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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,029
    I still don't understand why anyone is calling the photos an attack pon her by the republicans or conservatives. From what I could tell, The Guardian falsely accused TDC of posting the photos. I could find nothing to suggest they ever posted it, they just reported that FAKE photos had been posted online.
    And as I pointed out earlier, how is this any different that just about every female out there under 40? Its something that unfortunately happens, it doesn't represent one group or the other, its usually one creepy dude trying to make a few bucks. This has happened to many women, including Sarah Palin if I remember. But I don't remember anyone saying Sarah must be a strong leader and is just scary to the left as a result of it though.
  • my2hands
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    oftenreading said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Republicans are threatened by her. 
    I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama. 

    I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples. 
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/11/no-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-fact-is-its-not-because-youre-woman/
  • Ledbetterman10
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    my2hands said:
    oftenreading said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Republicans are threatened by her. 
    I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama. 

    I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples. 
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/11/no-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-fact-is-its-not-because-youre-woman/
    I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though. 
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  • oftenreading
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    my2hands said:
    oftenreading said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Republicans are threatened by her. 
    I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama. 

    I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples. 
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/11/no-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-fact-is-its-not-because-youre-woman/
    I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though. 
    Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen. 
     
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    oftenreading said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    my2hands said:
    oftenreading said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Republicans are threatened by her. 
    I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama. 

    I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples. 
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/11/no-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-fact-is-its-not-because-youre-woman/
    I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though. 
    Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen. 
     
    What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes). 


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  • oftenreading
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    my2hands said:
    oftenreading said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Republicans are threatened by her. 
    I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama. 

    I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples. 
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/11/no-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-fact-is-its-not-because-youre-woman/
    I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though. 
    Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen. 
     
    What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes). 


    Yes, I know you said you “feel” that, but based on what? There just isn’t a lot of eveidence that young men are routinely dismissed in the way that young women are, particularly by the GOP. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    oftenreading said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    my2hands said:
    oftenreading said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Republicans are threatened by her. 
    I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama. 

    I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples. 
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/11/no-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-fact-is-its-not-because-youre-woman/
    I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though. 
    Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen. 
     
    What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes). 


    Yes, I know you said you “feel” that, but based on what? There just isn’t a lot of eveidence that young men are routinely dismissed in the way that young women are, particularly by the GOP. 
    I'm just sick of hearing about sexism from the left. Hillary used it as an excuse for her loss and she's completely wrong about that. Enough playing victim and blaming various "-isms" for everything. So someone called her a "little girl." Who cares? Who's offended by this? Is she? Doubt it. Because if she is, she's not cut out for American politics. And as for the GOP, they routinely dismiss woman? They routinely dismiss EVERYONE that isn't in line with their politics...as do the Democrats. 
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  • OnWis97
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    Paul Ryan was about her age when he was first elected.  He was treated the same, right? 
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  • mace1229
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    I agree that "ism" card is played too often, that when a minority or woman is criticized it is because they are black or female.
    I don't remember anything about Paul Ryan when he started, that was 20 years ago and I was in high school. But I doubt he received nearly as much publicity as Alexandria, both positive or negative. 
    Alexandria has put herself out there a lot in interviews and otherwise. I remember hearing so much about her before she even won. Many on the left and right were calling her the new generation of liberals, or the future of the left. I was hearing all this before the election even happen, and it just increased when she won. So yes, she's had more negative said about her than most, but also more positive. I doubt Paul Ryan would of had his own thread 20 years ago if this forum was around. She has a ton of supporters and puts herself out there a lot, and this comes with that territory.  Was Paul Ryan even a household name 20 years ago?
  • tempo_n_groove
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    I agree that the ism card is played too often, often a knee jerk to any criticism, but I think it applies in this situation. 

    And I disagree with the assertion that a male her age would have been called little boy. I could see Mitch McConnell calling someone "son", but I also think he'd say that to anyone south of the age of 65. 
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  • oftenreading
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    Lol at the idea of white men being sick of hearing about sexism :lol: 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    oftenreading said:
    Lol at the idea of white men being sick of hearing about sexism :lol: 
    but it doesn't apply in every situation just because it involves a woman. 
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  • mace1229
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    oftenreading said:
    Lol at the idea of white men being sick of hearing about sexism :lol: 
    When it doesn't apply, why is that funny? And what does white have to do with sexism?
    You can honestly say the -ism card isn't overplayed? I'm not saying those things don't exist, but they are definitely overplayed.
  • tempo_n_groove
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    oftenreading said:
    Lol at the idea of white men being sick of hearing about sexism :lol: 
    Fixed!!!
  • mace1229
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    edited January 2019
    And I doubt a new congressman would be called "little boy." But there would be equally derogorative terms (actually, far worse I imagine) used if anyone as far right as she is left joined. She has been farther left than many and most before her. Imagine if some 28 year old male was equally right, and openly campaigned heavily for outlawing abortions and so on. There wouldn't be name calling on him?
    If she was just a middle of the road democrat there wouldn't be this thread.
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  • cincybearcat
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    mace1229 said:
    And I doubt a new congressman would be called "little boy." But there would be equally derogorative terms (actually, far worse I imagine) used if anyone as far right as she is left joined. She has been farther left than many and most before her. Imagine if some 28 year old male was equally right, and openly campaigned heavily for outlawing abortions and so on. There wouldn't be name calling on him?
    If she was just a middle of the road democrat there wouldn't be this thread.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    There’s a whole bunch of extremely conservative white dudes in the house. They call themselves the freedom caucus. Now show me all the derogatory comments from the left regarding them. With links.
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    this is so great, I hope she can keep this up her entire term
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,029
    edited January 2019
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    There’s a whole bunch of extremely conservative white dudes in the house. They call themselves the freedom caucus. Now show me all the derogatory comments from the left regarding them. With links.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/28/opinion/sunday/mike-pence-holy-terror.html

    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/comment/6885079#Comment_6885079
    There's a ton to chose from on that second one.

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