon has driven down prices and forced other companies to become more efficient.  There's an argument that Amazon has been bad for other retailers, but zero evidence that it's bad for consumers.  
    not yet. but if people don't want to shop amazon, soon they won't have a choice. amazon simply won't stock "everything", so when they put everyone else out of business, if there's a product they don't carry, you're SOL. 

    I personally love amazon. great prices, ridiculously fast and cheap shipping, etc. But I don't necessarily think that in the long run it will be a good thing. 
    We have anti trust laws to deal with that here.  But imo, we're nowhere near that area yet. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    brianlux said:
    I hope you all remember that Amazon kills jobs as well.   I know several people who used to work in small businesses but lost their jobs due to small businesses being squeezed out by Bezo's outright desire to kill those businesses. 
    and how many of those 50k-100k jobs are going to those that actually live there.

    They just get priced out.

    But progress!  corporate welfare to the billionaires!
    “Let them eat crumbs.”
    Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years,  is that correct? 
    Are you drunk?
    That's not a valid reply.  Do you think standard of living is better or worse?
    Ok so you're arguing the standard of living has been reduced overall in the past 150 years,  is that correct?

    That is the one that makes no sense.  Maybe you got the replies mixed up.

    Are you drunk? is valid

    I apologize that you can't follow the natural progression of your own arguments.  The math behind the value of tax credits is unassailable.  10% of something is better than 20% of nothing,  in case you didn't know. 
    Depends on who gets the “something” and who gets the “nothing.” Jeff fucking Bezos don’t need “something” from the “nothings.” In case you didn’t know.
    Makes no sense as an argument.  You think Jeff loses because the HQ doesn't go to NY?  Hardly.  It's the middle and lower class that lose.
    You think AOC’s constituents “win” in an Amazon deal? Hardly. They lose the most.
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