Kavanaugh

Spiritual_Chaos

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

If he gets through, then @mcgruff10 and @unsung and whoever had to sell their Bruce albums can never again try to argue that the US  belong even in the discussion about the greatest countries in the world.

And that is even with Unsung even having no problems mocking Sexual Assault victims. The US is done. It's over. No trophy for you.

Lindsey Graham and the Swinging Swampers orchestra.

I don't own any Bruce albums but I'd be happy to use Kiss albums as target practice.  

Well.... You pull the trigger of myyyyyyyyyyyy

mcgruff10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

If he gets through, then @mcgruff10 and @unsung and whoever had to sell their Bruce albums can never again try to argue that the US  belong even in the discussion about the greatest countries in the world.

And that is even with Unsung even having no problems mocking Sexual Assault victims. The US is done. It's over. No trophy for you.

Lindsey Graham and the Swinging Swampers orchestra.

I don't own any Bruce albums but I'd be happy to use Kiss albums as target practice.  

Well.... You pull the trigger of myyyyyyyyyyyy

lol.  Well played.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

If he gets through, then @mcgruff10 and @unsung and whoever had to sell their Bruce albums can never again try to argue that the US  belong even in the discussion about the greatest countries in the world.

And that is even with Unsung even having no problems mocking Sexual Assault victims. The US is done. It's over. No trophy for you.

Lindsey Graham and the Swinging Swampers orchestra.

I don't own any Bruce albums but I'd be happy to use Kiss albums as target practice.  

Lol, why waste the bullet on a Kiss album?  Just throw it in the trash

Bullets are cheaper than the caloric expenditure necessary to throw a Kiss album in the trash (gotta keep those guns firing I reckon!).

The caloric expenditure would obviously be more to shoot it and then throw the pieces away individually...unless you just leave them laying on the ground...which would be fine as well
 since it is a KISS album.

Anything after Love Gun can be thrown on the ground and I wouldn't lose any sleep. I really like earlier Kiss.

I bet Kav is a KISS fan...just saying, lol.  I really have no qualms with KISS and like some of their songs as well, but I do find their theatricals a bit over the top for my liking.  

Wow.

You had to hit below the belt, eh? I'm going to work now, but rest assured I'll be thinking of a wicked insult for you. It's going to be extra special.

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

If he gets through, then @mcgruff10 and @unsung and whoever had to sell their Bruce albums can never again try to argue that the US  belong even in the discussion about the greatest countries in the world.

And that is even with Unsung even having no problems mocking Sexual Assault victims. The US is done. It's over. No trophy for you.

Lindsey Graham and the Swinging Swampers orchestra.

I don't own any Bruce albums but I'd be happy to use Kiss albums as target practice.  

Lol, why waste the bullet on a Kiss album?  Just throw it in the trash

Bullets are cheaper than the caloric expenditure necessary to throw a Kiss album in the trash (gotta keep those guns firing I reckon!).

The caloric expenditure would obviously be more to shoot it and then throw the pieces away individually...unless you just leave them laying on the ground...which would be fine as well
 since it is a KISS album.

Anything after Love Gun can be thrown on the ground and I wouldn't lose any sleep. I really like earlier Kiss.

I bet Kav is a KISS fan...just saying, lol.  I really have no qualms with KISS and like some of their songs as well, but I do find their theatricals a bit over the top for my liking.  

Wow.

You had to hit below the belt, eh? I'm going to work now, but rest assured I'll be thinking of a wicked insult for you. It's going to be extra special.

Kiss is just terrible.  Rush, Journey and Kiss are my three most hated bands.  

PJPOWER

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

If he gets through, then @mcgruff10 and @unsung and whoever had to sell their Bruce albums can never again try to argue that the US  belong even in the discussion about the greatest countries in the world.

And that is even with Unsung even having no problems mocking Sexual Assault victims. The US is done. It's over. No trophy for you.

Lindsey Graham and the Swinging Swampers orchestra.

I don't own any Bruce albums but I'd be happy to use Kiss albums as target practice.  

Lol, why waste the bullet on a Kiss album?  Just throw it in the trash

Bullets are cheaper than the caloric expenditure necessary to throw a Kiss album in the trash (gotta keep those guns firing I reckon!).

The caloric expenditure would obviously be more to shoot it and then throw the pieces away individually...unless you just leave them laying on the ground...which would be fine as well
 since it is a KISS album.

Anything after Love Gun can be thrown on the ground and I wouldn't lose any sleep. I really like earlier Kiss.

I bet Kav is a KISS fan...just saying, lol.  I really have no qualms with KISS and like some of their songs as well, but I do find their theatricals a bit over the top for my liking.  

Wow.

You had to hit below the belt, eh? I'm going to work now, but rest assured I'll be thinking of a wicked insult for you. It's going to be extra special.

Lol . Don’t work to hard!

tempo_n_groove

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

If he gets through, then @mcgruff10 and @unsung and whoever had to sell their Bruce albums can never again try to argue that the US  belong even in the discussion about the greatest countries in the world.

And that is even with Unsung even having no problems mocking Sexual Assault victims. The US is done. It's over. No trophy for you.

Lindsey Graham and the Swinging Swampers orchestra.

I don't own any Bruce albums but I'd be happy to use Kiss albums as target practice.  

Lol, why waste the bullet on a Kiss album?  Just throw it in the trash

Bullets are cheaper than the caloric expenditure necessary to throw a Kiss album in the trash (gotta keep those guns firing I reckon!).

The caloric expenditure would obviously be more to shoot it and then throw the pieces away individually...unless you just leave them laying on the ground...which would be fine as well
 since it is a KISS album.

Anything after Love Gun can be thrown on the ground and I wouldn't lose any sleep. I really like earlier Kiss.

I bet Kav is a KISS fan...just saying, lol.  I really have no qualms with KISS and like some of their songs as well, but I do find their theatricals a bit over the top for my liking.  

Wow.

You had to hit below the belt, eh? I'm going to work now, but rest assured I'll be thinking of a wicked insult for you. It's going to be extra special.

Kiss is just terrible.  Rush, Journey and Kiss are my three most hated bands.  

Give Destroyer a chance.  Great album.

tempo_n_groove

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Listened to an NPR interview this morning with Missy Carr defending Kavanaugh.  The interview shows that if you are left thinking Kavanaugh is a liar and if you are on the right Ford is a liar.

No matter which way this goes, the conspiracy theorists will be out in force.

I don't subscribe to some of the crazy on the right, but how is Kavanaugh not a liar?

I'll flip it for you as I hear both sides of the coin and this is what A Kavanaugh defender says.

How is she not?  Fear of flying, second door in the house, What house, how'd she get home, doesn't remember how she got there, the former boyfriend just came out with a statement that attacks her credibility.

Spiritual_Chaos

tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

If he gets through, then @mcgruff10 and @unsung and whoever had to sell their Bruce albums can never again try to argue that the US  belong even in the discussion about the greatest countries in the world.

And that is even with Unsung even having no problems mocking Sexual Assault victims. The US is done. It's over. No trophy for you.

Lindsey Graham and the Swinging Swampers orchestra.

I don't own any Bruce albums but I'd be happy to use Kiss albums as target practice.  

Lol, why waste the bullet on a Kiss album?  Just throw it in the trash

Bullets are cheaper than the caloric expenditure necessary to throw a Kiss album in the trash (gotta keep those guns firing I reckon!).

The caloric expenditure would obviously be more to shoot it and then throw the pieces away individually...unless you just leave them laying on the ground...which would be fine as well
 since it is a KISS album.

Anything after Love Gun can be thrown on the ground and I wouldn't lose any sleep. I really like earlier Kiss.

I bet Kav is a KISS fan...just saying, lol.  I really have no qualms with KISS and like some of their songs as well, but I do find their theatricals a bit over the top for my liking.  

Wow.

You had to hit below the belt, eh? I'm going to work now, but rest assured I'll be thinking of a wicked insult for you. It's going to be extra special.

Kiss is just terrible.  Rush, Journey and Kiss are my three most hated bands.  

Give Destroyer a chance.  Great album.

NO. Its middle of the road. 

The garagey Debut, the rough Hotter than Hell and the super-produced Dynasty and Unmasked.

Fo sho

Spiritual_Chaos

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

If he gets through, then @mcgruff10 and @unsung and whoever had to sell their Bruce albums can never again try to argue that the US  belong even in the discussion about the greatest countries in the world.

And that is even with Unsung even having no problems mocking Sexual Assault victims. The US is done. It's over. No trophy for you.

Lindsey Graham and the Swinging Swampers orchestra.

I don't own any Bruce albums but I'd be happy to use Kiss albums as target practice.  

Lol, why waste the bullet on a Kiss album?  Just throw it in the trash

Bullets are cheaper than the caloric expenditure necessary to throw a Kiss album in the trash (gotta keep those guns firing I reckon!).

The caloric expenditure would obviously be more to shoot it and then throw the pieces away individually...unless you just leave them laying on the ground...which would be fine as well
 since it is a KISS album.

Anything after Love Gun can be thrown on the ground and I wouldn't lose any sleep. I really like earlier Kiss.

I bet Kav is a KISS fan...just saying, lol.  I really have no qualms with KISS and like some of their songs as well, but I do find their theatricals a bit over the top for my liking.  

Ofc he is. KISS is a very pro-gun, pro-U-S-A, trump inauguration playing kind of band. Up your alley. I know you're down in your man cave listening to KISS chugging down Bud Lights. WE ALL KNOW IT.

mfc2006

This "investigation" is a fucking joke. It was rushed and beyond limited. Key witnesses were not interviewed. I am truly appalled. 

OnWis97

cincybearcat said:

EdsonNascimento said:

And for the record, I actually don't agree with some of Kavanaugh's stances.   And I have no idea if Ford is telling the truth.

But, that's irrelevant. That's the point.  Everyone is just presuming the reality they want.  

It's ok to voice displeasure over his judicial decisions.  It's ok to support Ford (or Kavanaugh).  But, both sides are creating realities that just don't exist.  That's the problem with our politics, and why while the way it's delivered could be better, Trump has a point about the media.  They are not helping the situation (on either side) by being op-ed pieces masquerading as factual news.  Just give us the facts, not slanted headlines. Let us decide.

The real problem is neither side is interested in facts and reality. But the republicans in this case are the ones who control whether we get to the facts and reality, so this is on them. There is NO reason a vote needs to happen so soon. There is no reason not to investigate longer and take their time. Other than political reasons if course. 

I suppose Feinstein deserves some of the blame here keeping it so long. But that doesn’t matter. We still have a chance for the right thing to be done. 

Actually there is:
Gamble vs. United States.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-gamble-court-case/

Let's unbalance the checks and balances as much as we can.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mfc2006 said:

This "investigation" is a fucking joke. It was rushed and beyond limited. Key witnesses were not interviewed. I am truly appalled. 

Hey. Stick with the Kiss theme.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

If he gets through, then @mcgruff10 and @unsung and whoever had to sell their Bruce albums can never again try to argue that the US  belong even in the discussion about the greatest countries in the world.

And that is even with Unsung even having no problems mocking Sexual Assault victims. The US is done. It's over. No trophy for you.

Lindsey Graham and the Swinging Swampers orchestra.

I don't own any Bruce albums but I'd be happy to use Kiss albums as target practice.  

Lol, why waste the bullet on a Kiss album?  Just throw it in the trash

Bullets are cheaper than the caloric expenditure necessary to throw a Kiss album in the trash (gotta keep those guns firing I reckon!).

The caloric expenditure would obviously be more to shoot it and then throw the pieces away individually...unless you just leave them laying on the ground...which would be fine as well
 since it is a KISS album.

Anything after Love Gun can be thrown on the ground and I wouldn't lose any sleep. I really like earlier Kiss.

I bet Kav is a KISS fan...just saying, lol.  I really have no qualms with KISS and like some of their songs as well, but I do find their theatricals a bit over the top for my liking.  

Wow.

You had to hit below the belt, eh? I'm going to work now, but rest assured I'll be thinking of a wicked insult for you. It's going to be extra special.

Lol . Don’t work to hard!

Screw it. I couldn't think of anything groovy.

EdsonNascimento

EdsonNascimento said:

And for the record, I actually don't agree with some of Kavanaugh's stances.   And I have no idea if Ford is telling the truth.

But, that's irrelevant. That's the point.  Everyone is just presuming the reality they want.  

It's ok to voice displeasure over his judicial decisions.  It's ok to support Ford (or Kavanaugh).  But, both sides are creating realities that just don't exist.  That's the problem with our politics, and why while the way it's delivered could be better, Trump has a point about the media.  They are not helping the situation (on either side) by being op-ed pieces masquerading as factual news.  Just give us the facts, not slanted headlines. Let us decide.

As an example, the way the news reports:

 Senators got a chance Thursday morning to learn the results of a quick, limited FBI investigation into sexual misconduct accusations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, a day before a crucial test vote on his confirmation.

The way an objective report should be:

 Senators got a chance Thursday morning to learn the results of a 3 day FBI investigation into sexual misconduct accusations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh that included interviews with 10 people related to 2 of the accusations, a day before a crucial test vote on his confirmation.


Then I can make up my mind that it was quick and limited.  Why is the reporter telling me their opinion? It's not an opinion piece.

EdsonNascimento

dignin said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Asterisk on the Street said:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/03/opinion/kavanaugh-law-professors-letter.html

The Senate Should Not Confirm Kavanaugh Signed, 1,000+ Law Professors (and Counting)

OCT. 3, 2018

The following letter will be presented to the United States Senate on Oct. 4. It will be updated as more signatures are received.

Judicial temperament is one of the most important qualities of a judge. As the Congressional Research Service explains, a judge requires “a personality that is even-handed, unbiased, impartial, courteous yet firm, and dedicated to a process, not a result.” The concern for judicial temperament dates back to our founding; in Federalist 78, titled “Judges as Guardians of the Constitution,” Alexander Hamilton expressed the need for “the integrity and moderation of the judiciary.”

We are law professors who teach, research and write about the judicial institutions of this country. Many of us appear in state and federal court, and our work means that we will continue to do so, including before the United States Supreme Court. We regret that we feel compelled to write to you, our Senators, to provide our views that at the Senate hearings on Sept. 27, Judge Brett Kavanaugh displayed a lack of judicial temperament that would be disqualifying for any court, and certainly for elevation to the highest court of this land.

The question at issue was of course painful for anyone. But Judge Kavanaugh exhibited a lack of commitment to judicious inquiry. Instead of being open to the necessary search for accuracy, Judge Kavanaugh was repeatedly aggressive with questioners. Even in his prepared remarks, Judge Kavanaugh described the hearing as partisan, referring to it as “a calculated and orchestrated political hit,” rather than acknowledging the need for the Senate, faced with new information, to try to understand what had transpired. Instead of trying to sort out with reason and care the allegations that were raised, Judge Kavanaugh responded in an intemperate, inflammatory and partial manner, as he interrupted and, at times, was discourteous to senators.

As you know, under two statutes governing bias and recusal, judges must step aside if they are at risk of being perceived as or of being unfair. As Congress has previously put it, a judge or justice “shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.” These statutes are part of a myriad of legal commitments to the impartiality of the judiciary, which is the cornerstone of the courts.

We have differing views about the other qualifications of Judge Kavanaugh. But we are united, as professors of law and scholars of judicial institutions, in believing that he did not display the impartiality and judicial temperament requisite to sit on the highest court of our land.

Signed, with institutional affiliation listed for identification purposes only, by the following:

See link for the list of over 1000 Law Professors.

One word: Professors.

Lol.  Too funny.  Like anyone should care what academics that couldn't cut it in the real world say.  

Hey look! We got a real genuine Trump voter right here!

Say it with me now, dumb is good.....smart bad!

Since you're so smart, where did I say that?  Too funny.

The problem is the Libs think they're smarter than everyone else.  Don't worry, keep thinking that. That's why we're all laughing at you.  

tbergs

tempo_n_groove said:

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Listened to an NPR interview this morning with Missy Carr defending Kavanaugh.  The interview shows that if you are left thinking Kavanaugh is a liar and if you are on the right Ford is a liar.

No matter which way this goes, the conspiracy theorists will be out in force.

I don't subscribe to some of the crazy on the right, but how is Kavanaugh not a liar?

I'll flip it for you as I hear both sides of the coin and this is what A Kavanaugh defender says.

How is she not?  Fear of flying, second door in the house, What house, how'd she get home, doesn't remember how she got there, the former boyfriend just came out with a statement that attacks her credibility.

That's all fine and dandy, but put aside this whole claim of assault and examine the lies told by BK about everything else he did back in the day. Poking holes in her account of the sexual assault doesn't change any of that stupid shit he lied about, but if he was honest about those things it paints a completely different picture of who he was at that time and gives her story that much more validity, which he knows. He's an arrogant jackass. I can only imagine that people who still want him confirmed are only doing so because they agree with his viewpoints that may push the court to overturn certain cases. I don't care what beliefs he or any other justice have, but if they have no integrity and can't be trusted to fairly hear cases, they don't belong on the bench, period.

Spiritual_Chaos

Chuck speaking from the senate floor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcaxRjhxelk

Spiritual_Chaos

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mfc2006 said:

This "investigation" is a fucking joke. It was rushed and beyond limited. Key witnesses were not interviewed. I am truly appalled. 

Hey. Stick with the Kiss theme.

Are you talking about the Love theme from KISS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNO9IQfh8GI

Spiritual_Chaos

EdsonNascimento said:

EdsonNascimento said:

And for the record, I actually don't agree with some of Kavanaugh's stances.   And I have no idea if Ford is telling the truth.

But, that's irrelevant. That's the point.  Everyone is just presuming the reality they want.  

It's ok to voice displeasure over his judicial decisions.  It's ok to support Ford (or Kavanaugh).  But, both sides are creating realities that just don't exist.  That's the problem with our politics, and why while the way it's delivered could be better, Trump has a point about the media.  They are not helping the situation (on either side) by being op-ed pieces masquerading as factual news.  Just give us the facts, not slanted headlines. Let us decide.

As an example, the way the news reports:

 Senators got a chance Thursday morning to learn the results of a quick, limited FBI investigation into sexual misconduct accusations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, a day before a crucial test vote on his confirmation.

The way an objective report should be:

 Senators got a chance Thursday morning to learn the results of a 3 day FBI investigation into sexual misconduct accusations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh that included interviews with 10 people related to 2 of the accusations, a day before a crucial test vote on his confirmation.


Then I can make up my mind that it was quick and limited.  Why is the reporter telling me their opinion? It's not an opinion piece.

How could they even decide "the FBI get a week FROM NOW!!" instead of "We will have the FBI come back with an idea of the time they need to cover this"

Why didn't journalists ask about that?

dignin

EdsonNascimento said:

dignin said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Asterisk on the Street said:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/03/opinion/kavanaugh-law-professors-letter.html

The Senate Should Not Confirm Kavanaugh Signed, 1,000+ Law Professors (and Counting)

OCT. 3, 2018

The following letter will be presented to the United States Senate on Oct. 4. It will be updated as more signatures are received.

Judicial temperament is one of the most important qualities of a judge. As the Congressional Research Service explains, a judge requires “a personality that is even-handed, unbiased, impartial, courteous yet firm, and dedicated to a process, not a result.” The concern for judicial temperament dates back to our founding; in Federalist 78, titled “Judges as Guardians of the Constitution,” Alexander Hamilton expressed the need for “the integrity and moderation of the judiciary.”

We are law professors who teach, research and write about the judicial institutions of this country. Many of us appear in state and federal court, and our work means that we will continue to do so, including before the United States Supreme Court. We regret that we feel compelled to write to you, our Senators, to provide our views that at the Senate hearings on Sept. 27, Judge Brett Kavanaugh displayed a lack of judicial temperament that would be disqualifying for any court, and certainly for elevation to the highest court of this land.

The question at issue was of course painful for anyone. But Judge Kavanaugh exhibited a lack of commitment to judicious inquiry. Instead of being open to the necessary search for accuracy, Judge Kavanaugh was repeatedly aggressive with questioners. Even in his prepared remarks, Judge Kavanaugh described the hearing as partisan, referring to it as “a calculated and orchestrated political hit,” rather than acknowledging the need for the Senate, faced with new information, to try to understand what had transpired. Instead of trying to sort out with reason and care the allegations that were raised, Judge Kavanaugh responded in an intemperate, inflammatory and partial manner, as he interrupted and, at times, was discourteous to senators.

As you know, under two statutes governing bias and recusal, judges must step aside if they are at risk of being perceived as or of being unfair. As Congress has previously put it, a judge or justice “shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.” These statutes are part of a myriad of legal commitments to the impartiality of the judiciary, which is the cornerstone of the courts.

We have differing views about the other qualifications of Judge Kavanaugh. But we are united, as professors of law and scholars of judicial institutions, in believing that he did not display the impartiality and judicial temperament requisite to sit on the highest court of our land.

Signed, with institutional affiliation listed for identification purposes only, by the following:

See link for the list of over 1000 Law Professors.

One word: Professors.

Lol.  Too funny.  Like anyone should care what academics that couldn't cut it in the real world say.  

Hey look! We got a real genuine Trump voter right here!

Say it with me now, dumb is good.....smart bad!

Since you're so smart, where did I say that?  Too funny.

The problem is the Libs think they're smarter than everyone else.  Don't worry, keep thinking that. That's why we're all laughing at you.  

 


You probably think the UN was laughing with Trump too.