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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 6,619
    mrussel1 said:
    Sinema up by 1.7%.  Lead is growing.  She's up by 4%!! in Maricopa, and that's with a Green candidate on the ballot.  I'm really not sure how McSally closes the gap in the small counties that are left.  And Trump is busy blaming the Democrats for the 600 pt Dow drop.  

    The ride is ending.  By 2020, we'll be in a recession and Trump will have zero levers to pull to get us out of it. That's what happens when you cut taxes during a Bull market.  Doi...
    Cut taxes
    Apply tariffs
    Alienate anyone with more then half a brain and an ounce of common  sense
  • njnancynjnancy Northern New JerseyPosts: 4,916
    mrussel1 said:
    You just beat me to it! That's Jeff Flake's seat, right? They put someone in McCain's seat when he passed away? I could google but the Giants are about to start playing. :worried:
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 18,121
    mrussel1 said:
    Sinema up by 1.7%.  Lead is growing.  She's up by 4%!! in Maricopa, and that's with a Green candidate on the ballot.  I'm really not sure how McSally closes the gap in the small counties that are left.  And Trump is busy blaming the Democrats for the 600 pt Dow drop.  

    The ride is ending.  By 2020, we'll be in a recession and Trump will have zero levers to pull to get us out of it. That's what happens when you cut taxes during a Bull market.  Doi...
    Joy. Economy will be in the crapper, but at least it hurts Trump?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,972
    Jason P said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sinema up by 1.7%.  Lead is growing.  She's up by 4%!! in Maricopa, and that's with a Green candidate on the ballot.  I'm really not sure how McSally closes the gap in the small counties that are left.  And Trump is busy blaming the Democrats for the 600 pt Dow drop.  

    The ride is ending.  By 2020, we'll be in a recession and Trump will have zero levers to pull to get us out of it. That's what happens when you cut taxes during a Bull market.  Doi...
    Joy. Economy will be in the crapper, but at least it hurts Trump?
    This isn't about what anyone is rooting for, these are facts.  You don't cut taxes and increase the deficit and debt during a bull market, one that was 8 years long.  This was the time we should have been reducing the debt load and dealing with entitlements. But that window has closed now.  Remember that the Dow is a leading indicator.  Unemployment numbers are lagging.   
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 18,121
    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sinema up by 1.7%.  Lead is growing.  She's up by 4%!! in Maricopa, and that's with a Green candidate on the ballot.  I'm really not sure how McSally closes the gap in the small counties that are left.  And Trump is busy blaming the Democrats for the 600 pt Dow drop.  

    The ride is ending.  By 2020, we'll be in a recession and Trump will have zero levers to pull to get us out of it. That's what happens when you cut taxes during a Bull market.  Doi...
    Joy. Economy will be in the crapper, but at least it hurts Trump?
    This isn't about what anyone is rooting for, these are facts.  You don't cut taxes and increase the deficit and debt during a bull market, one that was 8 years long.  This was the time we should have been reducing the debt load and dealing with entitlements. But that window has closed now.  Remember that the Dow is a leading indicator.  Unemployment numbers are lagging.   
    I think a lot of people are rooting for this. A lot. Maybe not you, but there are a ton of people that would gladly see the economy burn if it somehow hurt Trumps chances. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,972
    Jason P said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sinema up by 1.7%.  Lead is growing.  She's up by 4%!! in Maricopa, and that's with a Green candidate on the ballot.  I'm really not sure how McSally closes the gap in the small counties that are left.  And Trump is busy blaming the Democrats for the 600 pt Dow drop.  

    The ride is ending.  By 2020, we'll be in a recession and Trump will have zero levers to pull to get us out of it. That's what happens when you cut taxes during a Bull market.  Doi...
    Joy. Economy will be in the crapper, but at least it hurts Trump?
    This isn't about what anyone is rooting for, these are facts.  You don't cut taxes and increase the deficit and debt during a bull market, one that was 8 years long.  This was the time we should have been reducing the debt load and dealing with entitlements. But that window has closed now.  Remember that the Dow is a leading indicator.  Unemployment numbers are lagging.   
    I think a lot of people are rooting for this. A lot. Maybe not you, but there are a ton of people that would gladly see the economy burn if it somehow hurt Trumps chances. 
    I made a hundred dollar bet with someone that the market would be recessionary by end of Q2 2019.   We made the bet right when the tax cuts were passed.  So maybe I'm hoping for a little recession so I don't lose a whole hundred dollars.  

    Fortunately the fed has maintained its independence despite Trump and his public pronouncements against raising the discount rate.  They have rightly raised them so at least we can possibly control the depths.  I don't imagine it will come close to 2009 but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Dow move back towards 20.  We are absolutely due for a Bear. 
  • Jason P said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sinema up by 1.7%.  Lead is growing.  She's up by 4%!! in Maricopa, and that's with a Green candidate on the ballot.  I'm really not sure how McSally closes the gap in the small counties that are left.  And Trump is busy blaming the Democrats for the 600 pt Dow drop.  

    The ride is ending.  By 2020, we'll be in a recession and Trump will have zero levers to pull to get us out of it. That's what happens when you cut taxes during a Bull market.  Doi...
    Joy. Economy will be in the crapper, but at least it hurts Trump?
    This isn't about what anyone is rooting for, these are facts.  You don't cut taxes and increase the deficit and debt during a bull market, one that was 8 years long.  This was the time we should have been reducing the debt load and dealing with entitlements. But that window has closed now.  Remember that the Dow is a leading indicator.  Unemployment numbers are lagging.   
    I think a lot of people are rooting for this. A lot. Maybe not you, but there are a ton of people that would gladly see the economy burn if it somehow hurt Trumps chances. 
    Most of us realize the economy is cyclical and that nothing lasts forever. We also know it’s been 96 months of sustained growth, unprecedented, and that GDP growth needs to be 4% or better, quarter over quarter for 10 years to pay for the tax cuts. Again, unprecedented. Some people are stupid. Some people are not.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,972
    Jason P said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sinema up by 1.7%.  Lead is growing.  She's up by 4%!! in Maricopa, and that's with a Green candidate on the ballot.  I'm really not sure how McSally closes the gap in the small counties that are left.  And Trump is busy blaming the Democrats for the 600 pt Dow drop.  

    The ride is ending.  By 2020, we'll be in a recession and Trump will have zero levers to pull to get us out of it. That's what happens when you cut taxes during a Bull market.  Doi...
    Joy. Economy will be in the crapper, but at least it hurts Trump?
    This isn't about what anyone is rooting for, these are facts.  You don't cut taxes and increase the deficit and debt during a bull market, one that was 8 years long.  This was the time we should have been reducing the debt load and dealing with entitlements. But that window has closed now.  Remember that the Dow is a leading indicator.  Unemployment numbers are lagging.   
    I think a lot of people are rooting for this. A lot. Maybe not you, but there are a ton of people that would gladly see the economy burn if it somehow hurt Trumps chances. 
    Most of us realize the economy is cyclical and that nothing lasts forever. We also know it’s been 96 months of sustained growth, unprecedented, and that GDP growth needs to be 4% or better, quarter over quarter for 10 years to pay for the tax cuts. Again, unprecedented. Some people are stupid. Some people are not.
    And that is exactly it.  
    Think about that.. 4% QOQ, there's a multiplying effect to that number.  It's unsustainable.  
  • njnancynjnancy Northern New JerseyPosts: 4,916
    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jason P said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sinema up by 1.7%.  Lead is growing.  She's up by 4%!! in Maricopa, and that's with a Green candidate on the ballot.  I'm really not sure how McSally closes the gap in the small counties that are left.  And Trump is busy blaming the Democrats for the 600 pt Dow drop.  

    The ride is ending.  By 2020, we'll be in a recession and Trump will have zero levers to pull to get us out of it. That's what happens when you cut taxes during a Bull market.  Doi...
    Joy. Economy will be in the crapper, but at least it hurts Trump?
    This isn't about what anyone is rooting for, these are facts.  You don't cut taxes and increase the deficit and debt during a bull market, one that was 8 years long.  This was the time we should have been reducing the debt load and dealing with entitlements. But that window has closed now.  Remember that the Dow is a leading indicator.  Unemployment numbers are lagging.   
    I think a lot of people are rooting for this. A lot. Maybe not you, but there are a ton of people that would gladly see the economy burn if it somehow hurt Trumps chances. 
    Most of us realize the economy is cyclical and that nothing lasts forever. We also know it’s been 96 months of sustained growth, unprecedented, and that GDP growth needs to be 4% or better, quarter over quarter for 10 years to pay for the tax cuts. Again, unprecedented. Some people are stupid. Some people are not.
    And that is exactly it.  
    Think about that.. 4% QOQ, there's a multiplying effect to that number.  It's unsustainable.  
    Economics has always been my weakness. I understand on a basic level but by no means understand the market, etc. And I'm not invested in anything so there is no reason for me to be on top of it. Perhaps I should I educate myself, but I remember macro and micro in college and it was the one thing that I never really got. Oh, and architecture. 

    Anyway, these posts help because longer articles on the economy lose my interest. 
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,118
    mrussel1 said:
    dankind said:
    my2hands said:
    Pretty sure unsung is more focused on the democratic socialist thing than race and sex 

    Not everything is racism or sexism, good god

    Same reason fox has been focused on her, socialism is the boogeyman, not her race
    You seemed to be saying something somewhat opposite of this in previous posts.

    So which is it, man? Are people focused on policy or personality?


    It's exhausting trying to have a debate with someone who says something, disagrees with it when it's summarized, and then says it again.  WTF.  
    Easy answer... socialism is the bumper sticker that describes the candidate to most... it's the same noose around Bernies neck... the bumper sticker isnt always a good thing, it can be a bad thing. 

    No matter what she does, or what Bernie does, the immediate label (bumper sticker) in most peoples heads applied to them will be "Socialist"

    Why do you think Trump gives opponents names mocking them? They are bumper stickers and they work. He's branding his oppenents, and it sticks. Just ask Pocahontas 

    Does anybody remember Hillary's policy platform? I dont, and i voted for her. That tells me most dont remember or never really knew. Her platform was "i'm not him".... but EVERYBODY remembers Crooked Hillary, and always will

    Almost immediately after the 2012 election Trump copyrighted "Make America Great Again"
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,118
    mrussel1 said:
    Sinema up by 1.7%.  Lead is growing.  She's up by 4%!! in Maricopa, and that's with a Green candidate on the ballot.  I'm really not sure how McSally closes the gap in the small counties that are left.  And Trump is busy blaming the Democrats for the 600 pt Dow drop.  

    The ride is ending.  By 2020, we'll be in a recession and Trump will have zero levers to pull to get us out of it. That's what happens when you cut taxes during a Bull market.  Doi...
    And most american voters will believe it when they blame the demicratic house. You, and the people here, do not represent the average voter.  Most are low info voters, not wonks actually thinking about shit
  • my2hands said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dankind said:
    my2hands said:
    Pretty sure unsung is more focused on the democratic socialist thing than race and sex 

    Not everything is racism or sexism, good god

    Same reason fox has been focused on her, socialism is the boogeyman, not her race
    You seemed to be saying something somewhat opposite of this in previous posts.

    So which is it, man? Are people focused on policy or personality?


    It's exhausting trying to have a debate with someone who says something, disagrees with it when it's summarized, and then says it again.  WTF.  
    Easy answer... socialism is the bumper sticker that describes the candidate to most... it's the same noose around Bernies neck... the bumper sticker isnt always a good thing, it can be a bad thing. 

    No matter what she does, or what Bernie does, the immediate label (bumper sticker) in most peoples heads applied to them will be "Socialist"

    Why do you think Trump gives opponents names mocking them? They are bumper stickers and they work. He's branding his oppenents, and it sticks. Just ask Pocahontas 

    Does anybody remember Hillary's policy platform? I dont, and i voted for her. That tells me most dont remember or never really knew. Her platform was "i'm not him".... but EVERYBODY remembers Crooked Hillary, and always will

    Almost immediately after the 2012 election Trump copyrighted "Make America Great Again"
    But memes and putin on the ritz’s social media blitz didn’t work?
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  • my2hands said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dankind said:
    my2hands said:
    Pretty sure unsung is more focused on the democratic socialist thing than race and sex 

    Not everything is racism or sexism, good god

    Same reason fox has been focused on her, socialism is the boogeyman, not her race
    You seemed to be saying something somewhat opposite of this in previous posts.

    So which is it, man? Are people focused on policy or personality?


    It's exhausting trying to have a debate with someone who says something, disagrees with it when it's summarized, and then says it again.  WTF.  
    Easy answer... socialism is the bumper sticker that describes the candidate to most... it's the same noose around Bernies neck... the bumper sticker isnt always a good thing, it can be a bad thing. 

    No matter what she does, or what Bernie does, the immediate label (bumper sticker) in most peoples heads applied to them will be "Socialist"

    Why do you think Trump gives opponents names mocking them? They are bumper stickers and they work. He's branding his oppenents, and it sticks. Just ask Pocahontas 

    Does anybody remember Hillary's policy platform? I dont, and i voted for her. That tells me most dont remember or never really knew. Her platform was "i'm not him".... but EVERYBODY remembers Crooked Hillary, and always will

    Almost immediately after the 2012 election Trump copyrighted "Make America Great Again"
    Yep, we've gotten to a point where immature, uncreative, name-calling has become a sound political strategy. And heck, you can even do a complete 180 and it's okay. Ted Cruz was "Lyin' Ted", the son of the man that helped murder JFK, during the 2016 primary, and now he's a "tremendous Senator." 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,972
    my2hands said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dankind said:
    my2hands said:
    Pretty sure unsung is more focused on the democratic socialist thing than race and sex 

    Not everything is racism or sexism, good god

    Same reason fox has been focused on her, socialism is the boogeyman, not her race
    You seemed to be saying something somewhat opposite of this in previous posts.

    So which is it, man? Are people focused on policy or personality?


    It's exhausting trying to have a debate with someone who says something, disagrees with it when it's summarized, and then says it again.  WTF.  
    Easy answer... socialism is the bumper sticker that describes the candidate to most... it's the same noose around Bernies neck... the bumper sticker isnt always a good thing, it can be a bad thing. 

    No matter what she does, or what Bernie does, the immediate label (bumper sticker) in most peoples heads applied to them will be "Socialist"

    Why do you think Trump gives opponents names mocking them? They are bumper stickers and they work. He's branding his oppenents, and it sticks. Just ask Pocahontas 

    Does anybody remember Hillary's policy platform? I dont, and i voted for her. That tells me most dont remember or never really knew. Her platform was "i'm not him".... but EVERYBODY remembers Crooked Hillary, and always will

    Almost immediately after the 2012 election Trump copyrighted "Make America Great Again"
    You still have not formulated any advice or strategy going forward. Are you saying that Dems should start creating abusive nicknames for opponents?  No thanks.  Should they lie 15 to 20 times in every speech?  No thanks.  It seems like you are saying that Trump's way is the right way forward for the Dems and I'm saying 'fuck that'.  MAGA worked...for a while.  So did "Tippecanoe and Tyler too" and "I Like Ike".  Slogans are great but there has to be a set of meaningful ideas behind them.  That's what I'm saying.  I don't hear you saying the same.  You are just blowing off actual governing.  
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,118
    my2hands said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dankind said:
    my2hands said:
    Pretty sure unsung is more focused on the democratic socialist thing than race and sex 

    Not everything is racism or sexism, good god

    Same reason fox has been focused on her, socialism is the boogeyman, not her race
    You seemed to be saying something somewhat opposite of this in previous posts.

    So which is it, man? Are people focused on policy or personality?


    It's exhausting trying to have a debate with someone who says something, disagrees with it when it's summarized, and then says it again.  WTF.  
    Easy answer... socialism is the bumper sticker that describes the candidate to most... it's the same noose around Bernies neck... the bumper sticker isnt always a good thing, it can be a bad thing. 

    No matter what she does, or what Bernie does, the immediate label (bumper sticker) in most peoples heads applied to them will be "Socialist"

    Why do you think Trump gives opponents names mocking them? They are bumper stickers and they work. He's branding his oppenents, and it sticks. Just ask Pocahontas 

    Does anybody remember Hillary's policy platform? I dont, and i voted for her. That tells me most dont remember or never really knew. Her platform was "i'm not him".... but EVERYBODY remembers Crooked Hillary, and always will

    Almost immediately after the 2012 election Trump copyrighted "Make America Great Again"
    Yep, we've gotten to a point where immature, uncreative, name-calling has become a sound political strategy. And heck, you can even do a complete 180 and it's okay. Ted Cruz was "Lyin' Ted", the son of the man that helped murder JFK, during the 2016 primary, and now he's a "tremendous Senator." 
    This has been going on before Trump, but this is definitely a VERY amplified version we are seeing, no doubt
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,118
    mrussel1 said:
    my2hands said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dankind said:
    my2hands said:
    Pretty sure unsung is more focused on the democratic socialist thing than race and sex 

    Not everything is racism or sexism, good god

    Same reason fox has been focused on her, socialism is the boogeyman, not her race
    You seemed to be saying something somewhat opposite of this in previous posts.

    So which is it, man? Are people focused on policy or personality?


    It's exhausting trying to have a debate with someone who says something, disagrees with it when it's summarized, and then says it again.  WTF.  
    Easy answer... socialism is the bumper sticker that describes the candidate to most... it's the same noose around Bernies neck... the bumper sticker isnt always a good thing, it can be a bad thing. 

    No matter what she does, or what Bernie does, the immediate label (bumper sticker) in most peoples heads applied to them will be "Socialist"

    Why do you think Trump gives opponents names mocking them? They are bumper stickers and they work. He's branding his oppenents, and it sticks. Just ask Pocahontas 

    Does anybody remember Hillary's policy platform? I dont, and i voted for her. That tells me most dont remember or never really knew. Her platform was "i'm not him".... but EVERYBODY remembers Crooked Hillary, and always will

    Almost immediately after the 2012 election Trump copyrighted "Make America Great Again"
    You still have not formulated any advice or strategy going forward. Are you saying that Dems should start creating abusive nicknames for opponents?  No thanks.  Should they lie 15 to 20 times in every speech?  No thanks.  It seems like you are saying that Trump's way is the right way forward for the Dems and I'm saying 'fuck that'.  MAGA worked...for a while.  So did "Tippecanoe and Tyler too" and "I Like Ike".  Slogans are great but there has to be a set of meaningful ideas behind them.  That's what I'm saying.  I don't hear you saying the same.  You are just blowing off actual governing.  
    1. I did actually. But to be fair, thats not my job
    2. No
    3. No
    4. Not saying that at all, they would lose my support
    5. You're talking about governing, i'm talking about elections. 
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,118
    my2hands said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dankind said:
    my2hands said:
    Pretty sure unsung is more focused on the democratic socialist thing than race and sex 

    Not everything is racism or sexism, good god

    Same reason fox has been focused on her, socialism is the boogeyman, not her race
    You seemed to be saying something somewhat opposite of this in previous posts.

    So which is it, man? Are people focused on policy or personality?


    It's exhausting trying to have a debate with someone who says something, disagrees with it when it's summarized, and then says it again.  WTF.  
    Easy answer... socialism is the bumper sticker that describes the candidate to most... it's the same noose around Bernies neck... the bumper sticker isnt always a good thing, it can be a bad thing. 

    No matter what she does, or what Bernie does, the immediate label (bumper sticker) in most peoples heads applied to them will be "Socialist"

    Why do you think Trump gives opponents names mocking them? They are bumper stickers and they work. He's branding his oppenents, and it sticks. Just ask Pocahontas 

    Does anybody remember Hillary's policy platform? I dont, and i voted for her. That tells me most dont remember or never really knew. Her platform was "i'm not him".... but EVERYBODY remembers Crooked Hillary, and always will

    Almost immediately after the 2012 election Trump copyrighted "Make America Great Again"
    But memes and putin on the ritz’s social media blitz didn’t work?
    Fair point Watson, but it doesnt fly when black voter turnout dropped 7% and union household support in the midwest crateted and flipped. 

    Here is where policy worked. Trumps stance on NAFTA is likely why that midwestern union support flipped, and his auto and steel tarrifs are why he will he hard to beat in the region in 2020

    Nothing is an absolute 


  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,972
    my2hands said:
    mrussel1 said:
    my2hands said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dankind said:
    my2hands said:
    Pretty sure unsung is more focused on the democratic socialist thing than race and sex 

    Not everything is racism or sexism, good god

    Same reason fox has been focused on her, socialism is the boogeyman, not her race
    You seemed to be saying something somewhat opposite of this in previous posts.

    So which is it, man? Are people focused on policy or personality?


    It's exhausting trying to have a debate with someone who says something, disagrees with it when it's summarized, and then says it again.  WTF.  
    Easy answer... socialism is the bumper sticker that describes the candidate to most... it's the same noose around Bernies neck... the bumper sticker isnt always a good thing, it can be a bad thing. 

    No matter what she does, or what Bernie does, the immediate label (bumper sticker) in most peoples heads applied to them will be "Socialist"

    Why do you think Trump gives opponents names mocking them? They are bumper stickers and they work. He's branding his oppenents, and it sticks. Just ask Pocahontas 

    Does anybody remember Hillary's policy platform? I dont, and i voted for her. That tells me most dont remember or never really knew. Her platform was "i'm not him".... but EVERYBODY remembers Crooked Hillary, and always will

    Almost immediately after the 2012 election Trump copyrighted "Make America Great Again"
    You still have not formulated any advice or strategy going forward. Are you saying that Dems should start creating abusive nicknames for opponents?  No thanks.  Should they lie 15 to 20 times in every speech?  No thanks.  It seems like you are saying that Trump's way is the right way forward for the Dems and I'm saying 'fuck that'.  MAGA worked...for a while.  So did "Tippecanoe and Tyler too" and "I Like Ike".  Slogans are great but there has to be a set of meaningful ideas behind them.  That's what I'm saying.  I don't hear you saying the same.  You are just blowing off actual governing.  
    1. I did actually. But to be fair, thats not my job
    2. No
    3. No
    4. Not saying that at all, they would lose my support
    5. You're talking about governing, i'm talking about elections. 
    It also isn't your job to 'analyze' why they lost by 10k votes in Michigan, but you took that upon yourself.  Curious why you stopped there.  
    I don't mean to be disparaging here but it's going to come across that way, so I apologize in advance.  

    No shit they lost blue collar workers.  It doesn't take an election genius to figure that out.  It's much more difficult to figure out what would bring them back into the fold, and if the Democrats are willing to take those steps.  
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 16,287
    edited November 2018
    unsung said:
    The next two years are going to have great comedic value.
    Go help Trump with his umbrella and show him some of your memes mocking sexual assault victims instead.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,483

    In at least three states, Republicans lost the popular vote but won the House


    Majorities of voters in at least three battleground states — Pennsylvania, Michigan and North Carolina — chose a Democrat to represent them in the state’s House of Representatives. Yet in all three states, Republicans maintained majority control over the chamber despite winning only a minority of votes.





    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/13/least-three-states-republicans-lost-popular-vote-won-house/?utm_term=.2590dc03b7e1
  • dignindignin Posts: 7,483

    Democrats’ blue wave was much larger than early takes suggested

    With all votes counted, it’s a larger landslide than 1994 or 2010.



    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/13/18082490/blue-wave

    This is interesting.


  • njnancynjnancy Northern New JerseyPosts: 4,916
    dignin said:

    Democrats’ blue wave was much larger than early takes suggested

    With all votes counted, it’s a larger landslide than 1994 or 2010.



    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/13/18082490/blue-wave

    This is interesting.


    This was very interesting. Thanks for posting. Nate Silver is a nerd god.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,118
    That is awesome, and a good start
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Young Kim isn't there.  Simple mistake, I am sure.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,972
    unsung said:
    Young Kim isn't there.  Simple mistake, I am sure.
    She hasn't been declared a winner, right?  The race is uncalled, but nice try.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,972
    Harder wins in CA last night, so yet another pickup.  Mimi Walters is likely to go down too. 
    The Republicans have lost Orange County for God's sake.  
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Nothing is going to change.
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