Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

tempo_n_groove

CM189191 said:

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1083579511889973250

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1083759782098583553

this is so great, I hope she can keep this up her entire term

Is she quoting Comic Book writer Alan Moore?

PJ_Soul

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

my2hands said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Republicans are threatened by her. 

I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama. 

I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/11/no-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-fact-is-its-not-because-youre-woman/

I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though. 

Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen. 
 

What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes). 

Yes, I know you said you “feel” that, but based on what? There just isn’t a lot of eveidence that young men are routinely dismissed in the way that young women are, particularly by the GOP. 

Absolutely they aren't, and it always shocks me when anyone pretends that sexism isn't happening within the GOP, or in politics in general. Gimme a fucking break. It OBVIOUSLY is, consistently. Anyone who tries to say it's not is either in total denial, or a sexist themselves.

mace1229

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

And I doubt a new congressman would be called "little boy." But there would be equally derogorative terms (actually, far worse I imagine) used if anyone as far right as she is left joined. She has been farther left than many and most before her. Imagine if some 28 year old male was equally right, and openly campaigned heavily for outlawing abortions and so on. There wouldn't be name calling on him?
If she was just a middle of the road democrat there wouldn't be this thread.

Dude - your whiteness is showing 

Care to explain? What did I say that was not true? She wasn't popular? She didn't campaign on farther left views? And what about what she did makes me white?

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

There’s a whole bunch of extremely conservative white dudes in the house. They call themselves the freedom caucus. Now show me all the derogatory comments from the left regarding them. With links.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/28/opinion/sunday/mike-pence-holy-terror.html

https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/comment/6885079#Comment_6885079
There's a ton to chose from on that second one.

False equivalency. Mike Pence is not in the house and the NYT opinion piece probably didn’t call him “little boy” or another derogatory term unless you consider being called out for your racist and homophobic beliefs derogatory.

Since when has a thread in a Pearl Jam forum been considered representative of the liberal media? Move the goal posts much?

Ledbetterman10

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

my2hands said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Republicans are threatened by her. 

I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama. 

I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/11/no-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-fact-is-its-not-because-youre-woman/

I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though. 

Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen. 
 

What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes). 

Yes, I know you said you “feel” that, but based on what? There just isn’t a lot of eveidence that young men are routinely dismissed in the way that young women are, particularly by the GOP. 

Absolutely they aren't, and it always shocks me when anyone pretends that sexism isn't happening within the GOP, or in politics in general. Gimme a fucking break. It OBVIOUSLY is, consistently. Anyone who tries to say it's not is either in total denial, or a sexist themselves.

Or indifferent. Can we be indifferent? Or are our only choices "in total denial" and "sexist ourselves"?

PJ_Soul

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

my2hands said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Republicans are threatened by her. 

I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama. 

I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/11/no-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-fact-is-its-not-because-youre-woman/

I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though. 

Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen. 
 

What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes). 

Yes, I know you said you “feel” that, but based on what? There just isn’t a lot of eveidence that young men are routinely dismissed in the way that young women are, particularly by the GOP. 

Absolutely they aren't, and it always shocks me when anyone pretends that sexism isn't happening within the GOP, or in politics in general. Gimme a fucking break. It OBVIOUSLY is, consistently. Anyone who tries to say it's not is either in total denial, or a sexist themselves.

Or indifferent. Can we be indifferent? Or are our only choices "in total denial" and "sexist ourselves"?

No, if you're not talking about it at all you're indifferent. Someone denying it can't be indifferent.

Ledbetterman10

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

my2hands said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Republicans are threatened by her. 

I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama. 

I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/11/no-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-fact-is-its-not-because-youre-woman/

I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though. 

Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen. 
 

What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes). 

Yes, I know you said you “feel” that, but based on what? There just isn’t a lot of eveidence that young men are routinely dismissed in the way that young women are, particularly by the GOP. 

Absolutely they aren't, and it always shocks me when anyone pretends that sexism isn't happening within the GOP, or in politics in general. Gimme a fucking break. It OBVIOUSLY is, consistently. Anyone who tries to say it's not is either in total denial, or a sexist themselves.

Or indifferent. Can we be indifferent? Or are our only choices "in total denial" and "sexist ourselves"?

No, if you're not talking about it at all you're indifferent. Someone denying it can't be indifferent.

I just don't think this "They're scared of her because she's a strong woman!" rhetoric is accurate. I think it's what the Dems want to believe ("we've got them scared now!") because they're desperate to score some sort of coup over the GOP

PJ_Soul

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

my2hands said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Republicans are threatened by her. 

I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama. 

I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/11/no-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-fact-is-its-not-because-youre-woman/

I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though. 

Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen. 
 

What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes). 

Yes, I know you said you “feel” that, but based on what? There just isn’t a lot of eveidence that young men are routinely dismissed in the way that young women are, particularly by the GOP. 

Absolutely they aren't, and it always shocks me when anyone pretends that sexism isn't happening within the GOP, or in politics in general. Gimme a fucking break. It OBVIOUSLY is, consistently. Anyone who tries to say it's not is either in total denial, or a sexist themselves.

Or indifferent. Can we be indifferent? Or are our only choices "in total denial" and "sexist ourselves"?

No, if you're not talking about it at all you're indifferent. Someone denying it can't be indifferent.

I just don't think this "They're scared of her because she's a strong woman!" rhetoric is accurate. I think it's what the Dems want to believe ("we've got them scared now!") because they've been being out-politicked by the GOP over the past year or two. 

They feel threatened by her for several reasons, so no, saying that they are threatened by her just because she's a strong woman, that's obviously not the case. They are threatened by the whole package. And I think that is what Dems believe. There is absolutely sexism being directed at her from the GOP though.

tempo_n_groove

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

my2hands said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Republicans are threatened by her. 

I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama. 

I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/11/no-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-fact-is-its-not-because-youre-woman/

I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though. 

Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen. 
 

What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes). 

Yes, I know you said you “feel” that, but based on what? There just isn’t a lot of eveidence that young men are routinely dismissed in the way that young women are, particularly by the GOP. 

Absolutely they aren't, and it always shocks me when anyone pretends that sexism isn't happening within the GOP, or in politics in general. Gimme a fucking break. It OBVIOUSLY is, consistently. Anyone who tries to say it's not is either in total denial, or a sexist themselves.

Or indifferent. Can we be indifferent? Or are our only choices "in total denial" and "sexist ourselves"?

No, if you're not talking about it at all you're indifferent. Someone denying it can't be indifferent.

I just don't think this "They're scared of her because she's a strong woman!" rhetoric is accurate. I think it's what the Dems want to believe ("we've got them scared now!") because they're desperate to score some sort of coup over the GOP

You can always play the sexism card and the race card until the day you die because there is always going to be someone either doing it or someone who makes comparisons to it.

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

There’s a whole bunch of extremely conservative white dudes in the house. They call themselves the freedom caucus. Now show me all the derogatory comments from the left regarding them. With links.

You missed one of my points. Alexandria puts herself out there a lot. She's done a lot of interviews and is in the public eye more than most who just took office. Actually, I can't name a single other person outside of my state who took office. She's gotten a lot of good publicity. Anyone who does that will also receive bad publicity.
I'm sure there's a lot of things said about the freedom caucus, but no not as much.  but that wasn't my point. They don;t put themselves out there, they aren't on 60 minutes, they aren't in the public as much as she has.
I do think sexism exists in government, I would imagine it is probably a lot harder for a woman to get started than a man. I never said otherwise. 
What I did say is I don't think the comments we see towards Alexandria right now are mostly sexist based. Anyone in the spotlight that much will have negative things said about them. You couldn't be critical of Obama without being called racist. You couldn't dislike Hilary without being called sexist. When the fake nudes surfaced that was said to be an attack by the republicans, when nearly every famous woman under 40 has that. I just think political views play a bigger role than those things. Its not always racism and sexism. She is outspoken and has extreme views. That attracts a lot of attention.

oftenreading

mace1229 said:

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

And I doubt a new congressman would be called "little boy." But there would be equally derogorative terms (actually, far worse I imagine) used if anyone as far right as she is left joined. She has been farther left than many and most before her. Imagine if some 28 year old male was equally right, and openly campaigned heavily for outlawing abortions and so on. There wouldn't be name calling on him?
If she was just a middle of the road democrat there wouldn't be this thread.

Dude - your whiteness is showing 

Care to explain? What did I say that was not true? She wasn't popular? She didn't campaign on farther left views? And what about what she did makes me white?

I’m guessing cincy’s post was just missing the /s. 

oftenreading

mace1229 said:

oftenreading said:

Lol at the idea of white men being sick of hearing about sexism  

When it doesn't apply, why is that funny? And what does white have to do with sexism?
You can honestly say the -ism card isn't overplayed? I'm not saying those things don't exist, but they are definitely overplayed.

Since I’m this context we’re talking about the GOP and their supporters, we are mostly taking about white men. 

oftenreading

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

Lol at the idea of white men being sick of hearing about sexism  

Fixed!!!

Yes, just as true  

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

There’s a whole bunch of extremely conservative white dudes in the house. They call themselves the freedom caucus. Now show me all the derogatory comments from the left regarding them. With links.

You missed one of my points. Alexandria puts herself out there a lot. She's done a lot of interviews and is in the public eye more than most who just took office. Actually, I can't name a single other person outside of my state who took office. She's gotten a lot of good publicity. Anyone who does that will also receive bad publicity.
I'm sure there's a lot of things said about the freedom caucus, but no not as much.  but that wasn't my point. They don;t put themselves out there, they aren't on 60 minutes, they aren't in the public as much as she has.
I do think sexism exists in government, I would imagine it is probably a lot harder for a woman to get started than a man. I never said otherwise. 
What I did say is I don't think the comments we see towards Alexandria right now are mostly sexist based. Anyone in the spotlight that much will have negative things said about them. You couldn't be critical of Obama without being called racist. You couldn't dislike Hilary without being called sexist. When the fake nudes surfaced that was said to be an attack by the republicans, when nearly every famous woman under 40 has that. I just think political views play a bigger role than those things. Its not always racism and sexism. She is outspoken and has extreme views. That attracts a lot of attention.

She’s the youngest woman ever elected to the House of Representatives. What is she supposed to do, hide in the kitchen? She got elected in a mostly minority, medium income, liberal district. Are her ideas radical? To the white establishment, sure. To a diverse, economically challenged, environmentally aware and socially media conscious constituency, probably not. They fear her because she’s going to challenge them forcefully and directly on their policies and they’re going to have to defend their positions, positions that have failed the average voter, don’t align with their values, when explained, and the planet. Millineals have a different set of values, both morally and politically than the old, white, repub party lead by Team Trump Treason.

If you want to “beat” her, beat her on policy debate and not derision and derogatory social media attacks. But I think that’s all the repubs have, as the mid terms illustrated.

cincybearcat

mace1229 said:

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

And I doubt a new congressman would be called "little boy." But there would be equally derogorative terms (actually, far worse I imagine) used if anyone as far right as she is left joined. She has been farther left than many and most before her. Imagine if some 28 year old male was equally right, and openly campaigned heavily for outlawing abortions and so on. There wouldn't be name calling on him?
If she was just a middle of the road democrat there wouldn't be this thread.

Dude - your whiteness is showing 

Care to explain? What did I say that was not true? She wasn't popular? She didn't campaign on farther left views? And what about what she did makes me white?

I really thought it was obvious this time....sorry, I was kidding based on the remark to you from someone else and you questioning what "white" had to do with anything.

HughFreakingDillon

“Well, I think it only has been radicals who have changed this country,” she said. “Abraham Lincoln made the radical decision to sign the Emancipation Proclamation. Franklin Delano Roosevelt made the radical decision to embark on establishing programs like Social Security.”

To that, Cooper asked: “Do you call yourself a radical?”

“Yeah,” she replied. “If that’s what radical means, call me a radical.”

CM189191

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

And I doubt a new congressman would be called "little boy." But there would be equally derogorative terms (actually, far worse I imagine) used if anyone as far right as she is left joined. She has been farther left than many and most before her. Imagine if some 28 year old male was equally right, and openly campaigned heavily for outlawing abortions and so on. There wouldn't be name calling on him?
If she was just a middle of the road democrat there wouldn't be this thread.

Dude - your whiteness is showing 

Care to explain? What did I say that was not true? She wasn't popular? She didn't campaign on farther left views? And what about what she did makes me white?

I really thought it was obvious this time....sorry, I was kidding based on the remark to you from someone else and you questioning what "white" had to do with anything.

hey, does anyone remember this

G.O.P. Rep. Refers to Obama as ‘That Boy’
https://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/14/gop-rep-refers-to-obama-as-that-boy/

...good times...

Kat

Conservative Men Are Obsessed With Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Science Tells Us Why.

Conservatives respond to fear more strongly than liberals do, says one neuroscientist who studies political anxiety.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/conservatives-afraid-alexandria-ocasio-cortez_us_5c38cb74e4b05cb31c421cc3

tempo_n_groove

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

And I doubt a new congressman would be called "little boy." But there would be equally derogorative terms (actually, far worse I imagine) used if anyone as far right as she is left joined. She has been farther left than many and most before her. Imagine if some 28 year old male was equally right, and openly campaigned heavily for outlawing abortions and so on. There wouldn't be name calling on him?
If she was just a middle of the road democrat there wouldn't be this thread.

Dude - your whiteness is showing 

Care to explain? What did I say that was not true? She wasn't popular? She didn't campaign on farther left views? And what about what she did makes me white?

I really thought it was obvious this time....sorry, I was kidding based on the remark to you from someone else and you questioning what "white" had to do with anything.

hey, does anyone remember this

G.O.P. Rep. Refers to Obama as ‘That Boy’
https://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/14/gop-rep-refers-to-obama-as-that-boy/

...good times...

I thought it was dumb that anyone considered him calling Obama "that boy" was anything other than that.

Always quick to play the race card...

cincybearcat

Kat said:

Conservative Men Are Obsessed With Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Science Tells Us Why.

Conservatives respond to fear more strongly than liberals do, says one neuroscientist who studies political anxiety.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/conservatives-afraid-alexandria-ocasio-cortez_us_5c38cb74e4b05cb31c421cc3

what a bunch of junk....I like that this neuroscientist states "I think"...clearly just an idiot with an agenda again,

I don;t fear her...I fear some of her ideas, especially her ideas of data and fact from time to time.  But I'm interested to see how she does and how she grows.  But not someone I'm aligned with politically very much at all.