Missoula Poster
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I never took you for a victim-blamerbrianlux said:
MAGA dues performs a flipping the bird at Ness protest at a Social D show and expected anything less? LOL. Not a swift move.darwinstheory said:
They just played Social Distortion. After hearing what Mike Ness just did...way worse than a poster.westbrook36 said:Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..0 -
And that's the issue with hate speech laws. If they were subject to interpretation by this administration or this DoJ and/or a state that Trump carried by 20 points, there would be something to sweat here.PJ_Soul said:
Banning HATE SPEECH is not wrong. Hate speech isn't protected, nor should it be. And sure, someone can argue that this poster is hate speech, but they'd be really really wrong, lol.BS44325 said:
Sorry. I agree with you on what Alex Jones is but I don't agree with you on the response. Banning speech is ALWAYS wrong. Even Noam Chomsky agrees. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech otherwise we go down a rabbit hole into chaos. Look how easily someone can argue the poster is "hate speech". It is ludicrous. This type of response must end.Vedd Hedd said:
Dont include Alex Jones in that group. Its one thing to ban people who say, "I dont like this person" or "I think these policies suck". Pearl jam, Kanye, Dixie Chicks voice their opinions. Just like Toby Keith, Ted Nugent, Roseanne, etc voice them on the right.BS44325 said:
Can I be the conservative who says that this would be so dumb. Just like it was so dumb for radio stations to ban the dixie chicks and/or Kanye. Just like it's so dumb to ban Alex Jones. Just like it's so dumb for social media to ban/shadow ban thought they don't like. Just like it's so dumb for protestors to shut down speaking events on college campuses. Enough with the suppression of speech!westbrook36 said:Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..
Alex Jones peddles lies that do actual harm to actual people. He is flat out making up conspiracy theories that are damaging people, and asking people to cause actual violence.0 -
I like the Missoula Poster.
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I don’t expect the band to change how they view things. I don’t want them to. Reactions come from both sides. both sides are guilty for stupid behavior. So here we are reading posts and commenting. Some immature, Angry, educational, and downright wrong. (From both sides) I hope at the shows we can get along and put the music first. Music is interpretation, we can make it our own. That’s the beautiful thing!Go Beavers said:
Being critical of trump isn’t divisive. The reaction from trump supporters, who are intolerant of any criticism of him, is what’s divisive. People expecting the band to change in order to protect their feelings are who you should be disappointed with.inhiding 1976 said:A little disappointed. The Band who “cares about there fans” should understand there is a lot of fans that don’t agree with them politically. Causing a divide between the fan base isn’t good. I love the music, the shows etc. going to Wrigley both nights. Hoping for good music and not a political lecture.
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All Speech is protected. You don't get to pick and choose. If you think you do then you are just as bad as the people who want to label this poster.PJ_Soul said:
Banning HATE SPEECH is not wrong. Hate speech isn't protected, nor should it be. And sure, someone can argue that this poster is hate speech, but they'd be really really wrong, lol.BS44325 said:
Sorry. I agree with you on what Alex Jones is but I don't agree with you on the response. Banning speech is ALWAYS wrong. Even Noam Chomsky agrees. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech otherwise we go down a rabbit hole into chaos. Look how easily someone can argue the poster is "hate speech". It is ludicrous. This type of response must end.Vedd Hedd said:
Dont include Alex Jones in that group. Its one thing to ban people who say, "I dont like this person" or "I think these policies suck". Pearl jam, Kanye, Dixie Chicks voice their opinions. Just like Toby Keith, Ted Nugent, Roseanne, etc voice them on the right.BS44325 said:
Can I be the conservative who says that this would be so dumb. Just like it was so dumb for radio stations to ban the dixie chicks and/or Kanye. Just like it's so dumb to ban Alex Jones. Just like it's so dumb for social media to ban/shadow ban thought they don't like. Just like it's so dumb for protestors to shut down speaking events on college campuses. Enough with the suppression of speech!westbrook36 said:Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..
Alex Jones peddles lies that do actual harm to actual people. He is flat out making up conspiracy theories that are damaging people, and asking people to cause actual violence.0 -
Sticking with the Kanye whataboutism thing, huh?BS44325 said:
Except Jeff took the opposite stance himself when it came to Kanye. Jeff expressed disappointment in Kanye and that it would change how he felt about his music going forward. Jeff didn't celebrate Kanye's ability to make people "think and feel".RP112579 said:Quote from Jeff in the Rolling Stone article:
“The role of artists is to make people think and feel, and the current administration has us thinking and feeling,” Ament tells Rolling Stone. “I was the sole conceptualist of this poster, and I welcome all interpretations and discourse. Love, from the First Amendment, Jeff Ament.”0 -
It's not protected from consequences.BS44325 said:
All Speech is protected. You don't get to pick and choose. If you think you do then you are just as bad as the people who want to label this poster.PJ_Soul said:
Banning HATE SPEECH is not wrong. Hate speech isn't protected, nor should it be. And sure, someone can argue that this poster is hate speech, but they'd be really really wrong, lol.BS44325 said:
Sorry. I agree with you on what Alex Jones is but I don't agree with you on the response. Banning speech is ALWAYS wrong. Even Noam Chomsky agrees. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech otherwise we go down a rabbit hole into chaos. Look how easily someone can argue the poster is "hate speech". It is ludicrous. This type of response must end.Vedd Hedd said:
Dont include Alex Jones in that group. Its one thing to ban people who say, "I dont like this person" or "I think these policies suck". Pearl jam, Kanye, Dixie Chicks voice their opinions. Just like Toby Keith, Ted Nugent, Roseanne, etc voice them on the right.BS44325 said:
Can I be the conservative who says that this would be so dumb. Just like it was so dumb for radio stations to ban the dixie chicks and/or Kanye. Just like it's so dumb to ban Alex Jones. Just like it's so dumb for social media to ban/shadow ban thought they don't like. Just like it's so dumb for protestors to shut down speaking events on college campuses. Enough with the suppression of speech!westbrook36 said:Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..
Alex Jones peddles lies that do actual harm to actual people. He is flat out making up conspiracy theories that are damaging people, and asking people to cause actual violence.6/29/98 Chicago-United Center
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@PJ_Soul likes to have her government sanctioned cake and eat it too...pjl44 said:
And that's the issue with hate speech laws. If they were subject to interpretation by this administration or this DoJ and/or a state that Trump carried by 20 points, there would be something to sweat here.PJ_Soul said:
Banning HATE SPEECH is not wrong. Hate speech isn't protected, nor should it be. And sure, someone can argue that this poster is hate speech, but they'd be really really wrong, lol.BS44325 said:
Sorry. I agree with you on what Alex Jones is but I don't agree with you on the response. Banning speech is ALWAYS wrong. Even Noam Chomsky agrees. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech otherwise we go down a rabbit hole into chaos. Look how easily someone can argue the poster is "hate speech". It is ludicrous. This type of response must end.Vedd Hedd said:
Dont include Alex Jones in that group. Its one thing to ban people who say, "I dont like this person" or "I think these policies suck". Pearl jam, Kanye, Dixie Chicks voice their opinions. Just like Toby Keith, Ted Nugent, Roseanne, etc voice them on the right.BS44325 said:
Can I be the conservative who says that this would be so dumb. Just like it was so dumb for radio stations to ban the dixie chicks and/or Kanye. Just like it's so dumb to ban Alex Jones. Just like it's so dumb for social media to ban/shadow ban thought they don't like. Just like it's so dumb for protestors to shut down speaking events on college campuses. Enough with the suppression of speech!westbrook36 said:Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..
Alex Jones peddles lies that do actual harm to actual people. He is flat out making up conspiracy theories that are damaging people, and asking people to cause actual violence.0 -
I read Jeff's statement entirely the other way. He seems to be welcoming people to take the position he took on Kanye. Welcoming "all interpretations and discourse."BS44325 said:
Except Jeff took the opposite stance himself when it came to Kanye. Jeff expressed disappointment in Kanye and that it would change how he felt about his music going forward. Jeff didn't celebrate Kanye's ability to make people "think and feel".RP112579 said:Quote from Jeff in the Rolling Stone article:
“The role of artists is to make people think and feel, and the current administration has us thinking and feeling,” Ament tells Rolling Stone. “I was the sole conceptualist of this poster, and I welcome all interpretations and discourse. Love, from the First Amendment, Jeff Ament.”0 -
No, all speech is not protected. It does depend on the country you're talking about, but it's simply false that all speech is protected. But no, I personally do not get to pick and choose - I never claimed that (because I'm not insane).BS44325 said:
All Speech is protected. You don't get to pick and choose. If you think you do then you are just as bad as the people who want to label this poster.PJ_Soul said:
Banning HATE SPEECH is not wrong. Hate speech isn't protected, nor should it be. And sure, someone can argue that this poster is hate speech, but they'd be really really wrong, lol.BS44325 said:
Sorry. I agree with you on what Alex Jones is but I don't agree with you on the response. Banning speech is ALWAYS wrong. Even Noam Chomsky agrees. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech otherwise we go down a rabbit hole into chaos. Look how easily someone can argue the poster is "hate speech". It is ludicrous. This type of response must end.Vedd Hedd said:
Dont include Alex Jones in that group. Its one thing to ban people who say, "I dont like this person" or "I think these policies suck". Pearl jam, Kanye, Dixie Chicks voice their opinions. Just like Toby Keith, Ted Nugent, Roseanne, etc voice them on the right.BS44325 said:
Can I be the conservative who says that this would be so dumb. Just like it was so dumb for radio stations to ban the dixie chicks and/or Kanye. Just like it's so dumb to ban Alex Jones. Just like it's so dumb for social media to ban/shadow ban thought they don't like. Just like it's so dumb for protestors to shut down speaking events on college campuses. Enough with the suppression of speech!westbrook36 said:Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..
Alex Jones peddles lies that do actual harm to actual people. He is flat out making up conspiracy theories that are damaging people, and asking people to cause actual violence.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
I disagree. Jeff could have said "I respect Kanye as an artist and while I disagree with him I support his right to speak and be thought provoking". He didn't do that. He said (paraphrase) "I loved Kanye but am disappointed in his thoughts and it changes how I feel about him. Also I don't understand Dragon Energy". Of course Jeff is entitled to say this but he shouldn't complain now that some are doing the same over this poster. Jeff didn't give Kanye the artistic support that he probably now desires.pjl44 said:
I read Jeff's statement entirely the other way. He seems to be welcoming people to take the position he took on Kanye. Welcoming "all interpretations and discourse."BS44325 said:
Except Jeff took the opposite stance himself when it came to Kanye. Jeff expressed disappointment in Kanye and that it would change how he felt about his music going forward. Jeff didn't celebrate Kanye's ability to make people "think and feel".RP112579 said:Quote from Jeff in the Rolling Stone article:
“The role of artists is to make people think and feel, and the current administration has us thinking and feeling,” Ament tells Rolling Stone. “I was the sole conceptualist of this poster, and I welcome all interpretations and discourse. Love, from the First Amendment, Jeff Ament.”0 -
That's idiotic.BS44325 said:
@PJ_Soul likes to have her government sanctioned cake and eat it too...pjl44 said:
And that's the issue with hate speech laws. If they were subject to interpretation by this administration or this DoJ and/or a state that Trump carried by 20 points, there would be something to sweat here.PJ_Soul said:
Banning HATE SPEECH is not wrong. Hate speech isn't protected, nor should it be. And sure, someone can argue that this poster is hate speech, but they'd be really really wrong, lol.BS44325 said:
Sorry. I agree with you on what Alex Jones is but I don't agree with you on the response. Banning speech is ALWAYS wrong. Even Noam Chomsky agrees. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech otherwise we go down a rabbit hole into chaos. Look how easily someone can argue the poster is "hate speech". It is ludicrous. This type of response must end.Vedd Hedd said:
Dont include Alex Jones in that group. Its one thing to ban people who say, "I dont like this person" or "I think these policies suck". Pearl jam, Kanye, Dixie Chicks voice their opinions. Just like Toby Keith, Ted Nugent, Roseanne, etc voice them on the right.BS44325 said:
Can I be the conservative who says that this would be so dumb. Just like it was so dumb for radio stations to ban the dixie chicks and/or Kanye. Just like it's so dumb to ban Alex Jones. Just like it's so dumb for social media to ban/shadow ban thought they don't like. Just like it's so dumb for protestors to shut down speaking events on college campuses. Enough with the suppression of speech!westbrook36 said:Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..
Alex Jones peddles lies that do actual harm to actual people. He is flat out making up conspiracy theories that are damaging people, and asking people to cause actual violence.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Completely agree. The consequence should not be a ban however. That is a consequence that will one day backfire on us all.RP112579 said:
It's not protected from consequences.BS44325 said:
All Speech is protected. You don't get to pick and choose. If you think you do then you are just as bad as the people who want to label this poster.PJ_Soul said:
Banning HATE SPEECH is not wrong. Hate speech isn't protected, nor should it be. And sure, someone can argue that this poster is hate speech, but they'd be really really wrong, lol.BS44325 said:
Sorry. I agree with you on what Alex Jones is but I don't agree with you on the response. Banning speech is ALWAYS wrong. Even Noam Chomsky agrees. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech otherwise we go down a rabbit hole into chaos. Look how easily someone can argue the poster is "hate speech". It is ludicrous. This type of response must end.Vedd Hedd said:
Dont include Alex Jones in that group. Its one thing to ban people who say, "I dont like this person" or "I think these policies suck". Pearl jam, Kanye, Dixie Chicks voice their opinions. Just like Toby Keith, Ted Nugent, Roseanne, etc voice them on the right.BS44325 said:
Can I be the conservative who says that this would be so dumb. Just like it was so dumb for radio stations to ban the dixie chicks and/or Kanye. Just like it's so dumb to ban Alex Jones. Just like it's so dumb for social media to ban/shadow ban thought they don't like. Just like it's so dumb for protestors to shut down speaking events on college campuses. Enough with the suppression of speech!westbrook36 said:Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..
Alex Jones peddles lies that do actual harm to actual people. He is flat out making up conspiracy theories that are damaging people, and asking people to cause actual violence.0 -
Nope. It's hilarious.PJ_Soul said:
That's idiotic.BS44325 said:
@PJ_Soul likes to have her government sanctioned cake and eat it too...pjl44 said:
And that's the issue with hate speech laws. If they were subject to interpretation by this administration or this DoJ and/or a state that Trump carried by 20 points, there would be something to sweat here.PJ_Soul said:
Banning HATE SPEECH is not wrong. Hate speech isn't protected, nor should it be. And sure, someone can argue that this poster is hate speech, but they'd be really really wrong, lol.BS44325 said:
Sorry. I agree with you on what Alex Jones is but I don't agree with you on the response. Banning speech is ALWAYS wrong. Even Noam Chomsky agrees. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech otherwise we go down a rabbit hole into chaos. Look how easily someone can argue the poster is "hate speech". It is ludicrous. This type of response must end.Vedd Hedd said:
Dont include Alex Jones in that group. Its one thing to ban people who say, "I dont like this person" or "I think these policies suck". Pearl jam, Kanye, Dixie Chicks voice their opinions. Just like Toby Keith, Ted Nugent, Roseanne, etc voice them on the right.BS44325 said:
Can I be the conservative who says that this would be so dumb. Just like it was so dumb for radio stations to ban the dixie chicks and/or Kanye. Just like it's so dumb to ban Alex Jones. Just like it's so dumb for social media to ban/shadow ban thought they don't like. Just like it's so dumb for protestors to shut down speaking events on college campuses. Enough with the suppression of speech!westbrook36 said:Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..
Alex Jones peddles lies that do actual harm to actual people. He is flat out making up conspiracy theories that are damaging people, and asking people to cause actual violence.0 -
What is hilarious about me pointing out that not all speech is protected? Please explain.BS44325 said:
Nope. It's hilarious.PJ_Soul said:
That's idiotic.BS44325 said:
@PJ_Soul likes to have her government sanctioned cake and eat it too...pjl44 said:
And that's the issue with hate speech laws. If they were subject to interpretation by this administration or this DoJ and/or a state that Trump carried by 20 points, there would be something to sweat here.PJ_Soul said:
Banning HATE SPEECH is not wrong. Hate speech isn't protected, nor should it be. And sure, someone can argue that this poster is hate speech, but they'd be really really wrong, lol.BS44325 said:
Sorry. I agree with you on what Alex Jones is but I don't agree with you on the response. Banning speech is ALWAYS wrong. Even Noam Chomsky agrees. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech otherwise we go down a rabbit hole into chaos. Look how easily someone can argue the poster is "hate speech". It is ludicrous. This type of response must end.Vedd Hedd said:
Dont include Alex Jones in that group. Its one thing to ban people who say, "I dont like this person" or "I think these policies suck". Pearl jam, Kanye, Dixie Chicks voice their opinions. Just like Toby Keith, Ted Nugent, Roseanne, etc voice them on the right.BS44325 said:
Can I be the conservative who says that this would be so dumb. Just like it was so dumb for radio stations to ban the dixie chicks and/or Kanye. Just like it's so dumb to ban Alex Jones. Just like it's so dumb for social media to ban/shadow ban thought they don't like. Just like it's so dumb for protestors to shut down speaking events on college campuses. Enough with the suppression of speech!westbrook36 said:Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..
Alex Jones peddles lies that do actual harm to actual people. He is flat out making up conspiracy theories that are damaging people, and asking people to cause actual violence.
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I'm pretty sure we're talking about the US and I'm so sorry but you do want to pick and choose. You want to elect people who will ban the speech you disagree with.PJ_Soul said:
No, all speech is not protected. It does depend on the country you're talking about, but it's simply false that all speech is protected. But no, I personally do not get to pick and choose - I never claimed that (because I'm not insane).BS44325 said:
All Speech is protected. You don't get to pick and choose. If you think you do then you are just as bad as the people who want to label this poster.PJ_Soul said:
Banning HATE SPEECH is not wrong. Hate speech isn't protected, nor should it be. And sure, someone can argue that this poster is hate speech, but they'd be really really wrong, lol.BS44325 said:
Sorry. I agree with you on what Alex Jones is but I don't agree with you on the response. Banning speech is ALWAYS wrong. Even Noam Chomsky agrees. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech otherwise we go down a rabbit hole into chaos. Look how easily someone can argue the poster is "hate speech". It is ludicrous. This type of response must end.Vedd Hedd said:
Dont include Alex Jones in that group. Its one thing to ban people who say, "I dont like this person" or "I think these policies suck". Pearl jam, Kanye, Dixie Chicks voice their opinions. Just like Toby Keith, Ted Nugent, Roseanne, etc voice them on the right.BS44325 said:
Can I be the conservative who says that this would be so dumb. Just like it was so dumb for radio stations to ban the dixie chicks and/or Kanye. Just like it's so dumb to ban Alex Jones. Just like it's so dumb for social media to ban/shadow ban thought they don't like. Just like it's so dumb for protestors to shut down speaking events on college campuses. Enough with the suppression of speech!westbrook36 said:Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..
Alex Jones peddles lies that do actual harm to actual people. He is flat out making up conspiracy theories that are damaging people, and asking people to cause actual violence.0 -
I don't see Jeff looking for support anywhere in that statement. He's standing by the work and inviting people to react however they choose.BS44325 said:
I disagree. Jeff could have said "I respect Kanye as an artist and while I disagree with him I support his right to speak and be thought provoking". He didn't do that. He said (paraphrase) "I loved Kanye but am disappointed in his thoughts and it changes how I feel about him. Also I don't understand Dragon Energy". Of course Jeff is entitled to say this but he shouldn't complain now that some are doing the same over this poster. Jeff didn't give Kanye the artistic support that he probably now desires.pjl44 said:
I read Jeff's statement entirely the other way. He seems to be welcoming people to take the position he took on Kanye. Welcoming "all interpretations and discourse."BS44325 said:
Except Jeff took the opposite stance himself when it came to Kanye. Jeff expressed disappointment in Kanye and that it would change how he felt about his music going forward. Jeff didn't celebrate Kanye's ability to make people "think and feel".RP112579 said:Quote from Jeff in the Rolling Stone article:
“The role of artists is to make people think and feel, and the current administration has us thinking and feeling,” Ament tells Rolling Stone. “I was the sole conceptualist of this poster, and I welcome all interpretations and discourse. Love, from the First Amendment, Jeff Ament.”0 -
What people running for office want to ban certain speech?BS44325 said:
I'm pretty sure we're talking about the US and I'm so sorry but you do want to pick and choose. You want to elect people who will ban the speech you disagree with.PJ_Soul said:
No, all speech is not protected. It does depend on the country you're talking about, but it's simply false that all speech is protected. But no, I personally do not get to pick and choose - I never claimed that (because I'm not insane).BS44325 said:
All Speech is protected. You don't get to pick and choose. If you think you do then you are just as bad as the people who want to label this poster.PJ_Soul said:
Banning HATE SPEECH is not wrong. Hate speech isn't protected, nor should it be. And sure, someone can argue that this poster is hate speech, but they'd be really really wrong, lol.BS44325 said:
Sorry. I agree with you on what Alex Jones is but I don't agree with you on the response. Banning speech is ALWAYS wrong. Even Noam Chomsky agrees. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech otherwise we go down a rabbit hole into chaos. Look how easily someone can argue the poster is "hate speech". It is ludicrous. This type of response must end.Vedd Hedd said:
Dont include Alex Jones in that group. Its one thing to ban people who say, "I dont like this person" or "I think these policies suck". Pearl jam, Kanye, Dixie Chicks voice their opinions. Just like Toby Keith, Ted Nugent, Roseanne, etc voice them on the right.BS44325 said:
Can I be the conservative who says that this would be so dumb. Just like it was so dumb for radio stations to ban the dixie chicks and/or Kanye. Just like it's so dumb to ban Alex Jones. Just like it's so dumb for social media to ban/shadow ban thought they don't like. Just like it's so dumb for protestors to shut down speaking events on college campuses. Enough with the suppression of speech!westbrook36 said:Rumors are SiriusXM may cancel PJ radio over backlash from Missoula poster..
Alex Jones peddles lies that do actual harm to actual people. He is flat out making up conspiracy theories that are damaging people, and asking people to cause actual violence.
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