Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

jerparker20

I had to go chuckle a bit at those AOC tweets. She represents a super liberal, wealthy district. Run a turnip with a D next to the name and it will win in a landslide. Same with any of the “squad”.

Now for the Democrats in rural areas or outer ring suburbs, different story. They can’t run on the AOC super progressive platform and even consider being competitive. Ain’t happening. The district in MN that I grew up in, which was considered a democratic lock for decades, has now went R two elections in a row. Hasn’t happened in almost 100 years. MN 7th District which has been D for over 30 years just elected a hard right, who moved to the district last year solely to run, by a large majority.

Folks like AOC just don’t get the mind set of rural voters, their messaging is off. It’s hard to sell the concept of defunding the police in an area where everyone knows the names of all their police officers. Gun control is a hard sell in communities that rarely ever see gun violence and where hunting is a way of life. White privilege is a tough concept to drive when large chunks of rural whites are living in poverty.

They view those issues as problems of large cities that are caused by soft, liberal politicians. I’ve mentioned it elsewhere, the riots/unrest across the country did more to turn out the Trump vote than anything else. Rs knew this and ran with it, no matter how racist, wrong, and disgusting I found it. At the end of the day politics is about winning enough seats to push your parties agenda. Something Rs have known for years, and Ds still struggle with.

So yes, the real problem for D’s who lost, or almost lost, was that they didn’t spend enough money on digital advertising in the lead up to the election.

Like it or not rural folks have an outsized position of power in the US. Find a way to get them to the table.

HughFreakingDillon

gotta give it to her. she's smart as a whip. 

Halifax2TheMax

HughFreakingDillon said:

gotta give it to her. she's smart as a whip. 

And they’d love her as their neighbor.

Lerxst1992

jerparker20 said:

I had to go chuckle a bit at those AOC tweets. She represents a super liberal, wealthy district. Run a turnip with a D next to the name and it will win in a landslide. Same with any of the “squad”.

Now for the Democrats in rural areas or outer ring suburbs, different story. They can’t run on the AOC super progressive platform and even consider being competitive. Ain’t happening. The district in MN that I grew up in, which was considered a democratic lock for decades, has now went R two elections in a row. Hasn’t happened in almost 100 years. MN 7th District which has been D for over 30 years just elected a hard right, who moved to the district last year solely to run, by a large majority.

Folks like AOC just don’t get the mind set of rural voters, their messaging is off. It’s hard to sell the concept of defunding the police in an area where everyone knows the names of all their police officers. Gun control is a hard sell in communities that rarely ever see gun violence and where hunting is a way of life. White privilege is a tough concept to drive when large chunks of rural whites are living in poverty.

They view those issues as problems of large cities that are caused by soft, liberal politicians. I’ve mentioned it elsewhere, the riots/unrest across the country did more to turn out the Trump vote than anything else. Rs knew this and ran with it, no matter how racist, wrong, and disgusting I found it. At the end of the day politics is about winning enough seats to push your parties agenda. Something Rs have known for years, and Ds still struggle with.

So yes, the real problem for D’s who lost, or almost lost, was that they didn’t spend enough money on digital advertising in the lead up to the election.

Like it or not rural folks have an outsized position of power in the US. Find a way to get them to the table.

Progressives should take extreme caution from this election. Instead of an estimate 241+ seats in the House, it’s possible they only get 229. Many suburban swing districts voted against trump but crossed over to vote for a republican in Congress. AOC, Warren, Sanders et al, take note or 2022 could be a blood bath for Dems, as the opposition party usually does better in the midterms. 

Dems need to be much more careful with messaging. “Defund the police” probably cost the democrats the senate (GA is a long shot) and 11+ seats in the House, mostly suburban. Some of that is Trump constantly lying, but republicans are masters at making progressives look extremist to suburban voters. And I did not see AOC, Sanders et al back down at all. They want stick to their guns? The 2022 and 2024 may not be fun for the Blues.

Spiritual_Chaos

https://twitter.com/aidan_smx/status/1324465958832889856?s=20

https://twitter.com/aidan_smx/status/1324466176886370304?s=20

https://twitter.com/aidan_smx/status/1324466506424463360?s=20

jerparker20

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/aidan_smx/status/1324465958832889856?s=20

https://twitter.com/aidan_smx/status/1324466176886370304?s=20

https://twitter.com/aidan_smx/status/1324466506424463360?s=20

All from historically republican states or represented primarily rural districts, and are areas were Trump had strong turn out this election.

Colin Peterson, a moderate D, had represented his MN district (my brother lives in it) for 30+ years. He got crushed by a carpetbagging, hard right, loyal Trump supporter. Every ad ran against him featured AOC, Omar, and Pelosi. Also a good number pegging him to being “against the police” with some images of causal racism through in for good measure. Again, it’s hard for folks not from these areas to understand, but the super progressive platform is not going to work in them.

static111

It's a huge problem that one of the scariest things for Rural America is 4 Women of Color...If that isn't a product of the systemic racism in this country I don't know what is. 

what dreams

jerparker20 said:

I had to go chuckle a bit at those AOC tweets. She represents a super liberal, wealthy district. Run a turnip with a D next to the name and it will win in a landslide. Same with any of the “squad”.

Now for the Democrats in rural areas or outer ring suburbs, different story. They can’t run on the AOC super progressive platform and even consider being competitive. Ain’t happening. The district in MN that I grew up in, which was considered a democratic lock for decades, has now went R two elections in a row. Hasn’t happened in almost 100 years. MN 7th District which has been D for over 30 years just elected a hard right, who moved to the district last year solely to run, by a large majority.

Folks like AOC just don’t get the mind set of rural voters, their messaging is off. It’s hard to sell the concept of defunding the police in an area where everyone knows the names of all their police officers. Gun control is a hard sell in communities that rarely ever see gun violence and where hunting is a way of life. White privilege is a tough concept to drive when large chunks of rural whites are living in poverty.

They view those issues as problems of large cities that are caused by soft, liberal politicians. I’ve mentioned it elsewhere, the riots/unrest across the country did more to turn out the Trump vote than anything else. Rs knew this and ran with it, no matter how racist, wrong, and disgusting I found it. At the end of the day politics is about winning enough seats to push your parties agenda. Something Rs have known for years, and Ds still struggle with.

So yes, the real problem for D’s who lost, or almost lost, was that they didn’t spend enough money on digital advertising in the lead up to the election.

Like it or not rural folks have an outsized position of power in the US. Find a way to get them to the table.

Excellent post. I am the youngest sibling behind three older brothers and their wives, all Trump supporters. You are so right about the protests this summer firing up the base on the right. And the guns. And abortion. 

I always love reading the viewpoint of people who've never actually known an in-the-flesh Trumper trying to explain how to persuade them.  I've been having these family dinner fights for about 30 years. They are not persuadable, they do not see their own contradictions, and they are surely angry about the disrespect they perceive against their rural culture -- where, BY THE WAY, AOC, THERE IS NO DIGITAL CONNECTION in many areas you speak of. 

HughFreakingDillon

static111 said:

It's a huge problem that one of the scariest things for Rural America is 4 Women of Color...If that isn't a product of the systemic racism in this country I don't know what is. 

i think for many people, the colour plays a role for sure. but it is also their policies. they all lean way left, and people fear extremes on both sides. 

tbergs

what dreams said:

jerparker20 said:

I had to go chuckle a bit at those AOC tweets. She represents a super liberal, wealthy district. Run a turnip with a D next to the name and it will win in a landslide. Same with any of the “squad”.

Now for the Democrats in rural areas or outer ring suburbs, different story. They can’t run on the AOC super progressive platform and even consider being competitive. Ain’t happening. The district in MN that I grew up in, which was considered a democratic lock for decades, has now went R two elections in a row. Hasn’t happened in almost 100 years. MN 7th District which has been D for over 30 years just elected a hard right, who moved to the district last year solely to run, by a large majority.

Folks like AOC just don’t get the mind set of rural voters, their messaging is off. It’s hard to sell the concept of defunding the police in an area where everyone knows the names of all their police officers. Gun control is a hard sell in communities that rarely ever see gun violence and where hunting is a way of life. White privilege is a tough concept to drive when large chunks of rural whites are living in poverty.

They view those issues as problems of large cities that are caused by soft, liberal politicians. I’ve mentioned it elsewhere, the riots/unrest across the country did more to turn out the Trump vote than anything else. Rs knew this and ran with it, no matter how racist, wrong, and disgusting I found it. At the end of the day politics is about winning enough seats to push your parties agenda. Something Rs have known for years, and Ds still struggle with.

So yes, the real problem for D’s who lost, or almost lost, was that they didn’t spend enough money on digital advertising in the lead up to the election.

Like it or not rural folks have an outsized position of power in the US. Find a way to get them to the table.

Excellent post. I am the youngest sibling behind three older brothers and their wives, all Trump supporters. You are so right about the protests this summer firing up the base on the right. And the guns. And abortion. 

I always love reading the viewpoint of people who've never actually known an in-the-flesh Trumper trying to explain how to persuade them.  I've been having these family dinner fights for about 30 years. They are not persuadable, they do not see their own contradictions, and they are surely angry about the disrespect they perceive against their rural culture -- where, BY THE WAY, AOC, THERE IS NO DIGITAL CONNECTION in many areas you speak of. 

These two posts sum it up well. AOC is way off and while her base probably think she is a genius, she would never, ever, get a single vote form any person in those rural districts. I have had to stomach my relatives bullshit, racist, ignorant viewpoints for decades. I grew up hearing slurs about every race imaginable. The protests and bickering over relief packages always came back to democrats fucking it up in their eyes. Common thought was, if you don't like it here, go back to where you came from. Thanks for that gem, mom. I can't reason with them and I've given up on trying. They see and hear what they want. If a democrat wants to win in those districts they'll need to lie and stab people like AOC in the back, but even then they will lose to some whack job right winger spewing nonsense and riling up fake fear of the other. Collin Peterson in MN saw that first hand. My parents used to talk nicely of him when I was a kid, but I would bet they voted for the whack job this time.

static111

https://twitter.com/SiegelForTexas/status/1324715683016548352?s=20

Smellyman

static111 said:

https://twitter.com/SiegelForTexas/status/1324715683016548352?s=20

The problem was running with a hard on

static111

Not that anyone here will see the correlation between white people and racism standing in the way of progress but this is  worth a read if you have an open mind. https://eand.co/americas-problem-is-that-white-people-want-it-to-be-a-failed-state-bac24202f32f

static111

https://twitter.com/BenjaminPDixon/status/1324864980072718337?s=20

what dreams

static111 said:

Not that anyone here will see the correlation between white people and racism standing in the way of progress but this is  worth a read if you have an open mind. https://eand.co/americas-problem-is-that-white-people-want-it-to-be-a-failed-state-bac24202f32f

Why the "Not that anyone here will see . . . "  and the "if you have an open mind"???

That's the exact know-it-all, elitiest bullshit attitude many people rejected at the ballot on Tuesday.  You have an audience of educated, open-minded readers right here, and you open with an insult. That's not a great way in. 

Spiritual_Chaos

HughFreakingDillon said:

static111 said:

It's a huge problem that one of the scariest things for Rural America is 4 Women of Color...If that isn't a product of the systemic racism in this country I don't know what is. 

i think for many people, the colour plays a role for sure. but it is also their policies. they all lean way left, and people fear extremes on both sides. 

the biggesr trick the devil ever pulled, was skewing what is extreme and not for people in the US. 

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

static111 said:

It's a huge problem that one of the scariest things for Rural America is 4 Women of Color...If that isn't a product of the systemic racism in this country I don't know what is. 

i think for many people, the colour plays a role for sure. but it is also their policies. they all lean way left, and people fear extremes on both sides. 

the biggesr trick the devil ever pulled, was scewing what is extreme and not for people in the US. 

static111

what dreams said:

static111 said:

Not that anyone here will see the correlation between white people and racism standing in the way of progress but this is  worth a read if you have an open mind. https://eand.co/americas-problem-is-that-white-people-want-it-to-be-a-failed-state-bac24202f32f

Why the "Not that anyone here will see . . . "  and the "if you have an open mind"???

That's the exact know-it-all, elitiest bullshit attitude many people rejected at the ballot on Tuesday.  You have an audience of educated, open-minded readers right here, and you open with an insult. That's not a great way in. 

Of course because when posting about progressive wins and ballot measures the responses have been overwhelmingly positive around here.

static111

https://twitter.com/JamaalBowmanNY/status/1325086975335018496?s=20

Spiritual_Chaos

What even is reparations...