Add Merch Bundle option when buying tickets - BEAT THE FLIPPERS!

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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,853
    pdalowsky said:
    As soon as you flood the market, demand disappears. The desire to have what everyone else has doesnt exist in the collecting world. The 2009 experiment didnt work out well. Santos has, quite rightly, referenced this a few times on facebook recently. 

    I see the point of this thread, and i see the logic totally, it just doesnt work in this market. Pearl Jam have a merch appetite in the fanbase that I believe is unrivaled across the industry. Other bands would love to be able to replicate it, but its been built over many many years and at this point must be a key money earner in the days when the actual music no longer pays. Changing the model now could see them shoot themselves in the foot so to speak. 
    This is accurate.

    This micro-economy is fueled by speculating and scarcity.  Without that, it crumbles.  The micro-economy is good for the band, their employees, artists, and others the band chooses to do business with.

    You cant just make things to-order.  Then nobody would want them.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,469
    edited July 2018
    pjsteelerfan said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pdalowsky said:
     The 2009 experiment didnt work out well. Santos has, quite rightly, referenced this a few times on facebook recently. 
    What didn't work out?
    Not every poster was an all time classic. Example- EMEK Rome appears to be the hot poster this year. When pre-ordering, everyone wanted an EMEK Rome. Everyone expected an EMEK Rome.  And when that did not happen in 2009, it did not go over well. And the 10c voiced their opinions about that. See the English poster I posted above.  The board would explode with anger if a couple thousand people pre-ordered that  unseen. 

    Sure there are a few of us that want a poster for every show we attend, but not everyone. 
    This sounds fabricated, or exaggerated. 

    Looked through the thread you linked - didn't see what "did not go over well". People were just talking about recieving posters or waiting for posters to arrive: http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/109745/poster-presale/p9

    People get disappointed when their shows have a poster they do not like (or relieved), people would get disappointed if the poster they preorder wasn't to their liking. Ofc. But please point me to all these rabid fans that made this an impossible thing to continue?
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,118
    How about a tour with no merch and no posters.  Then there is nothing to worry about except enjoying the show!
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,218
    Get_Right said:
    How about a tour with no merch and no posters.  Then there is nothing to worry about except enjoying the show!
    But then pj would have to tour more often to make up the money lost on no merch. 
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,853
    Get_Right said:
    How about a tour with no merch and no posters.  Then there is nothing to worry about except enjoying the show!
    That is personal choice, and one I made a few years ago and it has been liberating.  
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,469
    MayDay10 said:
    Get_Right said:
    How about a tour with no merch and no posters.  Then there is nothing to worry about except enjoying the show!
    That is personal choice, and one I made a few years ago and it has been liberating.  
    My entire clothing strategy, is to get my tshirts from tours and never having to walk into an H&M.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • drakeheuer14
    drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,619
    MayDay10 said:
    pdalowsky said:
    As soon as you flood the market, demand disappears. The desire to have what everyone else has doesnt exist in the collecting world. The 2009 experiment didnt work out well. Santos has, quite rightly, referenced this a few times on facebook recently. 

    I see the point of this thread, and i see the logic totally, it just doesnt work in this market. Pearl Jam have a merch appetite in the fanbase that I believe is unrivaled across the industry. Other bands would love to be able to replicate it, but its been built over many many years and at this point must be a key money earner in the days when the actual music no longer pays. Changing the model now could see them shoot themselves in the foot so to speak. 
    This is accurate.

    This micro-economy is fueled by speculating and scarcity.  Without that, it crumbles.  The micro-economy is good for the band, their employees, artists, and others the band chooses to do business with.

    You cant just make things to-order.  Then nobody would want them.
    Less sales for some, more for others. They would still sell. I think it would even out. I think more than half the people that get them (either directly or aftermarket) do it because they attended. 
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  • crookedcross
    crookedcross Right Near Da Beach, Boiii Posts: 1,545
    With this option, you beat the flippers, but you beat your self up too as a business.  It will work for a year, maybe even a few shows, then people will realize $35 is too much for a piece of paper that everybody (in other words, poor investment) has and will stop buying them.  "When there is supply, there is no demand".

  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pdalowsky said:
     The 2009 experiment didnt work out well. Santos has, quite rightly, referenced this a few times on facebook recently. 
    What didn't work out?
    Not every poster was an all time classic. Example- EMEK Rome appears to be the hot poster this year. When pre-ordering, everyone wanted an EMEK Rome. Everyone expected an EMEK Rome.  And when that did not happen in 2009, it did not go over well. And the 10c voiced their opinions about that. See the English poster I posted above.  The board would explode with anger if a couple thousand people pre-ordered that  unseen. 

    Sure there are a few of us that want a poster for every show we attend, but not everyone. 
    This sounds fabricated, or exaggerated. 

    Looked through the thread you linked - didn't see what "did not go over well". People were just talking about recieving posters or waiting for posters to arrive: http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/109745/poster-presale/p9

    People get disappointed when their shows have a poster they do not like (or relieved), people would get disappointed if the poster they preorder wasn't to their liking. Ofc. But please point me to all these rabid fans that made this an impossible thing to continue?
    I did not link a thread. No idea where you go that from, it was not me.  Maybe you were not a member in 2009. Funny that you think I would make that up, but you can choose to believe what you want.  I am going off my memory from the excitement from when the announced it. And the disappointment when people were not overall thrilled with every release.  
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,853
    I dont remember a huge backlash, but it was almost 10 years ago.

    I would think logistics and labor was probably a bit of a pain for 10c
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,469
    edited July 2018
    pjsteelerfan said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pdalowsky said:
     The 2009 experiment didnt work out well. Santos has, quite rightly, referenced this a few times on facebook recently. 
    What didn't work out?
    Not every poster was an all time classic. Example- EMEK Rome appears to be the hot poster this year. When pre-ordering, everyone wanted an EMEK Rome. Everyone expected an EMEK Rome.  And when that did not happen in 2009, it did not go over well. And the 10c voiced their opinions about that. See the English poster I posted above.  The board would explode with anger if a couple thousand people pre-ordered that  unseen. 

    Sure there are a few of us that want a poster for every show we attend, but not everyone. 
    This sounds fabricated, or exaggerated. 

    Looked through the thread you linked - didn't see what "did not go over well". People were just talking about recieving posters or waiting for posters to arrive: http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/109745/poster-presale/p9

    People get disappointed when their shows have a poster they do not like (or relieved), people would get disappointed if the poster they preorder wasn't to their liking. Ofc. But please point me to all these rabid fans that made this an impossible thing to continue?
    I did not link a thread. No idea where you go that from, it was not me.  Maybe you were not a member in 2009. Funny that you think I would make that up, but you can choose to believe what you want.  I am going off my memory from the excitement from when the announced it. And the disappointment when people were not overall thrilled with every release.  
    Ah, ok. Sorry. Mixed up.

    I was a member. Don't remember that kind of uproar.

    I would love to delve into that disappointment. People get disappointed about merch every tour. I would like to see if the rage was so damn crazy that it meant they absolutely had to shut it down. Forever. And that it was a better choice then keep it and the benefits it give fans. 

    Didn't see anything pointing to that in the link, that wasn't given by you.

    To me it sounds exaggerated. But who knows - I guess PJ fans are unpredictable.  
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • RS65573
    RS65573 Posts: 2,499
    I personally thought it was awesome. The Spectrum shows were a treat. I played corn hole and drank and it was grand.

    However, the posters are now worth nothing, which kind of sucks. Also is a not so good poster set IMO.
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,214
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjsteelerfan said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pdalowsky said:
     The 2009 experiment didnt work out well. Santos has, quite rightly, referenced this a few times on facebook recently. 
    What didn't work out?
    Not every poster was an all time classic. Example- EMEK Rome appears to be the hot poster this year. When pre-ordering, everyone wanted an EMEK Rome. Everyone expected an EMEK Rome.  And when that did not happen in 2009, it did not go over well. And the 10c voiced their opinions about that. See the English poster I posted above.  The board would explode with anger if a couple thousand people pre-ordered that  unseen. 

    Sure there are a few of us that want a poster for every show we attend, but not everyone. 
    This sounds fabricated, or exaggerated. 

    Looked through the thread you linked - didn't see what "did not go over well". People were just talking about recieving posters or waiting for posters to arrive: http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/109745/poster-presale/p9

    People get disappointed when their shows have a poster they do not like (or relieved), people would get disappointed if the poster they preorder wasn't to their liking. Ofc. But please point me to all these rabid fans that made this an impossible thing to continue?
    Not frabricated at all. It came straight from santos recently. It didnt work well for them, and I presume that means there was less deman than normal. What they currently do is working very well for them, demand is increasing due to the scarcity, and that means there is a good income. IMO it would be foolish to scupper their current position by removing the limited angle

    This btw hurts me as much as anyone, as I dont have a grand for a rome poster either. But that said, it doesnt mean I dont get it and understand why it is like it is. Makes a whole lot of sense
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,469
    crookedcross said:
    With this option, you beat the flippers, but you beat your self up too as a business.  It will work for a year, maybe even a few shows, then people will realize $35 is too much for a piece of paper that everybody (in other words, poor investment) has and will stop buying them.  "When there is supply, there is no demand".

    If no one preorders. Then we are back at square one. So I don't see the problem. 

    Not like the vaults go down in price on Ebay because you can pre-order one.

    Let fans with tickets pre-order if they like. Then sell the amount you like/can get sold at the show like today. Don't see what differ all that much.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • RS65573
    RS65573 Posts: 2,499
    There is also the issue, if you dont get me to the merch stand for the poster and create this chaos, EVERYONE buys less everything. I didnt even hit a merch stand in Phily 09 until the 31st for that cool Blue tee shirt.
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,214
    CopperTom said:
    What difference does it make to the 10C if the second hand market demand plunges?  They sure won't lose money on this.  Fans who wouldn't typically wait in line might buy with a preorder.  First hand demand would increase.
    Well, in simple terms if you remove the limited nature of an item your demand in the future plunges. It is not just in this game, but in Vinyl Pops, Disney pieces, rare trading cards, numbered record sets, in fact pretty much anything that is deemed a collectible
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,214
    I think its safe to say that having been in the business some 27 years now, and having built up one hell of a brand the band knows what they are doing and how to do well. They are a shining example of a success story and I take my hat off to them. Seeing Springsteen in 2016 I was amazed that there wasnt a single soul at a merch desk on the way in.........
  • kce8
    kce8 Posts: 1,636
    I think a lot of people would have bought a lot of stuff if there were not these long lines for merchandise. 
    People chose to let it go to enjoy cities instead. 
  • drakeheuer14
    drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,619
    The stories of 600 posters total for some shows seems ridiculously low though if they are true. There is no reason the SE shouldn’t be in the 1500-2000 range each show. Especially if you want the limit to be at 2 
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  • pashapasaman
    pashapasaman Posts: 499
    This demand supply thing is stupid
    im not aksing to provide like 15.000 poster per gig
    but the fact that they only provide 600 poster is a joke
    maybe if they increase to about 3000-4000 per gig this problem will be sorted

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