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The age of Trump.CM189191 said:
Something something lib'rul media something something fake news something something facts and book learning is fer coastal elites something somethingdignin said:
When people can say stupid stuff like this and think they have a valid point.
"One word: Professors. Lol. Too funny. Like anyone should care what academics that couldn't cut it in the real world say."0 -
Burn your books! Close the schools! We don't need no....dignin said:
The age of Trump.CM189191 said:
Something something lib'rul media something something fake news something something facts and book learning is fer coastal elites something somethingdignin said:
When people can say stupid stuff like this and think they have a valid point.
"One word: Professors. Lol. Too funny. Like anyone should care what academics that couldn't cut it in the real world say."It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Find me one news messenger who's delivered an impartial message on any side (at any point in history).EdsonNascimento said:
As an example, the way the news reports:EdsonNascimento said:And for the record, I actually don't agree with some of Kavanaugh's stances. And I have no idea if Ford is telling the truth.
But, that's irrelevant. That's the point. Everyone is just presuming the reality they want.
It's ok to voice displeasure over his judicial decisions. It's ok to support Ford (or Kavanaugh). But, both sides are creating realities that just don't exist. That's the problem with our politics, and why while the way it's delivered could be better, Trump has a point about the media. They are not helping the situation (on either side) by being op-ed pieces masquerading as factual news. Just give us the facts, not slanted headlines. Let us decide.
Senators got a chance Thursday morning to learn the results of a quick, limited FBI investigation into sexual misconduct accusations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, a day before a crucial test vote on his confirmation.
The way an objective report should be:
Senators got a chance Thursday morning to learn the results of a 3 day FBI investigation into sexual misconduct accusations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh that included interviews with 10 people related to 2 of the accusations, a day before a crucial test vote on his confirmation.
Then I can make up my mind that it was quick and limited. Why is the reporter telling me their opinion? It's not an opinion piece.
This is just another structural problem in America. You are asking for ethics from people whose ethical behaviour negatively impacts their objectives - whether that's a politician collecting from lobbyists, or a media conglomerate recognizing an epidemic of seeking like opinions to reinforce bias (whether correct or not).
These are the groups we have relinquished power to, as we've collectively fought diversity of thought so we could be right instead of righteous. An honest question for anyone reading this, how the fuck do you have faith that we aren't collectively doomed?
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tbergs said:
Burn your books! Close the schools! We don't need no....dignin said:
The age of Trump.CM189191 said:
Something something lib'rul media something something fake news something something facts and book learning is fer coastal elites something somethingdignin said:
When people can say stupid stuff like this and think they have a valid point.
"One word: Professors. Lol. Too funny. Like anyone should care what academics that couldn't cut it in the real world say."Beware of any groups that vilify academia or higher learning.
It's almost as if no one has learned anything from history.0 -
Yeah, and while we're at it, let's throw some gas on stay at home parents. Just fucking losers who can't get a job.Merkin Baller said:tbergs said:
Burn your books! Close the schools! We don't need no....dignin said:
The age of Trump.CM189191 said:
Something something lib'rul media something something fake news something something facts and book learning is fer coastal elites something somethingdignin said:
When people can say stupid stuff like this and think they have a valid point.
"One word: Professors. Lol. Too funny. Like anyone should care what academics that couldn't cut it in the real world say."Beware of any groups that vilify academia or higher learning.
It's almost as if no one has learned anything from history.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Oh!!! Now I get it. I'm going to drink the coffee and then pee out the fire finally doing my final revenge on all fire hydrants. It's wet as wet can be.dignin said:
Look at it for a little bit longer, I'm sure in time you can get it. People may think I'm wasting my time thinking a Trump supporter could figure it out, but I'm a glass half full kinda guy.EdsonNascimento said:
Wait. Wait. Wait. I like these types of response. So, am I dog and my house is on fire? On the other hand - I AM a dog that can both sit like a human in a chair, apparently drink coffee AND speak!!!! Can the libs do that?dignin said:EdsonNascimento said:
Since you're so smart, where did I say that? Too funny.dignin said:
Hey look! We got a real genuine Trump voter right here!EdsonNascimento said:
One word: Professors.Asterisk on the Street said:The Senate Should Not Confirm Kavanaugh Signed, 1,000+ Law Professors (and Counting)OCT. 3, 2018
The following letter will be presented to the United States Senate on Oct. 4. It will be updated as more signatures are received.
Judicial temperament is one of the most important qualities of a judge. As the Congressional Research Service explains, a judge requires “a personality that is even-handed, unbiased, impartial, courteous yet firm, and dedicated to a process, not a result.” The concern for judicial temperament dates back to our founding; in Federalist 78, titled “Judges as Guardians of the Constitution,” Alexander Hamilton expressed the need for “the integrity and moderation of the judiciary.”
We are law professors who teach, research and write about the judicial institutions of this country. Many of us appear in state and federal court, and our work means that we will continue to do so, including before the United States Supreme Court. We regret that we feel compelled to write to you, our Senators, to provide our views that at the Senate hearings on Sept. 27, Judge Brett Kavanaugh displayed a lack of judicial temperament that would be disqualifying for any court, and certainly for elevation to the highest court of this land.
The question at issue was of course painful for anyone. But Judge Kavanaugh exhibited a lack of commitment to judicious inquiry. Instead of being open to the necessary search for accuracy, Judge Kavanaugh was repeatedly aggressive with questioners. Even in his prepared remarks, Judge Kavanaugh described the hearing as partisan, referring to it as “a calculated and orchestrated political hit,” rather than acknowledging the need for the Senate, faced with new information, to try to understand what had transpired. Instead of trying to sort out with reason and care the allegations that were raised, Judge Kavanaugh responded in an intemperate, inflammatory and partial manner, as he interrupted and, at times, was discourteous to senators.
As you know, under two statutes governing bias and recusal, judges must step aside if they are at risk of being perceived as or of being unfair. As Congress has previously put it, a judge or justice “shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.” These statutes are part of a myriad of legal commitments to the impartiality of the judiciary, which is the cornerstone of the courts.
We have differing views about the other qualifications of Judge Kavanaugh. But we are united, as professors of law and scholars of judicial institutions, in believing that he did not display the impartiality and judicial temperament requisite to sit on the highest court of our land.
Signed, with institutional affiliation listed for identification purposes only, by the following:
See link for the list of over 1000 Law Professors.
Lol. Too funny. Like anyone should care what academics that couldn't cut it in the real world say.
Say it with me now, dumb is good.....smart bad!
The problem is the Libs think they're smarter than everyone else. Don't worry, keep thinking that. That's why we're all laughing at you.
You probably think the UN was laughing with Trump too.
And who cares what the UN does? Does anyone really think it has any import other than giving Foreign Nationals an opportunity to visit and flout NYC parking laws?‘one of the wettest we’ve ever seen from the standpoint of water’ - The guy you voted for
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You guys are so easy. Ummm. I know the history of the UN. I also know it's ACTUAL power. As in none. It prevents nothing. As witnessed by the numerous wars and such that have happened since.CM189191 said:EdsonNascimento said:
Wait. Wait. Wait. I like these types of response. So, am I dog and my house is on fire? On the other hand - I AM a dog that can both sit like a human in a chair, apparently drink coffee AND speak!!!! Can the libs do that?dignin said:EdsonNascimento said:
Since you're so smart, where did I say that? Too funny.dignin said:
Hey look! We got a real genuine Trump voter right here!EdsonNascimento said:
One word: Professors.Asterisk on the Street said:The Senate Should Not Confirm Kavanaugh Signed, 1,000+ Law Professors (and Counting)OCT. 3, 2018
The following letter will be presented to the United States Senate on Oct. 4. It will be updated as more signatures are received.
Judicial temperament is one of the most important qualities of a judge. As the Congressional Research Service explains, a judge requires “a personality that is even-handed, unbiased, impartial, courteous yet firm, and dedicated to a process, not a result.” The concern for judicial temperament dates back to our founding; in Federalist 78, titled “Judges as Guardians of the Constitution,” Alexander Hamilton expressed the need for “the integrity and moderation of the judiciary.”
We are law professors who teach, research and write about the judicial institutions of this country. Many of us appear in state and federal court, and our work means that we will continue to do so, including before the United States Supreme Court. We regret that we feel compelled to write to you, our Senators, to provide our views that at the Senate hearings on Sept. 27, Judge Brett Kavanaugh displayed a lack of judicial temperament that would be disqualifying for any court, and certainly for elevation to the highest court of this land.
The question at issue was of course painful for anyone. But Judge Kavanaugh exhibited a lack of commitment to judicious inquiry. Instead of being open to the necessary search for accuracy, Judge Kavanaugh was repeatedly aggressive with questioners. Even in his prepared remarks, Judge Kavanaugh described the hearing as partisan, referring to it as “a calculated and orchestrated political hit,” rather than acknowledging the need for the Senate, faced with new information, to try to understand what had transpired. Instead of trying to sort out with reason and care the allegations that were raised, Judge Kavanaugh responded in an intemperate, inflammatory and partial manner, as he interrupted and, at times, was discourteous to senators.
As you know, under two statutes governing bias and recusal, judges must step aside if they are at risk of being perceived as or of being unfair. As Congress has previously put it, a judge or justice “shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.” These statutes are part of a myriad of legal commitments to the impartiality of the judiciary, which is the cornerstone of the courts.
We have differing views about the other qualifications of Judge Kavanaugh. But we are united, as professors of law and scholars of judicial institutions, in believing that he did not display the impartiality and judicial temperament requisite to sit on the highest court of our land.
Signed, with institutional affiliation listed for identification purposes only, by the following:
See link for the list of over 1000 Law Professors.
Lol. Too funny. Like anyone should care what academics that couldn't cut it in the real world say.
Say it with me now, dumb is good.....smart bad!
The problem is the Libs think they're smarter than everyone else. Don't worry, keep thinking that. That's why we're all laughing at you.
You probably think the UN was laughing with Trump too.
And who cares what the UN does? Does anyone really think it has any import other than giving Foreign Nationals an opportunity to visit and flout NYC parking laws?
The organization was established on after World War II with the aim of preventing another such conflict?
That UN?
You're right, the analogy isn't accurate. If you were this dog, you're more likely to be in the corner licking your balls while the house burns down around you.
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You guys are so dramatic. It does not mean that at all. It means a lot of other things, but it does not mean that at all.josevolution said:https://apple.news/A_ytSzh3AQtqsHKLf-jK6BA
Yep they will confirm him tomorrow and this sends a clear sign to all women this president & senate don’t care at all if you get violated or sexually assaulted they just gave you a big middle finger to swallow with your lunch !Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
Sort of like Obama and the Democraps ramming through Obamacare that took Billions away from Medicare Beneficiaries AND increased costs of the healthcare system without letting anyone read the bill?CM189191 said:
Absolute power corrupts absolutelyGern Blansten said:I don't understand how repubs wouldn't flip based on Kavanaugh lying....he fucking lit up that hearingSorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
EdsonNascimento said:
Oh!!! Now I get it. I'm going to drink the coffee and then pee out the fire finally doing my final revenge on all fire hydrants. It's wet as wet can be.dignin said:
Look at it for a little bit longer, I'm sure in time you can get it. People may think I'm wasting my time thinking a Trump supporter could figure it out, but I'm a glass half full kinda guy.EdsonNascimento said:
Wait. Wait. Wait. I like these types of response. So, am I dog and my house is on fire? On the other hand - I AM a dog that can both sit like a human in a chair, apparently drink coffee AND speak!!!! Can the libs do that?dignin said:EdsonNascimento said:
Since you're so smart, where did I say that? Too funny.dignin said:
Hey look! We got a real genuine Trump voter right here!EdsonNascimento said:
One word: Professors.Asterisk on the Street said:The Senate Should Not Confirm Kavanaugh Signed, 1,000+ Law Professors (and Counting)OCT. 3, 2018
The following letter will be presented to the United States Senate on Oct. 4. It will be updated as more signatures are received.
Judicial temperament is one of the most important qualities of a judge. As the Congressional Research Service explains, a judge requires “a personality that is even-handed, unbiased, impartial, courteous yet firm, and dedicated to a process, not a result.” The concern for judicial temperament dates back to our founding; in Federalist 78, titled “Judges as Guardians of the Constitution,” Alexander Hamilton expressed the need for “the integrity and moderation of the judiciary.”
We are law professors who teach, research and write about the judicial institutions of this country. Many of us appear in state and federal court, and our work means that we will continue to do so, including before the United States Supreme Court. We regret that we feel compelled to write to you, our Senators, to provide our views that at the Senate hearings on Sept. 27, Judge Brett Kavanaugh displayed a lack of judicial temperament that would be disqualifying for any court, and certainly for elevation to the highest court of this land.
The question at issue was of course painful for anyone. But Judge Kavanaugh exhibited a lack of commitment to judicious inquiry. Instead of being open to the necessary search for accuracy, Judge Kavanaugh was repeatedly aggressive with questioners. Even in his prepared remarks, Judge Kavanaugh described the hearing as partisan, referring to it as “a calculated and orchestrated political hit,” rather than acknowledging the need for the Senate, faced with new information, to try to understand what had transpired. Instead of trying to sort out with reason and care the allegations that were raised, Judge Kavanaugh responded in an intemperate, inflammatory and partial manner, as he interrupted and, at times, was discourteous to senators.
As you know, under two statutes governing bias and recusal, judges must step aside if they are at risk of being perceived as or of being unfair. As Congress has previously put it, a judge or justice “shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.” These statutes are part of a myriad of legal commitments to the impartiality of the judiciary, which is the cornerstone of the courts.
We have differing views about the other qualifications of Judge Kavanaugh. But we are united, as professors of law and scholars of judicial institutions, in believing that he did not display the impartiality and judicial temperament requisite to sit on the highest court of our land.
Signed, with institutional affiliation listed for identification purposes only, by the following:
See link for the list of over 1000 Law Professors.
Lol. Too funny. Like anyone should care what academics that couldn't cut it in the real world say.
Say it with me now, dumb is good.....smart bad!
The problem is the Libs think they're smarter than everyone else. Don't worry, keep thinking that. That's why we're all laughing at you.
You probably think the UN was laughing with Trump too.
And who cares what the UN does? Does anyone really think it has any import other than giving Foreign Nationals an opportunity to visit and flout NYC parking laws?‘one of the wettest we’ve ever seen from the standpoint of water’ - The guy you voted for
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You guys might need to go back to school if you have a difficult time understanding what I was saying. It was nowhere close to what crazy extent you took it to.tbergs said:
Yeah, and while we're at it, let's throw some gas on stay at home parents. Just fucking losers who can't get a job.Merkin Baller said:tbergs said:
Burn your books! Close the schools! We don't need no....dignin said:
The age of Trump.CM189191 said:
Something something lib'rul media something something fake news something something facts and book learning is fer coastal elites something somethingdignin said:
When people can say stupid stuff like this and think they have a valid point.
"One word: Professors. Lol. Too funny. Like anyone should care what academics that couldn't cut it in the real world say."Beware of any groups that vilify academia or higher learning.
It's almost as if no one has learned anything from history.
Teachers teach. Doers do. Sometimes they cross, but often times those that take shelter in academia have a lot of non-real world applicable knowledge. And while they can teach us things, they can't actually apply things. That's for the doers. So, the fact that 1,000 liberal lawyers that take shelter in such bastions of impartiality as academia thinks or says something is completely nonsensical
Furthermore, I'll give you the bigger hint - how many lawyers are there? 1,000 saying something seems like there's a large amount NOT saying that.
Now, before your simpleness takes that to an extreme, no that does not mean the rest agree or don't agree. But, as many say about Trump's supporters - just because you're the loudest doesn't make you right. It just makes you the loudest.Post edited by EdsonNascimento onSorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
Oh. And sorry you lost. The beauty and genius of our framers is that you can now elect a Democrat House and Senate and in 2 years you can elect a Democrat President and you can continue to do so until the Court flips the way you want it. And the pendulum will continue to swing.
Honestly, I find the whole thing funny b/c this fight is really about abortion and choice which most people would agree with you on, yet you've somehow managed to make this a Constitutional fight that you are completely wrong about. You'd be better to voice that concern instead of the stupidity of the Democrats that plays right into Trump's hands in that he's diverted everyone's attention from the real issue.
So, for the record, if that was your argument, I'd agree with you. I hope choice stays in place. I actually believe it will b/c if the Supreme Court ever overturns Roe v Wade (which I actually believe they won't, but if they do), Congress will enact a STRONGER law to protect it while local courts put stays and other legal things in place to allow choice to continue until such a thing happens. Why? Because our framers are geniuses and created checks and balances and ways to shift power over time that makes sure the people's voices are heard even if there's times the pendulum swings too far one way at a particular time.
So, keep Trump in power by diverting from the issues and fighting battles not only can't you win but shouldn't.Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
Oh great, another one of thoseEdsonNascimento said:
Sort of like Obama and the Democraps ramming through Obamacare that took Billions away from Medicare Beneficiaries AND increased costs of the healthcare system without letting anyone read the bill?CM189191 said:
Absolute power corrupts absolutelyGern Blansten said:I don't understand how repubs wouldn't flip based on Kavanaugh lying....he fucking lit up that hearing
"I reject reality and substitute it with my own opinion"
tRUmp supporters...
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So it didn’t take Billions of dollars away from Medicare benificiaries? Is that the assertion you’d like to go with?CM189191 said:
Oh great, another one of thoseEdsonNascimento said:
Sort of like Obama and the Democraps ramming through Obamacare that took Billions away from Medicare Beneficiaries AND increased costs of the healthcare system without letting anyone read the bill?CM189191 said:
Absolute power corrupts absolutelyGern Blansten said:I don't understand how repubs wouldn't flip based on Kavanaugh lying....he fucking lit up that hearing
"I reject reality and substitute it with my own opinion"
tRUmp supporters...Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
In one 'whatabout' you managed to tell 4 falsehoods. Impressive.EdsonNascimento said:
So it didn’t take Billions of dollars away from Medicare benificiaries? Is that the assertion you’d like to go with?CM189191 said:
Oh great, another one of thoseEdsonNascimento said:
Sort of like Obama and the Democraps ramming through Obamacare that took Billions away from Medicare Beneficiaries AND increased costs of the healthcare system without letting anyone read the bill?CM189191 said:
Absolute power corrupts absolutelyGern Blansten said:I don't understand how repubs wouldn't flip based on Kavanaugh lying....he fucking lit up that hearing
"I reject reality and substitute it with my own opinion"
tRUmp supporters...
1) bill wasn't rammed thru - the ACA was debated in three House committees and two Senate committees, and subject to hours of bipartisan debate that allowed for the introduction of amendments
2) Obamacare cut $716 billion from Medicare in order to fund $1.9 trillion in new health care spending (I'll let you do the math on that one)
3) Health care costs are declining
4) the bill was read - In June and July 2009, with Democrats in charge, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over 13 days marking up the bill that became the Affordable Care Act. That September and October, the Senate Finance Committee worked on the legislation for eight days — its longest markup in two decades. It considered more than 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes. The full Senate debated the health care bill for 25 straight days before passing it on Dec. 24, 2009.
Also, you misspelled 'beneficiaries'. So are you lying or just willfully ignorant?0 -
Thank you. I didn’t have it in me.CM189191 said:
In one 'whatabout' you managed to tell 4 falsehoods. Impressive.EdsonNascimento said:
So it didn’t take Billions of dollars away from Medicare benificiaries? Is that the assertion you’d like to go with?CM189191 said:
Oh great, another one of thoseEdsonNascimento said:
Sort of like Obama and the Democraps ramming through Obamacare that took Billions away from Medicare Beneficiaries AND increased costs of the healthcare system without letting anyone read the bill?CM189191 said:
Absolute power corrupts absolutelyGern Blansten said:I don't understand how repubs wouldn't flip based on Kavanaugh lying....he fucking lit up that hearing
"I reject reality and substitute it with my own opinion"
tRUmp supporters...
1) bill wasn't rammed thru - the ACA was debated in three House committees and two Senate committees, and subject to hours of bipartisan debate that allowed for the introduction of amendments
2) Obamacare cut $716 billion from Medicare in order to fund $1.9 trillion in new health care spending (I'll let you do the math on that one)
3) Health care costs are declining
4) the bill was read - In June and July 2009, with Democrats in charge, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over 13 days marking up the bill that became the Affordable Care Act. That September and October, the Senate Finance Committee worked on the legislation for eight days — its longest markup in two decades. It considered more than 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes. The full Senate debated the health care bill for 25 straight days before passing it on Dec. 24, 2009.
Also, you misspelled 'beneficiaries'. So are you lying or just willfully ignorant?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I think item 2 proves my points about the impact of Obamacare. Thank you.CM189191 said:
In one 'whatabout' you managed to tell 4 falsehoods. Impressive.EdsonNascimento said:
So it didn’t take Billions of dollars away from Medicare benificiaries? Is that the assertion you’d like to go with?CM189191 said:
Oh great, another one of thoseEdsonNascimento said:
Sort of like Obama and the Democraps ramming through Obamacare that took Billions away from Medicare Beneficiaries AND increased costs of the healthcare system without letting anyone read the bill?CM189191 said:
Absolute power corrupts absolutelyGern Blansten said:I don't understand how repubs wouldn't flip based on Kavanaugh lying....he fucking lit up that hearing
"I reject reality and substitute it with my own opinion"
tRUmp supporters...
1) bill wasn't rammed thru - the ACA was debated in three House committees and two Senate committees, and subject to hours of bipartisan debate that allowed for the introduction of amendments
2) Obamacare cut $716 billion from Medicare in order to fund $1.9 trillion in new health care spending (I'll let you do the math on that one)
3) Health care costs are declining
4) the bill was read - In June and July 2009, with Democrats in charge, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over 13 days marking up the bill that became the Affordable Care Act. That September and October, the Senate Finance Committee worked on the legislation for eight days — its longest markup in two decades. It considered more than 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes. The full Senate debated the health care bill for 25 straight days before passing it on Dec. 24, 2009.
Also, you misspelled 'beneficiaries'. So are you lying or just willfully ignorant?Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
It doesn't prove any points on impact, yours or anyone else’s. Those are numbers without outcome measures attached. Care to provide any?EdsonNascimento said:
I think item 2 proves my points about the impact of Obamacare. Thank you.CM189191 said:
In one 'whatabout' you managed to tell 4 falsehoods. Impressive.EdsonNascimento said:
So it didn’t take Billions of dollars away from Medicare benificiaries? Is that the assertion you’d like to go with?CM189191 said:
Oh great, another one of thoseEdsonNascimento said:
Sort of like Obama and the Democraps ramming through Obamacare that took Billions away from Medicare Beneficiaries AND increased costs of the healthcare system without letting anyone read the bill?CM189191 said:
Absolute power corrupts absolutelyGern Blansten said:I don't understand how repubs wouldn't flip based on Kavanaugh lying....he fucking lit up that hearing
"I reject reality and substitute it with my own opinion"
tRUmp supporters...
1) bill wasn't rammed thru - the ACA was debated in three House committees and two Senate committees, and subject to hours of bipartisan debate that allowed for the introduction of amendments
2) Obamacare cut $716 billion from Medicare in order to fund $1.9 trillion in new health care spending (I'll let you do the math on that one)
3) Health care costs are declining
4) the bill was read - In June and July 2009, with Democrats in charge, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over 13 days marking up the bill that became the Affordable Care Act. That September and October, the Senate Finance Committee worked on the legislation for eight days — its longest markup in two decades. It considered more than 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes. The full Senate debated the health care bill for 25 straight days before passing it on Dec. 24, 2009.
Also, you misspelled 'beneficiaries'. So are you lying or just willfully ignorant
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EdsonNascimento said:
I think item 2 proves my points about the impact of Obamacare. Thank you.CM189191 said:
In one 'whatabout' you managed to tell 4 falsehoods. Impressive.EdsonNascimento said:
So it didn’t take Billions of dollars away from Medicare benificiaries? Is that the assertion you’d like to go with?CM189191 said:
Oh great, another one of thoseEdsonNascimento said:
Sort of like Obama and the Democraps ramming through Obamacare that took Billions away from Medicare Beneficiaries AND increased costs of the healthcare system without letting anyone read the bill?CM189191 said:
Absolute power corrupts absolutelyGern Blansten said:I don't understand how repubs wouldn't flip based on Kavanaugh lying....he fucking lit up that hearing
"I reject reality and substitute it with my own opinion"
tRUmp supporters...
1) bill wasn't rammed thru - the ACA was debated in three House committees and two Senate committees, and subject to hours of bipartisan debate that allowed for the introduction of amendments
2) Obamacare cut $716 billion from Medicare in order to fund $1.9 trillion in new health care spending (I'll let you do the math on that one)
3) Health care costs are declining
4) the bill was read - In June and July 2009, with Democrats in charge, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over 13 days marking up the bill that became the Affordable Care Act. That September and October, the Senate Finance Committee worked on the legislation for eight days — its longest markup in two decades. It considered more than 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes. The full Senate debated the health care bill for 25 straight days before passing it on Dec. 24, 2009.
Also, you misspelled 'beneficiaries'. So are you lying or just willfully ignorant?
Willfully ignorant it is then. Duly noted.0
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