Should white people be able to appropriate black hairstyles (afro, braids, dreadlocks)

Spiritual_Chaos

unsung said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Go Beavers said:

Annafalk said:

Why can't it be seen as a celebration to other cultures ? You celebrate something you like by having things from other cultures. It's a sign of appreciation not something that should be taken negative.
I would only feel proud other likes it too.

Because historically white people haven’t celebrated other cultures but instead destroyed them. Look at a lot of white people’s current attitudes toward diversity for present day feelings if you din’t like mucking around in the past. 

And so the blaming and guilt must carry on to a new generation of white people not remotely responsible for the sins of the past?

Yes, otherwise you are a racist.  If you defend yourself you are a racist.  If you don’t want to be minimized you are a white supremacist.  Is that how it goes halifax?

*Those rules apply only if you are white.  Black/brown/purple/yellow pride all good.  White is bad*

If you made something of yourself it isn’t because of sacrifice and hard work, it is because of privilege.  Same rule applies as above.

Go Beavers

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Go Beavers said:

Annafalk said:

Why can't it be seen as a celebration to other cultures ? You celebrate something you like by having things from other cultures. It's a sign of appreciation not something that should be taken negative.
I would only feel proud other likes it too.

Because historically white people haven’t celebrated other cultures but instead destroyed them. Look at a lot of white people’s current attitudes toward diversity for present day feelings if you din’t like mucking around in the past. 

And so the blaming and guilt must carry on to a new generation of white people not remotely responsible for the sins of the past?

I didn’t say anything about blame and guilt. I’m talking about history as well as minorities dealing with racism in the present. Most white people have the luxury of going about their day and can decide if they want to think about these things or not. I’m saying it helps for whites to work to understand minirities reactions to these things. 

unsung

Yes

Spiritual_Chaos said:

unsung said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Go Beavers said:

Annafalk said:

Why can't it be seen as a celebration to other cultures ? You celebrate something you like by having things from other cultures. It's a sign of appreciation not something that should be taken negative.
I would only feel proud other likes it too.

Because historically white people haven’t celebrated other cultures but instead destroyed them. Look at a lot of white people’s current attitudes toward diversity for present day feelings if you din’t like mucking around in the past. 

And so the blaming and guilt must carry on to a new generation of white people not remotely responsible for the sins of the past?

Yes, otherwise you are a racist.  If you defend yourself you are a racist.  If you don’t want to be minimized you are a white supremacist.  Is that how it goes halifax?

*Those rules apply only if you are white.  Black/brown/purple/yellow pride all good.  White is bad*

If you made something of yourself it isn’t because of sacrifice and hard work, it is because of privilege.  Same rule applies as above.

LOL, Michael Moore.  Use Bozo the Clown next time for a more credible opinion.

Go Beavers

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Go Beavers said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

I don't know why this has got me so worked up to the point I feel like I am going to have a panic attack and to the point I could not focus in class today.
One of these girls walked into my class today (and that guy whose head she bit off yesterday). Gosh she looks like she has a chip on her shoulder.
She kept looking over at me. Must have been my Mitchell & Ness beanie I had on. How dare I appropriate a beanie worn predominantly by African Americans. How racist and hypocritical of me.
The tutor asked the class if anyone can give an example of cultural globalisation and I answered that people around the world adopt fashions from other cultures hoping it would lead to the dreadlocks debate again but it didn't.

I don't understand why I as a white guy cannot wear dreadlocks if I have never been racist towards a black person in my life, WTF!
It's like reverse racism, generalising the racism of a group of white people towards all white people.
GRRRRR!
What if I am a big fan of Bob Marley and want to wear dreadlocks in homage to him?

Who said white guys can’t have dreads? What you’re hearing is people’s reaction to white guys having dreads. If you want us to all get along, then dialogue with a black person about it or read what they have written about it. 

Did you even read my first post in this thread?

My comment was about our internal amt group discussion. Rather than talk with the hot teacher, it might be better to talk with the ones who have issue with it. After you’re not as agitated. 

Meltdown99

Yes

brianlux said:

riotgrl said:

oftenreading said:

riotgrl said:

cincybearcat said:

Kinda interesting article....but it seems to say if you are white you cannot wear your hair in cornrows because police kill blacks, companies didn't make products for black for a long time, magazine sell "white beauty", etc.

While all of that is true, I still don't see how a white person's choice in hairstyle plays into that at all.  It's pointing out all the real reasons the black community is upset and then using them as an excuse to be upset over hair.  That's what it seems like to me.  

But thank you for posting, was good to read.





Valid point.  Maybe they feel that cultural appropriation is where they're power lies therefore that is something they can control.  Would be a great conversation to have.

Sorry I was having problems with quote feature!

The one thing that unites us in AMT - problems with the quote feature. 

And I just realized that apparently I don't know the difference between their, there, and they're!

Just use "thar", it covers all bases. 

thar you go ... yup it works.

Meltdown99

Yes

brianlux said:

The article linked below makes some sensible points.  This one stood out:

Historians and anthropologists have found evidence of the 'do in ancient Egypt, Germanic tribes, Vikings, Pacific Islanders, early Christians, the Aborigines and the New Guineans as well as the Somali, the Galla, the Maasai, the Ashanti and the Fulani tribes of Africa.

As University of Richmond professor Bert Ashe writes in "Twisted: My Dreadlock Chronicles," the better question is, "Who hasn't worn dreadlocks at one time or another?"

and

"...My research informed me that Indian monks wore them long before they reached the Western Hemisphere, so I'm not sure anyone has any particular claim."

So Thoughts, next time someone claims you are culturally appropriating blacks you can honestly say to them, "So I guess you also think I'm culturally appropriating  Indian monks, Egyptians, people of Germanic tribes, Vikings, Pacific Islanders, early Christians, Aborigines and the New Guineans as well as the Somali, the Galla, the Maasai, the Ashanti and the Fulani tribes of Africa?"  That should cool their heels for a while!

https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/31/living/white-dreadlocks-cultural-appropriation-feat/index.html

So we don't have start a claim with UN on who has rights to the dreadlock?  

even flow - question mark

And black women are supposed to have straight hair? Am I missing the point of this whole thread!!!

PJ_Soul

Yes

unsung said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

unsung said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Go Beavers said:

Annafalk said:

Why can't it be seen as a celebration to other cultures ? You celebrate something you like by having things from other cultures. It's a sign of appreciation not something that should be taken negative.
I would only feel proud other likes it too.

Because historically white people haven’t celebrated other cultures but instead destroyed them. Look at a lot of white people’s current attitudes toward diversity for present day feelings if you din’t like mucking around in the past. 

And so the blaming and guilt must carry on to a new generation of white people not remotely responsible for the sins of the past?

Yes, otherwise you are a racist.  If you defend yourself you are a racist.  If you don’t want to be minimized you are a white supremacist.  Is that how it goes halifax?

*Those rules apply only if you are white.  Black/brown/purple/yellow pride all good.  White is bad*

If you made something of yourself it isn’t because of sacrifice and hard work, it is because of privilege.  Same rule applies as above.

LOL, Michael Moore.  Use Bozo the Clown next time for a more credible opinion.

It doesn't matter who said that.
"Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to hate. Trump knew that part of the equation really well." A truer statement could not be said. It's fact, not opinion. Bozo the Clown would be just as correct if he'd been the one to say it.

Annafalk

It's like a pendulum sometimes it swings over too much on one side and sometimes too much on the other side. It needs to have balance. 

Annafalk

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

unsung said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Go Beavers said:

Annafalk said:

Why can't it be seen as a celebration to other cultures ? You celebrate something you like by having things from other cultures. It's a sign of appreciation not something that should be taken negative.
I would only feel proud other likes it too.

Because historically white people haven’t celebrated other cultures but instead destroyed them. Look at a lot of white people’s current attitudes toward diversity for present day feelings if you din’t like mucking around in the past. 

And so the blaming and guilt must carry on to a new generation of white people not remotely responsible for the sins of the past?

Yes, otherwise you are a racist.  If you defend yourself you are a racist.  If you don’t want to be minimized you are a white supremacist.  Is that how it goes halifax?

*Those rules apply only if you are white.  Black/brown/purple/yellow pride all good.  White is bad*

If you made something of yourself it isn’t because of sacrifice and hard work, it is because of privilege.  Same rule applies as above.

LOL, Michael Moore.  Use Bozo the Clown next time for a more credible opinion.

It doesn't matter who said that.
"Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to hate. Trump knew that part of the equation really well." A truer statement could not be said. It's fact, not opinion. Bozo the Clown would be just as correct if he'd been the one to say it.

Does ignorance really lead to fear? It doesn't sound right in my ears but I'm probably wrong.

PJ_Soul

Yes

Annafalk said:

It's like a pendulum sometimes it swings over too much on one side and sometimes too much on the other side. It needs to have balance. 

I totally agree with the pendulum metaphor. I said the same thing to a friend of mine who had a day where he was particularly doom and gloomy about Trump and all that shit that goes along with him. The problem is, how do we slow the pendulum after it's seemed to have picked up steam??

jeffbr

Yes

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

It's like a pendulum sometimes it swings over too much on one side and sometimes too much on the other side. It needs to have balance. 

I totally agree with the pendulum metaphor. I said the same thing to a friend of mine who had a day where he was particularly doom and gloomy about Trump and all that shit that goes along with him. The problem is, how do we slow the pendulum after it's seemed to have picked up steam??

We can't do anything about the executive branch at this point. But the legislative branch is supposed to be a check on the executive branch, and they've been derelict in their duty there. So the way we (in the US) can help slow the pendulum is to quit sending any more trumphumpers to DC. The 2018 election matters. Reject incumbents who have enabled tRUmp's bullshit. Reject candidates who have pledged to support tRUmp's agenda, or who have received endorsements from tRUmp. Elect legislators who will represent and fight for their constituents rather than carry water for Cheetolini. 

Annafalk

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

It's like a pendulum sometimes it swings over too much on one side and sometimes too much on the other side. It needs to have balance. 

I totally agree with the pendulum metaphor. I said the same thing to a friend of mine who had a day where he was particularly doom and gloomy about Trump and all that shit that goes along with him. The problem is, how do we slow the pendulum after it's seemed to have picked up steam??

I'm not sure, maybe people need to meet and socialize more. We need good leaders that shows us the right way. Right kind of social structure a good society that makes people grow. Good education systems  Most importantly is that people have an occupation. Where I work we have people from all over the world both as workers and patients and we are a very well functioning team.

PJ_Soul

Yes

Annafalk said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

unsung said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Go Beavers said:

Annafalk said:

Why can't it be seen as a celebration to other cultures ? You celebrate something you like by having things from other cultures. It's a sign of appreciation not something that should be taken negative.
I would only feel proud other likes it too.

Because historically white people haven’t celebrated other cultures but instead destroyed them. Look at a lot of white people’s current attitudes toward diversity for present day feelings if you din’t like mucking around in the past. 

And so the blaming and guilt must carry on to a new generation of white people not remotely responsible for the sins of the past?

Yes, otherwise you are a racist.  If you defend yourself you are a racist.  If you don’t want to be minimized you are a white supremacist.  Is that how it goes halifax?

*Those rules apply only if you are white.  Black/brown/purple/yellow pride all good.  White is bad*

If you made something of yourself it isn’t because of sacrifice and hard work, it is because of privilege.  Same rule applies as above.

LOL, Michael Moore.  Use Bozo the Clown next time for a more credible opinion.

It doesn't matter who said that.
"Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to hate. Trump knew that part of the equation really well." A truer statement could not be said. It's fact, not opinion. Bozo the Clown would be just as correct if he'd been the one to say it.

Does ignorance really lead to fear? It doesn't sound right in my ears but I'm probably wrong.

Yes, I would say that history and present day tells us that it most definitely does.

Annafalk

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

unsung said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Go Beavers said:

Annafalk said:

Why can't it be seen as a celebration to other cultures ? You celebrate something you like by having things from other cultures. It's a sign of appreciation not something that should be taken negative.
I would only feel proud other likes it too.

Because historically white people haven’t celebrated other cultures but instead destroyed them. Look at a lot of white people’s current attitudes toward diversity for present day feelings if you din’t like mucking around in the past. 

And so the blaming and guilt must carry on to a new generation of white people not remotely responsible for the sins of the past?

Yes, otherwise you are a racist.  If you defend yourself you are a racist.  If you don’t want to be minimized you are a white supremacist.  Is that how it goes halifax?

*Those rules apply only if you are white.  Black/brown/purple/yellow pride all good.  White is bad*

If you made something of yourself it isn’t because of sacrifice and hard work, it is because of privilege.  Same rule applies as above.

LOL, Michael Moore.  Use Bozo the Clown next time for a more credible opinion.

It doesn't matter who said that.
"Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to hate. Trump knew that part of the equation really well." A truer statement could not be said. It's fact, not opinion. Bozo the Clown would be just as correct if he'd been the one to say it.

Does ignorance really lead to fear? It doesn't sound right in my ears but I'm probably wrong.

Yes, I would say that history and present day tells us that it most definitely does.

Yes, I guess if someone is ignorant and is making up their "own truth" maybe it can be a "bad truth" if it's hurting people in any way.

lastexitlondon

Yes

You can be learned and scared . You can be educated and be in fear.

Go Beavers

lastexitlondon said:

You can be learned and scared . You can be educated and be in fear.

True. I’ve seen well educated people operate this way. In general they tend to reject what they were taught by holding on to myths and outdated values. They also reject data and facts because they emphasize their own experience and personal observation and weigh it much more heavily over factual information. 

PJ_Soul

Yes

lastexitlondon said:

You can be learned and scared . You can be educated and be in fear.

And you can be educated and ignorant. There are plenty of well-educated racists and xenophobes out there. And I believe that all racists and xenophobes are ignorant in that context, which leads to their fear.

Meltdown99

Yes

As a male who shaves his head, I'd love to have the option of dreadlocks...

brianlux

Yes

unsung said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

unsung said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Go Beavers said:

Annafalk said:

Why can't it be seen as a celebration to other cultures ? You celebrate something you like by having things from other cultures. It's a sign of appreciation not something that should be taken negative.
I would only feel proud other likes it too.

Because historically white people haven’t celebrated other cultures but instead destroyed them. Look at a lot of white people’s current attitudes toward diversity for present day feelings if you din’t like mucking around in the past. 

And so the blaming and guilt must carry on to a new generation of white people not remotely responsible for the sins of the past?

Yes, otherwise you are a racist.  If you defend yourself you are a racist.  If you don’t want to be minimized you are a white supremacist.  Is that how it goes halifax?

*Those rules apply only if you are white.  Black/brown/purple/yellow pride all good.  White is bad*

If you made something of yourself it isn’t because of sacrifice and hard work, it is because of privilege.  Same rule applies as above.

LOL, Michael Moore.  Use Bozo the Clown next time for a more credible opinion.

I don't get the hate for Michael Moore.  Moore warned us- he predicted Trump would get elected.  So who are the bozos?