*** London, UK Fanviews Here 7/17/18 ***

jrd

Olivavu said:

jrd said:

kevtic said:

I don't know why they take them off you in the first place. 

Not sure why this annoys me so much but it really does.

I asked why at the first London show and was told "It's because we need to count them" which sounds like bullsh*t to me, as if they're going to count them all while the show's going on and then hand them out afterwards.

I asked again last night and was told "because it's policy" which means nothing and I'd like to know WHY this is the 'policy'.

Doesn't every ticket have a bar code which they scan so tickets can't be re-used? So you automatically count them via the scanning process and surely that's done anyway!? Saw Paul Simon at Hyde Park last Sunday; same process there of bag check, body scanner, then ticket scan and... you just keep the whole ticket.

Might just email the O2 to see if I can get some sort of explanation. Or I might not because it's probably their policy not to discuss policies...

Anyway, brilliant show, enjoyed it immensely. Sorry to hear about the trouble further forward but had no problems where we were, Mike's side but a few rows in front of the sound desk so well back from the idiots by the sound of it.

Totally forgot to get a ticket at the end so if anyone has a spare...

I think they take them off the GA so that they can't be given to people in seats to try and get down and in that way, but they're scanned so you'd think not based on that.

I always make sure I find someone to grab one after - and I always get them to give me a 10c stub as well.

OK, so I emailed the O2 to ask if they could send me a ticket if they had any left and got a reply back a few mins later from 'Shanice' who said "I have popped a ticket in the post for you", which is nice.

I also asked why they take the tickets off you in the first place and she said

It is venue policy to swap tickets for wristbands to prevent loss of tickets
and as a result, no entry to the standing floor. Standing customers are also
allowed on to the level one concourse to purchase food and drink so having
an easily detectable wristband helps staff members who are manning that
entry point provide a swift in and out operation stopping those who may be
seated on level one from accessing the standing floor.

So that's the reason.
But why can't I get a wristband AND keep my ticket, assuming that once it's been scanned it can't be used again by anyone else to try and get on to the floor...?

Bella

lastexitlondon said:

Again I agree . Dance . Sing . Jump  clap all normal responses to.pearl jam. Not being a violent shit gibbon x100

That’s what Pearl Jam fans want to do. Have a spot with like minded fans. We were behind the band in Kraków and had a good view of GA. There was one group who continually bounced around, no matter what the song was, clearly looking to start a mosh pit. 

lastexitlondon

I've been lucky over the years I've never really had a complaint  so this is out of the norm for me. Over the years of queing/not gueing. Standing 8 rows back . Or rail I've met most and love most of the regular 10c euro show goers . And all are like minded on this
 Protection from shot gibbons  is what we all would like. As mentioned we wait in line as long as we can or wish to get a spot to sing and dance That s what we do  at gig isn't it?

RC74272

jrd said:

Olivavu said:

jrd said:

kevtic said:

I don't know why they take them off you in the first place. 

Not sure why this annoys me so much but it really does.

I asked why at the first London show and was told "It's because we need to count them" which sounds like bullsh*t to me, as if they're going to count them all while the show's going on and then hand them out afterwards.

I asked again last night and was told "because it's policy" which means nothing and I'd like to know WHY this is the 'policy'.

Doesn't every ticket have a bar code which they scan so tickets can't be re-used? So you automatically count them via the scanning process and surely that's done anyway!? Saw Paul Simon at Hyde Park last Sunday; same process there of bag check, body scanner, then ticket scan and... you just keep the whole ticket.

Might just email the O2 to see if I can get some sort of explanation. Or I might not because it's probably their policy not to discuss policies...

Anyway, brilliant show, enjoyed it immensely. Sorry to hear about the trouble further forward but had no problems where we were, Mike's side but a few rows in front of the sound desk so well back from the idiots by the sound of it.

Totally forgot to get a ticket at the end so if anyone has a spare...

I think they take them off the GA so that they can't be given to people in seats to try and get down and in that way, but they're scanned so you'd think not based on that.

I always make sure I find someone to grab one after - and I always get them to give me a 10c stub as well.

OK, so I emailed the O2 to ask if they could send me a ticket if they had any left and got a reply back a few mins later from 'Shanice' who said "I have popped a ticket in the post for you", which is nice.

I also asked why they take the tickets off you in the first place and she said

It is venue policy to swap tickets for wristbands to prevent loss of tickets
and as a result, no entry to the standing floor. Standing customers are also
allowed on to the level one concourse to purchase food and drink so having
an easily detectable wristband helps staff members who are manning that
entry point provide a swift in and out operation stopping those who may be
seated on level one from accessing the standing floor.

So that's the reason.
But why can't I get a wristband AND keep my ticket, assuming that once it's been scanned it can't be used again by anyone else to try and get on to the floor...?

The ticket is only scanned on entry to the venue not he internal doors 

someone could come down from the nosebleed seats, grab a ticket stub lost on the floor outside the GA doors and use that to “upgrade” to standing

safety concerns being what they are the venue is limiting those “upgrading” as described

Spiritual_Chaos

RC74272 said:

jrd said:

Olivavu said:

jrd said:

kevtic said:

I don't know why they take them off you in the first place. 

Not sure why this annoys me so much but it really does.

I asked why at the first London show and was told "It's because we need to count them" which sounds like bullsh*t to me, as if they're going to count them all while the show's going on and then hand them out afterwards.

I asked again last night and was told "because it's policy" which means nothing and I'd like to know WHY this is the 'policy'.

Doesn't every ticket have a bar code which they scan so tickets can't be re-used? So you automatically count them via the scanning process and surely that's done anyway!? Saw Paul Simon at Hyde Park last Sunday; same process there of bag check, body scanner, then ticket scan and... you just keep the whole ticket.

Might just email the O2 to see if I can get some sort of explanation. Or I might not because it's probably their policy not to discuss policies...

Anyway, brilliant show, enjoyed it immensely. Sorry to hear about the trouble further forward but had no problems where we were, Mike's side but a few rows in front of the sound desk so well back from the idiots by the sound of it.

Totally forgot to get a ticket at the end so if anyone has a spare...

I think they take them off the GA so that they can't be given to people in seats to try and get down and in that way, but they're scanned so you'd think not based on that.

I always make sure I find someone to grab one after - and I always get them to give me a 10c stub as well.

OK, so I emailed the O2 to ask if they could send me a ticket if they had any left and got a reply back a few mins later from 'Shanice' who said "I have popped a ticket in the post for you", which is nice.

I also asked why they take the tickets off you in the first place and she said

It is venue policy to swap tickets for wristbands to prevent loss of tickets
and as a result, no entry to the standing floor. Standing customers are also
allowed on to the level one concourse to purchase food and drink so having
an easily detectable wristband helps staff members who are manning that
entry point provide a swift in and out operation stopping those who may be
seated on level one from accessing the standing floor.

So that's the reason.
But why can't I get a wristband AND keep my ticket, assuming that once it's been scanned it can't be used again by anyone else to try and get on to the floor...?

The ticket is only scanned on entry to the venue not he internal doors 

someone could come down from the nosebleed seats, grab a ticket stub lost on the floor outside the GA doors and use that to “upgrade” to standing

safety concerns being what they are the venue is limiting those “upgrading” as described

Doesn't sound like a very common problem.

gettingright

I’m going to chime in one more time. Previously I said I thought security did their best but hearing about the rough handling of the family, I’ll take that back; didn’t seem at all necessary to be so violent to those folks. I saw them get pulled which looked rough but like they were trying to help, but did not witness what followed next.

lastly, I do think there can be a lot of elitism from some fans, and I also get people are going to, and should rock out the show, but a lot of what went on was tantamount to assault, which goes with out saying is not okay. 

I ran ran into another attendant on the way back to the states and she said from her spot in the lower bowl on Mike’s side that she was certain people had to be getting hurt by how rough it looked. She said guys would slam into people creating causing dominos. 

The sectioned GA in Padova was perfect. It was sometimes rowdy and a bit rough (for my wife), but was never out of hand. after the first set we moved to the back (she said she fine staying close but I knew she just wanted me to have the best experience, but as I wanted the same for her, I said, “let’s move back”), and had tons of room, a gentle breeze, and still a great view. 

I’ve gone through all my pics and video clips and this show and setlist are probably the best of my 22 shows; however, with crowd experience a part of the overall equation, it probably falls somewhere in the middle. I think a lot of potential memories are clouded by clamping on the rail, one arm on each side of the woman in front of me on the rail, so as not to be crushed into her, which took a hell of a lot of physical strength and mental concentration. 

That said, the most prominent memories are still of the show itself, but I think fewer than I would normally have. 

Love to everyone!

RC74272

Spiritual_Chaos said:

RC74272 said:

jrd said:

Olivavu said:

jrd said:

kevtic said:

I don't know why they take them off you in the first place. 

Not sure why this annoys me so much but it really does.

I asked why at the first London show and was told "It's because we need to count them" which sounds like bullsh*t to me, as if they're going to count them all while the show's going on and then hand them out afterwards.

I asked again last night and was told "because it's policy" which means nothing and I'd like to know WHY this is the 'policy'.

Doesn't every ticket have a bar code which they scan so tickets can't be re-used? So you automatically count them via the scanning process and surely that's done anyway!? Saw Paul Simon at Hyde Park last Sunday; same process there of bag check, body scanner, then ticket scan and... you just keep the whole ticket.

Might just email the O2 to see if I can get some sort of explanation. Or I might not because it's probably their policy not to discuss policies...

Anyway, brilliant show, enjoyed it immensely. Sorry to hear about the trouble further forward but had no problems where we were, Mike's side but a few rows in front of the sound desk so well back from the idiots by the sound of it.

Totally forgot to get a ticket at the end so if anyone has a spare...

I think they take them off the GA so that they can't be given to people in seats to try and get down and in that way, but they're scanned so you'd think not based on that.

I always make sure I find someone to grab one after - and I always get them to give me a 10c stub as well.

OK, so I emailed the O2 to ask if they could send me a ticket if they had any left and got a reply back a few mins later from 'Shanice' who said "I have popped a ticket in the post for you", which is nice.

I also asked why they take the tickets off you in the first place and she said

It is venue policy to swap tickets for wristbands to prevent loss of tickets
and as a result, no entry to the standing floor. Standing customers are also
allowed on to the level one concourse to purchase food and drink so having
an easily detectable wristband helps staff members who are manning that
entry point provide a swift in and out operation stopping those who may be
seated on level one from accessing the standing floor.

So that's the reason.
But why can't I get a wristband AND keep my ticket, assuming that once it's been scanned it can't be used again by anyone else to try and get on to the floor...?

The ticket is only scanned on entry to the venue not he internal doors 

someone could come down from the nosebleed seats, grab a ticket stub lost on the floor outside the GA doors and use that to “upgrade” to standing

safety concerns being what they are the venue is limiting those “upgrading” as described

Doesn't sound like a very common problem

The venue wont take any chances of getting sued for negligence if there is any crowd safety issue because of over crowding in the standing areas

and it does happen - i have been at shepherds bush empire for lots of gigs where the level 1 door security take their leave mid gig and suddenly that level then gets overcrowded presumably with punters from levels 2 and 3 upgrading

js261067

lastexitlondon said:

js261067 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

MR26603 said:

lastexitlondon said:

Terrible  crowd and terrible venue security 

For me the crowd was amazing in every way.

How can one say that the crowd was amazing when Eddie himself had to ask to the crowd to take three steps back...

he did that last time at the O2 and at Milton Keynes.  The crowd are at a rock concert,  not fucking church.

You are pissing me off with this church bollocks. Let's see when it's you or your family. All well and good being a hard man on the computer  and at a gig when you don't care about anyone around you drunk and stupid.  Just respectfully understand  the point being made by people who had an experience different to yours.

I think you fail to appreciate the full picture as your perception is blurred by your own bad experience and your own preconceived ideas.

I was seated BECAUSE I know that standing at  a rock concert can be a physical experience.  All the 10c members who have been to shows with better behaved fans etc,  need only to watch ANY festival coverage on TV to see how a UK crowd will behave at a rock concert.  It's not an inherent PJ thing,  or dickhead thing it's just how it goes down.

So,  you may not like it,  but it was quite obvious it was going to happen.  Weren't you at o2 last time?  or MK?  I wouldn't take my family into a GA area of ANY gig,  because of the drunken idiots.  But at least I'd have had the foresight to have seen it would be an issue.

I'm not digging at you or anyone on here,  but a lot of people won't give a shit how many gigs you've seen and just want to go mental to heavy songs.

Mike

lastexitlondon

js261067 said:

lastexitlondon said:

js261067 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

MR26603 said:

lastexitlondon said:

Terrible  crowd and terrible venue security 

For me the crowd was amazing in every way.

How can one say that the crowd was amazing when Eddie himself had to ask to the crowd to take three steps back...

he did that last time at the O2 and at Milton Keynes.  The crowd are at a rock concert,  not fucking church.

You are pissing me off with this church bollocks. Let's see when it's you or your family. All well and good being a hard man on the computer  and at a gig when you don't care about anyone around you drunk and stupid.  Just respectfully understand  the point being made by people who had an experience different to yours.

I think you fail to appreciate the full picture as your perception is blurred by your own bad experience and your own preconceived ideas.

I was seated BECAUSE I know that standing at  a rock concert can be a physical experience.  All the 10c members who have been to shows with better behaved fans etc,  need only to watch ANY festival coverage on TV to see how a UK crowd will behave at a rock concert.  It's not an inherent PJ thing,  or dickhead thing it's just how it goes down.

So,  you may not like it,  but it was quite obvious it was going to happen.  Weren't you at o2 last time?  or MK?  I wouldn't take my family into a GA area of ANY gig,  because of the drunken idiots.  But at least I'd have had the foresight to have seen it would be an issue.

I'm not digging at you or anyone on here,  but a lot of people won't give a shit how many gigs you've seen and just want to go mental to heavy songs.

Mike

Yep I was at all of those  . G.A. and it's not about how many shows . It's what I'm saying . It's not people going mental. Forget it . You are not ĺistening.

lastexitlondon

lastexitlondon said:

js261067 said:

lastexitlondon said:

js261067 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

MR26603 said:

lastexitlondon said:

Terrible  crowd and terrible venue security 

For me the crowd was amazing in every way.

How can one say that the crowd was amazing when Eddie himself had to ask to the crowd to take three steps back...

he did that last time at the O2 and at Milton Keynes.  The crowd are at a rock concert,  not fucking church.

You are pissing me off with this church bollocks. Let's see when it's you or your family. All well and good being a hard man on the computer  and at a gig when you don't care about anyone around you drunk and stupid.  Just respectfully understand  the point being made by people who had an experience different to yours.

I think you fail to appreciate the full picture as your perception is blurred by your own bad experience and your own preconceived ideas.

I was seated BECAUSE I know that standing at  a rock concert can be a physical experience.  All the 10c members who have been to shows with better behaved fans etc,  need only to watch ANY festival coverage on TV to see how a UK crowd will behave at a rock concert.  It's not an inherent PJ thing,  or dickhead thing it's just how it goes down.

So,  you may not like it,  but it was quite obvious it was going to happen.  Weren't you at o2 last time?  or MK?  I wouldn't take my family into a GA area of ANY gig,  because of the drunken idiots.  But at least I'd have had the foresight to have seen it would be an issue.

I'm not digging at you or anyone on here,  but a lot of people won't give a shit how many gigs you've seen and just want to go mental to heavy songs.

Mike

Yep I was at all of those  . G.A.

And why can t my partner go in G .A or my daughter she is 17 and taller than lots of men and women in there.  Your view is odd if anything

js261067

lastexitlondon said:

js261067 said:

lastexitlondon said:

js261067 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

MR26603 said:

lastexitlondon said:

Terrible  crowd and terrible venue security 

For me the crowd was amazing in every way.

How can one say that the crowd was amazing when Eddie himself had to ask to the crowd to take three steps back...

he did that last time at the O2 and at Milton Keynes.  The crowd are at a rock concert,  not fucking church.

You are pissing me off with this church bollocks. Let's see when it's you or your family. All well and good being a hard man on the computer  and at a gig when you don't care about anyone around you drunk and stupid.  Just respectfully understand  the point being made by people who had an experience different to yours.

I think you fail to appreciate the full picture as your perception is blurred by your own bad experience and your own preconceived ideas.

I was seated BECAUSE I know that standing at  a rock concert can be a physical experience.  All the 10c members who have been to shows with better behaved fans etc,  need only to watch ANY festival coverage on TV to see how a UK crowd will behave at a rock concert.  It's not an inherent PJ thing,  or dickhead thing it's just how it goes down.

So,  you may not like it,  but it was quite obvious it was going to happen.  Weren't you at o2 last time?  or MK?  I wouldn't take my family into a GA area of ANY gig,  because of the drunken idiots.  But at least I'd have had the foresight to have seen it would be an issue.

I'm not digging at you or anyone on here,  but a lot of people won't give a shit how many gigs you've seen and just want to go mental to heavy songs.

Mike

Yep I was at all of those  . G.A. and it's not about how many shows . It's what I'm saying . It's not people going mental. Forget it . You are not ĺistening.

And at all 3 he asked the crowd to move backwards.  And people on here have commented at how bad those crowds were.

So,  why expect any different.  Just because we all love PJ and respect the band and crowd in equal measure,  doesn't mean other people will or to some extend "should".  If the norm at gigs is to push to the front,  barge,  crash and smash around,  those people wouldn't expect to act in any other way.  Hence my church comment.  We all stand in reverence,  they are just at "another gig"

Mike

lastexitlondon

gettingright said:

I’m going to chime in one more time. Previously I said I thought security did their best but hearing about the rough handling of the family, I’ll take that back; didn’t seem at all necessary to be so violent to those folks. I saw them get pulled which looked rough but like they were trying to help, but did not witness what followed next.

lastly, I do think there can be a lot of elitism from some fans, and I also get people are going to, and should rock out the show, but a lot of what went on was tantamount to assault, which goes with out saying is not okay. 

I ran ran into another attendant on the way back to the states and she said from her spot in the lower bowl on Mike’s side that she was certain people had to be getting hurt by how rough it looked. She said guys would slam into people creating causing dominos. 

The sectioned GA in Padova was perfect. It was sometimes rowdy and a bit rough (for my wife), but was never out of hand. after the first set we moved to the back (she said she fine staying close but I knew she just wanted me to have the best experience, but as I wanted the same for her, I said, “let’s move back”), and had tons of room, a gentle breeze, and still a great view. 

I’ve gone through all my pics and video clips and this show and setlist are probably the best of my 22 shows; however, with crowd experience a part of the overall equation, it probably falls somewhere in the middle. I think a lot of potential memories are clouded by clamping on the rail, one arm on each side of the woman in front of me on the rail, so as not to be crushed into her, which took a hell of a lot of physical strength and mental concentration. 

That said, the most prominent memories are still of the show itself, but I think fewer than I would normally have. 

Love to everyone!

Great post and exactly  what I was meaning 

wndowpayne

https://www.loudersound.com/features/inside-pearl-jams-astonishing-end-of-tour-blow-out   Already posted but great piece

Magic_J

wndowpayne said:

https://www.loudersound.com/features/inside-pearl-jams-astonishing-end-of-tour-blow-out   Already posted but great piece

Yup, pretty much sums up how I feel about the gig, and PJ in general

Tristelune

rw160510 said:

Had an absolute blast. This was my 12th show and It was a really good mix of hits and rarer choices. Never thought I'd catch Satan's Bed live, Mankind was good fun. I'd like to say a massive thank you to Jeremie @Tristelune for up grading my ticket, it was great to meet you and I hope we can catch up at another show in the future. From where we were sat the floor looked awesome but it was very obvious that Ed was concerned about the people up front, rightly so. Anyway, thanks to the band for playing the make up show so soon and making it such a fantastic experience.

@rw160510 It’s been a pleasure to meet you Rick, really made my day and I’m looking forward to meeting you again at another PJ show so we can continue to chat and share great moments. I feel sorry for those who had tough times in GA, while the 3 steps back made it obvious that something wasn’t right, it was definitely worse than I could imagine. The concert itself was outstanding, different mood than night 1 (great singing crowd here in june) but man almost 3 hours, fatal being played along with so many deep cuts and I couldn’t believe they got back after YLD for All along the watchtower, that was just awesome. I also loved hearing Green disease after the AMS attempt. Someone said the setlist made him think about Live at the garden, I really share this point of view. Wish the O2 had the same acoustic than the Ziggo dome though but I split hairs..

PeArLgOoNeR

I've you've put in the hours to get real close, adjusted your drinking routines so you won't have to go piss during the show, brought loved ones that you want to share an experience of a lifetime with.. Just to get it ruined within the first 30 minutes by drunken bafoons, who most likely won't even remember the show the next day..
That's just not ok at all..! 

Think of the effort PJ puts into a show like this to make it special.. And all it takes are a bunch of careless drunks to ruin it for so many.. So sad

cutz

jrd said:

Olivavu said:

jrd said:

kevtic said:

I don't know why they take them off you in the first place. 

Not sure why this annoys me so much but it really does.

I asked why at the first London show and was told "It's because we need to count them" which sounds like bullsh*t to me, as if they're going to count them all while the show's going on and then hand them out afterwards.

I asked again last night and was told "because it's policy" which means nothing and I'd like to know WHY this is the 'policy'.

Doesn't every ticket have a bar code which they scan so tickets can't be re-used? So you automatically count them via the scanning process and surely that's done anyway!? Saw Paul Simon at Hyde Park last Sunday; same process there of bag check, body scanner, then ticket scan and... you just keep the whole ticket.

Might just email the O2 to see if I can get some sort of explanation. Or I might not because it's probably their policy not to discuss policies...

Anyway, brilliant show, enjoyed it immensely. Sorry to hear about the trouble further forward but had no problems where we were, Mike's side but a few rows in front of the sound desk so well back from the idiots by the sound of it.

Totally forgot to get a ticket at the end so if anyone has a spare...

I think they take them off the GA so that they can't be given to people in seats to try and get down and in that way, but they're scanned so you'd think not based on that.

I always make sure I find someone to grab one after - and I always get them to give me a 10c stub as well.

OK, so I emailed the O2 to ask if they could send me a ticket if they had any left and got a reply back a few mins later from 'Shanice' who said "I have popped a ticket in the post for you", which is nice.

I also asked why they take the tickets off you in the first place and she said

It is venue policy to swap tickets for wristbands to prevent loss of tickets
and as a result, no entry to the standing floor. Standing customers are also
allowed on to the level one concourse to purchase food and drink so having
an easily detectable wristband helps staff members who are manning that
entry point provide a swift in and out operation stopping those who may be
seated on level one from accessing the standing floor.

So that's the reason.
But why can't I get a wristband AND keep my ticket, assuming that once it's been scanned it can't be used again by anyone else to try and get on to the floor...?

That's what i was thinking when i was reading the response. "Wristband should be good enough and everyone should be able to keep ther tickets." Pretty simple to me.

SUCKS what some of you had to go through because of some drunken idiots in the crowd. I wasn't ther,but that set list looks like a GREAT one to me.

I wasn't GA in Berlin but ther were lots of moshing in the pit, but it was a "controlled" moshing.(If that makes sense). 

Olivavu

We were walking out after Yellow Ledbetter before they came back on to play Watchtower. 

I saw a guy jump over the barrier from his seat and on to the standing floor.

Three security guards grabbed him and made him go up the steps back to the seats.

I thought that was a bit mean given that the place has half full at that point and they weren’t going to keep playing after that song.

TC95917

TC95917