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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,113
    what dreams said:
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    Please explain your cause and effect. Where is your evidence that one caused the other? Your're saying the 3% increase is the fault of Biden pandering to the right? Three percent of Trump voters looked at two right-leaning candidates and picked Trump? That's a bold claim as well, not sure it’s grounded in fact or just your opinion. I'll wait for a logical explanation of that.

    Maybe look at the numbers of newly registered Republican voters, and voters who came out this time just because the heat was on. The R's had a pretty strong registration drive in areas where they felt they needed it, and peeled off a lot of Latino and black men. I have my theories about why the latter turned out for him, and it's not because Joe is a secret Republican.
    The whole point of tacking right was to get the moderate Republican vote because the left couldn’t be counted on. Nevertheless, the right went hard for Trump.  
    Again, you cause and effect confuses me. Biden went right BECAUSE the left is unreliable? Really? Answering yes is a problem. 
    According to everything I have read the move to the right was to bring moderate Republican support because moving to the left could lose moderate Republican support and/or because the left were unreliable voters.  We will never know what a move to the left would have brought, we do know that AOC+3 were all re-elected and more progressives in their image won seats, we know that marijuana legalization largely passed, we know that in Florida $15 minimum wage passed, we know progressive ballot measures passed. We also know that Joe Biden’s strategy of moving right to bring in moderate republicans did absolutely nothing and that less republicans voted D than did in 2016.  Putting all that together I would say the electorate at least down ballot favors left leaning policies and I don’t think that if joe had went left that it would have hurt his chances I think it would have gained votes, based on the progressive down ballot elections and ballot measures that passed.
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,113
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    Please explain your cause and effect. Where is your evidence that one caused the other? Your're saying the 3% increase is the fault of Biden pandering to the right? Three percent of Trump voters looked at two right-leaning candidates and picked Trump? That's a bold claim as well, not sure it’s grounded in fact or just your opinion. I'll wait for a logical explanation of that.

    Maybe look at the numbers of newly registered Republican voters, and voters who came out this time just because the heat was on. The R's had a pretty strong registration drive in areas where they felt they needed it, and peeled off a lot of Latino and black men. I have my theories about why the latter turned out for him, and it's not because Joe is a secret Republican.
    The whole point of tacking right was to get the moderate Republican vote because the left couldn’t be counted on. Nevertheless, the right went hard for Trump.  
    And centrist,  independent vote.  I know people who would have stayed home had Bernie been the nominee. 
    Man we aren’t talking Bernie he lost the nomination. We are talking Joe reaching slightly to the left instead of John Kasich types.  Obviously that strategy failed at least in regards to getting more republicans to vote for joe.  I was never expecting Joe to be Bernie. I’m saying that based on what we now know perhaps making some sort of outreach to the left of center would have brought more votes. Down ballot candidates and ballot measures tell a story of Americans supporting progressive measures.  I mean Fox News just had a poll that said 70% of Americans are in favor of M4A...Fox News!
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,599
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    Please explain your cause and effect. Where is your evidence that one caused the other? Your're saying the 3% increase is the fault of Biden pandering to the right? Three percent of Trump voters looked at two right-leaning candidates and picked Trump? That's a bold claim as well, not sure it’s grounded in fact or just your opinion. I'll wait for a logical explanation of that.

    Maybe look at the numbers of newly registered Republican voters, and voters who came out this time just because the heat was on. The R's had a pretty strong registration drive in areas where they felt they needed it, and peeled off a lot of Latino and black men. I have my theories about why the latter turned out for him, and it's not because Joe is a secret Republican.
    The whole point of tacking right was to get the moderate Republican vote because the left couldn’t be counted on. Nevertheless, the right went hard for Trump.  
    And centrist,  independent vote.  I know people who would have stayed home had Bernie been the nominee. 
    and trump's cries of socialism would have been 10x more effective. bernie would have gotten destroyed. 
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,853
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    If someone left of Joe had run, I think you'd be seeing Trump's 2nd term sworn in in January.  Just my opinion, but it's clear that the Dems need to figure out a platform that actually provides them the opportunity to win national elections.  Or heck , even win back the senate.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,853
    what dreams said:
    How does one build a coalition with unreliable voters?
    This is an interesting question.
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,113
    what dreams said:
    How does one build a coalition with unreliable voters?
    The only people that claim they are unreliable is the people that aren’t willing to work with them. Lol. Hey vote for me...why what will you do for my concerns? Nothing... well why should I vote for you?  Ugh you lefty’s are so unreliable... I guess I’ll go try to reach out to these republicans who might not  support trump and don’t have any common ground with me instead...seems like a great strategy to me.
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,113
    cincybearcat said:
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    If someone left of Joe had run, I think you'd be seeing Trump's 2nd term sworn in in January.  Just my opinion, but it's clear that the Dems need to figure out a platform that actually provides them the opportunity to win national elections.  Or heck , even win back the senate.
    Stopping voter suppression and reinstating the voting rights act would go farther than reaching across the aisle to the party of racism and xenophobia.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,853
    edited November 2020
    static111 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    If someone left of Joe had run, I think you'd be seeing Trump's 2nd term sworn in in January.  Just my opinion, but it's clear that the Dems need to figure out a platform that actually provides them the opportunity to win national elections.  Or heck , even win back the senate.
    Stopping voter suppression and reinstating the voting rights act would go farther than reaching across the aisle to the party of racism and xenophobia.
    Calling every voter out there racist and a xenophobe certainly won't help.  
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,113
    cincybearcat said:
    static111 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    If someone left of Joe had run, I think you'd be seeing Trump's 2nd term sworn in in January.  Just my opinion, but it's clear that the Dems need to figure out a platform that actually provides them the opportunity to win national elections.  Or heck , even win back the senate.
    Stopping voter suppression and reinstating the voting rights act would go farther than reaching across the aisle to the party of racism and xenophobia.
    Calling every voter out there racist and a xenophobe certainly won't help.  
    I certainly made no such comment.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,853
    static111 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    static111 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    If someone left of Joe had run, I think you'd be seeing Trump's 2nd term sworn in in January.  Just my opinion, but it's clear that the Dems need to figure out a platform that actually provides them the opportunity to win national elections.  Or heck , even win back the senate.
    Stopping voter suppression and reinstating the voting rights act would go farther than reaching across the aisle to the party of racism and xenophobia.
    Calling every voter out there racist and a xenophobe certainly won't help.  
    I certainly made no such comment.
    Everyone that didn't vote your way....you sure did.  
    hippiemom = goodness
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,888
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    Please explain your cause and effect. Where is your evidence that one caused the other? Your're saying the 3% increase is the fault of Biden pandering to the right? Three percent of Trump voters looked at two right-leaning candidates and picked Trump? That's a bold claim as well, not sure it’s grounded in fact or just your opinion. I'll wait for a logical explanation of that.

    Maybe look at the numbers of newly registered Republican voters, and voters who came out this time just because the heat was on. The R's had a pretty strong registration drive in areas where they felt they needed it, and peeled off a lot of Latino and black men. I have my theories about why the latter turned out for him, and it's not because Joe is a secret Republican.
    The whole point of tacking right was to get the moderate Republican vote because the left couldn’t be counted on. Nevertheless, the right went hard for Trump.  
    And centrist,  independent vote.  I know people who would have stayed home had Bernie been the nominee. 
    Man we aren’t talking Bernie he lost the nomination. We are talking Joe reaching slightly to the left instead of John Kasich types.  Obviously that strategy failed at least in regards to getting more republicans to vote for joe.  I was never expecting Joe to be Bernie. I’m saying that based on what we now know perhaps making some sort of outreach to the left of center would have brought more votes. Down ballot candidates and ballot measures tell a story of Americans supporting progressive measures.  I mean Fox News just had a poll that said 70% of Americans are in favor of M4A...Fox News!
    I see you point.  I'd wait until the true post election analysis is done before drawing some of those conclusions.  There's no doubt that Trump's team did a good job getting out the vote.  But evidence also suggest Biden's team did well too.  I think we need to see demo issue to really understand what happened.  Exit polls are useless this year.  
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,113
    edited November 2020
    cincybearcat said:
    static111 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    static111 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    If someone left of Joe had run, I think you'd be seeing Trump's 2nd term sworn in in January.  Just my opinion, but it's clear that the Dems need to figure out a platform that actually provides them the opportunity to win national elections.  Or heck , even win back the senate.
    Stopping voter suppression and reinstating the voting rights act would go farther than reaching across the aisle to the party of racism and xenophobia.
    Calling every voter out there racist and a xenophobe certainly won't help.  
    I certainly made no such comment.
    Everyone that didn't vote your way....you sure did.  
    In your opinion.  I said restoring the voting rights act and stopping voter suppression would do more than reaching across the aisle to the party of racism and xenophobia.  Sure not every Republican is a racist xenophobe, but racist xenophobes with political affiliation are republicans. Which makes it the party of racist xenophobes.  That also certainly doesn’t encompass everyone that didn’t vote my way.  I supported Bernie in the primaries lol I don’t think that people that didn’t vote my way are racist xenophobes. But largely the party across the aisle is where those types find safe haven, and it’s time we stop pandering to them and either start educating or just ignore them.  
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,511
    edited November 2020
    cincybearcat said:
    static111 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    If someone left of Joe had run, I think you'd be seeing Trump's 2nd term sworn in in January.  Just my opinion, but it's clear that the Dems need to figure out a platform that actually provides them the opportunity to win national elections.  Or heck , even win back the senate.
    Stopping voter suppression and reinstating the voting rights act would go farther than reaching across the aisle to the party of racism and xenophobia.
    Calling every voter out there racist and a xenophobe certainly won't help.  
    Voting for racism, without a gun to your head, de facto makes you a racist.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,113
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    static111 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    If someone left of Joe had run, I think you'd be seeing Trump's 2nd term sworn in in January.  Just my opinion, but it's clear that the Dems need to figure out a platform that actually provides them the opportunity to win national elections.  Or heck , even win back the senate.
    Stopping voter suppression and reinstating the voting rights act would go farther than reaching across the aisle to the party of racism and xenophobia.
    Calling every voter out there racist and a xenophobe certainly won't help.  
    Voting for racism, without a gun to your head, de facto makes you a racist.
    Not in america it doesn’t apparently...in fact we have thousands of ways to explain it away.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,511

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,113
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    This proves that no one wants left leaning politicians 🤣🤣😂
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,888
    static111 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    This proves that no one wants left leaning politicians 🤣🤣😂
    Pelosi was +60. And her opponent was a progressive Democrat. 
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,618
    The Squad's margins are fairly meaningless.  I assume they are in districts that never, ever go GOP.  I grew up in Omar's district and I am 99% certain it's been represented by a Dem my entire life (46).  I can't speak that well to the other districts, but I'm guessing those are pretty liberal.
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  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    static111 said:
    what dreams said:
    How can anyone look at the election results and claim the country is getting more and more progressive? The evidence is simply not there. 

    Go ahead, though, and replace Pelosi with someone to her left at this moment in time. We'll see how that works for us. Sure.
    Because Joe pandering to the right ...checks notes... brought Trump 93% of t he republicans vote vs 90% in 2016
    Please explain your cause and effect. Where is your evidence that one caused the other? Your're saying the 3% increase is the fault of Biden pandering to the right? Three percent of Trump voters looked at two right-leaning candidates and picked Trump? That's a bold claim as well, not sure it’s grounded in fact or just your opinion. I'll wait for a logical explanation of that.

    Maybe look at the numbers of newly registered Republican voters, and voters who came out this time just because the heat was on. The R's had a pretty strong registration drive in areas where they felt they needed it, and peeled off a lot of Latino and black men. I have my theories about why the latter turned out for him, and it's not because Joe is a secret Republican.
    The whole point of tacking right was to get the moderate Republican vote because the left couldn’t be counted on. Nevertheless, the right went hard for Trump.  
    And centrist,  independent vote.  I know people who would have stayed home had Bernie been the nominee. 
    Man we aren’t talking Bernie he lost the nomination. We are talking Joe reaching slightly to the left instead of John Kasich types.  Obviously that strategy failed at least in regards to getting more republicans to vote for joe.  I was never expecting Joe to be Bernie. I’m saying that based on what we now know perhaps making some sort of outreach to the left of center would have brought more votes. Down ballot candidates and ballot measures tell a story of Americans supporting progressive measures.  I mean Fox News just had a poll that said 70% of Americans are in favor of M4A...Fox News!
    In Wisconsin, 20,000 more people voted for Biden than Trump. In 2016 in Wisconsin, 20,000 more people voted for Trump than Clinton. Who are the voters? Maybe not all the same people, but I would venture they are not the left. 

    The minimum wage thing in FL is a fluke. Minimum wage passed in a state that Trump won. You can't say that has everything to do with "the progressive left". It couldn't have won without Trump voter support.

    Voters are people. People are complicated. That's why parties benefit from big tents.
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,113
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    This proves that no one wants left leaning politicians 🤣🤣😂
    Pelosi was +60. And her opponent was a progressive Democrat. 
    She is an incumbent high profile politician.  It would be pretty stupid for any Dem to run against her you’d have to have insane amounts of money and a good ground game to go inter party like that.  I’m assuming she had no Republican challenger? 
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