Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez
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Look, I have beef with the woman's policy positions, but I totally understand what she's saying here0
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static111 said:
Not that there’s anything wrong with being a DSA member...pjl44 said:
100%. You don't need to be a DSA member to understand that a vast swath of Republicans are gonna try to run away from their Trumpy positions once it's no longer politically expedient.static111 said:
Agreed it is often the route to positive long lasting change!pjl44 said:Holding politicians accountable is not Stalinism
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That’s understandable. It’s funny how after 4 years of outright hate pouring from the Republican Party, suddenly holding them accountable is being drafted into intolerance and hate crimes...how about if they wouldn’t have sucked Donald’s farts so hard they wouldn’t even have anything to worry about.pjl44 said:Look, I have beef with the woman's policy positions, but I totally understand what she's saying hereScio me nihil scire
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Unfortunately as we’ve seen people on both sides can go too far and with such a broad description (“Trump sycophants”) I would almost guarantee someone is currently getting screenshots and the like for ordinary citizens (I honestly hope I’m wrong, however).pjl44 said:
It can be pundits, too. I don't know who would be trying to compile such a list of average joes or why.DarthMaeglin said:
In your case I wouldn’t necessarily be against keeping track of Paul’s statements for one simple reason: he chose to enter politics and has therefore chosen to become a public figure. But that doesn’t seem to be what AOC is calling for. It sounds like she wants everyday citizens in her archives/on her list, and when I scrolled through her twitter feed earlier didn’t see anything by way of clarification on that front. If I was on the platform I might try and ask her what she meant, I’ll try the 2 social media sites I am on and post any reply here.pjl44 said:
Here's an example: I used to be generally supportive of Rand Paul. He's said and done some weird shit, with an endorsement of Roy Moore being right up there with the weirdest shit. I want people to document that and take him to task for it, mostly because it is so disappointing. That is not a slippery slope toward putting him in a camp.DarthMaeglin said:
I agree, the list may be removed from the camps, but it’s one of the first steps in that direction historically. In a free and open democracy lists like this are downright offensive and will set a very, very bad precedent. This like some weird mix of Stalin meets McCarthy.pjl44 said:
Taking note of someone's public statements is many, many steps removed from setting up campsDarthMaeglin said:
I don’t know which side of my values this springs from, but making lists like this isn’t that many steps removed from setting up camps for the people on the list (in my opinion, obviously). And when the coin (inevitably) flips then the other side tends to take their turn at rounding people up.static111 said:
And why shouldn’t hateful racist trump supporters be blackballed?DarthMaeglin said:
I read a couple articles about it and it sounds very vigilante to me with a lack of clarity in her suggestion and an idea rife with the potential to be misused (blackballing Trump supporters has been suggested), I guess. It will do nothing to bring people together which is what’s most needed in this moment. Hopefully Biden or Pelosi or someone can reel in AOC.static111 said:
Sounds to me she just wants to make sure people can’t run away from their associations with trump come reelection time. Not a purge. Just to hold them accountable.DarthMaeglin said:Sounds like both sides are urging a purge based on the above post’s headline and this one...both are the worst kind of wrong in my opinion (I realize a purge of Trump supporters will be very popular in this district, lol).
https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/aoc-facing-heat-for-wanting-to-archive-posts-by-trump-sycophants/
Edit: I misread the headline I referenced, is Scarborough (ironically the name of the suburb I live in, lol) a conservative or liberal? I thought he was on the con side.
That said, if actual crimes were committed, then it’s the place of the legal authorities to investigate and prosecute, which can blackball people from many jobs via a criminal record. As we all know, destruction of evidence is a crime, and nothing on the internet truly disappears.
As I said before this will only exacerbate the division, not unify, which Biden claims is his goal.
And just for full disclosure and clarity, I’m posting safely north of the U.S. border.
The standard I usually try to employ is “if the other person does it, is it ok?” In this case I might find myself on AOC’s list, but I implore everyone to try my exercise asking if the Republicans had won and a senator wanted to archive materials posted by their opponents to use against them, would it be acceptable? I honestly can’t tell if my question’s rhetorical or not, lol.
I’ll give this to the Trump Accountability Project, they’re very clear about who they would deny a livelihood (though the list is no longer public...for the moment). AOC needs to clarify who she wants targeted then I’ll more firmly decide how I feel, but the post as it stands casts too broad a net in my opinion."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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Got a nice email from Andrew Yangs humanity forward.. I think he is the person that can really unite the left.Friend,This election was a lot closer than the blowout some were expecting.The votes are still trickling in, but what I said on TV this past Thursday feels like part of the answer to why that may have happened.When I was running for president, I spoke with many of the people who hold some of our most common jobs in America -- truck drivers, retail clerks, waitresses and more.When I told them I was running as a Democrat, a lot of them tended to flinch.We have to acknowledge that there’s something wrong when working class Americans have that response to a major party that is supposed to be fighting for them.So, you have to ask yourself in that situation, what is the Democratic Party standing for in their minds?If you’re a laid off worker, like too many of our people are today, that answer is unclear.
If Democrats want to end the accelerated mistrust in institutions that got Donald Trump elected, they’ve got to embrace policies that will create noticeable differences in people’s lives.That must start with recurring cash relief in Congress.Let’s put our best foot forward together,-Andrew YangScio me nihil scire
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Maybe the losers should meet US halfway? Let’s start there. We won and have a mandate. ( yuk yuk they have the guns). Not even-01/21/2021 and you’re apologizing? You for real, yo?static111 said:Got a nice email from Andrew Yangs humanity forward.. I think he is the person that can really unite the left.Friend,This election was a lot closer than the blowout some were expecting.The votes are still trickling in, but what I said on TV this past Thursday feels like part of the answer to why that may have happened.When I was running for president, I spoke with many of the people who hold some of our most common jobs in America -- truck drivers, retail clerks, waitresses and more.When I told them I was running as a Democrat, a lot of them tended to flinch.We have to acknowledge that there’s something wrong when working class Americans have that response to a major party that is supposed to be fighting for them.So, you have to ask yourself in that situation, what is the Democratic Party standing for in their minds?If you’re a laid off worker, like too many of our people are today, that answer is unclear.If Democrats want to end the accelerated mistrust in institutions that got Donald Trump elected, they’ve got to embrace policies that will create noticeable differences in people’s lives.That must start with recurring cash relief in Congress.Let’s put our best foot forward together,-Andrew Yang09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Regarding lists: Santa clause has a list. Hitler had a list. Putin has a list. Pol Pot had a list. Joseph McCarthy had a list. Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat has a list. Nancy Pelosi has a list. AOC has list. Which list would you prefer to be on? If you don’t know, visit Cambodia, go to Kraków and berlin and wake the fuckup. Lists.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I care about working people, and Dems ignoring working peoples needs as well as discounting progressives doesn’t seem like a good strategy. Policies that help out the poor and underserved seem like a good place to start. If we don’t do something we get Trump II/ revenge of the Bernie Bros. No one wants that. I’m pretty sure this entire election I’ve said the Democrats can win back the working class, not NCWs but the larger working class with policies that help everyone. I don’t think the guy is asking to meet any racist hatemongers half way, I think he is saying that if the Dems are supposed to be t he party of t he worker, they should deliver for the worker in a meaningful way. I’m just a dumb NCW welder, so what do I know.Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe the losers should meet US halfway? Let’s start there. We won and have a mandate. ( yuk yuk they have the guns). Not even-01/21/2021 and you’re apologizing? You for real, yo?static111 said:Got a nice email from Andrew Yangs humanity forward.. I think he is the person that can really unite the left.Friend,This election was a lot closer than the blowout some were expecting.The votes are still trickling in, but what I said on TV this past Thursday feels like part of the answer to why that may have happened.When I was running for president, I spoke with many of the people who hold some of our most common jobs in America -- truck drivers, retail clerks, waitresses and more.When I told them I was running as a Democrat, a lot of them tended to flinch.We have to acknowledge that there’s something wrong when working class Americans have that response to a major party that is supposed to be fighting for them.So, you have to ask yourself in that situation, what is the Democratic Party standing for in their minds?If you’re a laid off worker, like too many of our people are today, that answer is unclear.If Democrats want to end the accelerated mistrust in institutions that got Donald Trump elected, they’ve got to embrace policies that will create noticeable differences in people’s lives.That must start with recurring cash relief in Congress.Let’s put our best foot forward together,-Andrew YangScio me nihil scire
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“Dems ignoring working people.” Rich. Yo?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Shit, or just own it. "Yes, you can document everything I said and ask me about it later because that's what I believe." The tell is in the subtext that even righties know all that shit is gonna need to be walked back eventually.static111 said:
That’s understandable. It’s funny how after 4 years of outright hate pouring from the Republican Party, suddenly holding them accountable is being drafted into intolerance and hate crimes...how about if they wouldn’t have sucked Donald’s farts so hard they wouldn’t even have anything to worry about.pjl44 said:Look, I have beef with the woman's policy positions, but I totally understand what she's saying here0 -
What about the whole concept of allowing people to change and grow as humans? Particularly non politicians which is the risk of this "project" as well. I don't like it. It feels draconian.static111 said:
That’s understandable. It’s funny how after 4 years of outright hate pouring from the Republican Party, suddenly holding them accountable is being drafted into intolerance and hate crimes...how about if they wouldn’t have sucked Donald’s farts so hard they wouldn’t even have anything to worry about.pjl44 said:Look, I have beef with the woman's policy positions, but I totally understand what she's saying here0 -
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What about the whole concept of allowing people to change and grow as humans? Particularly non politicians which is the risk of this "project" as well. I don't like it. It feels draconian.static111 said:
That’s understandable. It’s funny how after 4 years of outright hate pouring from the Republican Party, suddenly holding them accountable is being drafted into intolerance and hate crimes...how about if they wouldn’t have sucked Donald’s farts so hard they wouldn’t even have anything to worry about.pjl44 said:Look, I have beef with the woman's policy positions, but I totally understand what she's saying hereLot of room for growth here I’d say. Can’t wait to not hold people like this guy and Lindsey flimsey or Moscow Mitch accountable in the name of personal growth. If people like this “ change” it’s surface level and in name only, sending the monster under the surface. Give them another Trump to rally around and the monster will come back. Trump isn’t even gone yet and you can rest assured that these people haven’t magically started looking inward to personal growth.Scio me nihil scire
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One person does not make a strategy or a database. Graham and other elected officials should absolutely be held accountable. But that's not what I'm talking about and what I would be concerned about. Imagine a low level staffer in the Trump admin. They have a poli sci degree and got a job in the admin and it was a great opportunity to start a career. Should they really be blackballed or name in a db because they worked as a staffer? I'm not talking about Stephen Miller here. What about a person that doesn't wear a shirt like that and actually does come to support equality (like Obama eventually did). Name in a db? No fucking way. It's Orwellian.static111 said:mrussel1 said:
What about the whole concept of allowing people to change and grow as humans? Particularly non politicians which is the risk of this "project" as well. I don't like it. It feels draconian.static111 said:
That’s understandable. It’s funny how after 4 years of outright hate pouring from the Republican Party, suddenly holding them accountable is being drafted into intolerance and hate crimes...how about if they wouldn’t have sucked Donald’s farts so hard they wouldn’t even have anything to worry about.pjl44 said:Look, I have beef with the woman's policy positions, but I totally understand what she's saying hereLot of room for growth here I’d say. Can’t wait to not hold people like this guy and Lindsey flimsey or Moscow Mitch accountable in the name of personal growth. If people like this “ change” it’s surface level and in name only, sending the monster under the surface. Give them another Trump to rally around and the monster will come back. Trump isn’t even gone yet and you can rest assured that these people haven’t magically started looking inward to personal growth.0 -
Proof of action. Not empty words. She isn’t talking about camps she is talking about holding people accountable that try to distance themselves. It’s one thing for a person to own up to a fault and work at it it’s another to ignore it completely. You want to come back from trump you had better work for it. Using your poli s I degree to help the administration is just another way to support the racism and hate ie you therefore become a racist by default. We literally were in a position of authoritarian March to facism, and you think a list to be used to hold people accountable is t same thing? Give me a break. You are just using this to paint AOC in a bad light, if Nancy pelosi called to hold trump supporters accountable you would be all for it. I mean weren’t some of the people that spent their entire life attacking Hillary Clinton just low level Nixon staffers at one time that no one held accountable for their corruption etc. I admire anyone that puts in the work and claws their way from trumpism and I’m sure AOC does/will too. Anyone that tries to pretend that wasn’t a chapter of their life and tries to go forward wothout acknowledging and doing something about it. Sorry hard pass. It is absolutely necessary to hold people that supported this facist racist authoritarian accountable everyday!mrussel1 said:
One person does not make a strategy or a database. Graham and other elected officials should absolutely be held accountable. But that's not what I'm talking about and what I would be concerned about. Imagine a low level staffer in the Trump admin. They have a poli sci degree and got a job in the admin and it was a great opportunity to start a career. Should they really be blackballed or name in a db because they worked as a staffer? I'm not talking about Stephen Miller here. What about a person that doesn't wear a shirt like that and actually does come to support equality (like Obama eventually did). Name in a db? No fucking way. It's Orwellian.static111 said:mrussel1 said:
What about the whole concept of allowing people to change and grow as humans? Particularly non politicians which is the risk of this "project" as well. I don't like it. It feels draconian.static111 said:
That’s understandable. It’s funny how after 4 years of outright hate pouring from the Republican Party, suddenly holding them accountable is being drafted into intolerance and hate crimes...how about if they wouldn’t have sucked Donald’s farts so hard they wouldn’t even have anything to worry about.pjl44 said:Look, I have beef with the woman's policy positions, but I totally understand what she's saying hereLot of room for growth here I’d say. Can’t wait to not hold people like this guy and Lindsey flimsey or Moscow Mitch accountable in the name of personal growth. If people like this “ change” it’s surface level and in name only, sending the monster under the surface. Give them another Trump to rally around and the monster will come back. Trump isn’t even gone yet and you can rest assured that these people haven’t magically started looking inward to personal growth.Post edited by static111 onScio me nihil scire
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If Pelosi called for the same, I would never agree with it. I'm not a hack or a follower. My respect for Pelosi is about the way she has managed the speakership, not necessarily policy wise.static111 said:
Proof of action. Not empty words. She isn’t talking about camps she is talking about holding people accountable that try to distance themselves. It’s one thing for a person to own up to a fault and work at it it’s another to ignore it completely. You want to come back from trump you had better work for it. Using your polo s I degree to help the administration is just another way to support the racism and hate ie you therefore become a racist by default. We literally were in a position of authoritarian March to facism, and you think a list to be used to hold people accountable is t same thing? Give me a break. You are just using this to paint AOC in a bad light, if Nancy pelosi called to hold trump supporters accountable you would be all for it. I mean weren’t some of the people that spent their entire life attacking Hillary Clinton just low level Nixon staffers at one time that no one held accountable for their corruption etc. I admire anyone that puts in the work and claws their way from trumpism and I’m sure AOC does/will too. Anyone that tries to pretend that wasn’t a chapter of their life and tries to go forward wothout acknowledging and doing something about it. Sorry hard pass. It is absolutely necessary to hold people that supported this facist racist authoritarian accountable everyday!mrussel1 said:
One person does not make a strategy or a database. Graham and other elected officials should absolutely be held accountable. But that's not what I'm talking about and what I would be concerned about. Imagine a low level staffer in the Trump admin. They have a poli sci degree and got a job in the admin and it was a great opportunity to start a career. Should they really be blackballed or name in a db because they worked as a staffer? I'm not talking about Stephen Miller here. What about a person that doesn't wear a shirt like that and actually does come to support equality (like Obama eventually did). Name in a db? No fucking way. It's Orwellian.static111 said:mrussel1 said:
What about the whole concept of allowing people to change and grow as humans? Particularly non politicians which is the risk of this "project" as well. I don't like it. It feels draconian.static111 said:
That’s understandable. It’s funny how after 4 years of outright hate pouring from the Republican Party, suddenly holding them accountable is being drafted into intolerance and hate crimes...how about if they wouldn’t have sucked Donald’s farts so hard they wouldn’t even have anything to worry about.pjl44 said:Look, I have beef with the woman's policy positions, but I totally understand what she's saying hereLot of room for growth here I’d say. Can’t wait to not hold people like this guy and Lindsey flimsey or Moscow Mitch accountable in the name of personal growth. If people like this “ change” it’s surface level and in name only, sending the monster under the surface. Give them another Trump to rally around and the monster will come back. Trump isn’t even gone yet and you can rest assured that these people haven’t magically started looking inward to personal growth.
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Should corporations be pressured not to hire racists? Yes yes they should.mrussel1 said:
If Pelosi called for the same, I would never agree with it. I'm not a hack or a follower. My respect for Pelosi is about the way she has managed the speakership, not necessarily policy wise.static111 said:
Proof of action. Not empty words. She isn’t talking about camps she is talking about holding people accountable that try to distance themselves. It’s one thing for a person to own up to a fault and work at it it’s another to ignore it completely. You want to come back from trump you had better work for it. Using your polo s I degree to help the administration is just another way to support the racism and hate ie you therefore become a racist by default. We literally were in a position of authoritarian March to facism, and you think a list to be used to hold people accountable is t same thing? Give me a break. You are just using this to paint AOC in a bad light, if Nancy pelosi called to hold trump supporters accountable you would be all for it. I mean weren’t some of the people that spent their entire life attacking Hillary Clinton just low level Nixon staffers at one time that no one held accountable for their corruption etc. I admire anyone that puts in the work and claws their way from trumpism and I’m sure AOC does/will too. Anyone that tries to pretend that wasn’t a chapter of their life and tries to go forward wothout acknowledging and doing something about it. Sorry hard pass. It is absolutely necessary to hold people that supported this facist racist authoritarian accountable everyday!mrussel1 said:
One person does not make a strategy or a database. Graham and other elected officials should absolutely be held accountable. But that's not what I'm talking about and what I would be concerned about. Imagine a low level staffer in the Trump admin. They have a poli sci degree and got a job in the admin and it was a great opportunity to start a career. Should they really be blackballed or name in a db because they worked as a staffer? I'm not talking about Stephen Miller here. What about a person that doesn't wear a shirt like that and actually does come to support equality (like Obama eventually did). Name in a db? No fucking way. It's Orwellian.static111 said:mrussel1 said:
What about the whole concept of allowing people to change and grow as humans? Particularly non politicians which is the risk of this "project" as well. I don't like it. It feels draconian.static111 said:
That’s understandable. It’s funny how after 4 years of outright hate pouring from the Republican Party, suddenly holding them accountable is being drafted into intolerance and hate crimes...how about if they wouldn’t have sucked Donald’s farts so hard they wouldn’t even have anything to worry about.pjl44 said:Look, I have beef with the woman's policy positions, but I totally understand what she's saying hereLot of room for growth here I’d say. Can’t wait to not hold people like this guy and Lindsey flimsey or Moscow Mitch accountable in the name of personal growth. If people like this “ change” it’s surface level and in name only, sending the monster under the surface. Give them another Trump to rally around and the monster will come back. Trump isn’t even gone yet and you can rest assured that these people haven’t magically started looking inward to personal growth.
So using my example of a staffer in the admin, do you think they should be in this database and what should be done with that info? Should corporations be pressured not to hire that person because of that employment?Scio me nihil scire
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“Is anyone archiving these Trump sycophants for when they try to downplay or deny their complicity in the future?” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted on Friday.
“I foresee decent probability of many deleted Tweets, writings, photos in the future,” the lawmaker wrote.
Here’s her actual words the rest is speculation.
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Sorry, that's just a horrible policy and if that's the way of the party, I'll be exiting. It's guilt by association and if Trump people did the same, you would scream fascism. Hold people accountable for what THEY say. It's despicable and appalling. I know lots of Trump voters who are good people. I work with them. They're misinformed, but it's not like they deserve to be impoverished. I mean seriously.... is this a fucking joke?static111 said:
Should corporations be pressured not to hire racists? Yes yes they should.mrussel1 said:
If Pelosi called for the same, I would never agree with it. I'm not a hack or a follower. My respect for Pelosi is about the way she has managed the speakership, not necessarily policy wise.static111 said:
Proof of action. Not empty words. She isn’t talking about camps she is talking about holding people accountable that try to distance themselves. It’s one thing for a person to own up to a fault and work at it it’s another to ignore it completely. You want to come back from trump you had better work for it. Using your polo s I degree to help the administration is just another way to support the racism and hate ie you therefore become a racist by default. We literally were in a position of authoritarian March to facism, and you think a list to be used to hold people accountable is t same thing? Give me a break. You are just using this to paint AOC in a bad light, if Nancy pelosi called to hold trump supporters accountable you would be all for it. I mean weren’t some of the people that spent their entire life attacking Hillary Clinton just low level Nixon staffers at one time that no one held accountable for their corruption etc. I admire anyone that puts in the work and claws their way from trumpism and I’m sure AOC does/will too. Anyone that tries to pretend that wasn’t a chapter of their life and tries to go forward wothout acknowledging and doing something about it. Sorry hard pass. It is absolutely necessary to hold people that supported this facist racist authoritarian accountable everyday!mrussel1 said:
One person does not make a strategy or a database. Graham and other elected officials should absolutely be held accountable. But that's not what I'm talking about and what I would be concerned about. Imagine a low level staffer in the Trump admin. They have a poli sci degree and got a job in the admin and it was a great opportunity to start a career. Should they really be blackballed or name in a db because they worked as a staffer? I'm not talking about Stephen Miller here. What about a person that doesn't wear a shirt like that and actually does come to support equality (like Obama eventually did). Name in a db? No fucking way. It's Orwellian.static111 said:mrussel1 said:
What about the whole concept of allowing people to change and grow as humans? Particularly non politicians which is the risk of this "project" as well. I don't like it. It feels draconian.static111 said:
That’s understandable. It’s funny how after 4 years of outright hate pouring from the Republican Party, suddenly holding them accountable is being drafted into intolerance and hate crimes...how about if they wouldn’t have sucked Donald’s farts so hard they wouldn’t even have anything to worry about.pjl44 said:Look, I have beef with the woman's policy positions, but I totally understand what she's saying hereLot of room for growth here I’d say. Can’t wait to not hold people like this guy and Lindsey flimsey or Moscow Mitch accountable in the name of personal growth. If people like this “ change” it’s surface level and in name only, sending the monster under the surface. Give them another Trump to rally around and the monster will come back. Trump isn’t even gone yet and you can rest assured that these people haven’t magically started looking inward to personal growth.
So using my example of a staffer in the admin, do you think they should be in this database and what should be done with that info? Should corporations be pressured not to hire that person because of that employment?0 -
Hey let's build the party by excluding 70 million citizens and deciding they should be unemployable. Great plan. It's political genius.0
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There are currently 70 million known jokes out there and not hiring racists isn’t one. Are you saying Trump is not worse than AOC? I mean what are you getting at here really? Did Trump have a list, the guy didn’t need one. He made out that everyone that wasn’t in his cult was the enemy. And 70 million activated and engaged supporters still believe it and aren’t willing to accept the election results. AOC asking to hold high level staffers and donors accountable is somehow worse? Give me a break, I know you don’t like her, but don’t bend over backwards into the right wing talking points making her comments out to be something that they are not.mrussel1 said:
Sorry, that's just a horrible policy and if that's the way of the party, I'll be exiting. It's guilt by association and if Trump people did the same, you would scream fascism. Hold people accountable for what THEY say. It's despicable and appalling. I know lots of Trump voters who are good people. I work with them. They're misinformed, but it's not like they deserve to be impoverished. I mean seriously.... is this a fucking joke?static111 said:
Should corporations be pressured not to hire racists? Yes yes they should.mrussel1 said:
If Pelosi called for the same, I would never agree with it. I'm not a hack or a follower. My respect for Pelosi is about the way she has managed the speakership, not necessarily policy wise.static111 said:
Proof of action. Not empty words. She isn’t talking about camps she is talking about holding people accountable that try to distance themselves. It’s one thing for a person to own up to a fault and work at it it’s another to ignore it completely. You want to come back from trump you had better work for it. Using your polo s I degree to help the administration is just another way to support the racism and hate ie you therefore become a racist by default. We literally were in a position of authoritarian March to facism, and you think a list to be used to hold people accountable is t same thing? Give me a break. You are just using this to paint AOC in a bad light, if Nancy pelosi called to hold trump supporters accountable you would be all for it. I mean weren’t some of the people that spent their entire life attacking Hillary Clinton just low level Nixon staffers at one time that no one held accountable for their corruption etc. I admire anyone that puts in the work and claws their way from trumpism and I’m sure AOC does/will too. Anyone that tries to pretend that wasn’t a chapter of their life and tries to go forward wothout acknowledging and doing something about it. Sorry hard pass. It is absolutely necessary to hold people that supported this facist racist authoritarian accountable everyday!mrussel1 said:
One person does not make a strategy or a database. Graham and other elected officials should absolutely be held accountable. But that's not what I'm talking about and what I would be concerned about. Imagine a low level staffer in the Trump admin. They have a poli sci degree and got a job in the admin and it was a great opportunity to start a career. Should they really be blackballed or name in a db because they worked as a staffer? I'm not talking about Stephen Miller here. What about a person that doesn't wear a shirt like that and actually does come to support equality (like Obama eventually did). Name in a db? No fucking way. It's Orwellian.static111 said:mrussel1 said:
What about the whole concept of allowing people to change and grow as humans? Particularly non politicians which is the risk of this "project" as well. I don't like it. It feels draconian.static111 said:
That’s understandable. It’s funny how after 4 years of outright hate pouring from the Republican Party, suddenly holding them accountable is being drafted into intolerance and hate crimes...how about if they wouldn’t have sucked Donald’s farts so hard they wouldn’t even have anything to worry about.pjl44 said:Look, I have beef with the woman's policy positions, but I totally understand what she's saying hereLot of room for growth here I’d say. Can’t wait to not hold people like this guy and Lindsey flimsey or Moscow Mitch accountable in the name of personal growth. If people like this “ change” it’s surface level and in name only, sending the monster under the surface. Give them another Trump to rally around and the monster will come back. Trump isn’t even gone yet and you can rest assured that these people haven’t magically started looking inward to personal growth.
So using my example of a staffer in the admin, do you think they should be in this database and what should be done with that info? Should corporations be pressured not to hire that person because of that employment?
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