Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

PJ_Soul

Kat said:

Conservative Men Are Obsessed With Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Science Tells Us Why.

Conservatives respond to fear more strongly than liberals do, says one neuroscientist who studies political anxiety.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/conservatives-afraid-alexandria-ocasio-cortez_us_5c38cb74e4b05cb31c421cc3

That's an excellent article, thank you.

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

Kat said:

Conservative Men Are Obsessed With Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Science Tells Us Why.

Conservatives respond to fear more strongly than liberals do, says one neuroscientist who studies political anxiety.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/conservatives-afraid-alexandria-ocasio-cortez_us_5c38cb74e4b05cb31c421cc3

what a bunch of junk....I like that this neuroscientist states "I think"...clearly just an idiot with an agenda again,

I don;t fear her...I fear some of her ideas, especially her ideas of data and fact from time to time.  But I'm interested to see how she does and how she grows.  But not someone I'm aligned with politically very much at all.

agreed with the  highlighted portion. 

PJ_Soul

I don't think it's just at all. Though I don't know why Cincy took it as being about him. The article doesn't mean to say that every single Republican-voting white male in the country is having that reaction.

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think it's just at all. Though I don't know why Cincy took it as being about him. The article doesn't mean to say that every single Republican-voting white male in the country is having that reaction.

I didn't.  I read it thought it was junk and then gave my perspective/opinion.  You want me to try and give everyone's opinion like the idiot in the article?

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think it's just at all. Though I don't know why Cincy took it as being about him. The article doesn't mean to say that every single Republican-voting white male in the country is having that reaction.

I didn't.  I read it thought it was junk and then gave my perspective/opinion.  You want me to try and give everyone's opinion like the idiot in the article?

I think you're grossly undervaluing the opinion from the article and the points it brings up, and I'm really not sure why.

I thought you took it as being about you because you started talking about how YOU don't fear her.

mace1229

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

And I doubt a new congressman would be called "little boy." But there would be equally derogorative terms (actually, far worse I imagine) used if anyone as far right as she is left joined. She has been farther left than many and most before her. Imagine if some 28 year old male was equally right, and openly campaigned heavily for outlawing abortions and so on. There wouldn't be name calling on him?
If she was just a middle of the road democrat there wouldn't be this thread.

Dude - your whiteness is showing 

Care to explain? What did I say that was not true? She wasn't popular? She didn't campaign on farther left views? And what about what she did makes me white?

I really thought it was obvious this time....sorry, I was kidding based on the remark to you from someone else and you questioning what "white" had to do with anything.

sorry I misread that then!

pjhawks

cincybearcat said:

Kat said:

Conservative Men Are Obsessed With Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Science Tells Us Why.

Conservatives respond to fear more strongly than liberals do, says one neuroscientist who studies political anxiety.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/conservatives-afraid-alexandria-ocasio-cortez_us_5c38cb74e4b05cb31c421cc3

what a bunch of junk....I like that this neuroscientist states "I think"...clearly just an idiot with an agenda again,

I don;t fear her...I fear some of her ideas, especially her ideas of data and fact from time to time.  But I'm interested to see how she does and how she grows.  But not someone I'm aligned with politically very much at all.

I don't think conservatives fear her. I think they resent that a 29 year old attractive women, not on their side, has an opinion and a platform.  

cincybearcat

pjhawks said:

cincybearcat said:

Kat said:

Conservative Men Are Obsessed With Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Science Tells Us Why.

Conservatives respond to fear more strongly than liberals do, says one neuroscientist who studies political anxiety.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/conservatives-afraid-alexandria-ocasio-cortez_us_5c38cb74e4b05cb31c421cc3

what a bunch of junk....I like that this neuroscientist states "I think"...clearly just an idiot with an agenda again,

I don;t fear her...I fear some of her ideas, especially her ideas of data and fact from time to time.  But I'm interested to see how she does and how she grows.  But not someone I'm aligned with politically very much at all.

I don't think conservatives fear her. I think they resent that a 29 year old attractive women, not on their side, has an opinion and a platform.  

I think it's just the squeaky wheel gets the grease....she is new and outspoken.  And she is politically opposite on everything.  

I also don't think as many people are attacking her through stupid pictures, videos, etc as some are making it out to be.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think it's just at all. Though I don't know why Cincy took it as being about him. The article doesn't mean to say that every single Republican-voting white male in the country is having that reaction.

I didn't.  I read it thought it was junk and then gave my perspective/opinion.  You want me to try and give everyone's opinion like the idiot in the article?

I think you're grossly undervaluing the opinion from the article and the points it brings up, and I'm really not sure why.

I thought you took it as being about you because you started talking about how YOU don't fear her.

because it's presented with such an obvious bias. 

mace1229

Kat said:

Conservative Men Are Obsessed With Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Science Tells Us Why.

Conservatives respond to fear more strongly than liberals do, says one neuroscientist who studies political anxiety.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/conservatives-afraid-alexandria-ocasio-cortez_us_5c38cb74e4b05cb31c421cc3

I don't think it's junk that they are frightened by her. I don't agree with the reasons though.
Republicans were frightened that Bernie Sanders got as close to president as he did. He would frighten them just as much as Alexandria does. And he's about as opposite to young attractive female as you can possibly get.
They, myself included, are frightened what a socialist agenda can do to this country. I am scared of anyone who seriously wants to have free college and runs for office. We can't even fund k-12 properly and get that right, so lets throw in an expensive 4 year college for free on top of that? Schools are underfunded, just my state alone is behind billions of dollars just to update facilities. Many schools in my city don't have air conditioning and students have to test in 90 degree rooms without air. I got a $400 raise as a teacher last year, then days later they announce cost of health insurance is going up $50 a month and they will be taking an extra 1% out for our pension. Our salaries are actually going down, not up.  Many teachers are literally paid at below poverty level and have to work second jobs because of that. We don't even fund the education we already have, why expand it until we figure that out? So yes, I am frightened by people who don't understand those issues and want to expand the problem. I also have serious questions how they would accomplish this. Education is already underfunded, by a lot, college is far more expensive to run that a high school. You cant "just pay for it." I don't care what they look like or what sex they are.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think it's just at all. Though I don't know why Cincy took it as being about him. The article doesn't mean to say that every single Republican-voting white male in the country is having that reaction.

I didn't.  I read it thought it was junk and then gave my perspective/opinion.  You want me to try and give everyone's opinion like the idiot in the article?

I think you're grossly undervaluing the opinion from the article and the points it brings up, and I'm really not sure why.

I thought you took it as being about you because you started talking about how YOU don't fear her.

because it's presented with such an obvious bias. 

Well that's why it's an opinion piece. But much of it points out some real hard truths as well, so I think calling it junk really dismisses some important points that it makes.

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think it's just at all. Though I don't know why Cincy took it as being about him. The article doesn't mean to say that every single Republican-voting white male in the country is having that reaction.

I didn't.  I read it thought it was junk and then gave my perspective/opinion.  You want me to try and give everyone's opinion like the idiot in the article?

I think you're grossly undervaluing the opinion from the article and the points it brings up, and I'm really not sure why.

I thought you took it as being about you because you started talking about how YOU don't fear her.

because it's presented with such an obvious bias. 

Yes, this.  

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think it's just at all. Though I don't know why Cincy took it as being about him. The article doesn't mean to say that every single Republican-voting white male in the country is having that reaction.

I didn't.  I read it thought it was junk and then gave my perspective/opinion.  You want me to try and give everyone's opinion like the idiot in the article?

I think you're grossly undervaluing the opinion from the article and the points it brings up, and I'm really not sure why.

I thought you took it as being about you because you started talking about how YOU don't fear her.

because it's presented with such an obvious bias. 

Yes, this.  

A biased person isn't always wrong.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think it's just at all. Though I don't know why Cincy took it as being about him. The article doesn't mean to say that every single Republican-voting white male in the country is having that reaction.

I didn't.  I read it thought it was junk and then gave my perspective/opinion.  You want me to try and give everyone's opinion like the idiot in the article?

I think you're grossly undervaluing the opinion from the article and the points it brings up, and I'm really not sure why.

I thought you took it as being about you because you started talking about how YOU don't fear her.

because it's presented with such an obvious bias. 

Yes, this.  

A biased person isn't always wrong.

I guess it depends how much you want them to be right. 

if the article had shown some research by more than just one person, then that's different. no one in the scientific community gives any credence to anything until it's peer viewed, so yeah, until then.....suspect. 

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think it's just at all. Though I don't know why Cincy took it as being about him. The article doesn't mean to say that every single Republican-voting white male in the country is having that reaction.

I didn't.  I read it thought it was junk and then gave my perspective/opinion.  You want me to try and give everyone's opinion like the idiot in the article?

I think you're grossly undervaluing the opinion from the article and the points it brings up, and I'm really not sure why.

I thought you took it as being about you because you started talking about how YOU don't fear her.

because it's presented with such an obvious bias. 

Well that's why it's an opinion piece. But much of it points out some real hard truths as well, so I think calling it junk really dismisses some important points that it makes.

yes, it points out a lot of the obvious and things we already know alongside this so-called science so as to make the reader believe that everything in the article is to be believed, the scientific findings included. 

OnWis97

The editorial was hit-and-miss.  I like the point that she's almost the 180 to Trump...anti-establishment, breaks rules, appeals to emotions.  The idea that conservatives respond to fear more than others was kinda silly.  In any case, it was interesting but didn't' really prove much of anything.

This stuff is very nuanced and we seem to be arguing "everyone that hates her is a bigot" vs. "It's all about policy and she'd be treated the same way if she were a 50-year-old white male."  Neither of those black/white stances are true.  Part of the truth is that most Americans hate liberals and she's the most liberal (or at least the most famously liberal) representative in the House.  I have some conservative (Trump-hating) friends that probably don't like her because her fiscal ideas don't feel sustainable.  Hell, I am not sold on her myself for that reason.

But if you really don't think that ethnicity, age, sex (and the future those things points to) is part of this, I don't know what to tell you.  There's plenty that points to fear, not specifically of her, but of what she represents for the future.  Yes, liberal and unapologetic.  But also all these things we pretend not to care about are a part of the mix.  And we've been given plenty of reason to believe this.

Fear of losing the White, Christian, male power structure.

You will not replace us.

If you don't think some of today's populist movement is driven by white nationalism and fear that different types of people will be a) in power and b) the majority of our population, I don't know what to tell you.  Does that mean everyone who's not a fan of this one legislator is a racist?  No.  But I do believe she represents a future that many people fear.  

Black --- Gray Area --- White.
The internet only really talks with two of these in mind.

HughFreakingDillon

OnWis97 said:

The editorial was hit-and-miss.  I like the point that she's almost the 180 to Trump...anti-establishment, breaks rules, appeals to emotions.  The idea that conservatives respond to fear more than others was kinda silly.  In any case, it was interesting but didn't' really prove much of anything.

This stuff is very nuanced and we seem to be arguing "everyone that hates her is a bigot" vs. "It's all about policy and she'd be treated the same way if she were a 50-year-old white male."  Neither of those black/white stances are true.  Part of the truth is that most Americans hate liberals and she's the most liberal (or at least the most famously liberal) representative in the House.  I have some conservative (Trump-hating) friends that probably don't like her because her fiscal ideas don't feel sustainable.  Hell, I am not sold on her myself for that reason.

But if you really don't think that ethnicity, age, sex (and the future those things points to) is part of this, I don't know what to tell you.  There's plenty that points to fear, not specifically of her, but of what she represents for the future.  Yes, liberal and unapologetic.  But also all these things we pretend not to care about are a part of the mix.  And we've been given plenty of reason to believe this.

Fear of losing the White, Christian, male power structure.

You will not replace us.

If you don't think some of today's populist movement is driven by white nationalism and fear that different types of people will be a) in power and b) the majority of our population, I don't know what to tell you.  Does that mean everyone who's not a fan of this one legislator is a racist?  No.  But I do believe she represents a future that many people fear.  

Black --- Gray Area --- White.
The internet only really talks with two of these in mind.

no one is disputing that those sentiments exist: we all know they do. we are just disputing that every single criticism of female POC is based on that. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

The editorial was hit-and-miss.  I like the point that she's almost the 180 to Trump...anti-establishment, breaks rules, appeals to emotions.  The idea that conservatives respond to fear more than others was kinda silly.  In any case, it was interesting but didn't' really prove much of anything.

This stuff is very nuanced and we seem to be arguing "everyone that hates her is a bigot" vs. "It's all about policy and she'd be treated the same way if she were a 50-year-old white male."  Neither of those black/white stances are true.  Part of the truth is that most Americans hate liberals and she's the most liberal (or at least the most famously liberal) representative in the House.  I have some conservative (Trump-hating) friends that probably don't like her because her fiscal ideas don't feel sustainable.  Hell, I am not sold on her myself for that reason.

But if you really don't think that ethnicity, age, sex (and the future those things points to) is part of this, I don't know what to tell you.  There's plenty that points to fear, not specifically of her, but of what she represents for the future.  Yes, liberal and unapologetic.  But also all these things we pretend not to care about are a part of the mix.  And we've been given plenty of reason to believe this.

Fear of losing the White, Christian, male power structure.

You will not replace us.

If you don't think some of today's populist movement is driven by white nationalism and fear that different types of people will be a) in power and b) the majority of our population, I don't know what to tell you.  Does that mean everyone who's not a fan of this one legislator is a racist?  No.  But I do believe she represents a future that many people fear.  

Black --- Gray Area --- White.
The internet only really talks with two of these in mind.

no one is disputing that those sentiments exist: we all know they do. we are just disputing that every single criticism of female POC is based on that. 

I don't believe that anyone has suggested that.

dignin

Sounds like we have a bunch of neuroscientists posting here.

I guess I should take their expertise in the area of how brains work over a qualified expert. Just cause it doesn't feel right to them. 

HughFreakingDillon

dignin said:

Sounds like we have a bunch of neuroscientists posting here.

I guess I should take their expertise in the area of how brains work over a qualified expert. Just cause it doesn't feel right to them. 

so a neuroscientist can't be biased and come a conclusion he wishes to? like I said, scienctific findings require consensus.